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Bobposting / Chloe Elselvier Solanders / Miss Voice Training / Chloey Hoey / Bob Smith / Huai Ze Dong - Openly solicits sketchy sex hormones to children. Bathtub estrogen! Self-professed coach for boys who want to sound like girls, doesn't sound like a girl himself.
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Why trannies inject Estradiol: "bioidentical hormone in that it is chemically identical to that from a human ovary"
And who doesn't have ovaries and will never have them? Indeed, so they have to keep doing this for the rest of their lives.
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What Estradiol does:
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lmao mood changes, anxiety or depression
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So here is how it's basically made: (will add archive link later)
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- So they inject it IM (= intramuscular. yep, injected into a muscle)
- Initially they started with just 2 ingredients:
1 - Estradiol hormone
2- Since it's very difficult to measure the correct Estradiol dose, it's also difficult to inject powder and since it isn't water soluble, they added oil to it. Used to be castor oil but now it's been replaced with MCT oil (I think that's coconut oil or palm oil, ... feel free to correct me)
- Seems that quite some people developed some allergic reactions so they decided to add 2-3% Benzyl Alcohol to prevent this. (I have no fucking clue if this really helps)
- Later on somebody decided to also add Benzyl Benzoate (40-45%) to facilitate the dissolving of the Estradiol
From vannapharma:
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From OELABS. Label is hard to read but it seems that they use 40% Benzyl Benzoate.
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I have no clue what Benzyl Benzoate does to a human body when it's injected for the rest of your life.
Me thinks 41% Benzyl Benzoate should be more representative of what to expect.
Edit - Oh yeah, Otokonoko Pharmaceuticals now ships without the loli package and labels their products as skincare oil because customs and concerned parents.
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Idk if it was mentioned before, but here is Nerotard (Otokonoko Pharmacueticals owner).
Nerotard Dox (Otokonoko Pharmacueticals)
Nerotard is the proprietor of Otokonoko Pharmacueticals, a "pharmaceuticals" establishe...
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Benzyl benzoate is a really common solvent in UGL hormone production, and aside from all the other issues UGLs have benzyl benzoate is a big reason juiceheads with the money and connections prefer to go for pharma grade stuff. It's not good shit at all.
The gear I used to use had a concentration of 10% benzyl benzoate, and 2% benzyl alcohol. A general rule of thumb is that the more potent the dose, more mg per ml, the more of those things are used to get the hormones to get in solution. I never had issues, I ran very low doses, but some people react very badly to it. It can inflame the fuck out of your joints, hurt your organs, and basically anything that comes with systemic inflammation.
I'm not a doctor, but I would think that the longer you are exposed and pin this stuff the more issues you will face. Aside from the actual hormones and general unhealthiness of trannies, I suspect that the solvents used would exacerbate or cause the physical problems they all seem to have. How many troons complain about chronic pain, after all?
And, assuming that kids who try to transition think like kids who try gear to get swole, they would think "more is better" and just blast vials and vials of this stuff without thinking about the future, because they want to be a girl NOW.
This is not shit kids should fuck with, but the bright side for us is that domestic, i.e US based, labs are very vulnerable to law enforcement as it's turbo illegal here. A lab I used actually got busted a while ago because they were in Ohio or some shit and got caught. Lot's of people who buy hormones like domestic though, it saves money on shipping and gets to you quicker most of the time, so when those go down it's a good chunk of the market. But, the customers usually just find someone else to buy from.
It's just a fucked up situation.
The gear I used to use had a concentration of 10% benzyl benzoate, and 2% benzyl alcohol. A general rule of thumb is that the more potent the dose, more mg per ml, the more of those things are used to get the hormones to get in solution. I never had issues, I ran very low doses, but some people react very badly to it. It can inflame the fuck out of your joints, hurt your organs, and basically anything that comes with systemic inflammation.
I'm not a doctor, but I would think that the longer you are exposed and pin this stuff the more issues you will face. Aside from the actual hormones and general unhealthiness of trannies, I suspect that the solvents used would exacerbate or cause the physical problems they all seem to have. How many troons complain about chronic pain, after all?
And, assuming that kids who try to transition think like kids who try gear to get swole, they would think "more is better" and just blast vials and vials of this stuff without thinking about the future, because they want to be a girl NOW.
This is not shit kids should fuck with, but the bright side for us is that domestic, i.e US based, labs are very vulnerable to law enforcement as it's turbo illegal here. A lab I used actually got busted a while ago because they were in Ohio or some shit and got caught. Lot's of people who buy hormones like domestic though, it saves money on shipping and gets to you quicker most of the time, so when those go down it's a good chunk of the market. But, the customers usually just find someone else to buy from.
It's just a fucked up situation.
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archive: https://archive.ph/nXeyjIdk if it was mentioned before, but here is Nerotard (Otokonoko Pharmacueticals owner).
(archive it please, I can't do it right now as archive.md is getting ddosed by Troons)Nerotard Dox (Otokonoko Pharmacueticals)
Nerotard is the proprietor of Otokonoko Pharmacueticals, a "pharmaceuticals" establishe...pastehub.net
Some more info (I know, this link was already posted here before and I'm posting it again):
Pic related is the owner of Otokonkonokokonokokonokopharma.com
Before the hack some kiwis mentioned that he looks like a quarterback with ramen noodles hair.
After the hack he still looks like a quarterback with ramen noodles hair.
Bonus - A reddit post he once made:
It's possible to grow more nerve cells after circumcision? : AskDocs
archived 30 Sep 2022 11:48:29 UTC
So the same dude who prepares your diy-HRT claims that you can grow back your foreskin by just pulling/stretching the skin of your dick every day.
Jerusalem is in panic mode right now.
Imo we're dealing with a real specialist.
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Before anyone goes nuts. A Benzene Ring is fairly common feature in most organic compounds, most complex molecules in your body will have them. Aspirin has a Benzene ring and so do a few of your amino acids.
The issue is that Benzene itself oxidizes to harmful and hard to excrete substances within your body. These can cause major issues because it can lead to a fuck ton of blood cancers. If Otokonoko was indeed sourcing their shit from Yibai Biotech and Yibai was not selling medical grade Estrogen (they seem to mostly sell bulk) then you have to check with how pure their product was. On their current website Progresterone is designated research use only, this is a Chinese website and I'll be very fucking surprised if they actually have US EPA and FDA standards for anything.
The issue is that Benzene itself oxidizes to harmful and hard to excrete substances within your body. These can cause major issues because it can lead to a fuck ton of blood cancers. If Otokonoko was indeed sourcing their shit from Yibai Biotech and Yibai was not selling medical grade Estrogen (they seem to mostly sell bulk) then you have to check with how pure their product was. On their current website Progresterone is designated research use only, this is a Chinese website and I'll be very fucking surprised if they actually have US EPA and FDA standards for anything.
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For future reference, paywalls for scientific literature can almost always be bypassed via SciHub. They domain hop sometimes but always under the “SciHub” name. Here is their current address https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/
Edit- I see I’m late on the SciHub plug but I linked a different domain, there must be several active at a time. Great site
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I believe the conclusion was this shit isn't even suitable for pets.
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fyi - added link mentioned in my previous post about DIY-HRT
A preview:
Moar here: https://groups.io/g/MTFHRT/wiki/29602 / https://archive.ph/h6fzl
A preview:
Moar here: https://groups.io/g/MTFHRT/wiki/29602 / https://archive.ph/h6fzl
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It's a bit more complex than that, it can be used as an excipient, but it's rare, which makes me suspect that the troons lack the materials, chemical tools or knowledge to use other excipients for the injections:From that Mayo Clinic link:
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"Do not use benzyl benzoate on open wounds"
That's why they have to inject it
Their preparation guide, colloquially called "bathtub estrogen", is largely OK, especially if sterilization of the solution is performed properly. It's good to understand that they are not synthesizing anything, they're buying the substance from China and then creating an injectable solution. Most substances are in their base form and need to be made into various salts to prepare them for ingestion or injection, they need a solvent, which sometimes is as simple as a sulphate or chlorhydrate that's solvable in water, like it's the case with morphine or other opiates that are commonly injected, but in other cases some substances are not soluble in water and need more uncommon solvents.
It's good the troons are much more preoccupied about the side effects of unsanitary injection, which are typically neglected by other types of addicts.
It's still irrelevant in the big picture, and it's still practicing medicine without a license, hence a crime, just like this classic:
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'Lena', the person who wrote 'cook your injectable estradiol by yourself'
Not a single pic is more recent than 2001 or 2003.
"I have over 3300 satisfied customers. I lost count how many times I was called lifesaver, fairy godmother, angel, godsend, saint."
More here: https://archive.ph/hb4mh
Not a single pic is more recent than 2001 or 2003.
More here: https://archive.ph/hb4mh
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BATHE IN DIY HORSE PISS
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I still want to confirm all of it. Right now, I'm basing a lot of this on the memory of a post that doesn't exist anymore, a discord message from Bobpostings server, the fact that the Brazilian does not list their sources, my knowledge that synthesizing this shit is an extensive process that requires a fuck load of petrochemical reagents, and that they likely are compounding in the laziest way possible.
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One thing I think is bogus is it literally containing benzene, although benzene is a decay byproduct of some of these substances. For instance, Mountain Dew still has sodium benzoate, which could degrade into benzene given poor storage like excessive heat and exposure to light, and this is probably bad.
That said what they actually are adding and the main ingredient are almost certainly not pharmaceutical grade and shouldn't be used in anything injected in the quantities they're probably using.
It's hard to know precisely what's in this shit because you have to take the word of criminals buying from outlets that are themselves both Chinese and excessively sketchy even as Chinese go.
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I mean generally Estrogens and Androgens are controlled substances for a reason. Even if they aren't dirty, it's something that really has me concerned.
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I feel bad for the people using these hormones because the thyroid is a bitch of an organ. It's truly a "fuck around and find out" situation when you have thyroid issues.
I'm having issues with low thyroid, with too much estrogen and shit. It truly fucks with you. You feel crazy anxious at times, paranoid as hell about literally nothing. When I have a bad thyroid day, I get worried my husband won't come home and work myself up over it. Rationally I know he will, but there's a lump of tissue snuggled against my larynx that's not sending the hormone that makes my brain shut the fuck up. Not to mention the other shit. It just feels like some trans people are very paranoid about nothing, and this might be why.
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The 2% benzene contamination is likely due to the fact that benzene is a commonly used industrial solvent, ie used to dissolve the precursors during the synthesis so the reaction can occur; can't really do a reaction if everything is solid, so stuff needs to be solvated (in benzene, for example). Because this is cheaply made estrogen and not top of the line super pure stuff, they don't bother to fully dry/remove solvent from the final product, so some of the benzene remains trapped within the estrogen. Pharma companies selling estrogen for human consumption would ensure that the final product (estrogen) is completely dry and benzene free, then double check purity.
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I always hated this whole "teehee I'm making bath tub estrogen" like it's a game to them, which I know it is for the sick fucks. They were so sure they could get away with it too, just look at all the jokes Lucas and this degenerate made constantly. They are so used to being insulated from consequences because they're a pair of slimy troons. Null was right, all the hard work he's had to do is worth it so that another kid doesn't fuck up their whole life over stupid teenage angst.
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I mean it's produced in China, in 2008 300,000 infants were poisoned after drinking milk formula that contained Melamine, a chemical used in plastic.
The Benzene could have gotten into the DIYHRT for multiple reasons, hell maybe China knew that it was most likely going to be troons injecting it so they slipped a little spice into the formula.
Or maybe China just shouldn't be trusted to produce pharmaceuticals. I'm going to say it's probably the second one.
Either way whoever is involved in this whole thing needs arresting, convicting and sentencing to Larry Nassar levels of jailtime
The Benzene could have gotten into the DIYHRT for multiple reasons, hell maybe China knew that it was most likely going to be troons injecting it so they slipped a little spice into the formula.
Or maybe China just shouldn't be trusted to produce pharmaceuticals. I'm going to say it's probably the second one.
Either way whoever is involved in this whole thing needs arresting, convicting and sentencing to Larry Nassar levels of jailtime
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China probably approves of troonery, at least in the West, because these freaks weaken our already damaged society.