#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Wise Man]

In other words, I can do this just fine without them, not so the other way around.

Hey Mike, look at this phallus was your best content and you know it.

So yes, I'm definitely a martyr. A Christ figure.

Like Jim Jones.​
	Really, CG's numbers aren't bad as far as cults go.​

As someone who is an outsider and largely uninformed regarding CG shenanigans, but still interested, I feel compelled to point out that it is NOT a good look for certain KF members to throw sand in the face of someone who has clearly been bilked and would like a bit of sympathy. It's a form of victim blaming and does no one any favors, whatsoever. At the very least, it reveals who can (and can't) be trusted within CG for those thinking of seeking similar alliances.

You don't see this in the Weeb Wars forum, where Vic enjoys almost unanimous support due to facts instead of insinuations. I don't know why (some) people think it's acceptable here, especially since there's a lot of cultural overlap between comics and anime.

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Look here Fat, Nasser getting kicked is his whole shtick.

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[FROG]

@FROG "Alan Moore didn't tell stories because he did draw. pleb, I drew forty or fifty comic books for DC over thirty years!"

Hey Mike, look at this phallus was your best content and you know it.




Like Jim Jones.

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Yep and yep.

 

[CapeKnight]

Hitchcock turned that into a film. We would refer to Alfred Hitchcock here as the storyteller, not the screenwriter or novelist. EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T WRITE THE STORY.

Nah, we'd call him the translator. That's all a director's job is, to translate the written words into scenes. If this was even a serious point, then even actors can be considered storytellers since certain directors allow them to come up with voices and characterizations for the character they're acting as. An editor is the one who really chops it up in the editing process and writes the final draft of the story (which of course, you wouldn't know about since you clearly don't have one). Funny you'd throw out this comparison, which isn't even an accurate one.

Stop embarrassing yourself thinking you're some kind of higher art appreciator and know the "lInGo" of shit when you can't even pace shit properly. You're just an autograph hound obsessed with celebrity culture, not the artform.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

So yes, I'm definitely a martyr. A Christ figure.

A martyr of your own destruction.

 

[Brother Maynard]

"It's clear by Mike's absence on my show, and our relative success levels apart from one another, that one of us was helping the other big time.

In other words, I can do this just fine without them, not so the other way around."

Doug just broke 280k on bfb2. He's fine. We won't really know how Mike does until Lonestar 3 launches.

Your channel, and the entirety of CG flat lined when you lost Mike Doug Edwin Elliot Cridious Shearer... Socialblade don't lie.. You lost the Evangelical personalities all in like two weeks. Which, logically, means you lost evangelical fans too.. Considering you sold CG to them as a place they could have allies, then you turned face and stabbed them all in the back for holding biblical beliefs... maybe they helped you a lot more than you've given them credit for.

Food for thought.

 

[A nameless trool]

Nah, we'd call him the translator. That's all a director's job is, to translate the written words into scenes. If this was even a serious point, then even actors can be considered storytellers since certain directors allow them to come up with voices and characterizations for the character they're acting as. An editor is the one who really chops it up in the editing process and writes the final draft of the story (which of course, you wouldn't know about since you clearly don't have one). Funny you'd throw out this comparison, which isn't even an accurate one.

Stop embarrassing yourself thinking you're some kind of higher art appreciator and know the "lInGo" of shit when you can't even pace shit properly. You're just an autograph hound obsessed with celebrity culture, not the artform.

Technically, @FROG is right. Storytelling in comics is something the artist does.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

In unrelated news, Mike S. Miller celebrated Father's Day today by posting statistics of children born to unmarried women sorted by race.
Based.


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The alternative would be more abortions, wouldn't it?

 

[Least Concern]

The alternative would be more abortions, wouldn't it?

Spoiler: Off topic and powerlevelish

I don't have stats in front of me, but as someone whose children are currently being raised by a single mother, I'll bet that the vast majority of cases of single motherhood in recent years are not because the father left…

 

[CapeKnight]

Technically, @FROG is right. Storytelling in comics is something the artist does.

Not always. Otherwise any rando artist who does his own shit would be an instant storyteller that knows the proper tools and basics to use when it comes to writing a story. Fact is, you actually need to know to be a writer first. Whether or not you write out scripts if you're the one who's also the artist is another story. There's stories of great artists who just draws the story without a script because they know the basics of storytelling well enough. Fact of the matter is, there's still plenty of people who draw comics who absolutely suck at that department, and writers/editors do have to tell them fix it.

It's not a "writers vs artists" arguments I'm making here like the fatfuck wants to make it. It's a "If you don't know a certain area of expertise well enough, and it'll come through in your work that you don't, then you should hire someone who does". @FROG just huffs his own farts about his writing because it's shit and he needs to overcompensate like everything else, hence the constant references and comparisons of himself to celebrities, directors, and radio hosts.

Notice how this went from Donal's storytelling vs Nasser's storytelling, to Ethan's own justification for being a shit storyteller? (Heck, even the lies he tries to spin is full of plotholes) It's Ethan putting a certain position into a pedestal, the one he's in. It's not a secret he thinks he knows better than people, particularly writers, even if you can throw it back in his face that he admitted he was wrong despite being the retard who says dumb shit like "I'm always right".

You're not always going to get a writer who knows how to instruct panels despite not being an artist, but you could. You're not always going to get an artist who knows how to tell a story in how they frame it, but you could.

 

[FROG]

"It's clear by Mike's absence on my show, and our relative success levels apart from one another, that one of us was helping the other big time.

In other words, I can do this just fine without them, not so the other way around."

Doug just broke 280k on bfb2. He's fine. We won't really know how Mike does until Lonestar 3 launches.

Your channel, and the entirety of CG flat lined when you lost Mike Doug Edwin Elliot Cridious Shearer... Socialblade don't lie.. You lost the Evangelical personalities all in like two weeks. Which, logically, means you lost evangelical fans too.. Considering you sold CG to them as a place they could have allies, then you turned face and stabbed them all in the back for holding biblical beliefs... maybe they helped you a lot more than you've given them credit for.

Food for thought.

Did Ya Boi Zack also "stab Evangelicals in the back for hating gays?" Because his social blade hasn't really moved either.

Come to think of it, how's Mike's channel? Doug's? Edwin's?

Is it possible that YouTube fucks around with right leaning channels now and then? Or is it possible that the biggest CG channels have reached the maximum audience at around 100K?

Losing "Evangelical Personalities" didn't hurt my channel. It destroyed theirs. I'm still making the same money on YT, and getting bigger and bigger livestream audiences.

And yes, we'll see how Mike's LONESTAR 3 does. Back it heavily.

Doug's last book was Earthworm Jim. It raised $815,000+ before the nastiest part of his split with CG. His current book didn't carry over any of that audience, having raised $280K.

My first CF book raised $532K, my current reprint campaign has raised $192K, and CYBERFROG 2: REKT PLANET has destroyed all IndieGoGo records at a four month total of $937,000 and counting.

Maybe these dudes should have just gone along with me for the sake of business.

Food for thought.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Storytelling does mean the story the writer tells, but in comics, when you talk about an artist, you talk about their ability to tell that writer's story panel to panel. Ever read a comic and the page confused you? That's because the artist didn't do their job. Sometimes that's on the writer. But there are so many times I've read a comic where a person will say "You're shaking!" but the other person is not shaking. It's things like that that let you know who's doing their job.

Unpopular opinion: Gary Frank is a good artist but bad storyteller. His panels can be hard to follow.

Take this photo from issue 1 of Doomsday Clock. The first 3 panels are of the news so I cropped them out/don't matter. Essentially the page starts on panel 4 (the first one in the picture). Two cops walking through a jail not even close to any of the arms. Panel 2, one cop is suddenly pulled from behind yet somehow he's in the hands of an inmate in panel 3? Then he's being punched while somehow still held onto by the inmate? It's revealed on the following page Rorschach is the one hitting him... but then whose hand is in panel 2? What happened to the other officer? Is it the officer trying to pull him away from the inmate, or is it Rorschach, or it that the inmate pulling him closer towards panel 3? Because that does not look physically possible for the inmate.

Maybe I'm stupid and one of you will better explain it to me. But if you have to explain it, it isn't good storytelling.

There are other examples in that series but I hate scrolling through that pirating website to find them because all of the strange ads. I own some of the issues but I had to put away my long boxes in a closet because of flooding down here in the basement so I couldn't flip through them for more examples.

 

[FROG]

Storytelling does mean the story the writer tells, but in comics, when you talk about an artist, you talk about their ability to tell that writer's story panel to panel. Ever read a comic and the page confused you? That's because the artist didn't do their job. Sometimes that's on the writer. But there are so many times I've read a comic where a person will say "You're shaking!" but the other person is not shaking. It's things like that that let you know who's doing their job.

Unpopular opinion: Gary Frank is a good artist but bad storyteller. His panels can be hard to follow.

Take this photo from issue 1 of Doomsday Clock. The first 3 panels are of the news so I cropped them out/don't matter. Essentially the page starts on panel 4 (the first one in the picture). Two cops walking through a jail not even close to any of the arms. Panel 2, one cop is suddenly pulled from behind yet somehow he's in the hands of an inmate in panel 3? Then he's being punched while somehow still held onto by the inmate? It's revealed on the following page Rorschach is the one hitting him... but then whose hand is in panel 2? What happened to the other officer? Is it the officer trying to pull him away from the inmate, or is it Rorschach, or it that the inmate pulling him closer towards panel 3? Because that does not look physically possible for the inmate.

Maybe I'm stupid and one of you will better explain it to me. But if you have to explain it, it isn't good storytelling.

There are other examples in that series but I hate scrolling through that pirating website to find them because all of the strange ads. I own some of the issues but I had to put away my long boxes in a closet because of flooding down here in the basement so I couldn't flip through them for more examples.

Yeah, I love his art, but that sequence is horrible.

* The cop has a distinctive face, it would have been great to see it in panel 1, as the two cops rush down the hall.

* There's no reason either of them should have been grabbed in panel two. Should have shown one of them dangerously close to the outstretched arms in panel 1.

* He's grabbed by the collar in a close up, but in the next panel, he's being held by the lapels? How'd this bit of choreography happen?

So many more problems, but yeah, that's a confusing mess.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Yeah, I love his art, but that sequence is horrible.

* The cop has a distinctive face, it would have been great to see it in panel 1, as the two cops rush down the hall.

* There's no reason either of them should have been grabbed in panel two. Should have shown one of them dangerously close to the outstretched arms in panel 1.

* He's grabbed by the collar in a close up, but in the next panel, he's being held by the lapels? How'd this bit of choreography happen?

So many more problems, but yeah, that's a confusing mess.

Confusing, and literally physically impossible.

But yeah, some people are good artists when it comes to illustrations, pinups, that sort of thing. But a lot of those people good at pinups just can't get the panel to panel storytelling down. A good art style only gets you so far.

That was the plus side to working with Donal, before he turned crazy on me. Was that his panel to panel storytelling/interpretation of my script was great. He made a lot of the pages turn out cooler than they were in my head, and that was pretty cool.

Doomsday Clock is full of sequences like this, where I can't tell for the life of me what's going on. I didn't finish the series, I lost interest, but Gary Frank's storytelling (along with the issues always being late) really hurt the series.

 

[FROG]

Confusing, and literally physically impossible.

But yeah, some people are good artists when it comes to illustrations, pinups, that sort of thing. But a lot of those people good at pinups just can't get the panel to panel storytelling down. A good art style only gets you so far.

That was the plus side to working with Donal, before he turned crazy on me. Was that his panel to panel storytelling/interpretation of my script was great. He made a lot of the pages turn out cooler than they were in my head, and that was pretty cool.

Doomsday Clock is full of sequences like this, where I can't tell for the life of me what's going on. I didn't finish the series, I lost interest, but Gary Frank's storytelling (along with the issues always being late) really hurt the series.

That's correct. Donal Delay is an excellent storyteller.

And you're on your way to being a very good writer, if you can keep the vomit eating scenes to a minimum.

Sorry your last comic didn't fund. Seems like a lot of misunderstandings got in the way of you being happy on CAPS, and that sucks. I liked having you on the show.

But, yeah.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

That's correct. Donal Delay is an excellent storyteller.

And you're on your way to being a very good writer, if you can keep the vomit eating scenes to a minimum.

Sorry your last comic didn't fund. Seems like a lot of misunderstandings got in the way of you being happy on CAPS, and that sucks. I liked having you on the show.

But, yeah.

Lol. I'd like to think I've gotten better since that book. But the vomit scene made you squirm and that's the reaction I'd want from a horror novel.

I think we're relaunching, just don't know when. Jason hasn't turned in a new page in a while, but he's just doing this for fun between paid work. I've had a superhero comic in the works since January, it's 36 pages, but the artist is so slow that we've only got 5 pages penciled and inked, and those aren't even finished because he needs to do the grey tones. Trixie book 2 is only 3 pages in plus the cover, because I don't have the money right now to pay Shawn. So I have no clue if I'll launch an Indiegogo within the next year+.

 

[cow-wannabe]

Ethan and Nasser
Sitting in a tree
K.I.S.S.I.N.G.

 

[verissimus]

As someone who is an outsider and largely uninformed regarding CG shenanigans, but still interested, I feel compelled to point out that it is NOT a good look for certain KF members to throw sand in the face of someone who has clearly been bilked and would like a bit of sympathy. It's a form of victim blaming and does no one any favors, whatsoever. At the very least, it reveals who can (and can't) be trusted within CG for those thinking of seeking similar alliances.

You don't see this in the Weeb Wars forum, where Vic enjoys almost unanimous support due to facts instead of insinuations. I don't know why (some) people think it's acceptable here, especially since there's a lot of cultural overlap between comics and anime.

That's because Vic isn't constantly making an ass of himself, deriding those who hate him, or feuding with his supposed friends in broad daylight. EVS on the other hand...

Edit : Also Vic isn't producing late overpriced material while bragging about how his former colleagues suck both on a professional and personal basis which to me is the last straw when it comes to everyone involved in this stupid hashtag. They don't deserve any sympathy.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Ethan and Nasser
Sitting in a tree
K.I.S.S.I.N.G.

First come Love
Then comes Marriage
Then comes Preston Poulter
In a ... Nah, don't wanna go there.

 

[annnanovichova]

Technically, @FROG is right. Storytelling in comics is something the artist does.

Factually he is wrong. Every single creator on a book takes part in creating a story and is a storyteller within their expertise. If Frog thinks otherwise, then he must've been receiving lazy scripts with just dialogue lines like the ones grandad Stan Lee wrote out of sheer laziness or he's just that much of a cluster B (the latter, it's the latter). The fact is - writer tells a story and then artists (multiple) build on that. Penciller has the most to say as they are doing the bulk of work, but even colorists or letterers have a lot of power over storytelling and how the story will be perceived by the reader. If you have great collaborators on a project, then each of them elevates that project and makes the overall storytelling better. I know people like to shit on nu!Hawkeye, but Aja & Fraction's pizza dog issue is prime example where eveyone involved added to the storytelling making it better, even if the story is kinda meh -wtf? Without any of the participants the storytelling in that issue would be less.

Tho it's true, that it's easier to do a comic book without the wrriter, than the artist, if it's not some kind of postmodern take on comics, after all biblical scenes of the altar triptichs can be consider proto- comics as they tell a story in sequential art.

So it's the uj - Frog is full of lard despite penning himself industry veteran. He just places himself as the most important in the process, cluster B-like.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Factually he is wrong. Every single creator on a book takes part in creating a story and is a storyteller within their expertise. If Frog thinks otherwise, then he must've been receiving lazy scripts with just dialogue lines like the ones grandad Stan Lee wrote out of sheer laziness or he's just that much of a cluster B (the latter, it's the latter). The fact is - writer tells a story and then artists (multiple) build on that. Penciller has the most to say as they are doing the bulk of work, but even colorists or letterers have a lot of power over storytelling and how the story will be perceived by the reader. If you have great collaborators on a project, then each of them elevates that project and makes the overall storytelling better.

Tho it's true, that it's easier to do a comic book without the wrriter, than the artist, if it's not some kind of postmodern take on comics, after all biblical scenes of the altar triptichs can be consider proto- comics as they tell a story in sequential art.

So it's the uj - Frog is full of lard despite penning himself industry veteran. He just places himself as the most important in the process, cluster B-like.

Everyone takes part in it sure. But Ethan is right here. An artist is measured by their ability to translate the script, which means storytelling.

Like I showed the Gary Frank example earlier, Gary Frank is a good artist but not a good storyteller because his pages panel to panel can be hard to follow.