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Regardless of how or why he left / was forced out of comicsgate, he most certainly is now locked out of the bubble. He should know which members of the christian conservative audience followed him and Bless this Mess proved that audience combined with "Anti CG" is either far far smaller and/or won't throw money at just any old shit. At least MAGAnificent 7 looks better than that.

He's looked at how much money he has not made without access to Ethans platform and learned all the wrong lessons from that. His genius plan to try and tap into the audiences of Crowder and Shapiro and that will fail. The combined audiences of all those guys massively dwarfs that of EVS but what percentage of them are gonna be comic book fans? Indie comic fans... who play the whole KS/IGG game? Not many I bet. The pool may be larger but the swamp is far more concentrated.



The SJWs HATE ME SO BUY MY BOOK is exactly the way you'd pitch to those guys' audiences. I think people who follow those guys are more more likely to support Anti-SJWism than Superhero Trump propaganda starring their favourite conservative pundits.

I'd have done targeted variant covers for each one too. To sell to each specific audience. And have one all 7 heroes covers which form a big picture bundle.

The campaign is shit. It even still uses the original titles that IndieGoGo suggest in the default template. The story should be front and centre. There should be a little profile section on each of the hosts explaining who / what they are. The sad thing about this PARODY is that what we can see from the campaign the book doesn't look at all funny. Like not one iota. That's a very liberal use of the word. The campaign should be littered with phrases like "will they succeed or will the President be cancelled. forever" "only YOU can save the president by backing the book"

Mike's a good drawerer, but hes not salesman. He'd probably sell better if he didn't have any social media presence.



I'd have launched the campaign 60 days before election night.

I'd have made the audience feel like the inevitable Trump victory would only happen with the success of the campaign. That backing the book would some how help Trump over the line. Do an Epic Election Night Campaign Closing Special for the Superchats.



Thats the bait. The fool who tries to cancel him will light the fire under his campaign. The sad part is though that he's so insignificant that nobody cares enough about him to bother.



The timing of this was incredible. Mikes failure to exploit this even more so.

Had he still been in CG he could / would have been able to get the drama train going. The topical YTers are desperate for shit to talk about everyday. Their models depend on the outrage. And being able to bring Mike in as a guest to talk about the whole Dean Cain issue would have been seen as a big deal.

But he burned all those bridges. And didnt go on smaller channels anyway.



The highest grossing political book on IGG is Tim Lims Space Force on $72k. I'll be stunned if he passes that. Not even Tim Lim himself has managed to recreate that figure outside of CG. Based on his early backers : cash ratio I'd wager that some of the higher tier backers are the characters themselves because having a comic book made about you is a bit of a novelty.


P.S I dunno if this has been addressed already - theres Eight of them, right?

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Yeah there is 8. Guess Mike couldn’t think up a catchy punch line for the number 8.
 
Hm? That seems a little pricey...I wonder what the gofund me says?
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Ok so 1k per page for a total of 5k. Seems to be art from the oringal EWJ game and Cat scratch show.

I think Mike has another project going and was using this Magapide 7 as a quick buck inbetween but with him, who knows?

Man I feel bad for Frog's purse pets, 1 in the morning get a text/phone call "I'm doing a show. Get on." and getting on to listen the dear leader speak and nod.
In case anyone is curious, it's a bit pricey but storyboards and original drawings are very much loved by fans. Considering this is also a donation to make new content I think it makes sense at that price, since it's really just for people who are collectors and superfans. Normies don't buy or want this stuff.

For reference here are some Doug art pieces for sale on Ebay:
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In case anyone is curious, it's a bit pricey but storyboards and original drawings are very much loved by fans. Considering this is also a donation to make new content I think it makes sense at that price, since it's really just for people who are collectors and superfans. Normies don't buy or want this stuff.

For reference here are some Doug art pieces for sale on Ebay:
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Two things here.

1. Agenda.

@FROG's big stick is if you leave you do worse than with him. Wormie needs to disprove that. The problem is, and this ties into two, EWJ carries the massive caveat of being a huge 90s multimedia IP. BFB 2 is his case, which he brought out on OZ's stream, 'I've made more money since leaving CG."

But how he did that is just the sticking point. Monetizing Jim isn't something the lesser scrubs can do. Selling EWJ books and OG art is like having a tier for a cheap plastic box or an action figure. It's a way to pad your total, giving superfans something to dump money on that isn't the actual book. Remove that tier along with the EWJ tier. He's either at or less money than when he ran BFB under CG without tiers for Jim original art or copies of EWJ. It's about agenda, just like @FROG's honeycomb boxes.

2. Really?

Take ebay with a grain of salt. There are speds trying to flip Blood honey and other CG books for outrageous prices on eBay. That doesn't mean they get that money. your screen shots show zero bids and discounts. Not saying that original art doesn't sale or have value, but that value is subjective. I kindof suspect it might be going the way of speculator market.

I don't mean to spend this reply complaining, but I've been wondering for a while how to find an audience outside of YouTube. Either way it's difficult.

You've gotten allot of tough love kid, so I'm going to softball. Sometimes it just doesn't work out how we hope it will.

Look at everbody's coughy Boi. He's in his forties and spent over half his life in the military and IT. Go back and listen to his actual story, hard because people want to talk Waid and Antarctic with him. He tried on and off to publish comics for over twenty years. He went to pros at conventions with his portfolio and they told him, rightfully he wasn't good enough. He had an indiegogo that was...less than successful. He kept making art work because that was a passion, but it wasn't his day job.

Look, this is Kiwifarms. You aren't going to get some warm hug or people trying to make you feel better. It probably won't happen. But if you love to write, put it out there and who knows where life can take you.
 
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Two things here.

1. Agenda.

@FROG's big stick is if you leave you do worse than with him. Wormie needs to disprove that. The problem is, and this ties into two, EWJ carries the massive caveat of being a huge 90s multimedia IP. BFB 2 is his case, which he brought out on OZ's stream, 'I've made more money since leaving CG."

But how he did that is just the sticking point. Monetizing Jim isn't something the lesser scrubs can do. Selling EWJ books and OG art is like having a tier for a cheap plastic box or an action figure. It's a way to pad your total, giving superfans something to dump money on that isn't the actual book. Remove that tier along with the EWJ tier. He's either at or less money than when he ran BFB under CG without tiers for Jim original art or copies of EWJ. It's about agenda, just like @FROG's honeycomb boxes.

2. Really?

Take ebay with a grain of salt. There are speds trying to flip Blood honey and other CG books for outrageous prices on eBay. That doesn't mean they get that money. your screen shots show zero bids and discounts. Not saying that original art doesn't sale or have value, but that value is subjective. I kindof suspect it might be going the way of speculator market.

Shaka Brah’s point was that Doug is the only one that has been able to flourish after leaving CG. And that is because he has managed to meet certain conditions that enable him to do so, such as that preexisting fanbase of his.


Let’s take Quinn Howard’s Tadhya campaign for example, even though he was never CG he is still knocking the ball out of the park because he had a huge fanbase of over 200k subscribers he could market his product to in addition to the CG and indie crowd who are already prone to buying comic books.

None of the former cg and anti cg have Built a big following they can market to like that and that’s why Doug is an exception to the norm in this case.

Basically, when it comes to promoting your indie comic Marketing is king. EVS and Doug are prime examples of that.
 
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Shaka Brah’s point was that Doug is the only that has been able to flourish after leaving CG. And that is because he has managed to meet certain conditions that enable him to do so, such as that preexisting fanbase of his.


Let’s take Quinn Howard’s Tadhya campaign for example, even though he was never CG he is still knocking the ball out of the park because he had a huge fanbase of over 200k subscribers he could market his product to in addition to the CG and indie crowd who are already prone to buying comic books.

None of the former cg and anti cg have Built a big following they can market to like that and that’s why Doug is an exception to the norm in this case.

Basically, when it comes to promoting your indie comic Marketing is king. EVS and Doug are prime examples of that.

That's Wormies narrative. @FROG narrative is that everyone who leaves suffers and only Doug succeeded because he got EWJ.

My analysis from both their subsequent campaigns is neither is better post split in supporters. What they have both done is traded a broader audience for a narrower one with deeper support. These campaigns serve as both surrogates and places where wannabes seeking promotion can demonstrate their fealty.
 
That's Wormies narrative. @FROG narrative is that everyone who leaves suffers and only Doug succeeded because he got EWJ.

My analysis from both their subsequent campaigns is neither is better post split in supporters. What they have both done is traded a broader audience for a narrower one with deeper support. These campaigns serve as both surrogates and places where wannabes seeking promotion can demonstrate their fealty.

isn’t that what you want in a campaign though? You find your demographic, zone in on what they like and give it to them. I disagree on their subsequent campaigns not being better post split. EVS‘s Rekt Planet is set to be The number 1 crowdfunded comic of all time and Earthworm 2 is expected to top the first campaign just like Bigfoot Bill 2 exceeded it’s predecessor in backers and money.
 
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Shaka Brah’s point was that Doug is the only one that has been able to flourish after leaving CG. And that is because he has managed to meet certain conditions that enable him to do so, such as that preexisting fanbase of his.


Let’s take Quinn Howard’s Tadhya campaign for example, even though he was never CG he is still knocking the ball out of the park because he had a huge fanbase of over 200k subscribers he could market his product to in addition to the CG and indie crowd who are already prone to buying comic books.

None of the former cg and anti cg have Built a big following they can market to like that and that’s why Doug is an exception to the norm in this case.

Basically, when it comes to promoting your indie comic Marketing is king. EVS and Doug are prime examples of that.
Building an audience is the hardest part, depending on what you do and what personality you have. For a writer I think it's harder because we can't write on stream. I mean, I guess we can, but it would be boring. Can't write while entertaining the viewers, while most artists can draw and entertain.
 
EVS‘s Rekt is set to be The number 1 crowdfunded comic of all time and Earthworm 2 is expected to top the first campaign just Bigfoot Bill 2 exceeded it’s predecessor in backers and money.
A Spawn reprint is the #1 crowd funded comic of all time if we're including toy sales. Which you are.

EVS and Doug both have less backers and more money. This is because it's a second book and they've both alienated at least some of their backers. They made more money because they figured out how to make more off big spenders and they've adjusted their prices to profit more.

Doug lost about 300 backers, presumably almost all from CG and Ethan lost thousands, presumably people who are sick of his shit like Vikki, Bean, Doug Garrett, Brewster, Crypto and all the other anti/ex-CG people Ethan threw under a bus the day he said 'WarCampaign is always right and has never attacked anyone who didn't deserve it'. Actions have consequences for both Doug and Ethan. Doug left CG with a middle finger in the air and left 10's of thousands of dollars on the table losing fans like J Money. Ethan turned his back on one group of followers for another and left 100's of thousands behind losing fans like Bean.

I know who I think got the better deal there.

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Listening to Oz's stream from yesterday. Doug says it like it is. ComicsGate became cancel culture assholes throwing their own to the wolves for wrong speak about the Pride movement and one man is responsible for that.

When he isn't behind a Pizza parlor spreading joy... and clamydia he's on YouTube complaining about SJW's for doing exactly what he does.

Oh, and he draws a cyborg frog and calls it genius.

I pity the people who still follow this sad sack of shit.

Building an audience is the hardest part, depending on what you do and what personality you have. For a writer I think it's harder because we can't write on stream. I mean, I guess we can, but it would be boring. Can't write while entertaining the viewers, while most artists can draw and entertain.
Nasser, you are focusing on your weaknesses to explain your failures.

That's what losers do.

Instead, why don't you figure out what your strengths are and focus on using them to achieve your goals?

Artists always have the advantage in comics. So what? The guy who made the most money in comics in the last ten years is a writer. His name is Mark Millar.

Focus on what you have instead of on what you don't.
 

Oz Arts - Live Without Liam #16

This stream began with a fairly miserable start as both guests and the ostensible host Liam Gray bailed on attending the stream, the latter on the grounds of beefing on twitter with Frog about Frog not getting people's hopes up with offers of friendship and support he has no intent of fulfilling, to which Frog met Liam by saying he sounds like a jilted woman and "soy". While that was going on, Oz filled out his stream by talking shit about Maganificent 7, which I joined in on, and interviewing random Comicsgaters "rocket simp", "Clownfish media" and "GeekChorus". Rocket Simp seemed fairly normal, Clownfish came across as having some sort of undiagnosed mental disorder and GeekChorus, Frog's personal lounge singer, was suffering of stage nerves being interviewed on a livestream. It was about the 1 hour 55m mark when Oz Art was preparing to wrap up the stream and call it a night when Doug TenNapel, figure of platonic evil to the Comicsgate faithful, crashes the open streamyard.

Doug explained his reasons for showing up - he is doing some inking and is bored - while GeekChorus was clearly unprepared to deal with a mythological figure like Doug in his midst and bails out quickly. Oz though is game as he starts to ask questions about Doug's irregular brushwork technique, leading TenNapel to go into a diatribe about how indulging in the pleasure of freehand inking on instinct is ultimately detracting from his end output due to the absence of plodding and painstaking technique in his art, giving a bit of insight to the constant struggle with sin in Doug's mind. Oz awkwardly compares it to sex versus masturbation, slyly inferring that all this humblebragging about "just imagine how much better this would all look if I really tried" is just Doug jerking himself off while he inks (true). A number of subjects are rattled through in quick order, like Doug's experiences in the animation industry, why he didn't get into sports and his early career before starting his career as an artist.

In the second half of the one on one interview with Doug, Oz digresses towards Doug's feelings of being a pariah to Comicsgate fans; Doug's answer is gossamer-thin veiled contempt regarding the complaints' validity and that "only criticisms based on truth" get to him. The chat gets gradually more restless at why Oz isn't screaming at Doug or not asking more pertinent questions like why Doug decided to became traitor to Comicsgate. Oz instead talks about his own love of animation and ambitions to become an independent animator someday. Finally, Oz begins to question on Doug's feelings of becoming the embodiment of evil in Comicsgate. Doug says he's at peace with the demoniacal role assigned to him; he's labelled as lord of evil in all sorts of SJW groups and at least here he isn't getting fired from his job so it's all something he can accept. Doug explains that he left Comicsgate because "it is not him" but has no ill-will towards people in it. But with the slightest of prodding, Doug continues to explain that he feels that Comicsgate creators treat their customers like "paypigs" and that it fosters an environment where youtube drama and attention trump merit and quality. Most of the chat starts to chant the refrain that Doug "lost money" because he betrayed CG despite making substantially more money on his campaigns after he left CG.

There are some more questions about errors in the past like the BFB international shipping debacle (Doug didn't factor in shipping costs for his BFB campaign) which got Sketch Therapy to declare a one-man-war on Doug and that he plans to rectify this by sending all his backers a free copy of Bigfoot Bill whether they requested a refund or not. Doug complains about the selective and politically motivated outrage applied to him when people like Andrew Huerta do not claim Comicsgate and never released a book to anyone while being propped up as "CGOnly".

At around the third hour, Oz opens the floor to guests who want to cross-examine Doug, first joined by "Well Read User1", a rare species of pro-Smiller Comicsgater. Well Read wants to go over his interpretation of the history of Comicsgate with Doug which prompts Oz to duck out to take a fistful of drugs. He recalls his own mixed feelings about Frog being synonymous with Comicsgate, but says that the principle issue that divided Doug from the rest of Comicsgate was Doug not thanking Frog at San Diego ComicCon 2019. Doug's response was that he had quietly left Comicsgate with Frog's knowledge before SDCC 2019 so there was no reason for him to be promoting CG at that panel, but Frog spun this into a traitor narrative anyway; furthermore the panel was originally made to honor Billy Tucci with a bunch of other non-CG crowdfunders so he felt it would have been an breach of propriety to bring controversy like Frog into it. At some point "Twitless" (a self professed 'normie whisperer') and Dave Bowser (?) join and contribute fuck all as Doug continues laying out his perspective of events in that at some point no matter how much money Frog may have brought in for one campaign, would it purchase his permission to sit back while his friends are attacked?



At the 3:23 mark, a pro-CG defense force of the belligerent daydrunk "Berserk Guts", infamous troon gayopper reinoe and America's answer to Ryzie Lee "J-Money"/Justin McClure are brought in to defend the honor of Comicsgate. Berserk Guts, already visibly angry, is the first to go at Doug, recounting his experiences of being in high school and sticking up for nerds who read gay shit like Game of Thrones and that Twitless is a weak pussy who would have never stood up for anyone; he also wans to know if showing up on the Oz show is Doug's attempt to try and get backers for a new crowdfund. Doug says he originally joined because he wanted to raise money but left because of a conflict in values. J-Money jumps in with the argument that everyone else has formed a consensus that Doug betrayed Comicsgate after getting his money, and that Doug is "living in a different reality" by going against that consensus. Doug finds Berserk Guts' question that at least doesn't deny the existence of objective reality more interesting and answers that good customer relations are good for business. J-Money interjects by pointing out that it was bad for business for Doug to leave CG after getting his project funded and become a backstabbing ingrate traitor who doesn't appreciate his customers. Doug says that perhaps positions are being attributed to him unfairly, but J-Money pushes his assertion that turning on backers and people that trusted him is a bad business move; Doug claims inability to comprehend the profoundly retarded strawman J-Money is throwing out there and reinoe seizes this opportunity to take control of the conversation.

Reinoe's argument that attacking Comicsgate as an SJW movement was "a broadbased attack against thousand of people", to which Doug responds that he considers Frog to be Comicsgate and that calling him a homophobe was an SJW move. J-Money accuses Doug of being a grifter retroactively because of all that money Doug collected before Frog called Doug a homophobe. Doug doesn't really address this "point" and instead makes the assertion that he shows respect for the customer by ensuring they get the highest quality product possible for their $25. Berserk Guts follows this up asks if Doug had gay yaoi experiences in his youth, much to Doug's amusement.

Next up is smilingbandito, an obscure CG Sophist / WC apologist. He starts by asking Doug what makes crowdfunding possible; Doug answers that a small handful of silicon valley crowdfund companies/payment processors under constant pressure to cancel him because of his anti-gay marriage stance are. Smilingbandito sort of barrels through with his "it's the community that lets you crowdfund" lecture anyway but Berserk Guts cuts him off to compliment memer/clout chaser Deadwood Dale on his awesome Sketch Therapy and Jon Malin impersonations. Oz takes a rare intervention in the conversation to query Dale about his association in the Sketch Squad along with Adam Post in opposition to all things Liamoz Hennycuck. Dale is evasive about his dual loyalties in the Sketch-Liam war, but finds himself playing apologist for Sketch though he has attacked most of the people on the show at some point as nerkish discord infiltrator.

Reinoe wrangles the subject away from whether or not Dale is the willing thrall of Sketch Therapy (yes) by pointing out that Doug was in no position to criticize Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney for being 18 months lates when Bigfoot Bill had unfulfilled international backers, to which Doug replies that the double standard and selective outrage to those two things was actually making his point for him. Smilingbandito doubles down on reinoe's behalf by making the ridiculous claim that the two issues were criticized equally within the Comicsgate community. Next up was a question from the chat on whether Doug hates gay people or not - Doug says no. Berserk Guts asks for Doug's take on the possibility of Mike S Miller having a secret gay double life with gay prostitutes and stuff. Also no. Doug again asserts that he made more money on campaigns after leaving CG than when he was in, so how exactly did he "use and then betray a community that saved him" when their contribution to his bottom line proved marginal at best?

Before this question could be adequately explored, Doug's claim that Comicsgate calling him a "homophobe" making them a crypto-SJW movement is brought into question. Berserk Guts found it excusable because the intent was insult Doug and make him mad. J-Money claims the being slurred homophobe as a pretext to betray his CG supporters and smilingbandito engages in next level sophistry by making the vague assertion that "words aren't problems people are". Doug presses on with his claim that 'homophobia' is a term invented by SJWs to frame christianity as a mental disorder and that movements that employ their language are gay rainbow movements whether they know it or not. Reinoe says something about how the spartans were based gays, but is cut off "J-Money" again argues his democratic stance on mattes like truth and reality and that since the majority of people (within CG) think Doug is a traitor it is therefore true.

Reinoe actually breaks rank to back up the assertion that objective reality and truth exist because otherwise that would mean everything everyone says about Ya Boi Zack and Comicsgate would therefore be true. Bandito however yells "no the majority of the people sided with Zack even if the pros didn't" so consensus reality still works. Smilingbandito then throws out the additional claim that "Cecil always liked you Doug" though Cecil now drunkenly rambles about "how I saw through Doug from day one", but this gets dismissed by TenNapel off-hand. Motives for the "Dirtworm Dug" ashcan for Cecil are inquired, Doug answers that Cecil's motive was spite and intent to deal emotional harm, which was met with the panel saying with some incredulity it was just jokes and memes and no ill-intent from Cecil. Doug points out into what a weeping pussy Cecil turned into when such "jokes" were directed at him. Next up was Doug's engineering of the Ribbitcoin fiasco as intent to cancel Frog on charges of fraud; Doug says he thought it was funny to force Roiloup to buy a Ribbitcoin in exchange for original EWJ art, where he took it from there had nothing to do with Doug. At around 4:27 Reinoe is quizzed about why people in the chat are being skeptical when he wants to share screenshots. He feigns total ignorance as to why anyone would be and then rages at the shitposters who would dare impugn his reputation.

At around 4:40 Mike S Miller joins the chat to criticize my number crunching for MAGAnficent 7 at the beginning of the show, stating that 54 backers purchased invisible secret tiers not visible to the public that were available only to those on his pre-order mailing list. I corrected my mistake in assuming Mike only had 14 tiers on his campaign. The chat segues to Ya Boi Zack, calling him "cuntish", and why Zack is not subject to criticism for decisions that are not optimal towards making money; Berserk Guts is getting "mean drunk" at this point and accuses Doug of "being jelly" of Zack's (much smaller) success. It's at this point where Smiller joins the stream. He seems enthused at the results of MAGA7. Oz invites Mike onto his show but he refuses to wake up before 1 PM for peak Smiller streaming hours of 11PM-4AM, the optimal time to build one's platform to market one's product in Mike's mind. The previous tension in the room drains out as Mike's kumquat theft is discussed and then everyone is regaled with Deaadwood Dale's Malin and Sketch impersonations.

The show starts on a new, weird dimension as Mike regales about the CG Christian Fellowship he headed with his program Cross Examinations which Sketch and Liam were both part of until Mike began feuding with Warcampaign which resulted in the both of them leaving. Doug chides "Smiller" for daring to impugn the faith of either upstanding Comicsgater. Even Reinoe is feeling the love and attempts to bond by saying Warcampaign selfdestructed harder then Mike ever did. Berserk Guts and Deadwood Dale go so far as to try and pressure Mike to declare himself Comicsgate again. Mike questions the worth of joining a group that has no agreed upon definition and J-Money responds by asking why does Mike hate customers. Doug joins in asking Mike that question. However this brief interlude with comity is broken up by Dale who doggedly sealions Smiller demanding sources for Frog's reaction to the "Pride is a sin" tweet was based on him saying that expressing Christian sentiments was divisive. This goes on for some bit until Doug stands up for Mike saying that the argument that Comicsgaters should self-censor in the name of preventing the alienation of potential customers is a false one given the silence surrounding Frog's regular offensive and sacrilegious statements against Christians, who are customers.

Dale and J-Money however remain fixated on the argument that because Doug and Mike distanced themselves from CG and cost themselves (well, Mike) money, they were in the wrong. This debate on the existence of non-prosperity based morality goes on for some time until Reinoe breaks the stalemate at around 5:41 by turning on teammate Berserk Guts for no real reason other that he's arguing that Mike should "be himself" while simultaneously complaining about Mike being himself (a "douchebag troll") which devolves into a shouting match between the two. Reinoe gets a surprise assist from Warcampaign in defense of Mike S Miller's right to make political comics as up is down and black is white, the words "faggot" and "retard" are flung freely between the former allies. His/her mission complete, reinoe takes xis leave.

Next on the table is the matter of free association between Doug TenNapel and contact with other members of Comicsgate. Doug points out that he talks regularly with Antonio Brice of Ikari Press. J Money corrects Doug by saying that Brice has left Comicsgate and is "no longer with us". Brice, who was in the chat, states that "J-Money is fucking lying". J-Money doubles down that Brice is not a member of Comicsgate because he got angry during a livestream, he could no longer be considered CG. Doug gets increasingly annoyed at this, but J-Money is incapable of admitting error and is can only press forward in his retardation. Frog appears at this point to give an update that New Jersey is under attack from a storm and half the city is suffering from a power outage and he's broadcasting from his SUV, but nothing is going to keep him out of a drama stream of this magnitude as he rushes home from the local KFC through hurricane winds. He adds that Comicsgaters should be able to make whatever comics they want, political or not, but it's generally a suboptimal approach with a max draw of ~$30K. But if Mike wants to do that it's fine. Doug brings up Richard C Meyer now dedicating his time to political hot takes with works like Pandemic and the Ballad of No and that artists just want to create.

Antonio Brice joins the stream after Frog leaves to clear up "Mister Dolla's bullshit". J-Money accuses Brice of the experience of being a creator having changed him Brice argues that he in fact has not changed and will not take shit from anyone for any reason and fuck the idea that he's supposed to let people get away with lying about him because they're a "customer". For some reason Antonio is concerned with KiwiFarms talking about him and talking shit about why Brand 2 failed to fund. Nasser slips in at this point but doesn't have much to add. Doug joins in and says if money is a metric of success, well he raised 230k on his last campaign and 800k on the one before that without CG so what does J-Money the "dress wearing, juicebox drinking crybaby weirdo little weirdo with a lollypop" have to say to that? Dan Fraga is the only one supporting J-Money from the chat at this point. J-Money denies he ever said Antonio Brice left Comicsgate, which sends Brice into a fit. J-Money expresses outrage that creators like Brice and Doug and Miller that once they get funded start calling "the customer" (him) liars and dismissing "the customer" (him) as retards and idiots. Berserk Guts enters the "weepy drunk" stage and bemoans why Mike won't be himself but also not create apolitical content.

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During the last half-hour of the stream after J-Money was finally booted after ordering Frog to shut the fuck up, Mike asserts that he was vindicated after he incorrectly credits Oz for posting the additional Praetorian DM logs (actually hosted on @VIkkiVerse 's channel) confirm that the CGAnon account, used to conspire with renfamous and other anti-CG SJWs against opponents of Warcampaign, was shared by all of WC and not just Praetorian. Frog replies that he was not presented with that additional information at the time and that Edwin and Mike gave him no sources with which to cross-examine what evidence was provided pre-Fall of Rome. Frog has a point in that he cannot be held to blame for not retroactively acting on information that was revealed later.

But Frog also goes on to state that prior to Mike's presenting of claims, Warcampaign announced to him that they were putting Mike, presumably after some routing doxing of Smiller, was put on "financial investigation" over possibly not being able to fulfill Lonestar and that this gave justifiable suspicions on Frog's part. It should be pointed out that in the thirteen months since this "investigation" was announced not a single scrap of evidence backing this assertion has been presented to anyone while every conservative plug of Lonestar on social media was hounded by unsolicited, unfounded smears of Lonestar's funds being embezzled by Mike (later changed to "seized by the IRS") while Cridious and Andrew Huerta and their non-fulfilled campaigns somehow escaped detection from the Warcampaign Revenue Service. So although Frog rejected the truth for some extremely suspicious allegations, he would assert that it was one party's word against another's and he went with the one that piqued his suspicions less.

Nasser voices his boredom on this subject and doesn't actually care why Mike left CG a year ago while Micah Curtis joins to defend Frog and attack Nasser by smuckling and taunting both him and Mike on the fact he is physically larger than them and would likely come out on top in a physical altercation. That, as a matter of fact, he will not shut up and that no party in the room is strong enough to physically force Micah to shut up. Doug is ecstatic over getting to be on a stream with Micah. Mike continues to push the argument that Frog should have turned against Warcampaign then based on what he knows now because he's bad at arguing until Twitless has to start handing Mike while Frog goes after BeanFromPA who is in the chat.

Oz starts to wrap the stream up as Frog continues needling Mike in the chat, hoping to get these guests on at a future date, with Oz taking particular interest in having Mike and Nasser over at a future date.
 
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Shaka Brah’s point was that Doug is the only one that has been able to flourish after leaving CG. And that is because he has managed to meet certain conditions that enable him to do so, such as that preexisting fanbase of his.


Let’s take Quinn Howard’s Tadhya campaign for example, even though he was never CG he is still knocking the ball out of the park because he had a huge fanbase of over 200k subscribers he could market his product to in addition to the CG and indie crowd who are already prone to buying comic books.

None of the former cg and anti cg have Built a big following they can market to like that and that’s why Doug is an exception to the norm in this case.

Basically, when it comes to promoting your indie comic Marketing is king. EVS and Doug are prime examples of that.
More or less yeah. Doug TenNapel is famous because he's a creative genius with a history of past success. He's a cult figure. People paying 1k for his original storyboards makes sense because he's an icon of 90s and 00s videogames and comics and people consider his stuff collectable and want to see him produce more content with the same sense of style and humor as Earthworm Jim or the Neverhood.

This is normal for an artist with a solid fanbase. He's in a different league from some of the other guys in CG because he has a career of good hits under his belt already.
 
A Spawn reprint is the #1 crowd funded comic of all time if we're including toy sales. Which you are.

EVS and Doug both have less backers and more money. This is because it's a second book and they've both alienated at least some of their backers. They made more money because they figured out how to make more off big spenders and they've adjusted their prices to profit more.

Doug lost about 300 backers, presumably almost all from CG and Ethan lost thousands, presumably people who are sick of his shit like Vikki, Bean, Doug Garrett, Brewster, Crypto and all the other anti/ex-CG people Ethan threw under a bus the day he said 'WarCampaign is always right and has never attacked anyone who didn't deserve it'. Actions have consequences for both Doug and Ethan. Doug left CG with a middle finger in the air and left 10's of thousands of dollars on the table losing fans like J Money. Ethan turned his back on one group of followers for another and left 100's of thousands behind losing fans like Bean.

I know who I think got the better deal there.

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Listening to Oz's stream from yesterday. Doug says it like it is. ComicsGate became cancel culture assholes throwing their own to the wolves for wrong speak about the Pride movement and one man is responsible for that.

When he isn't behind a Pizza parlor spreading joy... and clamydia he's on YouTube complaining about SJW's for doing exactly what he does.

Oh, and he draws a cyborg frog and calls it genius.

I pity the people who still follow this sad sack of shit.


Nasser, you are focusing on your weaknesses to explain your failures.

That's what losers do.

Instead, why don't you figure out what your strengths are and focus on using them to achieve your goals?

Artists always have the advantage in comics. So what? The guy who made the most money in comics in the last ten years is a writer. His name is Mark Millar.

Focus on what you have instead of on what you don't.

now you know damn well people aren’t backing the Spawn campaign for a dusty old reprint. That’s a cheap copout. But it includes a comic, so whatever. I’ll give you that.

And Rekt Planet does indeed have more backers than Blood Honey. The numbers and money don’t lie.

Blood honey had 8566 backers with 538,456 dollars in sales compared to Rekt Planet’s 8668 backers and 1,021,649 in sales so far.

And you expect me to believe that EVS is the one who is losing here when we’ve seen how well the former cg crowd backs their creators. Why is it that Doug is the only one that can repeatedly hit six figures while CGers dominate the the top 25 in the indiegogo boards with six figure campaigns?

So far there has not been one CG campaign that has failed to fund or not been able to hit at least five figures. The same can not be said for the anti cg crowd.
 
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Hey there, True Believers!

Welcome back to another edition of JDA’s soapbox.

We’ve been quite busy over in the ol’ Rislandia Books Bullpen, coming out with comics MORE than monthly since we last spoke. Out on the Amazon Market, we’ve dropped The Cosmic Warrior #2, the follow up to the fan-favorite and CG-beloved first issue, with a tale which will wow and dazzle you even more than the first!

All the stops have been pulled out because we listened to what you wanted – even more action! Artist Cloves Rodriguez did a bang-up job and you’ll never believe how this world’s developing. It’s everything that made comics great back when Stan and Jack were making books, done with a modern flare. Not for the faint of heart! Only real comic readers who can handle the suspense should pick up this book. Issue #3 is going to give a lot of background on the character and take the series in a bold direction, so you'll want to catch up now!

But we’ve also delivered on not one but TWO crowdfunds since we last spoke. Yes, Dynamite Thor, the explosion man, is out to backers. And moreover, the most talked-about book in comics has also shipped, Robotoad: Rekt Manlet. While our Distinguished Competition can’t even get a 48-page book out in a year, we’ve delivered our books in just over a month! Readers are hootin’ and hollerin’ about the hilarious ashcan, Tales from GammaTube Live!

Look at how happy Preston Poulter is to hold the book in his hands:

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If we stopped there, our team would have been one of the most, if not the most, prolific group in indie comics, but we have so many more hard-hitting stories for you to enjoy coming down the pipeline.

Spectacular Comics
#2 will be out next week – featuring an ICE Agent hero! Issue #3 will be close behind, ETA September.

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Flying Sparks / Punchline crossover is done with the art, getting lettered now, should hit Amazon in August. And to help you out so you can get on board with Flying Sparks, we’ve started to release episodes for FREE on webtoon. You can start to catch up on the most exciting characters in indie comics here.

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Clockwork Dancer #2 is almost done with layouts, and we’re shooting for October for an Amazon release – the most researched for historical accuracy and with a crazy twist, you won’t want to miss this.

For our crowdfunds, we will have 3 of them coming soon: The Elven Princess, a fantasy manga-style book by a lovely artist, Deus Vult – a story of a crusader’s search for the grail, and of course, the LONG-AWAITED Flying Sparks Volume 4, which I won't spoil but our early readers have told us it's going to be the best volume of JDA comics yet.

Whew! So much to work on and so little time. We’d better get back to it. We’re so proud to have the best readers on the planet, people who truly love comics, and there’ll be no slowing down any time soon. Together, we are making comics great again!

Excelsior


Jon Del Arroz

The Leading Hispanic Voice
 
now you know damn well people aren’t backing the Spawn campaign for a dusty old reprint.
now you know damn well people aren’t backing the comic when they're buying a plastic salamander.

And Rekt Planet does indeed have more backers than Blood Honey. The numbers and money don’t lie.
BloodHoney had 3 campaigns and over 15000 backers. Ethan is nowhere near that number for Rekt Planet. I'm not interested in where you've moved the goal posts. That's thousands of lost backers even with the multiple backers.

And you expect me to believe that EVS is the one who is losing here when we’ve seen how well the former cg crowd backs their creators.
Ethan pissed off thousands who never came back for Rekt Planet. That's 100's of thousands of dollars. I'd say that was a loss and it was stupid.

So far there has not been one CG campaign that has failed to fund or not been able to hit at least five figures.
There are tuns of failed CG campaigns. Ask @Tyne.
 
Hey there, True Believers!

Welcome back to another edition of JDA’s soapbox.

We’ve been quite busy over in the ol’ Rislandia Books Bullpen, coming out with comics MORE than monthly since we last spoke. Out on the Amazon Market, we’ve dropped The Cosmic Warrior #2, the follow up to the fan-favorite and CG-beloved first issue, with a tale which will wow and dazzle you even more than the first!

All the stops have been pulled out because we listened to what you wanted – even more action! Artist Cloves Rodriguez did a bang-up job and you’ll never believe how this world’s developing. It’s everything that made comics great back when Stan and Jack were making books, done with a modern flare. Not for the faint of heart! Only real comic readers who can handle the suspense should pick up this book. Issue #3 is going to give a lot of background on the character and take the series in a bold direction, so you'll want to catch up now!

But we’ve also delivered on not one but TWO crowdfunds since we last spoke. Yes, Dynamite Thor, the explosion man, is out to backers. And moreover, the most talked-about book in comics has also shipped, Robotoad: Rekt Manlet. While our Distinguished Competition can’t even get a 48-page book out in a year, we’ve delivered our books in just over a month! Readers are hootin’ and hollerin’ about the hilarious ashcan, Tales from GammaTube Live!

Look at how happy Preston Poulter is to hold the book in his hands:

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If we stopped there, our team would have been one of the most, if not the most, prolific group in indie comics, but we have so many more hard-hitting stories for you to enjoy coming down the pipeline.
Spectacular Comics #2 will be out next week – featuring an ICE Agent hero! Issue #3 will be close behind, ETA September.

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Flying Sparks / Punchline crossover is done with the art, getting lettered now, should hit Amazon in August. And to help you out so you can get on board with Flying Sparks, we’ve started to release episodes for FREE on webtoon. You can start to catch up on the most exciting characters in indie comics here.

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Clockwork Dancer #2 is almost done with layouts, and we’re shooting for October for an Amazon release – the most researched for historical accuracy and with a crazy twist, you won’t want to miss this.

For our crowdfunds, we will have 3 of them coming soon: The Elven Princess, a fantasy manga-style book by a lovely artist, Deus Vult – a story of a crusader’s search for the grail, and of course, the LONG-AWAITED Flying Sparks Volume 4, which I won't spoil but our early readers have told us it's going to be the best volume of JDA comics yet.

Whew! So much to work on and so little time. We’d better get back to it. We’re so proud to have the best readers on the planet, people who truly love comics, and there’ll be no slowing down any time soon. Together, we are making comics great again!

Excelsior


Jon Del Arroz

The Leading Hispanic Voice

christ... would it kill you to spend some money on some artists who can actually draw?
 
now you know damn well people aren’t backing the comic when they're buying a plastic salamander.


BloodHoney had 3 campaigns and over 15000 backers. Ethan is nowhere near that number for Rekt Planet. I'm not interested in where you've moved the goal posts. That's thousands of lost backers even with the multiple backers.


Ethan pissed off thousands who never came back for Rekt Planet. That's 100's of thousands of dollars. I'd say that was a loss and it was stupid.


There are tuns of failed CG campaigns. Ask @Tyne.

except the plastic salamander can came AFTER Ethan broke a million in sales.
People are buying Cyberfrog for the comic.

So you can’t say that Cyberfog is successful because of a figurine. You can say that for the Spawn campaign though.


i don’t have to move the goal post anywhere. The fact of the matter is if Ethan has lost so many backers, then why is his Rekt Planet campaign eclipsing three of his Blood Honey campaigns? Why did Rekt Planet 100k when it launched? Why is it set to beat Order of the Stick in all time sales?

You might hate Ethan and play with his sales numbers all you like, but the fact of the matter is no one else has been able to do what Ethan did because he knows how to build demand for his product. People are still begging Ethan to put up more Honeycomb boxes And Rainbow Brute is also looking like it’s gonna be another million dollar project.


what project did Tyne have that failed to fund?

I know of CG projects that have failed to fulfill but which ones have failed to fund?
 
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except the plastic salamander can came AFTER Ethan broke a million in sales.
People are buying Cyberfrog for the comic.

So you can’t say that Cyberfog is successful because of a figurine. You can say that for the Spawn campaign though.


i don’t have to move the goal post anywhere. The fact of the matter is if Ethan has lost so many backers, then why is his Rekt Planet campaign eclipsing three of his Blood Honey campaigns? Why did Rekt Planet 100k when it launched? Why is it set to beat Order of the Stick in all time sales?

You might hate Ethan and play with his sales numbers all you like, but the fact of the matter is no one else has been able to do what Ethan did because he knows how to build demand for his product. People are still begging Ethan to put up more Honeycomb boxes And Rainbow Brute is also looking like it’s gonna be another million dollar project.
It's due to a thing called paypigs and "MaTcH mE bRo~" culture dude. It's not a hard concept to understand.

Not hard to have retards waste their money harder to "own" the haters.
 
It's due to a thing called paypigs and "MaTcH mE bRo~" culture dude. It's not a hard concept to understand.

Not hard to have retards waste their money harder to "own" the haters.

Is that what we call loyal fans now? What about Doug’s fans that stuck with him after the CG split, Are they pay pigs too?
 
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Thank you @Mister Dongs, your summaries are a godsend for keeping up with all this autism. I tried to watch some of it but I couldn't handle Doug's weak insult game and tapped out. I like ya Doug, but work on that banter.

Also I don't get why Antiono is upset that we're talking about campaign. I think the worst that was said is that he was dumb for not waiting until he fulfilled to launch Brand 2 and that Brand 1 is kinda mediocre.
 
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