#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Smug Freiza]

Since my previous CG News Update, Nick Rekieta privated the livestream discussing the Poulter filing against FROG, VikkiVerse and DA Talks. He has since uploaded the stream to the RekietaLaw Live archive channel.

Once again the timestamp for the dissection of Preston's filing begins at the [57:14] mark.

 

[A nameless trool]

Which is essentially what I just got done relating. Not everybody wants capeshit. It's not that capeshit is what people want more than anything, so the product line is being driven by the sales figures. If that were true, the US comic industry wouldn't be losing sales to manga.

Moreover, I think it's fucking idiotic to convert capeshit to something it was never intended to be. You run into the opposite problem of alienating the people who still like traditional capeshit.

To solve both problems, you would ideally "clean sheet" new properties to run alongside existing product line. Unfortunately, that would mean you'd have to hire writers that have original ideas and characters, rather than ones who just put a fresh coat of paint on Faggotman, or whatever IP that's been lying around in a drawer for decades.

So in the end, you end up with a comic that's trying not to be a "superhero comic," but has fucking superheros on the cover.

Christ. No wonder the US comics industry is in trouble.

The way I see it is that Marvel/DC were bleeding money by selling to an ever diminishing demographic.

They saw an emerging trend and tried to capture it and failed.
Ms Marvel, initially, had a lot of the manga appeal: Young character, ne backstory, little interaction with continuity and great art that appealed to teens and millenials.
So, after that success, they decide to make her part of a superteam, have guest stars and put her in events. YBZ can cough all the "SJW propaganda" he wants, but it was probably the Marvelification of Kamala Khan that cost them in sales.
And when they put out 10 more cape-she-it books like America, She Hulk and Mockingbird the already small audience was split into more titles and sales faltered more.
And their main advantage versus the manga and scholastic titles is the capeshit recognision, but they seem to fail to turn them more woman and teen friendly because they are stuck into the floppy/extended universe formula.
Marvel leaving Diamond is probably a sign they finally get it, but it may be too late.

The DC YA GN titles met with limited success too, but at least understood where to find their audience and what it wants.

So, now the big two have two options, while running more into the red: cater to an audience that will buy all the batman in the world but will die in 20-30 years or keep chasing a young audience that is already served by a market getting oversaturated with limited results.
They can actually do both, but they are run by neckbeards with little common sense.

Understand that when you write CAPE GIRL or ZAP BOY, you are not writing for your fondly imagined child audience. It doesn't exist. You are writing for a forty-five-year-old unmarried man living in a one-room apartment who listens to Madonna and is probably masturbating over your work. I want you to hold that image in your head the next time you sit down to create one of these works. Your worst convention-nightmare fan, glopping away as he peers through thick glasses at your drawing of Zoom Woman.

CG would never shame me for being a healthy, robustly unmarried bachelor, masturbating vigorously to comics with Madonna playing in my one-room apartment? Would you @FROG, would you shame me, if I did that this afternoon?

Honestly, if you are 45, unmarried, listening to Madonna, you probably masturbate to Nightwing

 

[Xander Cage]

I am not sure why he's got a hate on for Ethan Vikki and Dean over calling the pedo comic exactly what it is.

And this is a stupid fucking hill to die on. I've fixed one computer in my life that had cp. Dropped the computer at the cops and ignored the guy immediately.

(He was the assistant manager of a toy store)

Fuck anyone who backs that shit.

(Sorry I went full MATI)

Good goy, now you should take the vaccine and eat bugs like the good goy that you are

 

[Odets]

All this shit proves is that editorial control and abolition of the whole superstar writer treatment is the only way.

Western comics have exactly the same variety that manga has the difference though? West treats it as a "passion project" in the indie dumping ground, where neither writers or fans allow any editorial control or vision besides the one that writer is providing.

Even thought manga technically has an ending the next big thing will still be the same characters doing the same plots under different names with, at best, 2 unique gimmicks. The difference compared to the west? Any magazine/publishing house won't have more than 3 similar titles under it's roof at the same time and they would promote different aspects if the books they do have.

 

[Captain Manning]

This is about as irrelevant as it can get, but I am liking that Anime News Network is the gift that keeps on giving. They've already been involved with That Guy With The Glasses and Change The Channel, Animegate/Weeb Wars, Gamergate, and now, they're getting into Comicsgate.

Woke. Not even once.

To be honest, that's actually not a bad article.

In fact, it's downright stellar compared to some of the other shit I've read from ANN.

Wake me when they actually go in on Comicsgate hard, and bring out the usual SJW talking points. Right now it seems like they're saying Marvel and D.C. are in decline, and manga is mopping the floor with them. Which is exactly what CG has been saying. It's the truth.

Hell, that article might be accidentally a gift for CG.

Drama between Testify and Preston?

Drama between Preston and anyone.

He wanted attention. He's getting it in spades. Are you not entertained?

I said Miller sounds like an idiot here. Certainly he's not doing himself any favors by hanging around Preston and basically saying "Yeah brah, I too could have sued EVS (or whomever else) for a gorillion dollars..."

No Mike. It's because, much like Preston right now, you wouldn't/didn't have a fuckin' case.

I think it's a bad look. If you disagree, that's your prerogative.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

So, this just happened in Mike S. Miller's Discord.

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Some observations:

1. Preston is delusional. He thinks people are "shocked" by the claims in his lawsuit. These people, if they even exist, should be removed from the gene pool immediately.
2. I can't possibly imagine what "papers" Preston is alluding to.
3. Mike Miller sounds like an idiot. I wonder if he's "that type" of EVS alog I mentioned the other day.
4. Preston left Mike's Discord after this.

Ethan: Come back to CG Mike. You deserve to make money again, and we should all just get along.

Mike: Hehehe you're in quite the pickle aren't you, Ethan? I can sue you guys for Lonestar failing!!!

EVS derangement syndrome at its finest.

Mike has got no one to blame for the failure of his Lonestar campaign but, himself. He knows where the majority of CG customers are and he chose to sell to the same 50 people that always attend his streams.
It’s cool that he has his code of ethics to live by, but he can not blame his campaigns failure on EVS, especially when he not only promoted Lonestar 3 for a little bit when the campaign first started but he gave Mike a chance to bury the hatchet and make good with his fan base. Mike chose not to do that and went his own way,

So, pretty much the majority of the blame needs to be on himself. Because, believe it or not EVS doesn’t choose what campaigns will succeed or not. The fans do.

Agreed. Mike's problems are his own fault. And he knows it too, that's why he's constantly looking for a new YouTuber to latch onto. Like in one of his recent streams he was saying how much he looks forward to working on "Bitboy" and working on other people's characters to gain an audience...

...imagine. Lol. Imagine.

Imagine going from working at DC to making a living crowdfunding any book you want, just to crawl back to dumb work-for-hire gigs. How long until Smiller is working on some C-list DC comic?

The thing is he can still turn this around. Ethan made MULTIPLE attempts at mending things so it's funny Mike is like "I CAN SUE HEHEHEHE!!!" and even I made multiple attempts at bringing him back to CG.

 

[Captain Manning]

Ethan: Come back to CG Mike. You deserve to make money again, and we should all just get along.

Mike: Hehehe you're in quite the pickle aren't you, Ethan? I can sue you guys for Lonestar failing!!!

EVS derangement syndrome at its finest.

It's basically this that makes him look stupid:



Now granted, he didn't actually say EVS by name. But he didn't have to. We know who he was talking about. You have to read it in the context of their long running feud.

I knew it was gonna be difficult for some people to see through the haze of EVS hate and call out Preston's lawsuit for what it really is. It is fucking idiotic for Mike to connect his issues with EVS to what Preston is doing. Not least of which because the latter involves suing EVS for having the audacity to call a pedo a pedo.

If Miller had said "You know what Preston? I don't like EVS either, but your lawsuit against him is fucking bullshit" that would have been scores better. I could at least respect him for that.

Instead, he tries to give Preston legitimacy. That's lame.

Which brings me to...

How? Am I not suitably antagonistic to the ridiculous cuck for your tastes?

I'm not anyone's gay ass illuminati. You come on here and say Cryer is bad because....he told Testefy to take his slap fight off his discord? Forgive me for not immediately embracing your narrative.

See above.

(Sorry I went full MATI)

You're fine. I think we generally show leniency if it involves a pedo somehow. Or, at least, I do.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

If Miller had said "You know what Preston? I don't like EVS either, but your lawsuit against him is fucking bullshit" that would have been scores better. I could at least respect him for that.

Instead, he tries to give Preston legitimacy. That's lame.

Makes me wonder Mike's take on the book. Is he fine with that degeneracy?

 

[Captain Manning]

Makes me wonder Mike's take on the book. Is he fine with that degeneracy?

I want to be fair and optimistic and say... no. At least until and unless he says otherwise. Some people who really have a hate boner for EVS are probably struggling between logic and emotion on this whole thing. The smart ones who are concerned they can't keep it in check seem to be sitting this one out. That includes some people who frequent this thread.

Unfortunately, because Mike said what he said, your question is nonetheless valid.

I think that if Preston didn't sue Ethan, and confined it to just Vikki and Dean, you'd be seeing something closer to universal condemnation of Preston right now.

 

[Mecha]

Ethan: Come back to CG Mike. You deserve to make money again, and we should all just get along.

Mike: Hehehe you're in quite the pickle aren't you, Ethan? I can sue you guys for Lonestar failing!!!

EVS derangement syndrome at its finest.

Agreed. Mike's problems are his own fault. And he knows it too, that's why he's constantly looking for a new YouTuber to latch onto. Like in one of his recent streams he was saying how much he looks forward to working on "Bitboy" and working on other people's characters to gain an audience...

...imagine. Lol. Imagine.

Imagine going from working at DC to making a living crowdfunding any book you want, just to crawl back to dumb work-for-hire gigs. How long until Smiller is working on some C-list DC comic?

The thing is he can still turn this around. Ethan made MULTIPLE attempts at mending things so it's funny Mike is like "I CAN SUE HEHEHEHE!!!" and even I made multiple attempts at bringing him back to CG.

In Mike's defense Bitboy has a large audience, and so does The Shadow of the Conqueror dude (when is that launching Mike?) but the big guy with a big platform thing didn't workout for Antonio Brice with only $5,191 on that dumbass project. So I would have liked to have seen how SOTC did, before Mike did another similar project for BitBoy. It's not a proven formula for success.

For those that keep saying Mike needs to go back to CG don't forget this was the shit he was seeing from Warcampaign

Spoiler: NSFW

That and with the constant attacks on "Methwin" and WC's accusations of using funds from the previous campaign to finance the next one I can't blame Mike for not wanting to throw in with CG in any amount of time.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

Drama between Testify and Preston?



How? Am I not suitably antagonistic to the ridiculous cuck for your tastes?

I'm not anyone's gay ass illuminati. You come on here and say Cryer is bad because....he told Testefy to take his slap fight off his discord? Forgive me for not immediately embracing your narrative.

you are missing the part though where mike starts engaging in exactly what he just said not to do.

 

[Pilule Noire]

Funny you should mention the changing technology as the deathknell for trends and genres in movies.

The biggest change the soon to be doomed Superhero movie needs to worry about is the complete eradication of movie theatres in a post covid world. Yes the technology is changing again! This time movie theatres are going away completely and will transition to Streaming services. The total take for Godzilla Vs Kong being an interesting bellweather in this case. GvK is of course a CGI laden miracle of cinematic vision with little else to entice viewers besides the CGI monsters on screen and still managed to pull in $435,902,000 according to The-numbers.com

Absolutely massive considering the effects of the PANdemIC on the industry. The movie was well into production before the widespread response shut down most movie theatres. That's an even bigger number when conisdering the movie got a same day release on HBO Max the same place where another Superflick "WonderWoman: 1984" had much smaller numbers.

While it can be argued that GvK's success is almost abysmal by pre covid standards, it obvious the format for watching these movies has changed and will continue to. The next big release is "A Quiet Place 2" and that is projected to succeed GvK's numbers while being another CGI dependent movie featuring Aliens or something. It's a memorial day release with little else in the theatre to compete with. So whether the trend holds up and signals the return of the blockbuster time will tell.

So yes, @Pilule Noire I agree the Technology is changing around Superhero and CGI dependant movies, but it's going the way of the Same Day streaming service. There's no amount of impressive CGI that can stave that future off for long.

One noticeable affect now is the traditional 90 day exclusivity window going away with Regal cinemas agreeing to a 45 day contract with Warner Bros.

It'll take years for the movie industry to recover, and even then I predict we will see much smaller budgets to account for streaming services, The Supermovie will indeed go the way of the western as a result of changing technology.

Another technology changing around Superheroes is of course the Printed Super Comic. My prediction is these will fail, and it's not because of internet gas, gay captain america, or even Gail Simone. It's because Print media is on the way out. Im not suggesting Digital is the answer. I don't know that there is one for this particular problem. If Print doesn't completely die out, Digital is continuing to grow. Our entire world is being digitized in ways just years ago would almost be seen as unimaginable. You want to collect comics? NFT's (whatever the fuck that is) are now a thing.

There is however one Nerd thing that is still thriving on printed material. Pokemon cards. If you've been to your local target at 8am on a friday you might have seen the lines yourself. If you've been to a walmart recently you may have even witnessed an actual rush from customers desperate to buy print media. Apparently there's a huge resale market for this stuff. Could the comic industry take notes here, or is the speculator and second hand market a one time chance for comics?

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I'm not going to hold my breath for streaming services wiping out cinemas Mecha, considering that television was supposed to kill cinemas in the 50s, and then VHS was supposed to really kill them in the 80s, and then internet piracy was supposed to really really kill them in the 00s.

They keep surviving! And there's a very simple reason, which is that parents want to get off their feet and have a break from their kids. Cinemas will keep existing as long as parents need a break from their own children. Meaning they will keep existing forever.

Unfortunately it means cooler adult films like Dredd and Blade Runner 2049 will underperform and die out, while dumber kiddie fare will outperform and proliferate, which is an ongoing trend you can see in the box office numbers from the 70s. William Goldman was complaining about comic book movies in the early 80s, believe it or not. Star Wars and Indiana Jones, he was bitter about the huge success they had in spite of being 'comic book movies' in his view. He was lamenting the effect their success would have on cinema. And look where we are now - if anything has died out, it's the more intelligent, adult, cerebral, realistic American movies of the 70s. (Although Joker was a nice throwback to that style of cinema and did very well - not sure whether Goldman would call that one a comic book movie or not, now that I think about it.)

Another big factor that Spielberg doesn't consider is that technology will keep getting cheaper and more powerful, so we will start seeing more CGI-based cinema coming from smaller studios. This will probably be the best thing to ever happen to CGI, when it starts being used by actual good filmmakers. Jon Favreau is an example of a good traditional indie filmmaker who transitioned to big budget CGI productions very well with Iron Man and The Mandalorian. And Mando's season 2 finale showed that you can pull off 'event streaming' as easily as 'event TV' such as the disastrous Game of Thrones finale, or 'event cinema' such as Disney's disastrous Sequel trilogy.

The only problem was that Mando was GOOD, and so they fixed that by firing Gina Carano, hahaha. An 'event firing'.

 

[Captain Manning]

For those that keep saying Mike needs to go back to CG don't forget this was the shit he was seeing from Warcampaign

Wascampaign is, as they say, "combat ineffective." Nobody should give a shit about them anymore. Did you not see their pathetic assault on KF? Not only did it fail, but it exposed them as epic crybabies. They came on here and fail doxed. Then one of them (Ro or Pan?) got real doxed. To which they responded by crying to Null, threatening KF's host/ISP (which they were too stupid to know is owned by Null), and finally resorted to screeching on Twitter about how Cloudflare should shut off our DDOS protection.

I get that they were a big thing that did a lot of stupid shit, and ruffled a lot of feathers, but that was then and this is now. They are spent. Nobody cares. Stop giving them credibility.

 

[jspit2.0]

Drama between Preston and anyone.

He wanted attention. He's getting it in spades. Are you not entertained?

Moderately? Honestly he's mostly just obnoxious and gross. He's stupid like MovieBob, but without Bob's retarded behavior. He's as degenerate as, well, half the cows on here. He's just so utterly okay with his degeneracy its not as fun to mock him as some of the troons and faggots.

I said Miller sounds like an idiot here. Certainly he's not doing himself any favors by hanging around Preston and basically saying "Yeah brah, I too could have sued EVS (or whomever else) for a gorillion dollars..."

No Mike. It's because, much like Preston right now, you wouldn't/didn't have a fuckin' case.

Considering what they're saying about Preston is true...I think anyone has a better case than Pegboy.

I think it's a bad look. If you disagree, that's your prerogative.

Calling something a 'Bad look' is what the SJWs do. I steer clear of that.

It's basically this that makes him look stupid:

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Now granted, he didn't actually say EVS by name. But he didn't have to. We know who he was talking about. You have to read it in the context of their long running feud.

I knew it was gonna be difficult for some people to see through the haze of EVS hate and call out Preston's lawsuit for what it really is. It is fucking idiotic for Mike to connect his issues with EVS to what Preston is doing. Not least of which because the latter involves suing EVS for having the audacity to call a pedo a pedo.

Call out? Wow, more buzzwords. Also you again are failing to establish anything? How is it Mike's job to play internet sheriff? I'm not on anyone's side (I'm a kiwi). If I was...I'm with Vikki, Dean and Ethan because the lawsuit's bullshit.

Stop making me have to defend the dumbass from your gay op shit.

you are missing the part though where mike starts engaging in exactly what he just said not to do.

Which part?

 

[Captain Manning]

Considering what they're saying about Preston is true...I think anyone has a better case than Pegboy.

That's not saying much.

I mean, yeah, sure... Mike has a "better case" against EVS than Preston. Only because Mike doesn't have a pedo elephant from Florida standing in the corner. Doesn't mean it's a winning case though.

Stop making me have to defend the dumbass from your gay op shit.

There is no gay op shit. Not from me, anyways. If you don't like Testefy engaging with Preston off-site, talk to him. I am just making a record of what's being said by Preston. Unlike EVS, Preston is being dumb and blabbing about his "epic p0wn" of EVS in filing this tripe.

FWIW, I would not be caught dead in a Discord server with Preston. I have never even talked to the man. I will never talk to the man. I have never set foot in Mike's Discord. I verified the screenshots were real, and then posted them here.

 

[jspit2.0]

That's not saying much.

True.

I mean, yeah, sure... Mike has a "better case" against EVS than Preston. Only because Mike doesn't have a pedo elephant from Florida standing in the corner. Doesn't mean it's a winning case though.

He'd fuck it up like he has everything else in his life. Mike knows how to lose like know one else.

There is no gay op shit. Not from me, anyways. If you don't like Testefy engaging with Preston off-site, talk to him.

Not my problem. I know the Etsies don't like Miller because of those old beefs you write off. It smelled of trying to tie Mike Miller to Preston. Mike's historically prudish, yet you question whether he'd support Preston's book???

I'd be the first person to jeer at him if he sided with Peggy. But that's not what Cryer was doing in the screenshots you showed. He was enjoying watching Ethan suffer because Smiller is a petty bitch.

I am just making a record of what's being said by Preston.

I appreciate you doing it.

Unlike EVS, Preston is being dumb and blabbing about his "epic p0wn" of EVS in filing this tripe.

If Preston was half as smart as he thought, we'd be on Mars by now and he'd have cured Cancer and Aids.

FWIW, I would not be caught dead in a Discord server with Preston. I have never even talked to the man. I will never talk to the man. I have never set foot in Mike's Discord. I verified the screenshots were real, and then posted them here.

Meh. Might be fun? Honestly, I wouldn't do much talking. The way you handle a pseudo intellectual faggot like Preston is to get him talking then let him talk himself into the noose.

 

[I Love Beef]

To be honest, that's actually not a bad article.

In fact, it's downright stellar compared to some of the other shit I've read from ANN.

Wake me when they actually go in on Comicsgate hard, and bring out the usual SJW talking points. Right now it seems like they're saying Marvel and D.C. are in decline, and manga is mopping the floor with them. Which is exactly what CG has been saying. It's the truth.

Hell, that article might be accidentally a gift for CG.

Oh, I know. The real meat of the situation is the forum posting- Already the userbase on there are splitting up against each other, with those who agree with the fact that comics are getting worse because of their failure to adapt and clean up since 1996, while the staff (yes, the CEO of ANN is on the forums on page 5) and their cronies/core followers are trying to hipster contrarian and split asshairs with forum users for them to treat comics better despite the truth being obviously apparent that writers and the industry don't give a shit to anything other than the almighty dollar. Also something something wokeness.

Whether or not something will come out of this time will tell, but the situation is already humorous between those who know the merits of a creative industry that stands up for itself and isn't sucking morality squad cock and those that side with the ones that do the opposite for some pathetic attempt to relive their glory days behind a facade of "progressivism and equanimity for all". Just an example of the peanut gallery. Nothing more.

 

[Captain Manning]

Not my problem. I know the Etsies don't like Miller because of those old beefs you write off. It smelled of trying to tie Mike Miller to Preston. Mike's historically prudish, yet you question whether he'd support Preston's book???

My dude, nearly everybody and their second cousin has a "problem" with Preston now. It got worse when he cozied up with Lamont. Before it was just laughing at the cuck porn. Now he's gone full retard. Who cares what clique among the legion of cliques hates him or Miller. If you don't like that clique, I got a cool story about a broken watch to tell you.

I didn't question Miller supporting Preston's book. Are you talking about @NasserRabadi13's question as to whether Miller is supporting LAMONT'S pedo book?

To the contrary, I think the DECENT thing to do is presume that Miller doesn't support the pedo shit, until and unless he says otherwise. That's what I just said a couple of posts up. I am operating under the assumption he doesn't. He can support the lawsuit, but not support the book. Which may be the case here.

BTW, I am aware that there is a rule against engaging with a cow directly, but Testefy has had dealings with Preston long before he's been on KF. I don't think it's a technical violation of that rule. That is to say, I am not sure he's required to cut off all contact with Preston as a condition of being on KF.

I myself would never deal with Preston directly. Not just because it would potentially be against site rules, but because I live in a desert, and I don't want to have to contribute to the depletion our finite water supply by taking showers constantly. I find the man immensely unpleasant. Lamont more so.

I'd be the first person to jeer at him if he sided with Peggy. But that's not what Cryer was doing in the screenshots you showed. He was enjoying watching Ethan suffer because Smiller is a petty bitch.

He showed that he's still salty AF toward Ethan for the Lonestar crap, and did so it a way that might seem supportive of Preston suing Ethan. It's gay. You won't convince me otherwise. Just give it up.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

My dude, nearly everybody and their second cousin has a "problem" with Preston now. It got worse when he cozied up with Lamont. Before it was just laughing at the cuck porn. Now he's gone full retard. Who cares what clique among the legion of cliques hates him. If you don't like that clique, I got a cool story about a broken watch to tell you.

I didn't question Miller supporting Preston's book. Are you talking about @NasserRabadi13's question as to whether Miller is supporting LAMONT'S pedo book?

To the contrary, I think the DECENT thing to do is presume that Miller doesn't support the pedo shit, until and unless he says otherwise. That's what I just said a couple of posts up. I am operating under the assumption he doesn't. He can support the lawsuit, but not support the book. Which may be the case here.

BTW, I am aware that there is a rule against engaging with a cow directly, but Testefy has had dealings with Preston long before he's been on KF. I don't think it's a technical violation of that rule. That is to say, I am not sure he's required to cut off all contact with Preston as a condition of being on KF.

I myself would never deal with Preston directly. Not just because it would potentially be against site rules, but because I live in a desert, and I don't want to have to contribute to the depletion our finite water supply by taking showers constantly. I find the man immensely unpleasant. Lamont more so.


He showed that he's still salty AF toward Ethan for the Lonestar crap, and did so it a way that might seem supportive of Preston suing Ethan. It's gay. You won't convince me otherwise. Just give it up.

I'm pretty sure Mike doesn't support the pedo book either, but I'm just questioning why he'd cheer on dummy preston. Cuz if he's cheering on Preston, it means he's fine with the book, because this is all about calling lamont's book a pedo book.

EDIT: typo

 

[Captain Manning]

I'm pretty sure Mike doesn't support the pedo book either, but I'm just questioning why he'd cheer on dummy Preston. Cuz if he's cheering on Preston, it means he's fine with the book, because this is all about calling lamont's book a pedo book.

Eh. I dunno if I wanna go there. Yet. I am not even sure if he fully supports the lawsuit in particular, or he's just talking shit because Preston gifted EVS some rough toilet paper.

But I certainly appreciate the sentiment.

I think @jspit2.0 has a slight point in suggesting you can possibly bifurcate an opinion on the book from the lawsuit. The issue is that the book is intrinsically tried to the lawsuit, and there's gonna be people questioning the motivation of anybody speaking positively about this particular lawsuit. I think Mike should chose his words more carefully.

Lost in all this is that that's just one bullet point of several from that Discord conversation. Preston also displays how fucking delusional he is, and even seemed to threaten @TESTEFY-HD with a lawsuit as well. Those are fucking dumb too. More so than what Mike said, IMO.