#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[jspit2.0]

but why try and help Mike now if you don’t like him? He won’t appreciate it and Doug will be in his ear Telling him the wrong thing. It doesn’t make any sense now that he has turned into an actual train wreck in motion. Now we are at the phase where we just sit back and watch.

While it would have done better with CG support, I think it still would have underperformed/flopped because of his personality and the lateness of the previous Lonestar. I know I personally will never back a Smiller campaign ever again.

Honestly, I don't think any attempt should be made to bring him back into the CG fold. While I feel bad for his family, fruit thief Mike has made his bed and needs to lay in it.

Your Gators. You guys think an e-thot eating dirt is entertaining.

Frog just made CG look really good and your two posts just undermined it.

Oh, and being late in CG is now a bad thing?

It's certainly in question as to whether any of the customers Mike previously scorned would forgive him, or ever back his campaigns again.

How long does a person have to repent before people get over it? What's the statute of limits on bad behavior?

I can't know that. Nasser is a test case, and I believe it's going to take months of consistent good behavior before my fans are willing to support him again. But at least Nasser is trying. I think he's going to do okay.

If he screwed you over on crowdfunding, fine. But he has delivered. Which is more than certain individuals have done.

Could Mike be forgiven and receive support again?

I would hope so. Isn't the inability to forgive a cardinal trait of SJWs...

@Absurdity believes that people only support my comics because of my own cult of personality. That's a harsh take, and I don't think it's true.

People back Lady Death for Brian Pulido and bought trash Marvel comics for Stan Lee. Comics has a long history of personality cults and grifting. The trick is to make the grift turn real at the end of the day.

REIGNBOW BRUTE is going to sell to people who also dislike me, but can't resist the concept.

Optimistic.

So Absurdity is an obsessive gay retard stalker.

Honestly. Did Andrea not slip you your meds?

But if he said the same thing about Smiller, I think he'd be on to something. Do people really want LONESTAR? He's an extremely unappealing character, like Mike is.

I'm going to just call him Cryfag at this point. Keeps me from feeling bad for him. Cryfag is such a sad sack you can't help but feel for him.

I believe Mike would have trouble selling LONESTAR to anyone other than the 300-500 people who are already his devoted fans.

Maybe he just isn't worth trying to save.

Maybe? He's a talented artist and he's developed his talents over multiple decades. He's terrible at YT. He needs to resign himself to being someone's bottom.

 

[Rupin]

Your Gators. You guys think an e-thot eating dirt is entertaining.

Frog just made CG look really good and your two posts just undermined it.

Oh, and being late in CG is now a bad thing?


How long does a person have to repent before people get over it? What's the statute of limits on bad behavior?

If he screwed you over on crowdfunding, fine. But he has delivered. Which is more than certain individuals have done.

I would hope so. Isn't the inability to forgive a cardinal trait of SJWs...

People back Lady Death for Brian Pulido and bought trash Marvel comics for Stan Lee. Comics has a long history of personality cults and grifting. The trick is to make the grift turn real at the end of the day.

Optimistic.

Honestly. Did Andrea not slip you your meds?

I'm going to just call him Cryfag at this point. Keeps me from feeling bad for him. Cryfag is such a sad sack you can't help but feel for him.


Maybe? He's a talented artist and he's developed his talents over multiple decades. He's terrible at YT. He needs to resign himself to being someone's bottom.

What are you talking about? How is telling EVS that him trying to help Mike out is a waste of time when he clearly doesn’t want help from EVS? Also it is true that Lonestar 3 would have done much better with CG support. This is backed up by the numbers for his previous Lonestar campaigns compared to his campaigns after his split with CG. There is no getting around that.

How is that undermining CG?

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Your Gators. You guys think an e-thot eating dirt is entertaining.

WTF does this even mean? I don't watch e-thots at all dude. Sorry I'm not riding Smillers dick I guess :/

 

[jspit2.0]

What are you talking about?

Reading comprehension. Useful skill.

How is telling EVS that him trying to help Mike out

Doing what something that isn't petty and vindictive is good. It offsets some the poison critics of CG rightly point to.

is a waste of time when he clearly doesn’t want help from EVS?

Who cares what cryfag wants?

Also it is true

No, it is not quantifiable how an unrealized future would have happened. That's dumb. Dirt eating dumb.

that Lonestar 3 would have done much better with CG support.

If that support materialized under that factual scenario, maybe? The campaign isn't finished yet. Doesn't matter. He's a terrible tuber and needs someone to handle that end.

This is backed up by the numbers for his previous Lonestar campaigns compared to his campaigns after his split with CG.

That's disingenuous. Typical.

How is that undermining CG?

Again, typical. Frog is classy and demonstrates the opposite of SJWism. Offers to forgive his stupid e-beef, apologizes, and move forward. You guys obsess over old slights.

WTF does this even mean? I don't watch e-thots at all dude. Sorry I'm not riding Smillers dick I guess :/

You saying you aren't a Gator?

You do sound like an certain war campaigners who have recently frequented here. I'll tell you what I told them. I'm a Kiwi.

Or maybe I'm not! Maybe I'm a triple secret anti-CG plant here to discredit your gay ass internet movement.

 

[Rupin]

WTF does this even mean? I don't watch e-thots at all dude. Sorry I'm not riding Smillers dick I guess :/

Reading comprehension. Useful skill.

Doing what something that isn't petty and vindictive is good. It offsets some the poison critics of CG rightly point to.

Who cares what cryfag wants?

No, it is not quantifiable how an unrealized future would have happened. That's dumb. Dirt eating dumb.

If that support materialized under that factual scenario, maybe? The campaign isn't finished yet. Doesn't matter. He's a terrible tuber and needs someone to handle that end.

That's disingenuous. Typical.

Again, typical. Frog is classy and demonstrates the opposite of SJWism. Offers to forgive his stupid e-beef, apologizes, and move forward. You guys obsess over old slights.

this is Kiwi Farms, we don’t forget shit, or have you forgotten where you are? EVS has been offering Mike an olive branch for years now. This is nothing new. If Mike doesn’t want to accept his apology, than that’s on him. I for one don’t want Mike to fail, but the numbers are speaking for themselves this time. It took him 3 days to make 12,500k when his numbers would have been at least 30k on the first day had he stood with CG. Now he’s looking at possibly breaking 30k when he gets that boost for the final stretch for his campaign.

oh yeah, stop projecting your love of dirt eating thots onto me.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Mike is too set in his ways to come back to CG. I bet this campaign will be lucky to hit 40k and that’s being generous. In my opinion the Lonestar books are too short to adequately tell the story of his character as evidenced by Mike’s constant skipping around the story points in his first two books and they feel kind of rushed. That and his flagship character Lonestar is as generic as they come and so is the main bad guy Svarog. Mike said in his last stream that your main bad guy should be just as cool as your hero. Well in this case he missed the mark completely and without EVS‘s fan base to help him out, it’s already showing up in his sales.

I both agree and respectfully disagree with you on this. I agree that if Mike's lucky he will hit 40K on Lonestar 3 and that's being generous given the current amount the book has raised. I also agree that on the surface Lonestar is a rather generic superhero who was probably quickly slapped together so Mike could put a book out as soon as possible when he joined CG.

Where I disagree is that despite the circumstances surrounding the creation of Lonestar, Mike has done everything in his power to put in the effort to make the hero work. Lonestar 1 is actually my favorite of the first wave CG books out of Graveyard Shift, Jawbreakers Lost Souls and Cyberfrog. It's certainly not a perfect book by any means, but it does hit all the beats with action, sacrifice, romance and comedy, all the things that a good story needs. Svarog might not be a cool villain, but at this point it's because we don't really know anything about him, however he does have potential. The first half of Lonestar 3 is dedicated to exploring Svarog's origins, so again I give props to Mike for identifying what his story is lacking and making necessary moves to improve upon it.

As for the 48 page criticism, that could honestly be applied to all Comicsgate books, but these guys are only just starting out. It can be rectified with further installments and a lot of the creators are currently on their third or second books now which expand the story.

I don't like Mike, but there's a really good dynamic between us all when he's on the show. He's likeable when he's dealing with Cecil, Jon and myself, but he's a real drag by himself.

Oh c'mon Ethan, you love Mike, you wouldn't be trying to bring him back into the fold if you didn't.

On the other hand, watching provacateurs like Mecha and Testefy get welcomed into Smiller's channel and try to get along like stray cats squatting in a vacant building is entertaining. At the same time, Australian Comicsgate has been on the decline as far as content goes. Liam, in the face of increasingly public scrutiny, has put away his dreams of imposing his vision of Comicsgate upon the world and cocooned himself while Oz's show has entered a sort of dysthemic equilibrium. Who knows what sort of audience Mike can attract if he continues to embrace his more trollish proclivities.

With Liam's implosion and Oz Art's disappearing for weeks on end, Mike should embrace his inner troll and fill the vacuum left in their wake.

At least once a week.

It's certainly in question as to whether any of the customers Mike previously scorned would forgive him, or ever back his campaigns again. I can't know that. Nasser is a test case, and I believe it's going to take months of consistent good behavior before my fans are willing to support him again. But at least Nasser is trying. I think he's going to do okay.

Could Mike be forgiven and receive support again?

I think Mike is similar to Nasser, in that of all the creators who left Comicsgate, he and Nasser are actually missed by both the fans and creators. You never see people in Comicsgate saying "damn I really miss Doug TenNapel or Jon Del Arroz" (no offence @TheCosmicWarrior).

I personally hope Mike does put aside his pride and pain and rejoins Comicsgate, I always preferred his style of comedy over Cecil's. Dan Fraga and Shane Davis make good guests, but they don't have the same dynamic as you and Mike did. You were partners in crime, Mike's well timed zinger's and banter made him a fan favorite on your livestreams. He was the Oates to your Hall, the Garfunkel to your Simon, the Hamburgular to your Grimace.

Living in California with five(?) children, one of whom is special needs and will require care probably for his entire life, I actually worry for Mike. I might be a gayopping, doxing, shitposting kiwi but I still wouldn't wish financial destitution on anyone. Friends go through rough patches all the time, don't give up on Mike, even if he can be a stubborn jackass.

 

[Uranus Pink]

From what I've read it looks like AT&T wants DC to take a more "manga" like approach to how they publish.

The idea seems to be digital first will be the focus with the stories later collected into volumes to be sold in bookstores/amazon/walmart.

Ofcourse I've also read the publishing line will stay but be trimmed down to just the big leaguers that actually make money. * The Trinity and Justice League *.

TBH I don't see this as culture wars/covid killing an industry rather the ongoing death of the periodical magazine claiming more victims.

DC, Marvel and whoever else doing western comics are twenty plus years behind the manga publishers who started getting rid of the western 24 to 64 page "floppy" format entirely during the mid 90ies. And finishing up in the early oughts with Dark Horse being the last one once they "retired" Toren Smith and folded Studio Proteus in DH proper.

 

[CheezzyMach]

DC, Marvel and whoever else doing western comics are twenty plus years behind the manga publishers who started getting rid of the western 24 to 64 page "floppy" format entirely during the mid 90ies. And finishing up in the early oughts with Dark Horse being the last one once they "retired" Toren Smith and folded Studio Proteus in DH proper.

Eh manga publishers still sell their work in magazines in Japan.

In Japan manga pretty much follows the same format western comics do, chapters in a zine that then get collected into novel sized compilations later on.

It's in the West where the magazine format is dying.

 

[FROG]

I both agree and respectfully disagree with you on this. I agree that if Mike's lucky he will hit 40K on Lonestar 3 and that's being generous given the current amount the book has raised. I also agree that on the surface Lonestar is a rather generic superhero who was probably quickly slapped together so Mike could put a book out as soon as possible when he joined CG.

Where I disagree is that despite the circumstances surrounding the creation of Lonestar, Mike has done everything in his power to put in the effort to make the hero work. Lonestar 1 is actually my favorite of the first wave CG books out of Graveyard Shift, Jawbreakers Lost Souls and Cyberfrog. It's certainly not a perfect book by any means, but it does hit all the beats with action, sacrifice, romance and comedy, all the things that a good story needs. Svarog might not be a cool villain, but at this point it's because we don't really know anything about him, however he does have potential. The first half of Lonestar 3 is dedicated to exploring Svarog's origins, so again I give props to Mike for identifying what his story is lacking and making necessary moves to improve upon it.

As for the 48 page criticism, that could honestly be applied to all Comicsgate books, but these guys are only just starting out. It can be rectified with further installments and a lot of the creators are currently on their third or second books now which expand the story.

Oh c'mon Ethan, you love Mike, you wouldn't be trying to bring him back into the fold if you didn't.

With Liam's implosion and Oz Art's disappearing for weeks on end, Mike should embrace his inner troll and fill the vacuum left in their wake.

At least once a week.

I think Mike is similar to Nasser, in that of all the creators who left Comicsgate, he and Nasser are actually missed by both the fans and creators. You never see people in Comicsgate saying "damn I really miss Doug TenNapel or Jon Del Arroz" (no offence @TheCosmicWarrior).

I personally hope Mike does put aside his pride and pain and rejoins Comicsgate, I always preferred his style of comedy over Cecil's. Dan Fraga and Shane Davis make good guests, but they don't have the same dynamic as you and Mike did. You were partners in crime, Mike's well timed zinger's and banter made him a fan favorite on your livestreams. He was the Oates to your Hall, the Garfunkel to your Simon, the Hamburgular to your Grimace.

Living in California with five(?) children, one of whom is special needs and will require care probably for his entire life, I actually worry for Mike. I might be a gayopping, doxing, shitposting kiwi but I still wouldn't wish financial destitution on anyone. Friends go through rough patches all the time, don't give up on Mike, even if he can be a stubborn jackass.

I guess if I didn't care about Mike, I wouldn't have been so angry with him. I don't hate people very often, but I felt icy cold hatred for him quite a few times in the past year. I dislike Doug TenNapel, but I don't hate him, because I never really liked him to begin with. I wasn't invested in his success like I was Mike's.

I wanted to see Smiller fail, but not collapse. He deserved to have a bunch of projects flop and to feel worried, because he's a stupid fucking idiot who didn't recognize how good he had it with ComicsGate.

That's happened.

It's time to patch things up. There were tons of gay ops and a lot of conspiratorial, destructive voices on the periphery of ComicsGate that dragged a lot of people down. Time has passed, and hopefully a few of these folks have gained some clarity and are ready to come back. I hope that's the case with Nasser, but who knows? He's a peculiar fellow.

Mike needs to come back, laugh, take it as well as he dishes it out, and SUCCEED. Dan Fraga and Shane Davis are great, but they're not really foils for Jon Malin, Cecil and I. Smiller was it.

If he wants to get the band back together, we're ready to bring him back in the fold.

 

[Rupin]

I don’t think a return to CG is gonna happen based on the last E-mail he sent his backers.

​ ​

​ Happy Sunday! Taking a break from ‘promoting promoting promoting’ to stop and say ‘hi’ to you, my backers, fans, former of either. ​ ​ It’s been a crazy couple years in this crowdfunding business. Ups and downs, tears of laughter, tears of joy, all that schmaltzy stuff. It’s been a roller-coaster to be sure. But I’m glad you’re still here with me through all my mistakes and mis-steps. Nobody is perfect, but I sure did make sure people knew how imperfect I am. Lol​ ​ And yet. Still, thousands of you are still here. Still accepting my emails. Still paying attention. And I thank you. I’m trying to do something here that I’ve been dreaming about for years. Decades really. And I’ve finally had the chance to make that dream a reality. I had a shot at it years ago with Alias Comics, but through some bad partnerships and bad decisions, that company went by the wayside. I took my properties and was going to start another company on my own right away, but… well, let’s say the money owed me was not forthcoming, and so that dream dwindled and died. ​ ​ Only to be resurrected a few years ago when hope rose again. I partnered with a friend who had ‘connections’, we started laying the groundwork for BLACKLIST UNIVERSE, he was shopping the pitch deck around to various funders and media personalities, notably Glen Beck, who shared a similar vision for media free from SJW and leftist propaganda. I recently heard from a mutual friend that the thing that killed the Glen Beck deal was that I joined a comic movement called Comicsgate. I literally just heard this a few weeks ago, and I gotta say I was a little gobsmacked. It doesn’t even make sense to me. But if it’s true, it’s very disappointing.​ ​ Because I did join Comicsgate. Whether you’re familiar with that movement or not, it wasn't what the idiots in the comics press kept pushing it as. It’s not a bunch of racist, misogynistic xenophobes. It was just a group of guys who were sick of SJW’s taking over the comic book industry. And so was I. It was part of the pitch deck for Blacklist, and why Glen Beck was interested in the first place. Comicsgate was a good fit for me. People just wanted good comics by good people, and to support and elevate each other and the artform I’ve spent my entire life enjoying and creating.​ ​ But personalities and ideas about what CG meant to different people became too divisive, and I walked away. I never became ‘anti-CG’. Although the label was foisted upon me as it was upon anyone who didn’t like the direction CG leadership was taking it. I’ve always believed in what I understood to be CG, the Ya Boi Zack version of CG: Support good comics by good people and treat the customer well. How can anyone even disagree with that? But I can’t in good conscience be associated with the leadership in CG now, so I will not be using the ‘brand’ for myself. ​ ​ If you are on this mailing list and you don’t know what CG is, my apologies, but it has been a significant part of my life these past two years, and I thought it needed to be mentioned.​ Where I’m going from here is to resettle my business and my dream from a foundational standpoint: Fans. Customers. Comic book readers. A business must be built on customers who actually want your product. Build a better widget. Find a need, fill a need. Whatever axiom you think applies, it’s the product, the service, and the customer that matter for long term success.​ ​ If you like my books, buy my books. If you have critiques or suggestions or complaints, message me. I’m always here for you. My customer service is ME, so sometimes I do get overwhelmed, and you may have to be patient or persistent to get something resolved. I apologize in advance. But I will take care of you. I promise.​ ​ All that said, I don’t want to take up your whole afternoon, enjoy this day of rest, hug your kids, play your video games, take a meal with your family.​ ​

 

[CheezzyMach]

In the world of mainstream comics DC just told Marvel to 'hold ma beer' and are creating something to rival the new New Warriors as part of their Future Slate with Teen Justice.

Ok that's mostly hyperbole, DC has decided to bring Earth-11 into the spotlight.

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Now I couldn't care less, in-fact I think it's just a young adult cash grab mostly with bad writing. So I will leave the mocking up to a low infomation HeelVsBabyface who hysterically didn't bother looking up Earth-11 which first debuted in 1987, thought Batwoman (Earth-11's Batman) was gay and not realising when talking about making kid flash different that Wally was Kid Flash.

TBH this is why I find DC's tokenization less infuriating then Marvel's, DC at least is (mostly) using legacy characters and alternate universes to do this then haphazard and lazy retcons.

The Brazilian Wonder Woman looks pretty cool and I'm willing to give Black Batman a shot.

Probably helps that even in FS the originals are still around and have their own books.

 

[Rupin]

TBH this is why I find DC's tokenization less infuriating then Marvel's, DC at least is (mostly) using legacy characters and alternate universes to do this then haphazard and lazy retcons.

The Brazilian Wonder Woman looks pretty cool and I'm willing to give Black Batman a shot.

Probably helps that even in FS the originals are still around and have their own books.

It’s about time for the original Batman to hang it up anyway. Wayne is now in his forties and Tom King really ruined the character. Brazilian Wonder Woman doesn’t really make sense because isn’t Diana immortal?

 

[Uranus Pink]

Eh manga publishers still sell their work in magazines in Japan.

In Japan manga pretty much follows the same format western comics do, chapters in a zine that then get collected into novel sized compilations later on.

It's in the West where the magazine format is dying.

I said American comic "floppy" format not magazine format and talking about U.S. publishers as Dark Horse isn't a Japanese company. Viz, ADV (defunct), CPM (defunct), TokyoPop (defunct), and later Dark Horse transition from monthly U.S. style "floppies" and collected volumes to just dropping the "floppy" and anthology magazine format entirely with the exception of Viz with Shonen Jump. Newer U.S. manga publishers like Dey Rey went straight to the collected volume format never bothering with the U.S. comic floppy format.

 

[CheezzyMach]

It’s about time for the original Batman to hang it up anyway. Wayne is now in his forties and Tom King really ruined the character. Brazilian Wonder Woman doesn’t really make because isn’t Diana immortal?

I think Diana's going cosmic or something in her new book so she gave up the mantle so Earth will still have a Wonder Woman.

It's Nubia becoming Wonder Woman that doesn't make sense to me. But that's apparently an alternate timeline and getting relegated to a back up story in Diana's book.

Honestly makes me sad how AT&T is raking DC now they seem to finally be getting their shit together.

Oh well even if AT&T cuts DC to the bone as long as they keep making Batman and Wonder Woman comics I'll be content since that's all I buy anyway.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I said American comic "floppy" format not magazine format and talking about U.S. publishers as Dark Horse isn't a Japanese company. Viz, ADV (defunct), CPM (defunct), TokyoPop (defunct), and later Dark Horse transition from monthly U.S. style "floppies" and collected volumes to just dropping the "floppy" and anthology magazine format entirely with the exception of Viz with Shonen Jump. Newer U.S. manga publishers like Dey Rey went straight to the collected volume format never bothering with the U.S. comic floppy format.

Sorry when you said Manga publishers assumed you were talking about the Japanese side.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I guess if I didn't care about Mike, I wouldn't have been so angry with him. I don't hate people very often, but I felt icy cold hatred for him quite a few times in the past year. I dislike Doug TenNapel, but I don't hate him, because I never really liked him to begin with. I wasn't invested in his success like I was Mike's.

I wanted to see Smiller fail, but not collapse. He deserved to have a bunch of projects flop and to feel worried, because he's a stupid fucking idiot who didn't recognize how good he had it with ComicsGate.

That's happened.

It's time to patch things up. There were tons of gay ops and a lot of conspiratorial, destructive voices on the periphery of ComicsGate that dragged a lot of people down. Time has passed, and hopefully a few of these folks have gained some clarity and are ready to come back. I hope that's the case with Nasser, but who knows? He's a peculiar fellow.

Mike needs to come back, laugh, take it as well as he dishes it out, and SUCCEED. Dan Fraga and Shane Davis are great, but they're not really foils for Jon Malin, Cecil and I. Smiller was it.

If he wants to get the band back together, we're ready to bring him back in the fold.

that's 100% the case with me.

I left, I was wrong, I failed. I had it so good with comicsgate and threw it away.

I know it'll take a lot to mend bridges, but I will do whatever I can.

 

[jspit2.0]

I guess if I didn't care about Mike, I wouldn't have been so angry with him. I don't hate people very often, but I felt icy cold hatred for him quite a few times in the past year. I dislike Doug TenNapel, but I don't hate him, because I never really liked him to begin with. I wasn't invested in his success like I was Mike's.

I wanted to see Smiller fail, but not collapse. He deserved to have a bunch of projects flop and to feel worried, because he's a stupid fucking idiot who didn't recognize how good he had it with ComicsGate.

That's happened.

It's time to patch things up. There were tons of gay ops and a lot of conspiratorial, destructive voices on the periphery of ComicsGate that dragged a lot of people down. Time has passed, and hopefully a few of these folks have gained some clarity and are ready to come back. I hope that's the case with Nasser, but who knows? He's a peculiar fellow.

Mike needs to come back, laugh, take it as well as he dishes it out, and SUCCEED. Dan Fraga and Shane Davis are great, but they're not really foils for Jon Malin, Cecil and I. Smiller was it.

If he wants to get the band back together, we're ready to bring him back in the fold.

Wow, y'know, I'm genuinely proud of you Ethan. I might have to reconsider my evaluation of you being forty percent evil. Twenty percent tops.

I don’t think a return to CG is gonna happen based on the last E-mail he sent his backers.

​ Spoiler: email ​

Spoiler: email

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​ Happy Sunday! Taking a break from ‘promoting promoting promoting’ to stop and say ‘hi’ to you, my backers, fans, former of either. ​ ​ It’s been a crazy couple years in this crowdfunding business. Ups and downs, tears of laughter, tears of joy, all that schmaltzy stuff. It’s been a roller-coaster to be sure. But I’m glad you’re still here with me through all my mistakes and mis-steps. Nobody is perfect, but I sure did make sure people knew how imperfect I am. Lol​ ​ And yet. Still, thousands of you are still here. Still accepting my emails. Still paying attention. And I thank you. I’m trying to do something here that I’ve been dreaming about for years. Decades really. And I’ve finally had the chance to make that dream a reality. I had a shot at it years ago with Alias Comics, but through some bad partnerships and bad decisions, that company went by the wayside. I took my properties and was going to start another company on my own right away, but… well, let’s say the money owed me was not forthcoming, and so that dream dwindled and died. ​ ​ Only to be resurrected a few years ago when hope rose again. I partnered with a friend who had ‘connections’, we started laying the groundwork for BLACKLIST UNIVERSE, he was shopping the pitch deck around to various funders and media personalities, notably Glen Beck, who shared a similar vision for media free from SJW and leftist propaganda. I recently heard from a mutual friend that the thing that killed the Glen Beck deal was that I joined a comic movement called Comicsgate. I literally just heard this a few weeks ago, and I gotta say I was a little gobsmacked. It doesn’t even make sense to me. But if it’s true, it’s very disappointing.​ ​ Because I did join Comicsgate. Whether you’re familiar with that movement or not, it wasn't what the idiots in the comics press kept pushing it as. It’s not a bunch of racist, misogynistic xenophobes. It was just a group of guys who were sick of SJW’s taking over the comic book industry. And so was I. It was part of the pitch deck for Blacklist, and why Glen Beck was interested in the first place. Comicsgate was a good fit for me. People just wanted good comics by good people, and to support and elevate each other and the artform I’ve spent my entire life enjoying and creating.​ ​ But personalities and ideas about what CG meant to different people became too divisive, and I walked away. I never became ‘anti-CG’. Although the label was foisted upon me as it was upon anyone who didn’t like the direction CG leadership was taking it. I’ve always believed in what I understood to be CG, the Ya Boi Zack version of CG: Support good comics by good people and treat the customer well. How can anyone even disagree with that? But I can’t in good conscience be associated with the leadership in CG now, so I will not be using the ‘brand’ for myself. ​ ​ If you are on this mailing list and you don’t know what CG is, my apologies, but it has been a significant part of my life these past two years, and I thought it needed to be mentioned.​ Where I’m going from here is to resettle my business and my dream from a foundational standpoint: Fans. Customers. Comic book readers. A business must be built on customers who actually want your product. Build a better widget. Find a need, fill a need. Whatever axiom you think applies, it’s the product, the service, and the customer that matter for long term success.​ ​ If you like my books, buy my books. If you have critiques or suggestions or complaints, message me. I’m always here for you. My customer service is ME, so sometimes I do get overwhelmed, and you may have to be patient or persistent to get something resolved. I apologize in advance. But I will take care of you. I promise.​ ​ All that said, I don’t want to take up your whole afternoon, enjoy this day of rest, hug your kids, play your video games, take a meal with your family.​ ​

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Thanks for the info TBZ. Interesting bit about Beck, though Beck has from what I understand a Never Trump derangement syndrome and is a Romney tier cuck.

TBH this is why I find DC's tokenization less infuriating then Marvel's, DC at least is (mostly) using legacy characters and alternate universes to do this then haphazard and lazy retcons.

The Brazilian Wonder Woman looks pretty cool and I'm willing to give Black Batman a shot.

Probably helps that even in FS the originals are still around and have their own books.

Meh, no thanks. They look horrid to this life long DC fan that used to buy their books monthly.

It’s about time for the original Batman to hang it up anyway. Wayne is now in his forties and Tom King really ruined the character. Brazilian Wonder Woman doesn’t really make sense because isn’t Diana immortal?

Grant Morrison said it best. Bruce Wayne was there before him and will be there after he's gone. Nuke Tom King's run and get good talent and your gold.

 

[Absurdity]

What's this? Informative posts about the going on's in the comic book industry? My dear fellows this thread is about arguing whether Salmandroid is the correct depiction of a lizard, discussing the morality of Ethan monetizing Sketch Therapy, listening to Nasser trash talk Donal, shit talking Nasser for rejoining CG and debating whether JDA's use of "uh, oh" is more or less acceptable than "uh-oh." Please contain your valuable posts to the containment thread and allow this one to return to our regularly scheduled programming of alogging, nitpicking and infighting.

You'll take your Vitamin A-log and like it!

1. The idea that a space ship comes to Earth and makes superheroes based on Amphibians is less like TMNT and more like Transformers Beast Wars. No one cares that Cyberfrog has teeth or that Salamandroid doesn't look like a Salamander. I've never even thought to make that argument because its pointless. It's a comic book, a genre filled with unbelievable shit.

2. SMiller is anything but professional. I'm not going to rehash his history of being a huge faggot, other autists have already done that. His history in the comics scene and trying to publish Jesus books is storied with gay buttfucking and backstabbing.

The spaceship is just a random background item in their origin story. If any of the fans of CF are present can tell me in what capacity does this McGuffin character have an ongoing presence throughout the original series? Is it something more than a can of mutagen? Has it played a part in creating allies or enemies besides CF & Sal? Why did it just stop there? Do they report back to it? Any meaningful interactions? You tell me.

I did put Mark in parenthesis along with Doug because they both do the loyalty shit-test thing. Doug can get away with it only because Earthworm Jim is such a great character. Not a fan of Bigfoot Bill though. I do agree with him on some of his conservative takes, but he too wants a little more control of his audience than is strictly possible. Mark on the other hand has been doing it almost out of pure spite and is stuck in a negative rut.

The main reason I think Mark should probably rethink whether his talents would be best served doing any other comics right now because if he truly believes in something he ought to stand by it, even if it means losing money. The key is for him to try to generate positive vibes around his work with the real challenge of it not being not at the expense of getting wrapped up in more CG drama. He is one of those comic pros who should never have sought to take the patented CG rite of passage and to have allowed himself to get wrapped up in Comicsgate Kumite with the ComicsGatekeeper. As it turns out, he was not allowed to appeal to those social conservatives who criticize LGBT and Closetmaster had to shut him down. Nothing will change for him if he enters back under Ethan's grift. Ethan doesn't compromise, he devours. He'll let you "in" but you have to be part of his circus and you have to submit to the Tastemaker in the top hat. If Mark does come back it will have to be for the love of money and the fee-fees of Ethan's self-determined audience. ComicsBorg must achieve perfection.

Mark is not in the majority in his opinions. Neither am I. You gotta know your limits before you put yourself out there and I don't think he considered how his message might not have resonated the way he wanted. It's tough to suddenly work the Christian angle when you've been drawing women in full skin-a-max most of your career. I don't think he fully understood his appeal and how his personal beliefs clashed with it. You can't have it both ways. Regardless, I think it would be extremely foolish of him to accept any table scraps from the hermaphrodite in exchange for his integrity. If the devil didn't attach nice things to his offers, no one would fall for them.

It's from a time when comic artists and stans alike were wowed by the things Rob Liefeld, Todd McFarlane and others were drawing, and anything nonhuman in comics looked like an explosion in HR Giger's knife factory. Salamandroid is cut from the same cloth as Spawn's Violator, Marvel's Brood, or flanderized versions of Killer Croc. Look - a carnival performer with a skin condition.
It's eye-rolling, and a cause and symptom of the tastes of comic nerds raised on a diet of kewl and wikkid capeshit, but I can't get too wound up about singling Frog out for it when it's one of the few things he still does the same as most in the mainstream industry.

'Bollandized.' I have to remember that one.

After the CG goggles fell away, I realized that I was looking for these characters to continue Ethan's comedic take on thinly-veiled SJW allegories. When I looked at them minus that appeal, they had absolutely nothing to offer on their own. If it's all just a big joke aimed at SJW's by a regular guy, who cares? But, if taken as serious characters in their own right promoted by a bad actor, you have to build some internal continuity eventually. What is foundational in these characters outside of lots of 'tude that makes them interesting? Do their villains provide ways of unlocking more compelling aspects of their heroic natures?

@Absurdity believes that people only support my comics because of my own cult of personality. That's a harsh take, and I don't think it's true. REIGNBOW BRUTE is going to sell to people who also dislike me, but can't resist the concept. So Absurdity is an obsessive gay retard stalker. But if he said the same thing about Smiller, I think he'd be on to something. Do people really want LONESTAR? He's an extremely unappealing character, like Mike is. I believe Mike would have trouble selling LONESTAR to anyone other than the 300-500 people who are already his devoted fans.

Maybe he just isn't worth trying to save.

Stalker? Posting critical posts on KF now constitutes as stalking ladies and gentleman. What a thin-skinned throat-sac. Why don't you send me a cease-and-desist letter while you're at it? Have you bought out KF yet?

Reignbow Brute will sell as long as people can insert your story into his. I was still a fan of yours when you first came up with that and I thought it was hilarious. Back then I completely sympathized with your plight and I thought you were being completely honest. Now that the Kool-Aid has worn off, and you're clearly not the conservative everyman you presented yourself as, I see it as another round of endless self-aggrandizement on every Social Media platform. Just because you vored Nasser and Nasser became the werecow he is now, doesn't change the fact that you engineered the entire drama from start to finish. Yet another instance of money buying you out of admitting responsibility for your BS.

I might be one of only a handful of people on this forum that see though your fake magnanimous Jesus-gestures and who care about the message you're putting out there and the grift and the methods you use even if you're making bank, but I'll keep hitting those buttons you pretend don't exist. If the past is any indication you will throat-puff harder and you come up with all new ways to whitewash the past without the need to come clean yourself.

 

[GranDuke]

Grant Morrison said it best. Bruce Wayne was there before him and will be there after he's gone. Nuke Tom King's run and get good talent and your gold.

Whats there to nuke? His run ended some time ago now and nobody cares, Batman works just as fine as he did before his run.

 

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