2014-Oct-14 - Thetan's Email

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I don't agree with the sentiment Chris is rolling in money. His monthly SSI is the low end of a days work for a 30 y/o of actual means. His 5k or so in ebay earnings is trivial in the grand scheme of things; a momentary high point in what is otherwise a sad existence. New car? Its still a used economy car. Sure it was a stupid purchase but I have never met somebody who would be impressed by the guy driving the used ford focus.

The focus of our authors complaints is what he sees as SSI abuse. The problem isn't with Chris its with a system that makes public assistance more acceptable by giving cash and EBT cards without really making recipients feel the sting of their situation. Adding bureaucracy to police borderline cases of fraud costs more than just handing people like the chandlers their pittance. In theory the net benefit should be positive with society not ending up with crime ridden slums like this gem 2 blocks from Mumbai's nicest neighborhood. If we want to settle the issue for good then my tax bill for the US, where I haven't lived for a decade, is more than Chris's tugboat. We can earmark all of my tax dollars to the CWCville fund and nobody else can feel like their money was wasted.
 

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I just don't think these people realize how in deep Chris is. In so many ways he is both exceptional and completely ordinary in the reasons why he acts and is the way that he is.

Saying "he needs help" at this point is such an impossibility and shows such a lack of research/knowledge about him that it's actually harmful to any white knight that Chris has. Again, the line between white knight and troll blurs. If they really cared about Chris, wouldn't they not appease the people who document him online at all? Wouldn't they try to find ways to get Chris the help that he needs and make it so that he absolutely has no choice in the matter?

As far as I'm concerned, people like the Facebook white knights are just people who put on a facade of caring about him but actually either enjoy watching a freak show or are too busy/stupid/ignorant to do anything that could actually help him so they just say "chris I don't think this is appropriate" or something when he talks about scissoring on his Facebook page.
 
MrTroll said:
Let's be quite realistic here. Chris's degree is completely worthless... It represents absolutely no learned or innate skills or abilities.
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I've hired people before. Not many and not for very long, but the biggest rule is don't fuck yourself. If you take an unjustifiable flyer on someone and it doesn't pan out, it's your ass. A college degree is a great C.Y.A. for whoever hires you. That is all. If shit hits the fan and you're a total wipe out and you had no experience, qualifications or education... the person who hired you might be joining you in unemployment.

The percentage of people who work in a field OTHER than the one they went to school for is staggering.

$25k? If he could be bothered to show up and do the minimum amount of effort, that's obtainable from being a night janitor. A job where you don't even have to be literate, speak english, or associate with other people.

I've been watching Chris long enough to know that:

A) He is capable of getting a job.
B) He is capable of performing a menial task job that would make him as much as he gets in SS.
C) He does not want to.

He has the option. So he's opting the easy route.

If the choice was starve or work, he'd work. He might get fired 5 times first, but eventually when he realized it's do your job or be homeless and hungry, he'd find a way to do the bare minimum.

Chris is capable. It's fun and a-loggy to say he's incompetent and unemployable, but it just isn't the truth.
 
Chris was adjudicated to be worthy of social services support because of his mental and/or cognitive disabilities. If that adjudication is inaccurate, it's on the board that certified him as an SSI recipient. I certainly wouldn't hire him!

Barb is old and is receiving a pension and retirement benefits that she paid into during her working life, not getting a handout from the government. I think Thetan's correspondent is off-base in characterizing them as abusing the social welfare system, even though I agree that Chris is crazy wasteful with money.
 
I don't think that the problem with Chris is that he's incapable of working, but that he's unemployable.

Who the fuck would hire him? If he were hired how would he keep from getting fired for being a dipshit?
 
waffle said:
I don't think that the problem with Chris is that he's incapable of working, but that he's unemployable.

Who the fuck would hire him? If he were hired how would he keep from getting fired for being a dipshit?
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Like Gene said, if push ultimately came to shove, Chris would work. He's sigh and moan that he was just barely getting enough to survive and have a functional Internet connection as well as beg for LEGO and art stuff, but he'd work.

Even if it meant getting a night janitor job. Even if he got fired from one place, he'd go to another.

Of course, this all assumes that he suddenly has to go it completely alone which I doubt will ever happen.
 
If this were 2004 I'd agree with you, but I think that the job market is depressed enough right now that Chris will never get enough chances to make it work. I would be amazed if he got hired once, but the several times it would take him to get by
 
Chris's employability (or lack of), the inner-workings and failings of the Social Security system in the United States, and Chris's skills with money have all been beaten to death on this board. (spoiler: people disagree.) The interesting thing here is a former supporter rethinking their support of Chris, and their reasons for doing so. I wonder how many other people have gotten to this point without feeling the need to tell anyone about it. As people often mention, Anna is notably silent lately. (but then again her support for Chris could just be happening behind the scenes instead of out in public.)
 
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Gene Parmesan said:
$25k? If he could be bothered to show up and do the minimum amount of effort, that's obtainable from being a night janitor. A job where you don't even have to be literate, speak english, or associate with other people.

He might get fired 5 times first, but eventually when he realized it's do your job or be homeless and hungry, he'd find a way to do the bare minimum.
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Nah. Chris couldn't get higher than a full time minimum-wage job, at most. Especially if he's getting fired constantly.

His stupidity and mental illness makes it very unlikely he could earn $25K a year at a job.
 
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Holdek said:
Nah. Chris couldn't get higher than a full time minimum-wage job, at most. Especially if he's getting fired constantly.

His stupidity and mental illness makes it very unlikely he could earn $25K a year at a job.
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Janitorial jobs pay around 20k per year in that neck of the woods. VA minimum wage is over 7$ already with 10$ per hour not being a stretch if he were willing to work nights. He is smart enough to perform the work but his ability to retain the job would be the question mark.
 
Beef Thunderpants said:
I have to think there must be some kind of jobs program where empathetic business owners have menial jobs for special individuals, possibly at a salary supplemented by the state or something.
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There is one, at lest where I live. Its called "Vocational Rehab". Basically they help people like Chris find jobs. Don't know if they have something like that in Virginia.
 
Chris, being Chris, as much as it would hurt his ego, probably wouldn't be above saying he was worse off mental health-wise than he is. Just so he could get a greeter job or something. Though to be honest, that might be as much as is wise to trust him with.
 
DracoRincewind said:
There is one, at lest where I live. Its called "Vocational Rehab". Basically they help people like Chris find jobs. Don't know if they have something like that in Virginia.
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It's corporate policy with most large retailers/restaurant chains to leave positions open for exceptional individuals.
 
Beef Thunderpants said:
That kind of thing drives me nuts. Nobody would bat an eye if he had a 5 year old Toyota Camry in the driveway, but even a 20 year old BMW worth less than a Camry gets people mad. Same with any luxury brand like Lexus or Caddilac, or even the term 'SUV'.
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Well, he does have a 4 (?) year old basic Ford sedan in the driveway. The fact that it's a BMW "hot rod" is where the arguments that it's poor taste come in, and I kind of agree. It's not a practical vehicle for, really, anything. At least they have the right idea by thinking to sell it. A 25+ year old BMW 3 or 5 series, Benz, Audi Quattro... those can be very economical buys for the right person, so I won't hate on someone rolling around town in yesteryear's idea of German luxury and style.
 
So somebody is tired of Chris getting a free ride. Join the very large club.

Poor Choices said:
It's corporate policy with most large retailers/restaurant chains to leave positions open for exceptional individuals.
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There are twin "exceptional" adults that sack groceries at my local grocers. It's always a joy to re-sack my bread after Tweedle-Dumb has smashed it, and equally pleasant when Tweedle-Never-Bathes hits me with shopping carts he's putting away. So while Chris ought to work for a living, it's in Ruckersville's best interest that he does not.
 
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Datiko said:
Janitorial jobs pay around 20k per year in that neck of the woods. VA minimum wage is over 7$ already with 10$ per hour not being a stretch if he were willing to work nights. He is smart enough to perform the work but his ability to retain the job would be the question mark.
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So VA minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Assuming he worked a full schedule with no calling in sick and no vacation days, he'd earn around $15K before taxes.
 
Tubular Monkey said:
There are twin "exceptional" adults that sack groceries at my local grocers. It's always a joy to re-sack my bread after Tweedle-Dumb has smashed it, and equally pleasant when Tweedle-Never-Bathes hits me with shopping carts he's putting away. So while Chris ought to work for a living, it's in Ruckersville's best interest that he does not.
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Classy.

Chris is fully capable of working. He's not so mentally challenged as to be beyond instruction, and he's good at repeating activities he knows how to do. Laziness and attitude would be more of an impediment to him holding down a job.
 
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