Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Not really Comicsgate-related, since it's not retarded, but it was pleasing to see YoungRippa on the recent Thomas Sowell documentary:

To bring it back to Comicsgate, did we ever find out which one of you CG ruffians provoked poor Eric into making this?

Was it you @NasserRabadi13? Or you @TheCosmicWarrior?

You two are the prime suspects!

Now listen here CGers, you stop chasing Eric's clout, you hear? You leave Eric July's clout alone. He is cool, and you are not! Okay? And nothing can EVER change that. Okay?

Some people just have 300K+ subscribers on Youtube, okay? And others will just never have that.

You can't 'catch cool' from YoungRippa! You can only put your own uncool stink on him. So leave him alone!

And now, before the reeing sets in, let us return the CGers to their regularly scheduled CG programming:

Rippa is a Libertarian. No handouts, CG! Bootstrap you comic welfare queens.

 

[Analog Devolved]

https://twitter.com/Mangaka_Ody/status/1383721178255151106

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Since I'm not following this Liam autism well, does this clear up the "I'm gay" rumours but not the "I have a wife a kids" schioposting?

Shane Davis on Twitter: "Nice virtue-signaling, dry-humper.… "

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Theres some minor drama involving Shane Davis. Some checkmark twitter comic book person chimped out then locked his account.


Anyone follow this tard to give us the tard cum?

Not exactly a banger. Why exactly did McKeever lock down for? Start am autistic slap fight then run away screeching?

 

[Unverified]

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

This is a two-page backup story from Hybrids: The Killing Field. This particular story was """edited""" by none other than Piper Steed/Fyzzgiggidy. Now, I know editing TWO WHOLE PAGES is a tall order, but come on now.

Spoiler: What a fucking joke

 

[Brother Maynard]

I was glad to see Malin adjust down his former admonition to CG creators that they need to build a YouTube channel until they have 25,000 subscribers before they launch a campaign down to the 2-3000 he suggested last night.

Considering that after 3 years of being CGs #2 guy he doesn't have a quarter of his previous quota, it's best to temper expectations from 'the little guys' out there struggling to break even.

Michael had a great argument for trying to help people who need help with crowdfunding. But Mr. My way ot the highway just couldn't handle it. CG made Malin. He lucked into the first CG book, and is constantly promoted by Frog, and this arrogant prick tells everyone else to just do what he did, then calls them entitled?

Frog had enough sense to grasp what the guy was saying, but not enough balls to call Malin out for being a total dick.

 

[No dignity]

I was glad to see Malin adjust down his former admonition to CG creators that they need to build a YouTube channel until they have 25,000 subscribers before they launch a campaign down to the 2-3000 he suggested last night.

Considering that after 3 years of being CGs #2 guy he doesn't have a quarter of his previous quota, it's best to temper expectations from 'the little guys' out there struggling to break even.

Michael had a great argument for trying to help people who need help with crowdfunding. But Mr. My way ot the highway just couldn't handle it. CG made Malin. He lucked into the first CG book, and is constantly promoted by Frog, and this arrogant prick tells everyone else to just do what he did, then calls them entitled?

Frog had enough sense to grasp what the guy was saying, but not enough balls to call Malin out for being a total dick.

I saw the stream yesterday and they all seemed really rattled by what Michael said in some harmless twitter thread. The guy has no pull whatsoever, yet his words hit them so hard that everybody decided this was their time of the month to menstruate live on air (especially Malin).

 

[Analog Devolved]

I saw the stream yesterday and they all seemed really rattled by what Michael said in some harmless twitter thread. The guy has no pull whatsoever, yet his words hit them so hard that everybody decided this was their time of the month to menstruate live on air (especially Malin).

Manufactured made-for-youtube drama gay ops should be called "The Van Sciver". They need the drama to pump more money into that cat book as the campaign closes.

Oh no! Some random faggot on twitter called me a nazi. Tell him to eat shit and move on.

 

[Miniluv]

I was glad to see Malin adjust down his former admonition to CG creators that they need to build a YouTube channel until they have 25,000 subscribers before they launch a campaign down to the 2-3000 he suggested last night.

Considering that after 3 years of being CGs #2 guy he doesn't have a quarter of his previous quota, it's best to temper expectations from 'the little guys' out there struggling to break even.

Michael had a great argument for trying to help people who need help with crowdfunding. But Mr. My way ot the highway just couldn't handle it. CG made Malin. He lucked into the first CG book, and is constantly promoted by Frog, and this arrogant prick tells everyone else to just do what he did, then calls them entitled?

Frog had enough sense to grasp what the guy was saying, but not enough balls to call Malin out for being a total dick.

I understood what Michael was trying to say (even if he wasn't the best at articulating his point) but Malin came off like a complete douche as usual. His attitude that Michael was somehow trying to get other creators to "do all the work for him" seemed mean spirited and shitty, which is par for the course as far as his interactions with other people go.

Michael isn't going to get help from the top levels of CG because he doesn't have any industry credit to his name like Shane Davis, Graham Nolan, or Dan Fraga. He isn't a court jester for EVS like Cecil and he didn't spend a small fortune in superchats for a year to get senpai to notice him like Charlie's London. Admittedly, this barrier to entry is much better than when they were constantly boosting the utter trash being shit out by guys like Wenger, Micah Curtis, and Antonio Brice.

There should be a middle ground where creators that aren't garbage tier but don't have an established name can get help with crowdfunding from people that have an audience but Coach Malin ain't having that shit. You better go get you a YouTube personality and cultivate an audience of several thousand people from the ground up and fuck you if you need a boost.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Manufactured made-for-youtube drama gay ops should be called "The Van Sciver". They need the drama to pump more money into that cat book as the campaign closes.

Oh no! Some random faggot on twitter called me a nazi. Tell him to eat shit and move on

I understood what Michael was trying to say (even if he wasn't the best at articulating his point) but Malin came off like a complete douche as usual. His attitude that Michael was somehow trying to get other creators to "do all the work for him" seemed mean spirited and shitty, which is par for the course as far as his interactions with other people go.

Michael isn't going to get help from the top levels of CG because he doesn't have any industry credit to his name like Shane Davis, Graham Nolan, or Dan Fraga. He isn't a court jester for EVS like Cecil and he didn't spend a small fortune in superchats for a year to get senpai to notice him like Charlie's London. Admittedly, this barrier to entry is much better than when they were constantly boosting the utter trash being shit out by guys like Wenger, Micah Curtis, and Antonio Brice.

There should be a middle ground where creators that aren't garbage tier but don't have an established name can get help with crowdfunding from people that have an audience but Coach Malin ain't having that shit. You better go get you a YouTube personality and cultivate an audience of several thousand people from the ground up and fuck you if you need a boost.

Seems the prophecy of the pros taking over CG that Ernst and Lim and OG CG peeps feared were indeed true. There was a while there after the fall of Rome and the pro exodus where upstarts had a chance to make a name for themselves on the big show, but when those prose were replaced by the next generation CG pro hangers on, the little guys in CG were all forgotten again.

Now do your job, CG, and support the out of work professionals that Ethan tells you to. Good sheep.

 

[FROG]

Seems the prophecy of the pros taking over CG that Ernst and Lim and OG CG peeps feared were indeed true. There was a while there after the fall of Rome and the pro exodus where upstarts had a chance to make a name for themselves on the big show, but when those prose were replaced by the next generation CG pro hangers on, the little guys in CG were all forgotten again.

Now do your job, CG, and support the out of work professionals that Ethan tells you to. Good sheep.

Surprise! A movement focused on The Customer First turns out to be a meritocracy after all.

Meanwhile, "the little guys" that actually do the work are doing fine. Clint Stoker hasn't been on my show in months.

For some reason, the people who don't like this outcome are the same ones calling The Customer "good sheep."

I understood what Michael was trying to say (even if he wasn't the best at articulating his point) but Malin came off like a complete douche as usual. His attitude that Michael was somehow trying to get other creators to "do all the work for him" seemed mean spirited and shitty, which is par for the course as far as his interactions with other people go.

Michael isn't going to get help from the top levels of CG because he doesn't have any industry credit to his name like Shane Davis, Graham Nolan, or Dan Fraga. He isn't a court jester for EVS like Cecil and he didn't spend a small fortune in superchats for a year to get senpai to notice him like Charlie's London. Admittedly, this barrier to entry is much better than when they were constantly boosting the utter trash being shit out by guys like Wenger, Micah Curtis, and Antonio Brice.

There should be a middle ground where creators that aren't garbage tier but don't have an established name can get help with crowdfunding from people that have an audience but Coach Malin ain't having that shit. You better go get you a YouTube personality and cultivate an audience of several thousand people from the ground up and fuck you if you need a boost.

That middle ground for projects that are by newbies or amateurs, but aren't shit, exists. But you think this belongs on it?

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

Michael isn't going to get help from the top levels of CG because he doesn't have any industry credit to his name like Shane Davis, Graham Nolan, or Dan Fraga. He isn't a court jester for EVS like Cecil and he didn't spend a small fortune in superchats for a year to get senpai to notice him like Charlie's London. Admittedly, this barrier to entry is much better than when they were constantly boosting the utter trash being shit out by guys like Wenger, Micah Curtis, and Antonio Brice.

There should be a middle ground where creators that aren't garbage tier but don't have an established name can get help with crowdfunding from people that have an audience but Coach Malin ain't having that shit. You better go get you a YouTube personality and cultivate an audience of several thousand people from the ground up and fuck you if you need a boost.

Neat encapsulation of the current situation.

I mean, why promote the utter excrement from subhumans like Wenger and Narwhal when the pro clique can have all the grifting action. Not that its a bad thing seeing less of that kind of detritus, just infuriating that CG could promote that level of basement production in the first place.

And I’m glad I’m not the only one who notices Charlie’s tumour-inducing levels of gushing cringe during the CG streams.

 

[Analog Devolved]

That middle ground for projects that are by newbies or amateurs, but aren't shit, exists. But you think this belongs on it?

Yeah, that belongs in the "middle ground". It looks okay. Not something I would back but it's got a chance.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Surprise! A movement focused on The Customer First turns out to be a meritocracy after all.

Meanwhile, "the little guys" that actually do the work are doing fine. Clint Stoker hasn't been on my show in months.

For some reason, the people who don't like this outcome are the same ones calling The Customer "good sheep."

Sweetcast is a special case. You have a ridiculous habit of pointing to one or two exceptions to the rule and claim they prove the rule. Most people are just not cut out to be youtube personalities. Hell, have you tried to watch a Malin solo stream? He's awful. No wonder he can't siphon off more than 8k subs from you and Anna combined after 3 years of trying.

And still, the dick head says to all these little tryhards "just do what I did!". What an idiot.

Most of the creators in CG aren't making minimum wage on their IGGs. Only the pros and those who had preexisting youtube fan bases, and the select few in your circle. Pretty much everyone else would be better off working at Taco Bell and making web comics.

 

[Miniluv]

That middle ground for projects that are by newbies or amateurs, but aren't shit, exists. But you think this belongs on it?

I'm not making a case for his work specifically, just using him as an example since he was the topic of conversation on the stream. This is the first time I've seen any of his stuff. It doesn't look like top shelf shit but it's a step above something like Nasser's ASYL (no disrespect intended to Nasser). It looks like an indie comic. Hell, some of it looks better than Iron Sights.

I'm not saying he deserves to be sitting next to Cecil in the center square on your show or that his project deserves the attention and money of a juggernaut like Shane's Meower Rangers book but yeah, I'd say it looks like a middle tier indie crowdfunding project.

In any case, his book funded so somebody obviously liked it.

Neat encapsulation of the current situation.

I mean, why promote the utter excrement from subhumans like Wenger and Narwhal when the pro clique can have all the grifting action. Not that its a bad thing seeing less of that kind of detritus, just infuriating that CG could promote that level of basement production in the first place.

And I’m glad I’m not the only one who notices Charlie’s tumour-inducing levels of gushing cringe during the CG streams.

I can understand why Frog would hesitate to use his platform for unproven commodities after many backers getting burned by projects that had talent behind them but didn't fulfill (Sovereign, Death Sworn) or hatched by personalities that seemed like foils for his hazing or could make jokes on the show but were completely unsuited for making comics because the talent just wasn't there and their product ended up being subpar (Wenger, Micah). He's got a popular show and he should promote the best CG has to offer. Boosting shit products isn't good for him, his channel, or his backers. It took him a long while to get to that point, though and I'm always amazed when I think back to the terribly below average crap that was given a spotlight back then.

Right now, you're getting on Frog's show if you're an established pro that can work and meet deadlines. It's not really a showcase for amateurs to talk about their projects, and that's fine. Maybe if there were some way to vet an amateur talent or bring on a person that's got a certain amount of their book already completed and ready to go or had a successfully fulfilled campaign in the can already then it would be different. I don't begrudge EVS for showcasing pros, but I do think there should be a way for a new guy to get some sort of exposure from the big channels every so often.

And yes, there should be a warning before any appearance from Charlie's to avoid an aneurysm.

 

[Smug Freiza]

I'm all for bagging on Jon Malin for making a dick out of himself, for instance the Rags snowmobile cover, however he was on point with Michael Derrick. Derrick's argument boiled down to wanting someone else to take over promotion, fulfillment and the business side of comic creation while he could be free to "write his stories." This magical entity he proposed was a Comicsgate company, a pipe dream cooked up in his head to solve his own problems. He couldn't even articulate what a potential company would look like, who would run it, how it would operate or how it could be commercially viable.

Frog correctly points out that he's constantly accused of "gate keeping" and imo has every right to gatekeep ALL CAPS comics and his Youtube channel, since those are his platforms. If he was to create a broader company like Derrick suggests, who decides which books the company publishes and fulfills? Does Mandy Summer's book Wart the Wizard make the cut? Does Michael Derricks alien anal probe book series make the cut? Would Wenger's Aldrake? Or any of the vaporware currently listed on CreatorGO?

What happens when creators do the wrong thing? Will the CG miracle company bail out creators like Cridious who misuse backer money? Will the CG miracle company pay out Martina Markota to fight her lawsuit? Will the CG miracle company post Slick Jimmy's bail for his pedo charges and hire a PR firm to rehabilitate his image and that of his book?

There is no benefit to Frog or Malin for starting and funding such a company, just more risk and liabilities. Perhaps if Michael Derrick stopped tweeting about his Communist Comicsgate Company on twitter and spent as much time putting in work into his Youtube channel maybe he'd be doing better.

The guy has been around since 2019 but his Youtube channel which should be the primary method for promoting his books is fucking barren. Lets not forget, again he chose Warcampaign back during the split of last year and constantly snipes at Anna, Malin and Frog and now comes crawling on his hands and knees begging for a hand out?

I would have told him to eat shit and die.

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[FROG]

Yeah, that belongs in the "middle ground". It looks okay. Not something I would back but it's got a chance.

Everything's got a chance. But this isn't an overlooked gem.

Derrick's excuse point was mainly that he got into the game too late. He believes that the "system" that creates professionals is gone now (it isn't) and therefore, he doesn't have the opportunity to rise to the level that the established pros have reached after 20-35 years in mainstream comics.

He does have that opportunity. He could go audition for any of the mainstream companies that are still pumping out comics each month, and he could go spend the next two decades of his life learning how to do comics.

He should!

The answer isn't for us to build "infrastructure" to compensate for 20 years of experience that he lacks and doesn't want to acquire. I've built infrastructure for the books I'm publishing, and that's enough for me.

Sweetcast is a special case. You have a ridiculous habit of pointing to one or two exceptions to the rule and claim they prove the rule. Most people are just not cut out to be youtube personalities. Hell, have you tried to watch a Malin solo stream? He's awful. No wonder he can't siphon off more than 8k subs from you and Anna combined after 3 years of trying.

And still, the dick head says to all these little tryhards "just do what I did!". What an idiot.

Most of the creators in CG aren't making minimum wage on their IGGs. Only the pros and those who had preexisting youtube fan bases, and the select few in your circle. Pretty much everyone else would be better off working at Taco Bell and making web comics.

How is Sweetcast a special case??? He's a regular dude without any training who is working at being a broadcaster and comic book writer, hasn't gotten sucked into drama, and just does his clickbait videos every day while promoting his comic book. He's the exact prescription for ComicsGate.

But why would amateurs expect to be able to make a living wage at a skill they haven't developed? Comics or YouTube? The idea behind ComicsGate is that anyone should be able to make comics despite SJWs and blacklists, it isn't really that everyone should be able to do this for a living. If you work hard, you can make a comic book. Like Clint Stoker.

The "select few" in my circle are there because they are helping me put on the show that sells MY comics. But my plans were ALWAYS to only help blacklisted professionals, who depended on comics to pay their bills, to survive the leftist purge. I started out with my fellow pros, and then got talked into helping worthless indie shitheads like Tim Lim and the RAGS crew, and god only knows who else. I'm back to helping my fellow professionals, and the occasional small press creator who shows amazing talent and initiative.

 

[Rupin]

Yeah, that belongs in the "middle ground". It looks okay. Not something I would back but it's got a chance.

That shit looks garbo.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Everything's got a chance. But this isn't an overlooked gem.

Derrick's point was mainly that he got into the game too late. He believes that the "system" that creates professionals is gone now (it isn't) and therefore, he doesn't have the opportunity to rise to the level that the established pros have reached after 20-35 years in mainstream comics.

He does have that opportunity. He could go audition for any of the mainstream companies that are still pumping out comics each month, and he could go spent the next two decades of his life learning how to do comics.

He should!

The answer isn't for us to build "infrastructure" to compensate for 20 years of experience that he lacks and doesn't want to acquire. I've built infrastructure for the books I'm publishing, and that's enough for me.


How is Sweetcast a special case??? He's a regular dude without any training who is working at being a broadcaster and comic book writer, hasn't gotten sucked into drama, and just does his clickbait videos every day while promoting his comic book. He's the exact prescription for ComicsGate.

But why would amateurs expect to be able to make a living wage at a skill they haven't developed? Comics or YouTube? The idea behind ComicsGate is that anyone should be able to make comics despite SJWs and blacklists, it isn't really that everyone should be able to do this for a living. If you work hard, you can make a comic book. Like Clint Stoker.

The "select few" in my circle are there because they are helping me put on the show that sells MY comics. Obviously they benefit from this too, but it's really just about selling Frog comics.

"Hey look, everyone, this ONE person has managed to become a successful YouTuber, and used that platform to sell his comic book!"

How is that a special case? You're not too bright, are you?

Now, how many CG creators have tried to emulate that formula and failed? Most if them.

That's your baseline, dummy. The exception to the rule does not disprove the rule.

Also, this isn't a complaint about how you run your show. I have no problem with you gatekeeping your platform, you should. But Michael brought up a valid problem, seeking a solution, and you and Malin took it as some sort of challenge to your authority.

The narrative that you two are selling CG creators has proven itself nearly impossible for most CG creators. Malin couldn't live up to his own advice if he weren't handed Jawbreakers and made your first lackey. So the advice is BS. If you want to help smaller CG creators, AND THAT'S A BIG "IF", then when someone is seeking a solution to the problem, don't react by shutting all over them. Have the conversation, and see if any of his suggestions are feasible. Even in the hypothetical.

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

Is it just me or have TFM not been shilling for CG as much as they used to?

Remember when Az from HvBF was a regular on CG streams?

 

[FROG]

"Hey look, everyone, this ONE person has managed to become a successful YouTuber, and used that platform to sell his comic book!"

How is that a special case? You're not too bright, are you?

Now, how many CG creators have tried to emulate that formula and failed? Most if them.

That's your baseline, dummy. The exception to the rule does not disprove the rule.

Every single person who has "tried to emulate that formula and failed" has failed for a reason.

Clint, Mandy Summers, Michael Bancroft, all creators who aren't in my circle and are able to sell their comics while putting on YouTube shows.

Hell, even Liam Gray has figured it out, and will succeed if he doesn't self-destruct first.

Is it just me or have TFM not been shilling for CG as much as they used to?

Remember when Az from HvBF was a regular on CG streams?

He's a DM away from appearing on my show and vice versa. I'm very, very busy. I imagine he is too.

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

He's a DM away from appearing on my show and vice versa. I'm very, very busy. I imagine he is too.

If by Az being ‘busy’ you mean ‘desperately trying to milk the outrage grift on paypig streams before his plummeting YouTube numbers and massively reduced output send him rightly back to obscurity’, then yep; he’s busy alright.