Opinion As a mother, of course I’d be happy for a trans employee to fit my daughter’s first bra - As Marks & Spencer apologises after a trans employee offers to help a 14-year-old girl and her mother in the bra department, Victoria Richards says there’s only one person that has been let down here – and it’s not the customer

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/m-s-trans-employee-teenager-bra-fitting-rowling-b2802822.html
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I remember going to get measured for my first bra in the 1990s. It was in Marks and Spencer, of course, the retailer has had a firm hold on that particular market for decades, and I absolutely cringed with embarrassment.
Honestly, I nearly died. I crossed my arms over my chest and huffed self-consciously; I counted down the minutes until it was over and acted every inch the recalcitrant teenager who hated both the experience and everyone around me, including my mum.

Fast forward 30 years, and when I recently took my daughter for her first bra fitting, I was peculiarly gratified to see that she acted pretty much the same way I did. Teenagers may have smartphones and TikTok and all the tech and street smarts we didn’t, but some things really do never change.
The one thing that has changed, on the whole, is Gen Alpha’s greater understanding and empathy towards those around them. And so much the better.

Half of my daughter’s friends school the adults around them in the right pronouns to use for their peers. “They/them” is second nature to most of these kids. Us dinosaur millennials and Gen X-ers, meanwhile, should stand happily corrected (and make an effort to get it right when we slip up).

Which is why, when I read the story about M&S – the same M&S who boast about being “Your M&S,” which presumably includes their own employees – reportedlyapologising for “distress” over a trans member of staff asking a teenage customer if she needed any help in its bra section, I only had one question: what on earth were they apologising for?
The mother of the teenager in question, who complained to the store, said the retail assistant was “polite”, but that her daughter felt “uncomfortable” with the experience. M&S told her: “We deeply regret the distress your daughter felt during her visit to our store,” and that “We understand how important this milestone is for her, and we are truly sorry that it did not go as you had hoped.”

To which all I have to say is: show me a teenager who doesn’t feel uncomfortable in the lingerie section of Marks & Spencer, and I’ll show you a miracle. Of course, there’s more going on here – a lot more.

The mother apparently blamed the reason for her daughter’s discomfort on the fact that the staff member seemed to be “a biological male” – at 6ft 2in, it was “obvious”, she is reported to have said. To that claim, I will now quote my friend and colleague Kat Brown, who wrote after the Supreme Court ruled on the legal definition of a woman in April: “This ruling also means that any woman who doesn’t resemble some mythical feminine ideal also risks being challenged in loos and changing rooms” – and indeed, this has already happened to Kat, who stands at a statuesque 6ft 1in.
We don’t know whether the staff member who reached out to offer assistance to this 14-year-old child was trans, and it doesn’t even appear that they were offering to fit bras for her. But even if she were trans, she was just doing her job, and doing it well, by all accounts. Doesn’t every one of us deserve to be able to do that without discrimination or prejudice, let alone an apology from our employer related to us simply existing?

Had the person offering to help my 13-year-old daughter in the M&S undies department been trans, I would have had no problem with it – and crucially, neither would she. How do I know? I asked her.

My daughter’s exact response (with the inevitable bit of exasperated sighing) to being helped, or even fitted, was: “I’d hate anyone measuring me, Mummy. Why would it make any difference if they were trans?”

When I explained the nuances of this particular situation, she added a cutting: “Why is this a story?”

I understand those defending personal choice. In an ideal world, nobody would feel uncomfortable – especially children. But isn’t it our job, as parents (and members of society at large) to unpick this discomfort and name it for what it really is: prejudice. And to teach our children, just as we teach them to treat others equally, to be kind through our example.

What would you say if you heard, for example, that a person of colour working in M&S had approached a teenage customer and politely offered assistance, only for the teenager to feel uncomfortable, the parent to be outraged and complain about their “distress” – and the store to write an apology?

In 2025, trans people are under fire like never before. The most recent data from the Home Office shows that offences motivated by hostility or prejudice against transgender people or people perceived to be transgender have risen; at the same time that trans people have effectively been banned from using public spaces, including toilets, thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on biological sex.
There’s only one person that M&S has let down here – and it’s not a customer. It’s their employee.


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I am a Press Association-trained freelance journalist, and have worked for a variety of national UK newspapers including The Independent and Independent on Sunday, the Financial Times, the Sunday Times, the Daily Express, the Sun, the Sunday Mirror, the People, London’s Evening Standard and the Daily Star. I have held both senior news reporting and features writing positions, and spend my time most regularly reporting for the Independent on Sunday and Express Newspapers Ltd (Daily Star/Daily Express). I have an extensive portfolio of work available on my website, www.victoriarichards.co.uk, and have also written my first work of fiction.

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Half of my daughter’s friends school the adults around them in the right pronouns to use for their peers. “They/them” is second nature to most of these kids. Us dinosaur millennials and Gen X-ers, meanwhile, should stand happily corrected (and make an effort to get it right when we slip up).
I don't indulge retarded people, children, or retarded children. Most of the pronoun garbage was cooked up by deranged, sexually confused Xers/millennials and the Zeds/Alphas who aren't terminally online roll their eyes at it.

Doesn’t every one of us deserve to be able to do that without discrimination or prejudice, let alone an apology from our employer related to us simply existing?
In Disney World maybe. I would no more want to see a man in makeup offering to take a tape measure to my teenage daughter than I would a see a female 'firefighter' try to carry an adult man out of a burning building.
 
In a way, men and women live in different worlds. The world wars for men involved artillery, trenches, cannons, camps. Lines on the map. Abstract notions for the abstract gender. Women's world war is against the physical prison of motherhood and children. They've actually only had one world war, and it never ended.
You got that first part right. But that twisted perception in the second started when those two worlds lost their social value, their distinct boundaries, and their complementary nature. IOW, their meaning. The modern tranny menace can be directly connected to those losses.
 
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The Greeks would weep with joy and celebration when they would sacrifice their children to moloch/cronius
I never understood this at all. You read that people willingly offered their children and it just doesn’t make any sense. I didn’t believe it, if I’m honest. Then I became a mum, and I joined some parenting groups and the things I saw there and irl around me made me realise that oh yes, there are people like this. And that the same ones offering their children to be trooned out would have been throwing them in the flames for whatever the Carthaginian version of Reddit updoots was.
I sincerely doubt maternal instinct even exists considering if you count baby killings as deaths mothers have outdone both fucking world wars, if I recall correctly.
It exists. It’s not universal. You can probably divide neatly into the type who would defend the offspring unto their own death and have the urge to rip out the throat of anyone who harms their babies and the type who offer them up for the aforementioned Reddit / societal /molochian updoots.
 
I never understood this at all. You read that people willingly offered their children and it just doesn’t make any sense. I didn’t believe it, if I’m honest. Then I became a mum, and I joined some parenting groups and the things I saw there and irl around me made me realise that oh yes, there are people like this. And that the same ones offering their children to be trooned out would have been throwing them in the flames for whatever the Carthaginian version of Reddit updoots was.
Exactly

And people can be very wicked to their children in general

Self service and ego are terrible things
 
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Unfortunately, lots of women will sell out their children for profit, attention, or clout, as we can see here. I am not familiar with bra fittings or the ins and outs of how that works, but I know for a fact that no mother who loves her daughter would let any man except maybe the father do any fitting or sizing on their underwear.
It is impressive that the largest threat to young children today is white liberal women
The biggest threat to children is brown men and homosexuals (which trannies are just a derivation of). Though, you have somewhat of a point in so far as that this tranny shit only occurred because women have spent generations degrading sex roles and norms because they hurt their feelings. Obviously after decades of women dressing, talking, working, and acting like men, you'd have some men think they could do the inverse, especially with enablers pushing it even further.
 
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Half of my daughter’s friends school the adults around them in the right pronouns to use for their peers. “They/them” is second nature to most of these kids.
Yes, child abuse is rampant in schools these days.
Us dinosaur millennials and Gen X-ers, meanwhile, should stand happily corrected (and make an effort to get it right when we slip up).
No
My daughter’s exact response (with the inevitable bit of exasperated sighing) to being helped, or even fitted, was: “I’d hate anyone measuring me, Mummy. Why would it make any difference if they were trans?”

When I explained the nuances of this particular situation, she added a cutting: “Why is this a story?”
So your daughter has been groomed by child molesters and you are happy about it. Some parent you are.

But isn’t it our job, as parents (and members of society at large) to unpick this discomfort and name it for what it really is: prejudice.
So you are the main groomer, got it.
What would you say if you heard, for example, that a person of colour working in M&S had approached a teenage customer and politely offered assistance, only for the teenager to feel uncomfortable, the parent to be outraged and complain about their “distress” – and the store to write an apology?
100% strawman argument. Fuck off
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If you go to her bio you can see that she wrote a piece recently that defended the "coldplay couple" as an invasion of privacy against them. 100% she cheats on her partner. Probably does some ethnic dicking down to make up for all the pain her ancestors caused.
 
Does bra fitting work? Like you can take the same measurements to two different sizing charts and get two different band and cup sizes. I'm assuming girls should just measure themselves and then shotgun a range until they find the correct one.
Yes, if you go to a proper lingerie store it's useful, it's often hard to gage what you need on your own and you can't see your own back, of course. You get your fitting and measurements and the types of bra that suit your situation, and once you know you can easily pick stuff off the rack because all bras have the measurements tagged on it. Stores around here will write your info down in a small card so you can keep it in your wallet or something. Because nobody enjoys bra fittings and having measurements taken, and if you can avoid it for a few years/decades that's very pleasant.

For that reason, I truly hope the troon who made it even more awkward for this young lady dies from the worst kind of ball cancer.
 
I don't indulge retarded people, children, or retarded children. Most of the pronoun garbage was cooked up by deranged, sexually confused Xers/millennials and the Zeds/Alphas who aren't terminally online roll their eyes at
Seriously, half her daughter’s friends might be scolding the adults and kids around them, but all the other kids her age are fucking tired of it. They all know how to stealthily play along to avoid getting disciplined but the true number of zoomers and alphas who believe is far far lower than she has any idea of.
 
I'm a dude so I'm not exactly an expert on woman's clothing stores but is it common for these places to have employees offering to help you put your underwear on?

I can't imagine that it is. Seems like a tranny fetish dream scenerio to me.
It's usually retail department stores that offer this service; Wal-Mart and Target doesn't offer it. I used to take my daughters to Macy's. A WOMAN (with no Y chromosomes) would take a few measurements with a measuring tape and pick out a few different styles of bras for my daughter to try on, and she'd go in the dressing room and put them on herself. Then my daughter and the saleswoman would choose a few of the style that fit and looked best on her. It was a free service, other than the saleswoman trying to hustle my daughters into the most expensive bras on the rack.

They also performed the same service for swimsuits which are sized and measured completely differently. I'd say my daughters were in there at least twice a year until they quit growing.
 
yah well there were also mother's who would offer their children upt o the priest of Moloch for sacrifice too.

This is just the modern day equivalent of that. Sacrifice your children to gain something.

At least the Moloch worshippers got like, longer life and better harvests. All this cunt is getting is some ass-pats on fucking Twitter.

Who wants to bet her young daughter either becomes a dyke or poons out before 16?
 
I'm a dude so I'm not exactly an expert on woman's clothing stores but is it common for these places to have employees offering to help you put your underwear on?

I can't imagine that it is. Seems like a tranny fetish dream scenerio to me.
American here. Fifty years old.

In the 80's it was. At least, it was when I had to go through it. Many parents--even mothers--need help/guidance in the measuring/sizing/choosing a style category. It was not unusual at all to go to the J.C. Penney--or, for me, Bergners, to be measured and fitted for the right training bra.

Other than that, I don't know these days.
 
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