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Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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Like with getting one of the vaccines?
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I hope you are right and I hope new variants don't cause any harm, its just super easy to say we are out of the woods when most experts think otherwise. Hopefully herd immunity kicks in before the original vaccines and anti-bodies from prior bouts diminish in effectiveness. I don't know how random people on the internet are more certain than experts with the Just trust me bro argument. It seems more like well I know how I feel and if you think otherwise you and the people actually doing research on the shit are retards. At least I am trying to be honest and a bit self aware of the situation fielding multiple potential outcomes without acting like I was the one who engineered the virus so I know matter of fact how it will play out with certainty. I highly doubt even if the virus was known about that they could predict the outcome on a billion or greater infected scale. Seems risky to assume an outcome with this level of spread and magnitude.
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The experts don't have some sort of unified view on this, regardless of what the democrats present. Just because you see a very curated view of expert opinion doesn't mean that is the consensus for expert opinion.
Bosmadden
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Seriously? Go trawl through the CDC website and check out the demographic information. This is government produced data so you must 100% believe it.
85% of those who die of Covid have a BMI>45. You want to hand out vaccines that haven't gone through proper Stage 1, let alone Stage 3, clinical trials? Well inject the fat fucks in our population because statistically speaking they're the only ones at risk from the lab virus.
People believe all kinds of stupid shit because the talking man on tee vee tells them so even though it's incredibly easy to view the actual data on incidence, mortality and co-morbidity.
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Why the fuck am I bothering arguing to people that catching a not fully understood lab disease that is coming out of a competing world power seems like a poor life decision. This shit should not pass the bullshit meter of any reasonably rational person yet people defend it. It is honestly baffling that saving face on an obscure online forum is more important then admitting the whole thing is not worth touching with a 10 foot pole. Instead you are trying to recruit people to your side that the concept of contracting a potentially lab borne illness is the correct choice. Really I do not have much more to say other then that.
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Because you're going to catch it no matter what. People like you have long run out of room to say it's "not fully understood." Shit, a lot of diseases are "not fully understood," that's why we still research common diseases like the flu.
Anyone under 50 who isn't a tub of lard has nothing to fear from the virus and has a greater chance of negative side effects from the vaccine. Like why the fuck should I want a vaccine that will make me sick for a few days, you know, the exact same as the virus will? And there's a lot more "we don't know" about the vaccine, like the long-term side effects. What are they? Who knows. Probably not as bad as some vaccine doomers say, but I still don't care to find out. I'll get my antibodies the natural way.
So yes, unironically, bring on the fucking lab virus, it's better than a shitty vaccine.
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Factually wrong. Again the argument of vaccines being more dangerous then the disease does not correlate with the data.
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And what data do you base your worry on some sort of long-term effect of the disease on? You do not get to argue something with literally no data that supports it, then claim someone else is wrong because their information doesn't correlate to the data.
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Look dude just get the Lab disease its easier then explaining to you how shit works.
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I.... already had it. I said so earlier, do keep up.
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Even your fellow COVID-19[84] worshippers on Reddit will gladly tell you things like "healthy and fit college student, took the vaccine, never felt so sick in my life" and there's worrying studies about rare side effects such as myocarditis (researchers believe this is an autoimmune issue like we were warned the vaccines would cause) and other symptoms that don't go away for months. I'm not a woman, but the side effects on women's periods are also something to consider since who knows what else the vaccines might do. It seems also like the amount of "healthy young adult drops dead after getting vaccination" articles are about the same as "healthy young adult drops dead from COVID-19" except possibly even worse since some of these "healthy young adults" actually are healthy and not hamplanets.
Yes, you'll probably be safe if you get the vaccine and for the elderly and obese your risk is less than from the virus, but for anyone healthy under 50 you're on the safer side if you let nature take its course than inject yourself with "emergency authorization" vaccines that use experimental medicine. Don't be a lab rat, get the lab virus because at the end of the day, it's just a coronavirus, even if it's a totally unnatural one, and every single human alive besides infants have caught a coronavirus before.
I'm still really disappointed I haven't had the Chinese lab virus yet BTW. Gotta do my part so we can all reach herd immunity.
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It's June 3rd in year two of this dumbassery, and people are still out here thinking COVID was created by witches.
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Ontario is definitely going to beat most other developed nations in the regards of how long we can drag on the nonsense. Again though, most people that I have spoken to seem to believe in the validity of the mRNA gene therapies. Despite only parroting their assertions off of corporate media and tech. Challenge anyone with actual studies or data and the look of amazement never ends.
Probably why they are post hast are trying to do a mix and match with the main vaccines in certain situations. In certain respects this validates their entire lockdown strategy to begin with, in regards of administering the jab. A couple of people I have already heard from have had some complications/side effects from the vaccines. Hence its not something that is a big secret at this stage. The mix and match will be interesting to watch, especially in regards to the rushed vaccination campaign. I've given up on the idea of having any type of normal until 2022. Even then at this stage, is probably better to start eyeballing some nice American states to move to once this shit is over, after I'm done community college of course.
Real estate is shit in this country, and I honestly don't see the economy having any recovery post COVID until mid decade at this stage. One thing about this entire situation is that now Americans can see what Canada actually is, opposed to the popular perception by lower form apes. Inflation is nuts, every month between energy costs jumping up, and food going through the ceiling spells bad times. The job market is practically non existent these days and with the pajets infesting this country. Sad to say that there ain't jack shit that is going to be left when this is all over. What happens when you, "trust the science TM."
I'm not worried personally because I didn't make the mistake like so many others, like getting any type of property in this economy. On top of finding ways of making side cash, and saving the crumbs I can save from my unemployment into non taxable assets such as PM. Also deciding to get into programming was smart on my end, considering that there are some government incentives that have really opened up during the bullshit for that sector of the economy. Though I feel bad for those that let themselves believe that life will ever resemble what it was pre-pandemic. So many businesses ended up getting wiped off the map, it's insane. The homeless and junky situation has ended up getting a lot worse than I remember it. These are real things people continue to ignore, despite the devistation that I have seen around me.
I never thought I would live in a dictatorship, brought in by a bad cold. Though, here we are! But I have a degree of confidence in most people around me, considering that as the fear mongering is starting not to work on normies like it did this time last year. Maybe there could be some hope in regards in the restoration of the democratic process, to avoid this situation ever to happen again. In this country they have strong armed businesses into enforcing the bullshit, with threat of losing fucking everything. Not much any of us can do sadly in this country.
Probably why they are post hast are trying to do a mix and match with the main vaccines in certain situations. In certain respects this validates their entire lockdown strategy to begin with, in regards of administering the jab. A couple of people I have already heard from have had some complications/side effects from the vaccines. Hence its not something that is a big secret at this stage. The mix and match will be interesting to watch, especially in regards to the rushed vaccination campaign. I've given up on the idea of having any type of normal until 2022. Even then at this stage, is probably better to start eyeballing some nice American states to move to once this shit is over, after I'm done community college of course.
Real estate is shit in this country, and I honestly don't see the economy having any recovery post COVID until mid decade at this stage. One thing about this entire situation is that now Americans can see what Canada actually is, opposed to the popular perception by lower form apes. Inflation is nuts, every month between energy costs jumping up, and food going through the ceiling spells bad times. The job market is practically non existent these days and with the pajets infesting this country. Sad to say that there ain't jack shit that is going to be left when this is all over. What happens when you, "trust the science TM."
I'm not worried personally because I didn't make the mistake like so many others, like getting any type of property in this economy. On top of finding ways of making side cash, and saving the crumbs I can save from my unemployment into non taxable assets such as PM. Also deciding to get into programming was smart on my end, considering that there are some government incentives that have really opened up during the bullshit for that sector of the economy. Though I feel bad for those that let themselves believe that life will ever resemble what it was pre-pandemic. So many businesses ended up getting wiped off the map, it's insane. The homeless and junky situation has ended up getting a lot worse than I remember it. These are real things people continue to ignore, despite the devistation that I have seen around me.
I never thought I would live in a dictatorship, brought in by a bad cold. Though, here we are! But I have a degree of confidence in most people around me, considering that as the fear mongering is starting not to work on normies like it did this time last year. Maybe there could be some hope in regards in the restoration of the democratic process, to avoid this situation ever to happen again. In this country they have strong armed businesses into enforcing the bullshit, with threat of losing fucking everything. Not much any of us can do sadly in this country.
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I did not realize it was THAT high, you really do have to be enormous...I thought it was correlated with less extreme obesity.
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There has been approx 190 deaths among males 18 and under in the United States during the entire pandemic. That's the number who have died and who have had a positive PCR prior to death or immediately post mortum. Not dying of Covid but with Covid.
There around 40 million American boys under 18 in the US.
That means the average boy has a 0.0004% chance of dying from Covid, in other words a statistical zero risk.
In comparison around 400 male children under 18 died of the seasonal flu in 2019. Not with flu but actually of flu.
Under black letter law, Emergency Use Authorized vaccines can only be administered for serious or life threatening illnesses where no alternative treatments are available.
Children are at no risk of serious or life threatening illness if they contract Covid. I'm not saying that the CDC is saying that.
Nonetheless the government has approved the administration of the vaccines to children 12 and over under the EUA license.
Maybe take a second and ask yourself why the government have approved the administration of vaccines for emergency use in a population where no emergency exists?
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Sadly, I don't think so. The usual "let's be more like Canada!" crowd believes we should be doing what Ontario/Canada in general is doing since that's saving lives and they love watching the Canadian police brutalize protestors. Everyone else either isn't hearing about it or has always been skeptical of wanting to copy Canada.
A lot of senior citizens are overweight because they have arthritis or respiratory issues that makes it uncomfortable to get a lot of exercise or they just sleep a lot because of medication and can't find the time. Many are also decently well off (and get free social security/pension) so they keep eating. And since senior citizens are the main group who dies, this would skew the stats.
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Because what you are saying is "we need to trust the govt experts and wear masks and have restrictions longer because they are trying to keep us safe, we just need to do it a little longer. " But by that logic, there is a better way to completely stop the virus: 100% long term (1 month or more) worldwide lockdowns. Nobody works. No factories produce. Nobody goes outside. We live off stockpiled supplies delivered by people in biohazard suits. Mandatory vaccines for the entire population of the world.
This would for sure eliminate the virus. There are people who believe this. So why don't you? Do you realize that they see your lax attitude as dangerous and unsafe as you see that of us who want to lessen restrictions? Why are your half measures so surely correct?
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I'll toss in another two cents here; I continually see COVID doomers/Branch Covidians and the like focus on "antibodies" when mentioning/speaking about "immunity". It irritates the fuck out of me. Antibodies are but one aspect of the immune system that don't even do the same thing from one instance to another; sometimes they neutralize a pathogen to one degree or another, sometimes they act more like signals/markers for other parts of the immune system; and quite likely act in other ways we have yet to understand or discover. We have made many observations and inferences of the innate and adaptive immune systems, but greatly lack understanding of how it all fits together.
A great number of people (possibly a majority) exposed to SARS-CoV2 never develop an established infection, or develop an asymptomatic infection. I have not seen definitive studies, or even major interest, into figuring out why that is. From that, it is logical to suggest that, perhaps, some (or more) of the severe illness and death attributed to COVID might have something to do with an over-zealous immune response (as there have consistently been studies suggesting throughout the pandemic). Yet, we rush to vaccines to elicit a poorly understood immune response.
A great number of people (possibly a majority) exposed to SARS-CoV2 never develop an established infection, or develop an asymptomatic infection. I have not seen definitive studies, or even major interest, into figuring out why that is. From that, it is logical to suggest that, perhaps, some (or more) of the severe illness and death attributed to COVID might have something to do with an over-zealous immune response (as there have consistently been studies suggesting throughout the pandemic). Yet, we rush to vaccines to elicit a poorly understood immune response.
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