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nah i just check in from time to time
Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon
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How does Jerry think he's is anything less than a straight man thinking like this.
starborn427614
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Because it’s only bad if you’re a straight man who does that. If you identify as anything else, you’re encouraged and applauded for doing so.
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It's because Jerry is a retard and can only view women through his internet porn addled brain so rather than viewing them through the reality of the multifaceted nature that is womanhood, instead we get him giggling like a 3 year old because that's what girls do in the media he sees. And because, that's about as much exposure to women as he's gonna get nowadays. Seeing one of these guys thinking putting on lip stick means they pass and they've been through the same emotional turmoil as a woman makes them ultimately silly. Jerry is an Incel who liked lesbian porn enough to try to become one, there's so many case's doubley so for wannabe internet celebs.
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"It's more like Kotor 2 and SWTOR"
You know, where the Dark Side is still presented as an inherently fruitless and selfish force of short term satisfaction that destroys you in the long run. Fuck, in Kotor 2, the villains are all physical manifestation of the corruption and sickness of the darkside, how in the end it makes you nothing more than a broken shell of a person eternally enslaved to the force as life support and can only achieve hurting the people around you. The Dark Side route in that game basically has you erasing all your progress, screwing yourself over and proving the Jedi Council right for petty revenge.
Despite Kotor 2's reputation, it never presents the Dark Side as some equal or grey force, simply that you only weaken yourself in fighting it when you fear and reject it so much that you refuse to try and understand it. That the jedi overcompensate in avoiding it that they cut themselves off from the parts of their humanity that would help them reject it and the non-force users of the Galaxy generally won't give a shit about this 'Dark Side, Light Side' crap, it's all bullshit magic to them.
The only time SWTOR really treats the dark side like Lilly says is that time during the Fallen Empire storyline where the characters keep vaguely saying that the new faction is 'beyond light and dark', but never stops and explains what the fuck they mean by that. Then agian, also in that storyline, Darth Marr, the poster child for the most reasonable and honourable dark side character, renounces the sith code and starts to admit he's become more attune to the light side. Other than that, most of the dark side decisions in SWTOR is the Galactic Hitler and pointless cruelty options.
You know, where the Dark Side is still presented as an inherently fruitless and selfish force of short term satisfaction that destroys you in the long run. Fuck, in Kotor 2, the villains are all physical manifestation of the corruption and sickness of the darkside, how in the end it makes you nothing more than a broken shell of a person eternally enslaved to the force as life support and can only achieve hurting the people around you. The Dark Side route in that game basically has you erasing all your progress, screwing yourself over and proving the Jedi Council right for petty revenge.
Despite Kotor 2's reputation, it never presents the Dark Side as some equal or grey force, simply that you only weaken yourself in fighting it when you fear and reject it so much that you refuse to try and understand it. That the jedi overcompensate in avoiding it that they cut themselves off from the parts of their humanity that would help them reject it and the non-force users of the Galaxy generally won't give a shit about this 'Dark Side, Light Side' crap, it's all bullshit magic to them.
The only time SWTOR really treats the dark side like Lilly says is that time during the Fallen Empire storyline where the characters keep vaguely saying that the new faction is 'beyond light and dark', but never stops and explains what the fuck they mean by that. Then agian, also in that storyline, Darth Marr, the poster child for the most reasonable and honourable dark side character, renounces the sith code and starts to admit he's become more attune to the light side. Other than that, most of the dark side decisions in SWTOR is the Galactic Hitler and pointless cruelty options.
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Wasn't Kreia/Treya's entire plan to destroy or sever people's connection to the force because the reliance Jedi and Sith had upon it had enslaved them. The Jedi were slaves to their code, to the point that they often refused to take action to protect others. The two Sith lords in KotOR2 had immersed themselves in the dark side to the point that they were dependent upon the force to survive. The whole point of the game seemed to be the force, altogether, was a bad thing not just that the Dark Side was good or even better than the Light side.
Lily seems to be overlooking those aspects of KotOR2 to sort of justify her own Sith fetishization. A lot of Old Republic/Prequel trilogy material sort of explores the flaws of the Jedi order, they don't really ever present the Dark Side or even the Sith as acceptable alternatives. Jedi peacekeepers are still preferable to Sith Lords ruling over the galaxy (As seen with The Empire.) And that's a strange thing that is all throughout the Sith Resurgence--that Aliana and her giant fuck-you fleet are would actually be better at governing the galaxy than the Republic, and that her philosophy is actually better than the Jedi teachings, that she's more powerful than Kylo Ren, who isn't actually a Sith but a Dark Jedi. He's not a Sith, he's just a Jedi posing as one, and that makes him shittier.
It's like the only things that Kreya said that sunk in for Lily were her lines when she roasted the Jedi Council and not the...everything else.
Son Goku Baku
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I like how Liliana took the question "why aren't you dating older women" and instead of doing the normal response of "I haven't met older women who I liked and liked me back", she has to go on a whole tangent about how she is so progressive and so much better than everyone because she doesn't have any particular preference, she's that woke and respectful of all women. It's your need for affirmation that you're a good person so strong, Liliana? I'm sorry to tell you, but your sexual preferences do anything about the fact you're still a predator who actively preys on impressionable people from your own fanbase like a pathetic, insecure weirdo.
I wonder if Liliana's going to come out to say that, actually, this liking respectfully for older women is a thing and here, did I mention that the buff woman I totally hook up with shortly after Lizzy dumped me was actually older than me? And the twins sister who were incest lesbians together invited me to a threesome? They were on their fourties! This is proof I'm not seeking out young people to prey on and my relationship with a woman who can't even drink on some states is totally fine.
I wonder if Liliana's going to come out to say that, actually, this liking respectfully for older women is a thing and here, did I mention that the buff woman I totally hook up with shortly after Lizzy dumped me was actually older than me? And the twins sister who were incest lesbians together invited me to a threesome? They were on their fourties! This is proof I'm not seeking out young people to prey on and my relationship with a woman who can't even drink on some states is totally fine.
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A follow-up video.
TLDW: TGT's ego is hurt. She won't break bread with EOT and Levi about Lily because Levi is swinging his big autistic dick around on Twitter. He shoots from the hip when it comes to branding people with the wrong think stick. It's A lot of Id politics. She gets very emotional and angry.
Saving for posterity.
So much for Opal's dream.
If she could kill some of that ego maybe she'd make something worthwhile.
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Wow, that's new. And this is a real excuse of being such a pathetic human weakling.
For all those readers, this is not a definition of anything, it's simply mental seizure, nothing more.
Love needs attraction, and making a deep bound isn't romantic based, you can even make those with people you like as friends.
TheAmbiguousLurker
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The reliance on the force was merely a symbol of the failure in both Jedi and Sith, in that no matter how powerful they became, they were never truly their own people, never independent, with Sith who could never break their chains and Jedi who could never effectively help people because they prefer to wait for the force to tell them that they need to intervene. In the game, the remainder of both factions achieve nothing but hurting themselves.
The Sith destroy world and murder millions simply to stay alive, so they can continue doing the same routine with no gain but the continuation of this cycle. Nihlus feasts on worlds for a hunger that will never be satisfied and Sion hunts down the jedi to appease a Master who'd long since abandoned him. The Jedi Council sequester themselves away, waiting for an answer to appear to them while the Galaxy burns around them and the Sith draw ever closer to finishing them off. And when the answer does arrive in the form of the Exile, who both tells them what the threat is and has the one ability that can neutralize that threat, the Council throw away everything the Exile had taught them individually to lecture the Exile and ignore the answer they'd been waiting for because they can't acknowledge the existence of something that proves it's possible to live without the force. In a way, you could say the Sith are destroyed by the nature of the dark side powers they use while the Jedi are brought down in their flaws as people.
Kreia's philosophy definitely didn't fetishize the dark side, in fact I think she saw it as even more disgusting than the Jedi because you were destroying yourself for short-term satisfaction. Her problem with the force is simply in the fact that the Force has a will. If the all mighty energy field that connects and moulds life has a will, then to her nothing anyone does actually matters, no one has a choice, everyone is a slave to the eternal push for balance. In her mind, the only choice that mattered was the destruction of the force, even if that destruction killed everyone in the Galaxy.
But I understand why Lilly would take so little from it. I mean, it's a big game and these themes are but one of a shit ton of subjects and ideas covered in the story, and Lilly has a very short attention span; of course she's only take away the bare minimum cliff notes. I wouldn't be surprised if the only thing she took away from Sion was 'something something virgin incel'
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I know this is what Lily wants to do, but look at the definition of 'demiromantic'. I figured it was probably congruous to demisexual, and it looks like I was right.
It is exactly the opposite of how Lily has previously defined herself.
In context, she's saying that, because she's 'demiromantic', she doesn't like getting lewd asks from Anons-- she only wants to engage in that thing from people she knows and already has an 'intimate' relationship with. This explanation would make sense if she were trying to pretend she's demiromantic (which, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this basically how... most people work...?). Of course, if all those lewds are verifiably from partners that she trusts, she's basically an exhibitionist and that seems to go against her 'I'm uncomfortable doing this with strangers' thing already.
This is in contrast to the fact that she has openly gotten lewd asks from Anons, and is in direct defiance of her statement that she is extremely prone to falling in love with people who are just good friends. This is encapsulated in her writing advice. She's said previously that asexual characters should still be given romance arcs because apparently that's the only way to show a strong bond between people. She's implied that all love is fundamentally romantic and even used it to (less than jokingly, given her proclivities) support incestuous relationships.
I'm obviously being facetious in my confusion. This is just Lily manipulating and gaslighting her audience-- she opens herself to lewd asks on a whim, then closes them off and screams at people for pushing her boundaries, then opens them again out of nowhere, then shames them for sending lewds. And when the Anon tries to be respectful and say "I'm sorry, I didn't know you weren't accepting them now, is there any way to know when you're receptive?" she shames them by throwing around the word 'demisexual' even though she has said herself many, many times that she falls in love with her friends extremely easily.
It's just her trying to wield idpol labels as a weapon to manipulate, control, and abuse her audience.
But it's just such a naked lie it makes my head spin.
Lily has referenced Kreia's policy in The Sith Resurgence and has implied that, based on that, the Force is actually a malevolent entity whose will should be denied and rejected; she's used the Force dyad between Rey and Kylo Ren to show how manipulative (perhaps even abusive) the Force is.
Then she turns around and says that the Dark Side is totally okay.
Then she turns around again and says that the Force has to be fought against.
Then she gets asked why the main characters still use Force powers and she performs a somersault saying well obviously they HAVE the Force powers already so they might as well USE them.
Her understanding of the Dark Side and the Force and everything else is just a reflection of her shallow use of... everything, in everything she writes: it does whatever she needs it to do at any given moment, there's no thematic through-line or consistency, and she scraped up something just canon enough to support her when she needs it and ignores it when she doesn't.
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My understanding of this whole 'lewd ask' thing is that she only accepts/likes sexual and demeaning stuff, instead of like intimate and romantic. That ask was trying to be uwu sof an romantic kiss on da fowehead, instead of the usual kind of demeaning and humiliating stuff that Lily has expressed interest in before. So because it was trying to be romantic instead of sexual, she got uncomfortable because she can't see herself/doesn't like romantic interactions outside of her friends/partners.
I don't really think this is her going back on the lewd asks, just her clarifying that it needs to be strictly lewd/sexual and not at all romantic. It's a fucked situation regardless, but unless she actively starts to roll back and claim that she was never receptive of lewd/sexual asks then I don't see a problem.
I don't really think this is her going back on the lewd asks, just her clarifying that it needs to be strictly lewd/sexual and not at all romantic. It's a fucked situation regardless, but unless she actively starts to roll back and claim that she was never receptive of lewd/sexual asks then I don't see a problem.
That Dumb Derp
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To be perfectly honest, you can kind of see why she's pissed and why her ego is making that decision. "The Left eating its own" isn't just a meme at this point, it's an unfortunate reality, and it constantly gets enforced by the wokescold crowds and people like Lily and people who talk like Lily.
Take what happened to ContraPoints. Is she a cow? Sure, but to a large extent, a lot of the people yelling at her and trying to get her influence removed from the internet because she did some stupid shit involving a piece of shit trans man who said stupid things and did some stupid things (that even ContraPoints almost touched on). As shitty as Buck Angel may or may not be, people care more about the fact she was ever associated with Buck Angel than the actual ground she made for the Left.
If a community finds it more difficult to actually take on a piece of shit or abuser than to yell at each other, that is a problem of the community. We know this is a favored tactic Lily loves to use to either defend herself or to actually instigate, she's done it with Josh when he made his first allegations of emotional abuse and she did it with the ToonKritic situation, turning that fucking shitshow into a Josh vs Lily situation.
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Ah, that's fair. I misunderstood the premise, my bad!
That said, I still think it's part of her manipulation tactic, because she's done this kind of thing before-- she accepts the lewd asks, then freaks out when anons send lewd asks at the wrong time (without ever indicating when she's no longer receptive). And she's gotten plenty of people being 'cute' with her in the past that I don't think is just limited to her girlfriends (although perhaps not with anonymous senders, which just wraps back around to her being an exhibitionist and being scandalized when somebody thinks it's an appropriate way to interact with her, after all of those other demeaning and explicit asks also go through).
And it still doesn't really dismiss the point of her using identity politics as a cudgel to shame people. She can't just say "I get off to being demeaned but I'm uncomfortable with romance" and has to throw an arbitrary label (that again, by all her previous statements, does not apply to her) so her fanbase is shamed into compliance.
This isn't to say that Lily doesn't have a right to draw boundaries (that would be absolutely insane), but by her pattern of behavior she loves to blur those lines, coax people into crossing them, and then making it THEIR FAULT. It's an abuser's tactic. (Surprise.)
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Oh no, absolutely. Lily has consistently shown she has no sense for boundaries, be it her own or others. From her pushing Lizzy to draw things she was uncomfortable with (and blaming Lizzy for Lily not respecting those boundaries), to this wishy washy placement on where her boundaries actually are.
All your observations are valid, especially the part about her constant use of identity politics to defend herself and attack others. I just wanted to correct a misunderstanding a lot of people here seemed to have. Like I said, either way the situation (and Lily in general) is fucked.
King_Boo_Official
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This kind of shit is why I joined this thread.
Not every action needs to be on a linear plane of "fixing the problem". All the bronies finding out about this on Twitter or whatever couldn't have done anything to stop what happened. Also, can we stop demonizing defensiveness, please? It's perfectly natural to want to disavow people who are linked to you in some way, if they've done something wrong that you don't condone. Humans are social creatures, and it's natural to care about how we're perceived. People like Lily don't realize that these people are "getting defensive" over people like her, who look at stories like this and say, "see? I knew everybody in this group was evil!".
I have experience with this as a Steven Universe fan, because this is shot-for-shot how the "Zamii incident" went down. If anybody on this thread is a RWBY or Voltron fan, you're probably used to this as well, being treated like your whole fandom is crazy because of a few horror stories of fans sending death threats or blackmail over fanart or shipping or whatever. Let me just say, I understand how you feel. The idea that a vocal minority doesn't represent a whole fandom gets treated as a handwave of the damage these people can actually do, but the majority of people have no control over what others do. All they can do is voice their disapproval (not to mention that stuff like this, or blackmail or death threats, is a legal issue to be solved between the targets, the offenders, and law enforcement). Fandoms can't really be blamed for stuff like this because they're not really organized "groups", they're a large group of people united by differing levels of engagement with a specific thing. These people were probably on the path to doing something else illegal or immoral without needing to be motivated by something fandom-related.
You've probably heard that "fandom" is short for "fanatic domain", and for that reason you refrain from calling yourself part of a fandom because you're a fan, not a "fanatic". A "fanatic" isn't a crazy fan, it's the unshortened version of "fan" as listed in nearly every dictionary. It's one of those words whose meaning has been bastardized over time, like "cuck" or "exclusive". A "domain" is just a word for the largest sense of a group (ex. Domain, Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species). Therefore, a fandom is a group of fans. Liking something, by definition, makes you part of the fandom. It doesn't mean you have to like everybody in the fandom, or write fanfics or whatever, there's no rules for who you have to engage with or how you must engage.
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It's kind of the same thing with Star Wars. People who hate it so much nowadays are a very vocal minority who typically try to shoot down anyone who enjoys any of the media or who doesn't outright despise Kathleen Kennedy or Brie Larson for some reason, even though she's not associated with Star Wars at all, to the point where they appear as a majority. Look how popular Quartering and G+G are. It's not hard to look at them like a majority because the general perception of Star Wars fans are dudebro nerds who give too much of a shit about the series.
Kind of the same thing with Steven Universe. Its community, for lack of a better phrase, can kind of be represented by the stereotypical blue haired feminist who thinks it's OK to send death threats to someone who draw art of a fat character with a thinner stomach, and that's become the general perception of Steven Universe fans. It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.
I totally agree with you, fandoms typically shouldn't represent the entirety of a fanbase. I suppose I'd blame the pervasive behavior they tend to exhibit that gives people the impression that they're something more than a fringe group of douchebags saying and doing dumb shit.
starborn427614
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It's easy to blame an entire fanbase for something rather than focus on individuals. It's a fairly hacky thing to do, but then again I'm guilty of this behaviour too so I have no leg to stand on morally here.
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Yes. All that demi, sapio, greyace bullshit is just nonsense straight people make up to feel special.