Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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He's also got a really damning review
and just look at the categories he does. The side by side of "genuine reconstruction surgery" and "butchery" is almost fucking nauseating. He even does the most asinine vain shit like "back dimple surgery". I'm surprised he isn't in the SRS bracket yet, he does literally everything else.
Not performing SRS itself is a genius-level move.

Sure, gender-affirming is the Wild West: everyone has their own technique, of COURSE you're an expert at it already and don't need to improve, it's OK to keep it secret from other surgeons, difficult to get someone to revise a groin they didn't personally fillet. But even a butcher-level SRS is so involved; you've got so many structures and vessels to deal with, rerouting the urethra alone... And then post-op there's the extended healing in the warm and moist crotch of an unstable person who was already mentally unbalanced.

Who needs to deal with all that? Instead, he just sticks to cosmetic procedures with less-complicated healing and less OR time, and the troons still beat a path to his door.
 
Since we have MTFs considering fucking with their shoulder bones, have there been any FTMs that have opted for that insane leg-breaking surgery from years back that was meant to make you taller? Hoping the fact I’ve never heard about any is a good sign (:_(

As you mentioned, it's possible to increase or decrease height - generally via leg lengthening / reduction surgery. But it's really amusing to me to see biology come into play on this topic... you would think FTMs (as manlets) would be the most interested in this, right? But no. From some casual searching of FTM and MTF subreddits, it's clear that the women are more sensible while the men are dumb risk-takers. They just can't escape their innate biology. :lol:
  • The women (FTMs) just cope with being manlets. They commonly suggest practicing better posture and using shoe inserts or platform shoes. I've seen surgery brought up a few times, but they always try to discourage the OP. I haven't found any FTMs who claim to have actually had it done.
  • The men (MTFs) seem much more willing to chase the dragon to the ends of the earth. Getting various implants, shaving down bones, pursuing weird and experimental surgeries... All sorts of lunacy to try and pass better. To be fair, height reduction surgery is still very niche among MTFs, but some of them do indeed get it done.

Just as an overview, leg lengthening surgery isn't super uncommon. There's demand from enough (natal) manlets that a few surgeons actually specialize in it. Leg shortening is very uncommon (pretty much only MTFs want it) and not really advertised, but apparently these same surgeons can often be convinced to do it. Results vary a lot, but it seems like you can increase your height by up to 10 cm (4 inches) or decrease it by 5-6 cm (2 inches).

Here's an informative reddit thread on height reduction: https://www.removeddit.com/r/Transg...moral_shortening_or_height_reduction_surgery/
Hey y'all,

So this is an esoteric one, but I'm the kind of person who did shoulder reduction already, so boney surgeries don't scare me that much.

I've been looking into this [height reduction surgery] for a while now, mostly inspired by height dysphoria. I'm 5'11, which look isn't that tall, but it's still tall enough that it makes me feel unpleasant, clunky, and large, especially since I date men.

I've found a few surgeons that offer this. A lot of them don't really talk about it on their website, because I guess the demand is much less than limb lengthening. Which makes sense, because the only people who would do cosmetic surgery to become shorter would be trans women after all.

In particular, it's a fairly quick operation, but may or may not have a long recovery time. I've contacted a few surgeons, and I'm going to be seeing Dr. Kevin Debiparshad sometime early next year (probably January) in Las Vegas, NV to talk to him about it.

Some important deets:

- Out of the four limb lengthening surgeons I've talked to, three of them are fine doing it, and have previously done it in the past (Rozbruch, Debiparshad, Betz). One of them refused (Mahboubian).

- The consensus seems for femoral shortening without more extreme methods (aka inverse limb lengthening, which Rozbruch mentioned) is you can get about 6 cm max (2.36 inches). My assumption is more could potentially be done with tibial shortening, but I'm not particularly interested in doing more than that for myself anyway.

- Current cost estimates are around $30,000-40,000 for the procedure, similar to Leif Rogers' shoulder reduction (Eppley is cheaper). Though in this case all of them are limb lengthening orthopedic surgeons, so I do feel better that they probably know about bones better than Rogers or Eppley do. Rozbruch is kind of an outlier, because he quoted $125,000 which is the same price as his lengthening.

- Rozbruch so far on the high end, has quoted up to 4 inches height reduction via femoral shortening, through a kind of inverse limb lengthening with an intramedullary nail. Did not inquire further, because I'm not interested in that much reduction.

- This may fuck up your proportions, similar to height lengthening. You don't want your legs to end up super short compared to your torso, or your arms super long, so I think for people in the normal-ish male height range, you probably don't wanna do more than 2-3 inches anyway.

- I can't really speak to the safety yet, since this is preliminary investigation. That being said, when this is done for non-cosmetic reasons, the results tend to be good. A few months later almost all muscular strength is recovered. I've done clavicular reduction, and my shoulder is mostly fine now 5 months later (exception being winged scapula, but I'm seeing an orthopedist tomorrow about that lol).

Thought this might be of interest to some people!

Lastly, quoted prices so far, compared to amount shortened:

Betz (Germany, EU)​
30,000 euros​
~6cm (2.36 inches)​
Rozbruch (New York, US)​
$125,000​
4 inches (with nail technique, long recovery) [10cm], 2 inches (no nail, shorter recovery) [5cm]​
Debiparshad (Nevada, US)​
$30-40,000 (exact price not known yet)​
~6cm (2.36 inches)​

Some surgeons who do both height increasing & decreasing surgeries:
Although again, they don't openly advertise leg shortening.

 
The only difference between this guy and Mengela is that Mengela didn't make have a mansion in france and Mengela would kill transvestite on site.
mengele was less of a retard because he did human surgical experiments in a context where he could have reasonably expected to get away with it. This doctor is not only doing an inordinate amount of bone reshaping for cosmetic purposes, but doing so almost exclusively on mentally ill males. Malpractice can sink everything you worked for in the current system so its a dumb gamble, but its a super dumb gamble in a country with:
1. no system in place for dealing with the mentally ill (nothing replaced the mental institutions of the past)
2. strong 2nd amendment rights
3. many frequent mass casualty events for inspiration

all these factors combined lead me to believe this doctor is just barely smart enough to have become a doctor at all. Luck may have played a large role.
 
As you mentioned, it's possible to increase or decrease height - generally via leg lengthening / reduction surgery. But it's really amusing to me to see biology come into play on this topic... you would think FTMs (as manlets) would be the most interested in this, right? But no. From some casual searching of FTM and MTF subreddits, it's clear that the women are more sensible while the men are dumb risk-takers. They just can't escape their innate biology. :lol:
  • The women (FTMs) just cope with being manlets. They commonly suggest practicing better posture and using shoe inserts or platform shoes. I've seen surgery brought up a few times, but they always try to discourage the OP. I haven't found any FTMs who claim to have actually had it done.
  • The men (MTFs) seem much more willing to chase the dragon to the ends of the earth. Getting various implants, shaving down bones, pursuing weird and experimental surgeries... All sorts of lunacy to try and pass better. To be fair, height reduction surgery is still very niche among MTFs, but some of them do indeed get it done.

Just as an overview, leg lengthening surgery isn't super uncommon. There's demand from enough (natal) manlets that a few surgeons actually specialize in it. Leg shortening is very uncommon (pretty much only MTFs want it) and not really advertised, but apparently these same surgeons can often be convinced to do it. Results vary a lot, but it seems like you can increase your height by up to 10 cm (4 inches) or decrease it by 5-6 cm (2 inches).

Here's an informative reddit thread on height reduction: https://www.removeddit.com/r/Transg...moral_shortening_or_height_reduction_surgery/


Some surgeons who do both height increasing & decreasing surgeries:
Although again, they don't openly advertise leg shortening.

Just imagine going through all of that risk, pain, recovery, and lifelong aches for two inches. I wonder if they would then wear heels, like the MTF who cut their dicks off and then have sex with a strap-on.
 
Perfect timing. Some troon obsessed with lessening his "dysphoria" made a thread to ask about all these niche/experimental surgeries:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende...7ox/questions_about_nontraditional_surgeries/ [archive]
Hi,

I am a trans woman (mtf). I am aware of all of the treatment options that medical doctors are currently willing to prescribe; I have been on hormone replacement therapy for six years (plus an additional year on puberty blockers). I have removed most facial hair with laser hair removal and hope to eventually remove the remainder (along with all body hair) with electrolysis. I have repeatedly attempted to obtain sex reassignment surgery although have failed so far due to a wide array of personality flaws and mental health problems, as well as circumstances; I still hope to obtain that in the future, along with facial feminisation surgery.

These treatments however are not enough. Although I'm generally considered to have been a good candidate for medical transition and seem to pass well, I have not experienced a significant reduction in sex dysphoria. Partly this is due to my failure to obtain sex reassignment surgery (which is the single most important thing in my life) but these various personal failings and tendencies also prevented me from starting hormone therapy as an adolescent, when it would have been more efficacious. As a result I continue to have and potentially will always have severe dysphoria concerning the following:

  • height (particularly waist-to-shoulder height);
  • shoulder width;
  • ribcage width (i.e. across the torso) and depth (i.e. from front to back);
  • hand and foot size;
  • head circumference (of which relative eye size is also a factor);
  • pelvis shape;
  • pelvis width;
  • size of leg and arm bones more generally;
  • joint, ligament and tendon flexibility;
  • inability to reproduce or to produce endogenous hormones in the manner typical of a cisgender woman
(An additional complicating issue regarding sex reassignment surgery is the inability of a neovagina to function exactly like the cisgender female vagina, which is a muscular organ rather than an epithelial construction, but the dysphoria relief caused by removal of male organs will likely make that issue less relevant. It is not likely that I will ever have any sexual partners, or otherwise have reason to be concerned with the internal appearance and function of my own genitals.)

There is some information online about various osteotomic (i.e. surgical) solutions to these problems, some of which is here at this forum, but most of that information elsewhere on the internet consists of either paid promotions from various cosmetic surgery providers, or dire warnings to avoid such surgeries, almost all of which come from people who do not experience sex dysphoria or have any comprehension of it whatsoever. So these are my questions. What options are available, and what surgeons offer them, and what are the costs and recovery times like, for the following:

  • height reduction surgeries that focus on the spine (eg removing/fusing vertebrae) and ribcage, as opposed to leg shortening surgeries;
  • shoulder width reduction surgeries that can remove 2-3 inches of bone;
  • surgeries to narrow the top of the ribcage, both in width and in depth;
  • surgeries to reduce the width and/or length of the foot;
  • surgeries to reduce the circumference of the head by at least 1-2 inches;
  • any surgical options that may exist to reshape the male pelvis into something resembling a female one as closely as possible (I am not interested in any soft tissue surgeries that simply disguise the shape of the pelvis);
  • any surgical options that may exist to make arm and leg bones smaller in circumference, size and weight;
  • any potential options (orthopaedic, arthroplastic or otherwise) to achieve the joint flexibility typical of a cisgender woman
Finally:

  • does anyone know anything concrete about any research, experimentation, or planned future research, etc, on the following topics: allowing transgender women to produce ova or transgender men to produce sperm; the viability of creating gametes from stem cells; the viability of growing sex organs (e.g. a vagina, penis, ovaries or testes) with stem cells or through other means, and which can then be implanted; any work that may have been done on genetics that may have a positive impact for adult transgender people; any other theoretical experimental treatments being researched that can allow transgender people to develop bodies more similar to those of cisgender people, or alternately, to cure sex dysphoria and allow people to feel that their bodies belong to them
Thank you and I apologise for the length of this post. I have tried to phrase things in relatively neutral language; although I'm aware that terms such as male and female are not 100% accurate from a biological perspective, they are at least a useful and easily comprehended shorthand. The term sex dysphoria indicates proprioceptive dissociation from one's sexed body including (but not limited to) sensations of "phantom genitals", a "phantom body map" incongruent with the actual body, sexual anhedonia/anorgasmia, and the sense of one's body being foreign, alien or deformed due to development of normal sex characteristics for one's assigned sex. I am not aware of any medical research on this condition specifically.

The neuroticism on display is actually really interesting, IMO. This guy is seriously asking about surgeries for his spine, ribcage, pelvis, limbs, and more.
The commenters mostly try to talk him down. Dr. Barry Eppley gets a couple mentions though - he's apparently at the forefront of many of these experimental surgeries.
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mengele was less of a retard because he did human surgical experiments in a context where he could have reasonably expected to get away with it. This doctor is not only doing an inordinate amount of bone reshaping for cosmetic purposes, but doing so almost exclusively on mentally ill males. Malpractice can sink everything you worked for in the current system so its a dumb gamble, but its a super dumb gamble in a country with:
1. no system in place for dealing with the mentally ill (nothing replaced the mental institutions of the past)
2. strong 2nd amendment rights
3. many frequent mass casualty events for inspiration

all these factors combined lead me to believe this doctor is just barely smart enough to have become a doctor at all. Luck may have played a large role.
If it hasn’t happened yet, I think any individual doctor is pretty safe from having to worry about crazy ex-patients literally gunning them down. It’s no different from Mengele, because they have every reason to believe that under the current system, they are completely insulated from any harm that they do, because Big Troon has a vested agenda in hiding these clear malpractice cases.
 
"Flexibility is not a skill that can be acquired in adulthood" lmao what
...said by a lazy-ass motherfucker or grifter peddling their house of horrors.

bitch, I actually started doing daily stretches and exercise WELL into adulthood and got to be about as limber, if not even moreso in a few categories, as my teenage computer game obsessed self. and don't even get me started on mental flexibilty, if that's being implied there.

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Wow, just wow. This dude is mentally ill. More than likely he will find someone that will mutilate him. How can anyone operate on someone this ill?
how can they (by which I mean soulless sociopaths) not? all they need to do is convert them to their side, and they'll be willing to even defend, nevermind not even think of prosecuting, whatever mutilator does this shit even as they slowly die from their handiwork. the only one that might get in the way are any family or friends they might have that won't be under that spell, but oh yeah - remember to destroy the nuclear family unit!!!
 
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If it hasn’t happened yet, I think any individual doctor is pretty safe from having to worry about crazy ex-patients literally gunning them down. It’s no different from Mengele, because they have every reason to believe that under the current system, they are completely insulated from any harm that they do, because Big Troon has a vested agenda in hiding these clear malpractice cases.
It’s happened. One was an arson in Toronto* that destroyed the clinic, one was an attempted arson in San Francisco of the doctor’s home. There was a female shrink, Rita Powers, who was murdered by a patient for whom she refused to sign off on his sex change. So it does happen and we’ll probably see more as they expand these practices to any crazy person who wants them.

ETA it was Montreal not Toronto
 
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The patient shown in these pictures actually made a post on Reddit a year ago.
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Such a subtle difference for $30-40k and potentially life-long pain/complications...
He says his shoulder width went from 49.5 cm to 45 cm, although some of the commenters are doubting it. Apparently the standard (""safe"") reduction is only 2.5 cm (1 inch).

Here's a thread discussing shoulder width reduction on r/Transgender_Surgeries, echoing the above.
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Another person talking about their experience getting the surgery: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/9attd5/i_had_clavicle_shorteningshoulder_narrowing/
This was done by Dr. Leif Rogers, the only other surgeon in the US who offers it. Here's another patient of his who posted to Reddit.
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This made me snort when I came across it, lol. Reddit thread: Are any of the "incel surgeons" even reputable?
Incel-to-troon pipeline confirmed. These people going to butchers like Dr. Eppley to get expensive, dangerous, experimental cosmetic surgeries for subtle changes really bring to mind the incels who obsess over tiny details (like the width of their philtrum, etc) and blame these things for their inceldom.
Incels and troons alike, missing the forest for the trees.
 
Photo overlay of the shoulder surgery:
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He lost next to nothing. Maybe half an inch off the left shoulder. His traps are still quite prominent which is a big giveaway. What a waste.
It makes sense. If he’s only removing a chunk from the collar bone then how could the shoulders possibly narrow? The only thing this will do is pull them inward which could give a slight appearance of narrowing but as mentioned above will mostly just cause the shoulders to appear deformed.
 
All I can think of with the leg shortening/lengthening nonsense: If you’re so tall or short that a few inches difference won’t help, why bother? And if you’re taller/shorter than average for your transitioned gender by just a bit, wouldn’t it be “close enough” to bother with a very intensive surgery? I know that many will still do it anyway regardless but it’s just not worth it.

Messing with bones isn’t to be taken lightly. Even surgeries involving tissues can go wrong easily (see top surgeries and literally every genital surgery itt).
 
Back to some wholesome stinkditch and fleshsock content. :)

Vaginoplasty from Reddit user Abigailbates:
3.5 weeks post-op
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12 weeks post-op
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Done by Dr. Laura Douglass at Temple University Hospital in Philadelphia, PA. Sounds like someone's muscling in on Dr. Rumer's turf.
Covered in full by Medicaid. He dilates an hour per day and wears panty liners everyday because of discharge.
Can anyone more technologically knowledgeable explain what kind of camera takes pictures like these? Freaking huge and with very low resolution.
Don't even low-end phones these days have pretty good cameras...? Lol, and this is something I come across pretty often with MTF surgery pics. Conspiracy? :lol:


RFF phalloplasty from Reddit user Nonbinaryphallo:
3 weeks post-op
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Done at the Buncke Clinic in San Francisco, CA. They were willing to do glansplasty and scrotoplasty in the first surgery as well. Covered by insurance, only had to pay a few hundred out-of-pocket.
Her arm is still wrapped, so no pics of the grisly graft site (yet). She apparently has "an internal fistula which is causing some of the urine to leak out of my front hole".
Kinda funny & sad that she refuses to say "vag". Unironically uses front hole and says things like v*ginal canal and vnectomy.


ALT phalloplasty from Reddit user Mansglory:
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Note that these graft sites are FULLY HEALED, since the original RFF phallo was done in 2014.
She also has an inflatable erectile device. Enjoy! :)
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These "therapy" groups sound like prime vectors of social contagion.


Unrelated bonus:
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I have a clinically retarded question but I have to ask:

Why can't they harvest stem cells into new skin grafts for them? Why do they still resort to flaying them alive using the skinning-a-chicken method?
expense and access. stem cell harvesting is expensive and usually those facilities reserve their time for more important things like cancer patients.

Eppley has a few registered complaints in the system. Smells like trans community coverup to me. I bet there's at least a good handful of people seriously damaged by that doctor.

edit; in the olden times dentists were the butchers. they did all surgery, it was seen as butchery by doctors of medicine. he seems to fit that mold, and even has his DDS to go along with it.
 
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