Bob v. Barb Motivations?

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Descent said:
GFYS said:
I can't entirely fault Bob for not giving 110% (or even 20%) into raising Chris, since he was retirement age when Barb gave birth to failure incarnate. Given to supposition that Chris was a squealing whine-machine, and Barb was a hoarding enabler who is willing to feign suicidal tendencies to get her way, I can relate to Bob being worn out and tired. I know what it's like to feel so weary that you just want to find a quiet place to lie down and die - fudge everyone else. It's not the most noble direction, but it's understandable, and I can see that in someone as old and storied as Robert Chandler.

No freaking kidding:
http://sonichu.com/w/images/8/86/0011-C ... obXmas.jpg
When you think about it, that's a pretty depressing photo.

It is a depressing photo, not just because of Bob's age. In this photo, Chris looks like a pretty cute kid. Makes you think what he would have looked/ been like had he been given proper treatment :( .
 
Is Barbara a semen fueled robot?

There goes that meme about Bob being racist again. I really doubt anyone who had that much faith in the UN could be a cross burning niggo lyncher.
 
Yeah. Other than the White House joke, I've never bought the idea of Bob being racist. When referring to the burning crosses, he seemed to be telling the weens how scary it was rather than revelling in it.

On balance, I quite like Bob. He seemed a decent skin, hardworking, well travelled and with an array of interests (a redneck who loved the UN and an old man who loved video games)

His main problem seems to have been his age and ignorance of autism. Both of these made it a lot harder for him to give Chris the help he needed.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
In other words, Bob and Barb are bad parents.

At least, that's what I could make of it.
Bob was slightly better, but that's not saying a lot. Barb, however, is just god-awful and is completely responsible for ruining Chris.
 
Jackolantern said:
Yeah. Other than the White House joke, I've never bought the idea of Bob being racist. When referring to the burning crosses, he seemed to be telling the weens how scary it was rather than revelling in it.

On balance, I quite like Bob. He seemed a decent skin, hardworking, well travelled and with an array of interests (a redneck who loved the UN and an old man who loved video games)


Funny. He seems decent enough, but it makes no sense why his other two kids want nothing to do with him. I understand completly why Cole wants nothing to do with :snorlax: however. Also what video games did he love? was he really a gamer? Or did he just think Chris' video games were interesting?
 
Scuttle456 said:
Jackolantern said:
Yeah. Other than the White House joke, I've never bought the idea of Bob being racist. When referring to the burning crosses, he seemed to be telling the weens how scary it was rather than revelling in it.

On balance, I quite like Bob. He seemed a decent skin, hardworking, well travelled and with an array of interests (a redneck who loved the UN and an old man who loved video games)


Funny. He seems decent enough, but it makes no sense why his other two kids want nothing to do with him. I understand completly why Coleslaw wants nothing to do with :snorlax: however. Also what video games did he love? was he really a gamer? Or did he just think Chris' video games were interesting?
We don't really know why both of Bob's other kids severed contact. Some speculate the Bob was a shitty parent and his kids cut all ties with him as soon as they could whereas others believe that Barb and her belligerent attitude may of been the reason his children severed contact.

As for him liking games, I don't think he was a gamer so much as a person just interested in technology. Though it wouldn't be surprising if he did like playing, I'm sure he wasn't the only senior citizen who liked video games.
 
Chris once mentioned how his dad had moved his NES out to his mancave as he liked playing it.

I don't think Bob would be down for the stuff Chris played but he like the older consoles. IIRC
 
I think if Bob was a normal aged dad a lot of Chris's problems wouldn't have manifested in the way they did, like when reading the wiki it seems Chris's happiest time was living with his dad in the other house away from Borb and the horde. If Bob was younger they could have done a lot more stuff together like gone to music shows etc. and maybe he would have learnt how to play Pokemon or games with Chris like other dads and had more to talk about. It seems with the Korean Church and stuff that Bob tried to broaden their horizons a little and encouraged him to go out and try and get a girl, even if he hilariously failed he was out there getting some fresh air away from the horde and experiencing new things.

Like when he was explaining about the time he went to New York it seemed he was an adventurous guy in his younger years and maybe he was slightly proud of Chris making that trip on his own to Ohio in the back of his mind it's kind of sad cause Borb is legit white trash and just smothers him and treats him like a caged animal and pulls the suicide/changed locks card if he tries and has a life for himself like Bob wanted.
 
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Crazy Pacer said:
There goes that meme about Bob being racist again. I really doubt anyone who had that much faith in the UN could be a cross burning niggo lyncher.
I've said this before, Bob has said "I've seen crosses burning", NOT "I've burned crosses"
Bob was around the KKK, that doesn't mean he was in it.
 
I don't think Bob is racist, I think Chris got his racism from TV like how they portray black people from the shows Chris watched thus giving a literal explanation of races.

I pretty much blame television on this, it can perpetuate stereotypes like look at Chris and how he sees gender roles.
 
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Pikonic said:
Crazy Pacer said:
There goes that meme about Bob being racist again. I really doubt anyone who had that much faith in the UN could be a cross burning niggo lyncher.
I've said this before, Bob has said "I've seen crosses burning", NOT "I've burned crosses"
Bob was around the KKK, that doesn't mean he was in it.

Pretty much this. I also doubt a racist would attend a Korean church.
 
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Crazy Pacer said:
Pikonic said:
Crazy Pacer said:
There goes that meme about Bob being racist again. I really doubt anyone who had that much faith in the UN could be a cross burning niggo lyncher.
I've said this before, Bob has said "I've seen crosses burning", NOT "I've burned crosses"
Bob was around the KKK, that doesn't mean he was in it.

Pretty much this. I also doubt a racist would attend a Korean church.

Bob may have been tolerant of race, but he willingly attended said Korean church as a Baptist, a denomination that isn't particularly tolerant in other aspects.
 
Still, it's the South. Baptist churches are a dime a dozen. A white supremacist would not willingly go to a Korean majority church.
 
My take is that all white people in the US have been unintentionally racist at some time in our lives, in some way or another. One reason is that the national conversation about race is so low-level. Kids from kindergarten through Socially Awesome high school get African American history almost entirely through the designated month, or with black people as objects of other people's actions (slaves to be freed via war, protesters who got firehoses turned on them, little kids jeered for going to school) rather than people who achieved things, said things, wrote things. Similarly, I teach first-year writing in college and I get people who think all Native Americans are extinct, Pocahontas, or football mascots. My high school never covered the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII. And so many white people have no idea why various ethnic groups have the customs, stereotypes, etc. that currently exist. (My black students are less ignorant about Natives because there's a decent amount of mixture there, sorry Cheroki-Chan, but one kid who did a research presentation, in describing a Chinese restaurant, actually used a shoop of a dog in a fry basket. Fail! Literally, with extreme prejudice!)

Also, we are beneficiaries of a society that is set up to revolve around the interests, tastes, needs, and economic promotion of white people. (Specifically men. One thing we can agree President Obama is not? Female. Unless your conspiracy rabbit hole goes very deep indeed.) Accepting this without question is kind of jerky, but that's certainly what I did all through, say, my bachelor's degree -- aversive racism is the kind where no crosses are burned, you just can't imagine hanging out with a person of X or Y race. I had no black friends-friends (one work friend) and one Asian housemate, and that was it, and I didn't notice even as my white friends and I went to campus to see the Ice-T/Public Enemy concert, which we thought we were being totally edgy, street, etc. in attending. It took having to take a certain number of literature courses for my major, and picking one about the African American novel, to open my brain even a tiny bit -- but I didn't have black people who were outside-of-work friends, or date anyone black, until after college. Moving to DC for my first real job was immensely helpful in that regard.

So it's not the Avenue Q sense of "Everybody's Racist" (which is a song used by a lot of white folk I know to accept and excuse their own dumb jokes or assumptions), but yeah, Borb did probably harbor some racist attitudes -- not because they were in Virginia per se, but because they were in the US. Black people in fandom still get shit for cosplaying characters that are not black in canon, for example. The Wire was an extremely well-written TV show, but at the end of the day it's still about black criminality, not black scientists or whatever.

Tl;dr That's why I think Chris got his unthinking racism from Borb, AND TV, and and and and and. You see a lot of black kids in those elementary-school pizza party photos? Anywhere in his high-school life except the basketball team? Yeah, me either. As the Palmolive commercials used to say: You're soaking in it.
 
Even after all the analysis, Barb is a tough nut to crack..

It seems the thing that motivates her the most is "ambition". She was born poor, and managed to claw her way up from "poor" to "middle class" via marrying Bob. She seems to have wanted love and respect and the high opinion of other people. The last trait is why I believe she refused to send Chris to the mental institution. She was afraid of what those gossiping hen neighbors of her would say about sending Chris to "dumb-dumb" school.

She seems to be her way or the highway, and screw anyone who gets in her way. That explains the q-sands in restauraunts, using private businesses ( Game PLace, Toys R Us" as free day cares, and her smelly hoard of two for one/ half off, treasure.

The one thing that gets me is this: If Barb was a vain person who loved being thought highly of, why did she allow her house to become a dump? From what Ive inferred about how she was in the 80s and 90s, she seems the type to have the nicest yard/ flower bed, have a nice house, and keep up with the Joneses. Apparently, after a while she didn't give a crap. Can anyone explain why that would be?
 
Scuttle456 said:
Even after all the analysis, Barb is a tough nut to crack..

It seems the thing that motivates her the most is "ambition". She was born poor, and managed to claw her way up from "poor" to "middle class" via marrying Bob. She seems to have wanted love and respect and the high opinion of other people. The last trait is why I believe she refused to send Chris to the mental institution. She was afraid of what those gossiping hen neighbors of her would say about sending Chris to "dumb-dumb" school.

She seems to be her way or the highway, and screw anyone who gets in her way. That explains the q-sands in restauraunts, using private businesses ( Game PLace, Toys R Us" as free day cares, and her smelly hoard of two for one/ half off, treasure.

The one thing that gets me is this: If Barb was a vain person who loved being thought highly of, why did she allow her house to become a dump? From what Ive inferred about how she was in the 80s and 90s, she seems the type to have the nicest yard/ flower bed, have a nice house, and keep up with the Joneses. Apparently, after a while she didn't give a crap. Can anyone explain why that would be?
Barb isn't vain so much as she is selfish. When Chris was a baby, all that really mattered to her (and Bob) was going out and getting drunk. It didn't matter if people thought she was trashy and a poor mother, it didn't matter if she wasn't keeping up with the Joneses, to Barbara Chandler the only thing that mattered was having a good time without some screaming tardbaby around to ruin it. As for her wanting to have the nicest house, yard, flowerbed on the block, I'm sure she did want those things, so long as somebody else was willing to put in the effort to obtain and maintain them.
 
Scuttle456 said:
Even after all the analysis, Barb is a tough nut to crack..

It seems the thing that motivates her the most is "ambition". She was born poor, and managed to claw her way up from "poor" to "middle class" via marrying Bob.

And earning it, don't forget. Maybe not spectacularly nor in the most demanding profession, but earning it nevertheless.

She seems to have wanted love and respect and the high opinion of other people. The last trait is why I believe she refused to send Chris to the mental institution. She was afraid of what those gossiping hen neighbors of her would say about sending Chris to "dumb-dumb" school.

As much as I subscribe to this theory, I can't help but question whether the "gossiping hen neighbor" was an actual thing in the 50s/60s, or if that's a present-day exaggeration of the past. I'm guessing Barb gleaned most of her fantasy adult life from things like wholesome sitcoms and Better Homes & Gardens magazine or other such glossy fabrications.

In other words, Barb was possibly fretting about people who didn't really exist, but in doing so alerted the neighbors to the fact that something wasn't quite right in Mr and Mrs Chandler's home.

The one thing that gets me is this: If Barb was a vain person who loved being thought highly of, why did she allow her house to become a dump? From what I've inferred about how she was in the 80s and 90s, she seems the type to have the nicest yard/ flower bed, have a nice house, and keep up with the Joneses. Apparently, after a while she didn't give a crap. Can anyone explain why that would be?

Some undiagnosed mental disorder pertaining to age, most likely. Also possible, as theorized above, is the crushing disappointment of spending her adulthood chasing after an idyllic suburban life that never actually existed caught up to her.

In the time and place Barb grew up, she was set up to have her happiness and sense of fulfillment thwarted; marriage and housewifery didn't seem like her thing, but tough shit, that's all that was expected of her.
 
Barb isn't vain so much as she is selfish. When Chris was a baby, all that really mattered to her (and Bob) was going out and getting drunk. It didn't matter if people thought she was trashy and a poor mother, it didn't matter if she wasn't keeping up with the Joneses, to Barbara Chandler the only thing that mattered was having a good time without some screaming tardbaby around to ruin it. As for her wanting to have the nicest house, yard, flowerbed on the block, I'm sure she did want those things, so long as somebody else was willing to put in the effort to obtain and maintain them.

Sorry to double post but curiosity does call Im afraid :asperchu: !

Barb was clearly not totally selfish as a mother to Chris. She did several nice thoughtful things over the years, including making him an intricate Ash Ketchum costume, planning "fun" birthdays for him, and trying to get him to talk( even if in a silly and misguided way.) My own mother did two out of the above three things for me when I was a small child, and she is a wonderful lady! And Barb did the above mentioned things when she could have just curled up with a bottle of jack daniels in front of the tube and just tuned Chris out. I guess nothing special really "happened" to Barb though. All that stuff may have been the equivalent of putting a sweater on a puppy or making "doggy recipes" for it out of a fun little cookbook. It is done mainly to gratify the owner, who gets a fun reaction out of seeing the dog enjoy such cute things. Am I right on the money about :snorlax: ?
 
^I don't think puppies actually like being put in sweaters. That is all.
 
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