Culture College student kicked out of class for telling professor there are only two genders

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A religious studies major was barred from Christianity class at Indiana University of Pennsylvania for saying during class that there are only two genders.

Lake Ingle, a senior at the university, said he was silenced and punished by IUP Professor Alison Downie for questioning her during a Feb. 28 “Christianity 481: Self, Sin, and Salvation” lecture.

After showing a 15-minute TED Talk by transgender ex-pastor Paula Stone Williams discussing the “reality” of “mansplaining,” “sexism from men,” and “male privilege,” the professor asked the women in the class to share their thoughts. When no women in the class said anything, Ingle spoke up, challenging the professor on biology and the gender wage gap.

He told the class that the official view of biologists is that there are only two genders.

The feminist professor booted him from class and asked him not to come back. She referred him to the public university’s Academic Integrity Board (AIB). Ingle needs to complete the class to graduate at the end of the semester.

“You are barred from attending this class in accordance with the Classroom Disruption policy,” IUP Provost Timothy Moerland told Ingle in a March 2 letter.

Ingle said what the professor did was unconstitutional.

“My professor is violating my First Amendment rights because of the fact that my views and ideology is different from hers,” Ingle told Fox News. “So she took it on herself to silence and embarrass me – bully me – for speaking up in class.”

Downie accused the conservative libertarian student of “disrespectful objection,” “refusal to stop talking out of turn,” “angry outbursts in response to being required to listen to a trans speaker discuss the reality of white male privilege and sexism,” and “disrespectful references to the validity of trans identity and experience.”

Ingle doesn’t see this as a transgender, women’s rights, or wage issue, but rather as free speech and an example of the constant misuse of intellectual power at universities.

“It is my firmest belief that every human being has the freedom and right to identify, dress, and represent oneself as they see fit,” Ingle said. “I think this is all an attempt to silence my views personally because they contradict the ones she pushes in class so evidently.”

Ingle objected to Downie’s “overall abuse” as a professor “indoctrinating” students because she won’t listen to the other side of a controversial argument.

“You can’t say that anecdotal evidence is fact,” Ingle said. “My professor pretty much just tried to shut me up because she was just letting women speak. I brought up the fact that biologists don’t agree that there’s more than two genders and I said the wage gap she’s referring to – 77 cents on the dollar – that even the New York Times debunked that.”

Downie and Ingle had an AIB hearing Friday, with a ruling set for March 19.

If the board rules against Ingle, he won’t graduate in May. Regardless, he plans on someday becoming a professor.

“When you see that kind of misuse of intellectual power, you want to be the person that comes back and does it responsibly and with morals,” Ingle said. “Instead of being the purveyor of your ideology, you can be an educator.”

The university was unable to comment due to student education records, and Downie did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
 
Since we have no testimony from anyone else in the classroom at the time, there's no easy way to interpret this conflict.

In general the professor seems like the usual type of domineering gender studies type and the student is possibly a chronic shitlord. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Echoing the question of what "the validity of the trans identity and experience" has to do with a religion class.

I'm leaning towards 'making shit up to make the CISHET WHITE MALE look worse than he is' myself. We all know about how SJWs love to try to wreck the lives of dissenters.
 
Since we have no testimony from anyone else in the classroom at the time, there's no easy way to interpret this conflict.
In general the professor seems like the usual type of domineering gender studies type and the student is possibly a chronic shitlord. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Echoing the question of what "the validity of the trans identity and experience" has to do with a religion class.
In particular "When no women in the class said anything, Ingle spoke up, challenging the professor on biology and the gender wage gap." sounds fairly true to life. Normal human beings don't respond well to stupid bullshit shoved down their throats, or more accurately, respond to it at all.
The kid does seem to have been inundated in the social conflict already (aware of wage gap myth, frustrated by gender newspeak) and being forced to sit through boring propaganda is much more palatable when it makes you absolutely livid.
I spent a good twenty minute crawling databases for a succinct analysis that could corroborate the idea that people begin to ignore excessive or boring propaganda but, to my amazement, that research has apparently never been done. It does answer a lot of questions about why socjus types try this brand of indoctrination over and over again, at least. Here are some proximal sources that somewhat explain the concept.
 
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The problem is, while you are sitting back and rolling your eyes, eager impressionable students who see Professors words as undisputed gospel are eating it up.
This is why you spend a year or two in Community College to a) save a few bucks and b) develop the same cynicism towards the material your burnt-out, bitter profs have.
 
Well her Rate My Professors page is busy, and even has a few white knights.
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in response to being required to listen to a trans speaker discuss the reality of white male privilege and sexism,”

This, this crap here. Almost every damn time some wrong-thinker says that there are only 2 genders, social justice tards will point at a trans person as if their mere existence will prove the dissenter wrong. But why though? Trans people aren't some magical third gender. They are a person that transitions from one specific gender, to the other damn specific gender. They are still playing with only two fucking genders, even if we were to take their point of view into consideration they only help to confirm the gender binary.
 
This, this crap here. Almost every damn time some wrong-thinker says that there are only 2 genders, social justice tards will point at a trans person as if their mere existence will prove the dissenter wrong. But why though? Trans people aren't some magical third gender. They are a person that transitions from one specific gender, to the other damn specific gender. They are still playing with only two fucking genders, even if we were to take their point of view into consideration they only help to confirm the gender binary.

I suppose then they'd point out "genderqueer" people, which shouldn't be a legally distinct gender due to how grey of an area it is and how much power it gives to people to shout down others for not using the right pronouns and such.
 
I have 10 tendies that say that while the professor was vindictive, the student was probably not voicing his views in a polite and respectful way and has a history of disrupting class.
If you have ever taken a philosophy class you would know that shit is normal, and is best dealt with by empowering other students to tell the loudmouth one to shut up, or humiliate the student with your superior grasp of the class material. Alternately, everyone can get a chance to say their beliefs if they want and then it's fair and out of the way. People who believe in a million genders know their position is impossible to argue coherently so they try to silence or ban everyone who disagrees. It's fucking pathetic. As if the question of the number of genders is somehow unspeakable compared to classes that tackle the ethics of medical euthanasia or forced organ donation. College is supposed to be for adults y'all
 
If you have ever taken a philosophy class you would know that shit is normal, and is best dealt with by empowering other students to tell the loudmouth one to shut up, or humiliate the student with your superior grasp of the class material. Alternately, everyone can get a chance to say their beliefs if they want and then it's fair and out of the way. People who believe in a million genders know their position is impossible to argue coherently so they try to silence or ban everyone who disagrees. It's fucking pathetic. As if the question of the number of genders is somehow unspeakable compared to classes that tackle the ethics of medical euthanasia or forced organ donation. College is supposed to be for adults y'all

This reminds me of the great Six Feet Under scene with Brenda where she sits through a college class and then quickly leaves because fuckthisshit.
 
So this guy might not graduate this year because of wrongthink?

Downie accused the conservative libertarian student of “disrespectful objection,” “refusal to stop talking out of turn,” “angry outbursts in response to being required to listen to a trans speaker discuss the reality of white male privilege and sexism,” and “disrespectful references to the validity of trans identity and experience.”

You will sit down, shut up and listen to a man in a dress educate you on male privilege or you will not be graduating with the rest of your peers.

This is higher education these days. Kids, just learn to fix cars or water heaters or something.
 
While it could be that either side is completely to blame, my (limited) experience with prof/student issues escalating is they're both overly opinionated douchebags that don't know when to quit.

Have a professor you disagree with? Visit them during office hours and explain your objection in a measured, reasonable way. That may get some concessions, or at least establish what will fly and what won't. Then you can decide if you want to take it above their head, which has its own risks. If you do, record any further conversation you have with the prof and those above them.

If you argue with an ideologue/activist prof in class, you're asking for trouble. They can abuse their power if they feel slighted. Take it as a life lesson in dealing with morons and douchebags in positions of power, it won't be the last time you have to do it.
 
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I had to take a "Classroom Equity and Diversity" course my final year of college. The professor pushed the whole "trigger warning" policy down our throats. The repercussions of saying anything mildly against the SJW narrative was to be asked to leave the room, and probably have a talk with the dean. This class infuriated me to no end. I came close myself to being removed after I challenged her idea that "down syndrome" should be renamed "Prince Charming syndrome" and that "foreigner" was a microagression and should instead be called "internationals". So, I can 100 percent believe this kid simply made a statement and this retard professer was so triggered she thought she was literally being raped and claimed he was having an "outburst".
 
Honestly this is a great example of why you just sit down, keep quiet, do the course work and get out with a good grade. You can rate the professor negatively afterward on RMP and spread the word, but college is too expensive and time consuming to risk fucking it up by turning the class into a battleground just because the professor is making you listen to some stupid shit.

Obviously this is not ideal; professors should encourage discussion and differing ideas (and I think there are still quite a few of them out there, and thank goodness for that). But I think when you realize there is nothing to be gained from arguing with a professor other than you getting punished, you need to recognize that you are in an extremely disadvantageous position and back down, and above all keep the situation from escalating into something that can hurt your chance at graduating. Its shitty, but that's how the system is set up, unfortunately.

Its amusing that this class is about privilege, though, because college professors have so much power to fuck over students that it isn't even funny. She should recognize her own privilege of not being at risk of getting punished for choosing to participate in class.
 
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