Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Miniluv]

I believe Charlie's London said they have distribution plans for the book for after the campaign, after backers get their books. So it'll be in more places. Most of TCM and Criterion's customers are boomers who don't really crowdfund, so I think for a book like Charlie's London, promoting with TCM or Criterion would be better when/if the book is available on places like Amazon, or the estate's official website or something.

Boomers don't really spend $30 on comics generally either, so I'm not sure if the problem is where they get it right now.

Another danger in putting all her marketing eggs exclusively in the EVS/CG basket right off the bat is that it just takes one SJW loony to contact the estate and say that CL is using a white supremacist platform to promote the book. Then she's fucked. CG is a controversy magnet and bringing a licensed property to that space is extremely risky unless it's owned by somebody like Stallone that doesn't give a fuck about that kind of shit. Hell, if someone involved with the estate watched her on a livestream that had Cecil anywhere near it, she could be in trouble.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Boomers don't really spend $30 on comics generally either, so I'm not sure if the problem is where they get it right now.

Yeah but they do on Criterions. And that's the audience for this book, is Criterion Collection customers. The typical Criterion price tag is $39.99 for a bluray, $29.99 for a DVD. Now a lot of those are already discounted to like $31.99 on the Criterion website, but Criterion customers are used to spending a LOT of money on their product. So paying $30 for a comic book might not seem like a big deal to them.

 

[Absurdity]

Well it was a nice break! I need more Liam leaks. Has he officially come out as having imaginary preggo waifu?

Scivergate is winding down nicely. I am eagerly anticipating DC (Donal-Cecil) comics drama, or a general Cecil meltdown which must come either before and/or after Ethan drops him. Though I will say it looks like Malin might have a breakdown before that. The only "competition" Ethan has is his own quality control, fullfillment, enemies of his own creation and embarrassing associations and drama that hurts his brand (or has already obliterated it). Keep streaming, waking up after 3pm, holding one-man pie-eating competitions, throwing people under the bus to avoid responsibility, and he might just start to see the difference.

As more regular crowdfunding comic bros show the world that you don't in fact need a major comic pro to make it happen and take credit for it at the same time, Scivergate will fade in importance and significance. What was CG will be remembered for a few main things, the noble fight waged, partially won, but mostly lost at the end by Simple Boi Zack, and how Sciverfrog felt the need to co-opt his following in the most closeted manner possible just so a big comic book name could work up the courage to crowdfund a comic. And of course, the sheer amount of sideshow freaks turned out by the dozen... which I approve.

For now, the best story of the year so far is Ernst and Lim getting the job done without any garbage. No they're not the biggest names out there, but how about doing their business like absolute professionals? Loving it.

And as far as Dale Keown goes, didn't he drop off the map due to major drug problems? Is he clean and sober now?

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

Boomers don't really spend $30 on comics generally either, so I'm not sure if the problem is where they get it right now.

Another danger in putting all her marketing eggs exclusively in the EVS/CG basket right off the bat is that it just takes one SJW loony to contact the estate and say that CL is using a white supremacist platform to promote the book. Then she's fucked. CG is a controversy magnet and bringing a licensed property to that space is extremely risky unless it's owned by somebody like Stallone that doesn't give a fuck about that kind of shit. Hell, if someone involved with the estate watched her on a livestream that had Cecil anywhere near it, she could be in trouble.

A graphic novel/comic on Chaplin is one of the few concepts in the whole CG detritus which genuinely interests me. Charlie’s London is insufferable but the IP is genuinely interesting. I know from one of her launch streams that the estate does appear to keep close tabs on her progress etc, so presumably, as you say, her breaking bread with an alcoholic, drug-taking conman who spends 90% of four hours talking about gay innuendos and cosplaying Preston Poulter presumably wouldn’t be too well received by Chaplin inc., so to speak.

 

[Miniluv]

A graphic novel/comic on Chaplin is one of the few concepts in the whole CG detritus which genuinely interests me. Charlie’s London is insufferable but the IP is genuinely interesting. I know from one of her launch streams that the estate does appear to keep close tabs on her progress etc, so presumably, as you say, her breaking bread with an alcoholic, drug-taking conman who spends 90% of four hours talking about gay innuendos and cosplaying Preston Poulter presumably wouldn’t be too well received by Chaplin inc., so to speak.

That's basically the way I feel about it. She's crap as an on-camera personality but the book looks pretty good and I can definitely see there being an audience for an iconic figure like Chaplin.

What I don't get is why she spent so much time and money superchatting her way onto Ethan's channel so that she could market exclusively to the CG community, which tends to like superhero type action stuff and apparently Cash Grab. I give her all the credit in the world for having a $50k campaign in her first attempt at making a comic but if someone from the estate or someone involved in her future distribution plans sees that she's using the platform of a guy that very recently had a stream pulled and his name smeared all over the internet for making a joke about killing Asians, it could be the only money she makes from it.

 

[Pilule Noire]

Congratulations to Smiller - four years into his Youtube career he continues to be the worst, most absolute shittest presenter/broadcaster, possibly on the entire platform! The first five minutes are gold.

 

[Mister Dongs]

That's the crux isn't. Every pyramid scheme has to have some upward mobility. They all have to keep wanting to make it to the top.

The real question is are you better off at your place in the pyramid than outside of it?

You could make that argument about any economic system that doesn't have equality of outcome, but yes I agree that is the real question. Bunny and Worm (and Order of the Stick, Boom Studios, etc.) are successful, but their individual success is no more representative of the whole than Frog's is of all of CG. CG 2020 incrementally outpaced growth for crowdfunded comics (which on the whole growing) and demonstrated growth for all tiers, but CG 2021 is shaping up to be a very different thing from CG 2020/2019 as time goes on and the flood of unsupported smaller creators continue. What remains of the "outrage marketing" momentum looks to have died with the Waid lawsuit and the bottom 80% of CG it's getting harder to tell the difference between Comicsgate campaigns and crowdfunded indie comics as s whole. This of course is subject to change as well - more entrepreneurs seems better than less.

I believe Charlie's London said they have distribution plans for the book for after the campaign, after backers get their books. So it'll be in more places. Most of TCM and Criterion's customers are boomers who don't really crowdfund, so I think for a book like Charlie's London, promoting with TCM or Criterion would be better when/if the book

She has a deal with the Chaplin Foundation to distribute the comic in gift shops and boutiques and the like, and is pretty active with Chaplin fandom. She's not the best example of a completely Frog-dependent creator given that and that she does the whole CG-stream tour thing.

Cecil was unfuckingbearable last night. I couldn't stand it anymore and had to turn it off, missing everything you guys are talking about. The one stream in months that isn't a 90-minute infomercial and actually talks shop gets ruined by constant try-hard unfunny interruptions.

Cecil can be entertaining at times.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Congratulations to Smiller - four years into his Youtube career he continues to be the worst, most absolute shittest presenter/broadcaster, possibly on the entire platform! The first five minutes are gold.

Is he in a hotel somewhere?

 

[Pilule Noire]

Is he in a hotel somewhere?

I think he said he's at his mother's and his mother is still in the hospital. But I kind of zoned out, for me it takes a lot of mental effort to watch Mike in a sustained way without mentally zoning out.

 

[Brother Maynard]

I think he said he's at his mother's and his mother is still in the hospital. But I kind of zoned out, for me it takes a lot of mental effort to watch Mike in a sustained way without mentally zoning out.

So why bother?

 

[Pilule Noire]

So why bother?

Because if I put in the effort I get punched hard in the gut with belly laughs, for example "It's about a world" from around the three minute mark in that video.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

So many people around indie comics really think Chaplin is some obscure person nobody cares about and wouldn't buy a book about. People still love Charlie Chaplin--his movies, 100+ years later, are still enjoyed. He's probably the most famous actor/comedian from the silent era, and was one of the few who made a great transition to talkies. We're talking Charlie Chaplin, not some obscure 1920s actor nobody remembers.

Chaplin also got a 15 year-old pregnant. What's the word for that?

 

[Brother Maynard]

Chaplin also got a 15 year-old pregnant. What's the word for that?

Slick Charlie Love?

 

[jspit2.0]

If your definition of a successful CG campaign is limited to campaigns that made six figures, then you're absolutely correct. That's why I said it was subjective.

Success isn't subjective. Success is Cyberfrog, stupid Cat book, Graveyardshift, and Cash Grab. That is success.

I appreciate your sentiment, but no matter where you line up, I can't deny Ethan's word can kill you within CG.

You could make that argument about any economic system that doesn't have equality of outcome, but yes I agree that is the real question.

Hmmm.

Bunny and Worm (and Order of the Stick, Boom Studios, etc.) are successful, but their individual success is no more representative of the whole than Frog's is of all of CG. CG 2020 incrementally outpaced growth for crowdfunded comics (which on the whole growing) and demonstrated growth for all tiers, but CG 2021 is shaping up to be a very different thing from CG 2020/2019 as time goes on and the flood of unsupported smaller creators continue. What remains of the "outrage marketing" momentum looks to have died with the Waid lawsuit and the bottom 80% of CG it's getting harder to tell the difference between Comicsgate campaigns and crowdfunded indie comics as s whole. This of course is subject to change as well - more entrepreneurs seems better than less.

Hopefully it doesn't crash.

Cecil can be entertaining at times.

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You sir, are a treasure.

Congratulations to Smiller - four years into his Youtube career he continues to be the worst, most absolute shittest presenter/broadcaster, possibly on the entire platform! The first five minutes are gold.

I think he said he's at his mother's and his mother is still in the hospital. But I kind of zoned out, for me it takes a lot of mental effort to watch Mike in a sustained way without mentally zoning out.

Your sacrifice will be remembered Noire.

So why bother?

Because cows need to be milked, damnit!

 

[Buck Mullet]

Chaplin also got a 15 year-old pregnant. What's the word for that?

Folks are up in arms about CC being a pedo a hundred years ago, but don't say shit about grown men marrying young girls in other countries and cultures today.

And an inconvenient fact that proves them dunces (and normally I love these guys, but War Campaign needs to drop the faux outrage) is grown men have been fucking teenage girls since the dawn of time. None of us would be here if they hadn't throughout history. Judging the past from a modern perspective is an SJW thought process.

 

[Mecha]

Congratulations to Smiller - four years into his Youtube career he continues to be the worst, most absolute shittest presenter/broadcaster, possibly on the entire platform! The first five minutes are gold.

What the fuck are you doing Mike?



Fucking blockchain superhero? Does he get his powers from internet gas? This might honestly outdo the Superhero Hamburger comic. For the love of God you can't seriously promote this while calling it BitBoy.

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I've never thought there could be a dumber comic than the burger one, but here we are. If you cared to watch Mike's video there's a lot of meme language thrown around, and that's not Mike's strong suit. Characters like Dogecoin man, Etherium Girl, and Diamond hands is like a r/wallstreetbets meme hangover.

Mike's not doing a crowdfund on BitBoy so one saving grace is potentially not having to suffer the embarrassment of making less than the Burger comic.

When the fuck is Shadow of the Conqueror launching?

Interesting discussion last few pages. "What is CG" is always a fascinating topic here.

- Cecil is retarded
- Frog doesn't owe anyone promo
- If your only plan is to get promoted by a guy who does 5 hour streams laughing at flynt flossey you deserve to fail
- If you're going to rely on Frog send Superchats during the big streams and interact positively in the chat. People see that. It clearly worked for Charlie's London.
- Communal CG efforts outside of networking appearances on each other's YouTube channels is probably a wasted effort. Rules, bylines, membership and tribunals would be a disaster. Just imagine what an "official CG Discord" would look like after a month.
- If there was a CG label imagine having to pretend Dragoon Knight Alldrake doesn't exist while defending the good artists and meritocracy
- Sharing ideas about what CG is, is great but don't expect to parrot the lines about professionalism and SJWs or saving the medium and get an invite to the cool kids club. No one owes you for thinking the same. Your thoughts aren't unique in the space.
- There's a shitload of late books in "ComicsGate" so finishing one before launch can help you stand out.

Jon Malin for all his faults had a show dedicated to promoting people based on identifying as CG. ComicsGate Presents was strictly a promo show and I think he deserves a little credit for that. Someday they're going to talk about Matt Weldon the same way they do Bob Liefeld these days. Not so much his understudy.

 

[Miniluv]

Congratulations to Smiller - four years into his Youtube career he continues to be the worst, most absolute shittest presenter/broadcaster, possibly on the entire platform! The first five minutes are gold.

Smiller is to lame superheroes what Zack is to dumb G.I. Joe ripoffs, although Mike is even less coherent at expressing his thoughts.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Folks are up in arms about CC being a pedo a hundred years ago, but don't say shit about grown men marrying young girls in other countries and cultures today.

And an inconvenient fact that proves them dunces (and normally I love these guys, but War Campaign needs to drop the faux outrage) is grown men have been fucking teenage girls since the dawn of time. None of us would be here if they hadn't throughout history. Judging the past from a modern perspective is an SJW thought process.

Folks were up in arms about Chaplin being a pedo back then too.

Chaplin soon forgot about her when he met 16-year-old child actress Mildred Harris at a party in 1918.

By then aged 29 and one of the richest actors in Hollywood, he was infatuated. He sent bouquets of roses to the hotel in which Mildred was staying, and lay in wait for her in his car outside the studio where she was working. Before long, they became lovers.

When Mildred informed him that she was pregnant, however, he panicked; the last thing he wanted, at the time, was domestic responsibility. But he was well aware that he needed to avoid a terrible scandal.

His next disastrous relationship was with a child — 15-year-old actress Lita Grey, whom he’d chosen as co-star for his great film The Gold Rush.

During filming in Sierra Nevada, Chaplin casually announced to Lita that ‘when the time and place are right, we’re going to make love’. He fulfilled his wish some weeks later in the steam-room of his home in Beverly Hills.

Just as he was completing these scenes, Lita Grey announced that she was pregnant. It was a re-run of what he’d gone through with Mildred. Chaplin suggested she have an abortion, a proposal which her Catholic mother indignantly rejected. He then suggested that a willing young man be chosen as her husband on payment of a dowry of $20,000. This, too, was turned down.

Aware that he could face charges of sex with a minor and 30 years’ imprisonment, he bowed to the inevitable. ‘I was stunned and ready for suicide that day when Lita told me that she didn’t love me and that we must marry,’ he said. Despite his contempt for his wife, however, he was ‘a human sex machine’ she later revealed, who could make love six times a night without noticeable fatigue.

But far from learning that it was best not to tangle with teenage girls, he went on to have an affair with the gamine actress Paulette Goddard, who’d told him she was 17.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597412/2-000-lovers-comedy-genius-didnt-like-women-New-book-reveals-Charlie-Chaplins-obsession-young-girls-cruelly-treated-them.html

 

[Rupin]

It feels like an extra 10 years every time Adam starts talking, so that definitely checks out. Honestly, I'm pretty sure Ethan doesn't even care for him too much (though I know he won't confirm this and may deny it). He treats him similarly to how he used to treat Micah Curtis and seems disappointed whenever Adam pops into the green room. But Adam is overall a nice guy and not a total faggot like Micah, so it wouldn't be right to remove him. His projects are ABSOLUTE TRASH though. Margins aside. I've said it before, but how the fuck does someone who has "been in comics" for decades not know how a comic page should be laid out? I even remember him clapping back at people who criticized College of the Dead 2 for the margin issues by just pointing out that he has been a publisher for a long time and knows what he's doing. But then he needs Ethan and based Billy Tucci to give him a fucking tutorial on page layouts for Mermaids.

i remember when Adam was showing the page layout for his mermaid book and it had the same four panel layout as his College of the Dead 2 book. Billy Tucci tried to give him some good advice on how to layout the page properly by showing an example of his own and the advice just went right over Adam’s head.

When the fuck is Shadow of the Conqueror launching?

this was Shad’s latest tweet on the subject.

https://twitter.com/shadmbrooks/status/1384280825340956672

 

[Newman's Own]

I'm not sure someone can fight Frog and go six figures with just the CG crowd.

If you fight the Frog you're out of the CG crowd. CG is about loyalty. Until it's not.

Boomers don't really spend $30 on comics generally either, so I'm not sure if the problem is where they get it right now.

Boomers and gen-Xers do spend that kind of money. Because they have it to spend.

Is the Chaplin book hardcover? I can see it being marketed best as a coffee table book.

For now, the best story of the year so far is Ernst and Lim getting the job done without any garbage. No they're not the biggest names out there, but how about doing their business like absolute professionals? Loving it.

What's not to love about that?

You could make that argument about any economic system

CG isn't an economic system. It's a fan club and a weird top down pyramid hierarchy of sorts that exists as a weird little part of a much bigger indy ecosystem. Pyramid hierarchies exist in all economic systems in one form or another. No economic system has equality of outcome either. If they did communist leaders would die in apartments instead of palaces.

CG is a nasty little autistic closed collective with purity tests and a tiered cast system revolving around a fat guy who got famous for putting different colored skins on the Green Lantern Corps, nothing more.

Chaplin also got a 15 year-old pregnant. What's the word for that?

In 1918?

"No big deal." In some demos of society if a girl wasn't knocked up (and married) by 17 people began to wonder if she was barren. It was far more scandalous that Chaplin knocked her up out of wed lock back then than her being 16.

Sixteen year olds were genuinely looked at as young adults back then in much of the world and I'm guessing a girls level of physical development had more to do with whether people thought the guy fucking her was a perv or not.

I'm not saying Chaplin wasn't a perv but his perversion would be hard to spot in 1918.

Someday they're going to talk about Matt Weldon the same way they do Bob Liefeld these days.

Everyone says Liefeld is a shit artist. No one is going to be saying that about Weldon. Matt knows how to draw.