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Most of the Tim Lim car wreck kicked off before I started following the CG shit show. My understanding of the timeline differs from yours on some key points. I could have this wrong but I'm pretty confident it's correct.
Lim/Ethan Faggotry Timeline!
*Tim Lim and a group of Antarctic Indies see CG as a place ripe for grifting. They descend, gaining much needed support from the original gators.

*Ethan joins and brings his mainstream pro buddies. This aggravates Tim Lim, especially because Ethan's vision of CG is apolitical at the time.

* Ethan makes Tim a semi-regular guest on his show and "low key" dumps on his work and starts a narrative that the very political ComicsGate shouldn't do political comics.

* Lim recognizes the passive aggressive faggotry for what it is and confronts and embarrasses Ethan about it on Ethan's stream. Ethan apologizes but, humiliated bya little Asian fuck, he's furious and he continues pushing to exclude political comics (Tim's comics) from CG.

*Ethan is doing his bread tubbing, when people start using him. People superchat and ask him 'are Trump books CG?' He answers honestly, at the time, no they do not fit his definition. These superchats roughly mark the beginning of the gayops against Lim. This is the beginning of WarCampaign. WarCampaign was a group of Sciver superfans that followed him from FB and blew up in numbers when Ethan started attracting StarWars superfans and unstable retards.

*Lim is already pissed that Ethan is sucking up pay piggies. He starts back chatting and trying to arrange Ethan's downfall.

*This gayop fails. Lim is humiliated and discredited.

*Someone calling himself the Glove begins a gayop, dropping DMs of private back room CG chats to cause discord and division.

*Someone reveals that Lim is the eponymous glove.

*Ethan, at the same time, either approached or was approached by a group of grifters calling themselves WC. WC proceeds to harass both Tim and anyone who even mehs in Ethan's direction. Among their many acts were doxxing, sexual harassment and threats of violence, constant misinformation and lies. The level of Ethan's involvement in this activity is still unknown.


* WarCampaign has been working on Lim since before he fell out publicly with Ethan though it does ramp up and Lim does respond with the "Glove" faggotry.

* Lim's Glove faggotry is exposed and fails.


* Lim continues to carry a grudge, by barely mentioning and not interacting with Ethan for years, as does Ethan. Both snipe and poison the other on a low key basis. Ethan continues to snipe to this day while Lim has made friends with those who snipe back at Ethan on his behalf but doesn't partake in it having learned from the disastrous Glove debacle.

Well, it did when you considered CG was complaining about politicizing comics.
People weren't complaining about political comics (criticizing them yes) so much as they were complaining that apolitical characters like Spidey or the Hulk were being used as cudgels for SJW political agendas making for shit cape comics.

No one was saying that indy creators should stay in their lane and avoid politics except FROG.

You are. He's been more low key. But as we discovered with the Earnst drops, he's still causing trouble. He's just smarter about it than Ethan/WC.
What did Tim Lim have to do with the Ernst drops? Because they're friends?

Is this speculation or did I miss a key event.

I'm saying if it's not good for YOUR BUSINESS don't do something stupid. @FROG didn't "dig up" tweets, and he isn't omniscient to see them as soon as Mike (or anybody) tweets them. Maybe he did bring it up a few days later, but you can't expect him to keep up with everything everyone does in/around CG.
He brought up the tweet after it was forgotten to bludgeon Miller with it, probably when Ro or some other WC retard pointed it out to him.

He had no other reason to bring it up. No one was paying attention to the tweet until Ethan rallied the horde to shit on Mike. If Ethan didn't want the "anti-gay" stink of Mike's tweet besmirching CG he should have left it dead instead of calling attention to it.

Why did he suddenly care what the progressives in the Pride movement thought?
 
Explaining the thought. Also Ethan would argue he permitted nothing. Which is technically true.
Kindof, I suppose. No one permits indie anything. You just choose what you platform.
Look, we can argue semantics if you want, but the fact of the matter is that Ethan took a hard line that political oriented comics were not welcome in CG. It doesn't matter that he had little means to stop Lim from doing what he wanted to do. What matters is that FROG didn't want CG to go in that direction, and Lim was shunned from a movement that is supposed to allow greater creator freedom.

And that's not only a fucking stupid hill to die on, but he's looked the other way when Meyer did it.

Well, it did when you considered CG was complaining about politicizing comics.
@Newman's Own addressed this. It was (or should have been) about taking apolitical character,s and making them very political. If it was ever about avoiding politics entirely, CG is dumber than I thought. There's no point to that. The SJWs are gonna shit on you with or without Trump content.

Subsequently Richard and others have back tracked a little.
Well, no shit. When you have a pedo and a pedo supporter attaching their pedo shit to Comicsgate (however disingenuously), it kinda puts into better perspective what should be the number 1 thing to keep out of CG. That's just about the one thing I'll go along with gatekeeping.

No one was saying that indy creators should stay in their lane and avoid politics except FROG.
Exactly.

As for Tim: If he ran a gay op, that's unfortunate, and he should be ashamed of himself.

However, judging him by his behavior and work ethic today, I honestly have to say I admire the man. I wish him continued success and enjoy his work. Trump has fuckall to do with that.
 
As for Tim: If he ran a gay op, that's unfortunate, and he should be ashamed of himself.

However, judging him by his behavior and work ethic today, I honestly have to say I admire the man. I wish him continued success and enjoy his work. Trump has fuckall to do with that.
Lim and his team were getting the full court press from WarCampaign with Ethan's public blessing so he decided to fight fire with fire and launch his own gayop.

Can't say I blame him but he was outed and it failed so tough shit. Losers get shit on.

All that said he's avoided drama for the last 3 years to practice medicine and put out hundreds and hundreds of quality pages making money and building a loyal following for the work. It's hard not to respect that.
 
Is that really the final artwork, and not just work in progress shots? I like Narwhal's art, but what the fuck happened between this.
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And this!?
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Don't know much about the top one but the bottom one had it's founding period end in the middle of January and was supposed to be shipped in April, now delayed to May, that'd be 64 pages in less than 3 months. Good luck with that.
 
Look out everyone, I've got fresh droppings from a certain incredibly fertile mind:

I'm only six minutes in but I'm very entertained, let's say that much at least.

Great title too, RE-PITCHING 499- Or...How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love "Bisexual Lighting"

Haha! Only problem is it's not technically bisexual lighting, but rather horrific MSpaint coloring, that is the problem.

But I'm glad he rejects Frog's stupid bisexual lighting art theory though. Frog and his theories.

Pretty much if Frog has a theory about anything, you'll want to just pop that in the bin quietly when he's not looking. Don't let him see or he'll start crying.
 
"I've read this a dozen times, it's excellent, you're going to like it."

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Edit: Wasn't "new skin" a thing that was part of the origin of Clayface in the animated series?
 
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No offense to jspit here, but "what the customers really wanted" was often a shield for what Ethan really wanted. Not that Ethan put in any effort to constantly monitor that. No, it was simply this: the one who makes the most money knows what the customer wants. Not just one thing, but every little desire they've always had. The customers had spoken and it was clear they had elected Sciverfrog as the grand poobah of all things independent conservative crowdfunded comics. He knew what they all wanted now, even if it was just his Superchat Simposium.

The reality is a little bit more nuanced I think. The artist puts in the work to secure their foothold in the market, which includes their active marketing of their own brand. How big that market is, how many people it can sustain are all in constant flux and up for debate. But what is clear is that Ethan was coming into a market that had already been established. The admirable way of conducting himself might have been to give all those established talents a wide berth and be generous with the platform like it wasn't a zero-sum game. It seemed to me that saying Lim's brand couldn't exist in the same conservative marketplace as Sciverfrog because "muh customers" was a cover for not having to share the spotlight with another big talent who might actually be more relevant to anti-sjws exactly because he was willing to go more political than Ethan. But being more relevant doesn't automatically mean being more successful and the truth is Ethan was always going to bring in more people because he was already a huge name. He might not have gotten as many to people in, but I suspect he would have done just fine. He simply brought the Ethan Show and slapped a "conservative" label on it. Kind of what Trump did when he decided to run for office.

But let's just get this out of the way, it's impossible to keep all politics out of play if that's what truly resonates with you. It might not be a book on Trump, but it will find it's way into the story if you believe it strongly enough. And that should be okay. The only thing Ethan seems to really treasure is loyalty which might as well be an unattainable thing that only a magic power like drawing purty pictures can temporarily grant. The problem he had with Tim was really just projecting an insecurity over someone he could not control as far as I'm concerned.

Trump was worth his weight in gold for effortlessly triggering SJW's to flying cow levels of insanity. I don't really view him as a conservative, but you could and should have had a field day with the antics. Genuine comedic instincts every time which isn't always a good thing, but for the first two years it was hilarious. Your mileage may vary.
 
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I'm only six minutes in but I'm very entertained, let's say that much at least.

Great title too, RE-PITCHING 499- Or...How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love "Bisexual Lighting"
"Narwhal has a style that is a combination of the best parts of comic books, cartoons and cinema."

No.
 
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Narwhal is like the tulip craze of tulip crazes within Comicslate.

6:29 "bisexual lighting"

Zack, you deserve all the memes coming your way.
 
Haha! Only problem is it's not technically bisexual lighting, but rather horrific MSpaint coloring, that is the problem.
Guys, I'm telling you... There's a certain "subtext" to this choice of color scheme. :story:

It's either that, or a My Little Pony clomped in and vomited all over Narwhal's drawing table.

Either one is pretty horrifying, TBH.

No offense to jspit here, but "what the customers really wanted" was often a shield for what Ethan really wanted.
There's a market for Trump books, even if you don't like Trump or Trump fiction. I personally didn't and wouldn't buy them, but somebody would. Plus it's not like Tim could get it past a lot of publishers that SJW's have already dug their hooks into. Nothing in a Trump book should conflict with CG's goals. A Trump comic book gaining traction is a win against SJW gatekeeping.

The admirable way of conducting himself might have been to give all those established talents a wide berth and be generous with the platform like it wasn't a zero-sum game.
Absolutely.

It seemed to me that saying Lim's brand couldn't exist in the same conservative marketplace as Sciverfrog because "muh customers" was a cover for not having to share the spotlight with another big talent who might actually be more relevant to anti-sjws exactly because he was willing to go more political than Ethan.
I thought about saying this. I have suspected it for a while now. The issue is that... for right now... FROG is gonna point to his big pile of money, and it's hard to argue with that.

I'm interested in monitoring how Lim does vs. CG-branded creators moving forward. Unless he epically fucks up somewhere, I think he might be poised to knock FROG off his pedestal one day.
 
I thought about saying this. I have suspected it for a while now. The issue is that... for right now... FROG is gonna point to his big pile of money, and it's hard to argue with that.

I'm interested in monitoring how Lim does vs. CG-branded creators moving forward. Unless he epically fucks up somewhere, I think he might be poised to knock FROG off his pedestal one day.

not gonna happen. Tim can’t even beat YBZ is sales.
 
Look out everyone, I've got fresh droppings from a certain incredibly fertile mind:

I'm only six minutes in but I'm very entertained, let's say that much at least.

Great title too, RE-PITCHING 499- Or...How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love "Bisexual Lighting"

Haha! Only problem is it's not technically bisexual lighting, but rather horrific MSpaint coloring, that is the problem.

But I'm glad he rejects Frog's stupid bisexual lighting art theory though. Frog and his theories.

Pretty much if Frog has a theory about anything, you'll want to just pop that in the bin quietly when he's not looking. Don't let him see or he'll start crying.

So Zack used Clip Studio to literally copy the color palette from Jim Rugg's Octobriana. What a fucking hack.

If he'd bothered to read the process zine he cribbed from, he'd see that Rugg chose that palette because he thought it would be perfect for a comic and couldn't find any examples of a comic that had been published using colors typically found in blacklight posters, so he wanted to see if he could make the first. Octobriana was drawn and designed to work with those bold colors. It was a novel approach done purely for aesthetics. He marketed the book around the fact that it was the first to really incorporate the blacklight look, which he thought was a perfect compliment to its 1970s setting.

Simple Zack just decided he likey and puked it onto Narwhal's art after the thing was already done and a thousand backers had already signed up. He took someone else's novel approach and threw it in his book as an afterthought, paying no mind to the fact that A) Jim Rugg is a much better colorist than he is and B) Narwhal's style doesn't really mesh with the color scheme at all. If you want to have that blacklight look, you need to use a thicker, darker line than Narwhal uses. Narwhal's art looks like pencil roughs. There are no heavy, well rendered lines to give it that pop. The whole thing is just hard to look at.

This
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looks waaaaaaaay fucking better than this

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Small wonder that Octobriana had nearly 2000 backers and made almost $95k while Zack's backers are asking for refunds. Embarrassing.
 
That's old YBZ. I think there's in a consensus in these past dozen or so pages that YBZ's ability to hang onto success is now doubtful.

this is true. YBZ is not going to hang onto his success for much longer. But I was comparing the numbers Rock and Roll Ninja got to Kamen Rider 3 and that’s where I came up with my consensus. In fact, a few months ago they had campaigns at the same time and Zach’s spaceship book with a shitty cover still outsold Kamen Rider 3.
 
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So Zack used Clip Studio to literally copy the color palette from Jim Rugg's Octobriana. What a fucking hack.

If he'd bothered to read the process zine he cribbed from, he'd see that Rugg chose that palette because he thought it would be perfect for a comic and couldn't find any examples of a comic that had been published using colors typically found in blacklight posters, so he wanted to see if he could make the first. Octobriana was drawn and designed to work with those bold colors. It was a novel approach done purely for aesthetics. He marketed the book around the fact that it was the first to really incorporate the blacklight look, which he thought was a perfect compliment to its 1970s setting.

Simple Zack just decided he likey and puked it onto Narwhal's art after the thing was already done and a thousand backers had already signed up. He took someone else's novel approach and threw it in his book as an afterthought, paying no mind to the fact that A) Jim Rugg is a much better colorist than he is and B) Narwhal's style doesn't really mesh with the color scheme at all. If you want to have that blacklight look, you need to use a thicker, darker line than Narwhal uses. Narwhal's art looks like pencil roughs. There are no heavy, well rendered lines to give it that pop. The whole thing is just hard to look at.

This
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looks waaaaaaaay fucking better than this

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Small wonder that Octobriana had nearly 2000 backers and made almost $95k while Zack's backers are asking for refunds. Embarrassing.

Zach is the colorist? That explains a lot given the color palette he chose the first time he came out with Jawbreakers.
 
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