#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Newman's Lovechild]

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I thought Dale Keown had already made The Pitt.

Heavy Metal Entertainment

Is that the same Heavy Metal I'm thinking of? The latest one to go on a 'we hate our fans' spergfest?

 

[Least Concern]

Whatever they were, a Music comic today is definitely an SJW thing, in aesthetic and the writer at the very least. If you want to argue about what they were in the past have at it. What they are now is definitely an SJW Genre. Rock and Roll Richard is making a music comic now. And thus is Gay.

I can't tell if we're meming anymore or if you and others here have really decided that the territory of "comic about friends in a band together" has been irrevocably yielded to the SJW onslaught.

From what I remember about the plot of R&RN, the plot is about how the band members have escaped from a ninja training camp that basically wanted to keep them as warrior-slaves and now have to defeat the ninja that are out to kill them to keep the existence of that camp a secret, so it really sounds like the punk rock thing is more of an aesthetic and framing device than the matter of the comic itself.

But whatever, let's continue to pass judgment on comics we haven't read and declare Ya Boi a traitor and closet SJW and whatever I guess, also if a few SJWs have made bad comics with a theme no non-SJWs are allowed to make comics with that theme anymore

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I've only seen up to the end of season 2 of the anime. I'm re-watching all of it now in anticipation of being able to watch the rest of season 4 as soon as it airs in Japan.

Doesn't the Attack on Titan anime deviate from the manga's plot (kind of like the first Fullmetal Alchemist anime series did)?
Or was that just filler and it course corrected on the manga plot?
In any case, I'm glad I never invested my time with the series.

As for ComicsGate related material, Richard Meyer put out this video:

Zack, we get it. The lawsuit wore you down.
While your whole "The Cultural Wars are wasteful" attitude is more or less correct, the majority of people never want to fight it.
They just want to enjoy what they like without being talked down to and demonized.
Its only a small faction of mentally ill authoritarians that want to fight and control everything to reshape it in their image.
I'll repeat I learned almost three years ago: you might not want to talk about dialectics, but the dialectics want to talk about you.

 

[Rupin]

I can't tell if we're meming anymore or if you and others here have really decided that the territory of "comic about friends in a band together" has been irrevocably yielded to the SJW onslaught.

From what I remember about the plot of R&RN, the plot is about how the band members have escaped from a ninja training camp that basically wanted to keep them as warrior-slaves and now have to defeat the ninja that are out to kill them to keep the existence of that camp a secret, so it really sounds like the punk rock thing is more of an aesthetic and framing device than the matter of the comic itself.

But whatever, let's continue to pass judgment on comics we haven't read and declare Ya Boi a traitor and closet SJW and whatever I guess, also if a few SJWs have made bad comics with a theme no non-SJWs are allowed to make comics with that theme anymore

how much more does Zack have to do and show that his comics are hot garbage?

Zack makes the super genius move to kill off the majority of the characters in his flagship title Jawbreakers, thus killing off a lot of interest in future issues.

the main character of his Pandemic comic book looks like she would fit right in any DC or Marvel comic with no problem and her looking the way she did wasn’t a tongue in cheek joke.

the Ballad of No was drawn in a week by Kelsey Shannon and it looks it.

Both Iron Sights books have shit art and a very hard to follow storyline.

And 499… well that book speaks for itself.

and now we are supposed to believe that a black and white tmnt style book about Viet Nam Ninja vets in a rock and roll band is supposed to be a good book in this day and age?

Given Zack’s track record, I’m going with no.

 

[Greed]

"Rock rock rock rock Rock N Roll High Schooool."

Great, somebody gave him weed again.

 

[Mecha]

Is that the same Heavy Metal I'm thinking of? The latest one to go on a 'we hate our fans' spergfest?

I think it's a different company, but the Writer Tim Seeley is described on this website as the Editor in Chief of Heavy Metal Magazine...So I don't know! It's not like there's a way you can cover Metal Music in a magazine without calling yourself Heavy and or Metal so there's probably a thousand different blogs, Youtube Channels, and magazines with some variation of those words.

But the short version is, Mecha and Well Read both agree that if Zack was offered a position at Marvel/DC, he would take it right away, and cheerfully bounce from the culture war.

I still 100% agree with that idea. It would never happen, but if Zack were offered a writing gig on a Marvel comic I'm betting Dollars to Donuts he would take it. Couldn't find the timestamp because of the Embed issue so word of warning to those who haven't listened to a well read stream He does this kind of NPR style with Musical Interludes of indie music. Might take a bit to find it.

I can't tell if we're meming anymore or if you and others here have really decided that the territory of "comic about friends in a band together" has been irrevocably yielded to the SJW onslaught.

It's a fucking dumb idea and in the title of the book. Maybe it's Aesthetic or Framing but the campaign page features art of the band playing. It's part of the pitch, title, and overall aesthetic. It's an intended selling point.

4 out of 6 pieces of art featured on the IGG are Musical scenes or featuring a character playing music.

But whatever, let's continue to pass judgment on comics we haven't read and declare Ya Boi a traitor and closet SJW and whatever I guess

You don't have to back a campaign to pass judgement on it.

 

[Captain Manning]

Doesn't the Attack on Titan anime deviate from the manga's plot (kind of like the first Fullmetal Alchemist anime series did)?

Couldn't tell you. I never read the AoT manga, and I'm guessing that's a good thing.

The first FMA series deviated a lot from the manga because the anime production outran the manga production. The anime producers basically made up their own story after a while. Whereas the AoT anime (like FMA: Brotherhood) is behind the manga in terms of production. That suggests the anime ending is gonna be close to the manga (but hopefully not).

You don't have to back a campaign to pass judgement on it.

Yes. I don't really care about Zack's personality and politics. I just know 499 looks like crap and doesn't interest me in the slightest. I buy products, and not people.

 

[Newman's Own]

I was actually thinking about this a few days ago after seeing some of the art for Rock n Roll Ninja.
Comics that use music as a motif don't really work for me. Just my opinion. Comics are a visual medium and music doesn't translate well into it.

Don't get me wrong, there are ways you can show movement like dancing or people playing an instrument that convey the feeling of music but for the most part the shit just doesn't work as a central theme. Seeing a drawing of a band playing with some random blurbs of text lyrics does nothing for me as a reader, especially if the band is entirely fictional and I have no frame of reference for how they might sound. You draw the Ramones playing accompanied by word balloons with the lyrics to "Commando", then I know exactly what that sounds like. Zack's rock and roll ninjas could sound like Boston or Iron Maiden or a shitty cover band that plays the VFW on the weekends.

I dunno, I just think music comics are way more miss than hit. Comics and music both play with time in completely different ways and it's hard to reconcile them in that visual form.

If punk isn't Rock n Roll than neither are the Beatles. Heavy metal, southern rock, and even rap are all recognized by the RocknRoll Hall of Fame.

Pretty much any music that finds it's roots in the RockNRoll movement of the 50s can be considered RnR by some and something else entirely by others. No one is right because there is no authority that gets to decide, only music critics that get to share their opinions.

ACDC is an extremely heavy blues band at heart but they are also RocknRoll. Either RocknRoll died in the 60s or it became what The Doors, Hendrix and CCR were doing with the genre.

Personally I don't think the Beatles are Rock and The Rolling Stones are. But my opinion doesn't matter.

(Before anyone points to Roll Over Beethoven to say The Beatles were a RnR band remember Rush did a rap song and it doesn't make them a hiphop band.)

Everybody plays lead guitar, apparently, unless six string bass is a thing.

It's pretty common for metal bands and not uncommon in rock bands.

I'm even more confused about 80s Rock N Roll after watching the trailer for Walter Hill's Streets of Fire, subtitle A Rock N Roll Fable, from 1984:

I saw that in the 80s. It was a fun movie. Worth checking out.

EDIT: The music was pretty shit though. This was the only hit from the soundtrack. Interestingly they race swapped the singer from white to black in the movie.

I can't tell if we're meming anymore or if you and others here have really decided that the territory of "comic about friends in a band together" has been irrevocably yielded to the SJW onslaught.

Pay no attention. @Mecha is a moron and a "Preston Knight".

 

[Captain Manning]

But whatever, let's continue to pass judgment on comics we haven't read and declare Ya Boi a traitor and closet SJW and whatever I guess, also if a few SJWs have made bad comics with a theme no non-SJWs are allowed to make comics with that theme anymore

I'm not gonna call Zack a traitor and closet SJW, because that's stupid. Especially the "traitor" part. Is he seriously committing high treason against a hashtag?

What I would like to say here is that I'm not sure the whole "don't judge a book by its cover" thing really works for comic books like it does for regular books. The writing in 499 would have to be REALLY exceptional for me to get over the horrible artwork. I think that's fair, and not a criticism from ignorance. Comics are as much (if not more) of a visual medium than a literary one.

So, in summary, the people who say "you haven't even read it" aren't really helping to change my mind on this one. That artwork makes my eyes bleed.

 

[Pilule Noire]

Couldn't find the timestamp because of the Embed issue so word of warning to those who haven't listened to a well read stream He does this kind of NPR style with Musical Interludes of indie music. Might take a bit to find it.

Apologies, I edited the post - it's around the 1hr 2min mark. It's quite a fun listen, Testy comes on and starts having a go at you a little bit after that.

I saw that in the 80s. It was a fun movie. Worth checking out.

EDIT: The music was pretty shit though. This was the only hit from the soundtrack. Interestingly they race swapped the singer from white to black in the movie.

It's worth watching to see a young Willem Dafoe in his villainous costume of nothing but these sort of black vinyl dungarees (which can be briefly seen in a full body shot towards the end of the trailer), and also the climactic

Spoiler

sledgehammer duel!

streetfight at the end.

It's also worthy of note for videogame fans, since this film is seen as inspiration for the classic beat 'em ups, Streets of Rage and Final Fight. 'Tom Cody' is where Cody comes from! And those stupid black dungarees can be seen as a fashion influence on some of the lower-level Final Fight toughs, who also wore silly dungaree-like outfits, but more colorful ones.

 

[jspit2.0]

Couldn't tell you. I never read the AoT manga, and I'm guessing that's a good thing.

Nah. Stories kino and the art sucks. It starts out kino and then turns to shit at the reveal.

Even then, it has its moments. The ending...is legitimately terrible.

Don't tell me your one of those anime first guys?

If punk isn't Rock n Roll than neither are the Beatles. Heavy metal, southern rock, and even rap are all recognized by the RocknRoll Hall of Fame.

It is and they are. Call me Abe Simpson cause I don't give a fuck about the RnR HoF.

Pretty much any music that finds it's roots in the RockNRoll movement of the 50s can be considered RnR by some and something else entirely by others. No one is right because there is no authority that gets to decide, only music critics that get to share their opinions.

Meh, that's too broad. Rap owes allot to OG Rock and Roll but its too different. I love how Richard's faggy boomer music comic is making us have a high level music discussion. Almost like the MovieBob thread.

Personally I don't think the Beatles are Rock and The Rolling Stones are. But my opinion doesn't matter.

The Beatles started as a pure RnR band and evolved changing up their style with each of their albums. There is a Beatles song for every person because they never did the same thing twice.

Adding to the comic discussion, music has a loooonnnnngggg history in comics.

Where comics go great with music is where they are used to capture the world and themes of music.

Brian Pulido's Chaos comics were the master of doing this for Metal.

That's because Pulido is the real deal. A life long Metal head. He's transgressing, rejecting conformity and embracing his own self.

Contrast that with posers like Scott Snyder , Tim Seely, or Brian Vissagio and it comes through.

When Dynamite bought up the Chaos universe taking advantage; they had Tim Seely relaunch it. It was largely superficial and lifeless.

Comics are a soundless, visual medium. What Punk world is Richard bringing to life? He doesn't seem Punk....at all. The book itself doesn't look it, it looks flacid,

Four vanilla guys in generic Asian village? Maybe looks at some Punk cover art.

 

[A nameless trool]

Because Dazzler, The Archies, and Josie and the Pussycats never existed...

And Scott Pilgrim VS the World was never a huge success that every SJW fails to immitate...

 

[Boobie Bomb]

Doesn't the Attack on Titan anime deviate from the manga's plot (kind of like the first Fullmetal Alchemist anime series did)?
Or was that just filler and it course corrected on the manga plot?
In any case, I'm glad I never invested my time with the series.

As for ComicsGate related material, Richard Meyer put out this video:

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Zack, we get it. The lawsuit wore you down.
While your whole "The Cultural Wars are wasteful" attitude is more or less correct, the majority of people never want to fight it.
They just want to enjoy what they like without being talked down to and demonized.
Its only a small faction of mentally ill authoritarians that want to fight and control everything to reshape it in their image.
I'll repeat I learned almost three years ago: you might not want to talk about dialectics, but the dialectics want to talk about you.

the only time AOT changed a bit from the manga was for season 3 during that one arc that revealed info on some Titan lore and fighting humans. The Creator of AOT admitted his manga story from that arc sucked balls so the anime fixed that a bit. Season 4 I don't think needed much fixing cause the manga already sucked balls now. :/

 

[Strix454]

The thing about Richard's military metaphor is that while objectives change during battles and wars, there are some basic things that don't change. We don't go erase all the videos of 9/11 from youtube for example, because we have decided to stop fighting the war. And we generally don't do pity streams for bin laden. We don't feel sorry for Bin Laden over the pressure he was under from other people in his group and other terrorists.

There are rational decisions made all the time about scaling back or ending wars or re-defining military objectives. But when that happens, you change how you fight rather than rushing out to the battlefield to give the enemy sympathy and a big hug. You may choose to leave the battlefield, but you do it walking. You don't do it on your knees. You don't beg your enemy for forgiveness, you don't rewrite your own history to please your enemy. And you continue to fight in other ways.

Richard is an adult and is free to make his own choices. But other people are free in light of those choices to offer up the opinion that he is a bitch. That bending over for Nick Spencer and censoring your own videos to attempt to please people like Mark Waid, Heather Antos and Mags isn't fighting a war in a different way. Its making a fool of yourself and a fool of the people who believed in you enough to give you money at one time.

In other words, if Richard wants to stop fighting the culture war - more power to him. But if Richard wants to re-write his own personal history by removing his videos critical of SJWs and tell us that guys like Nick Spencer are really victims we should have sympathy for & support........that isn't going to pass without comment.

We get it Richard. You have the money now. Like Mitch Breitwiser, the people who supported you served their purpose but now they don't and they are not necessary anymore. We are a hill that has no military value to you anymore because you have our money. That culture wars are really just something that can be cynically used to build up an audience and get cash. You have the money and can do what you please. But don't expect some of us to like you for doing it.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Couldn't tell you. I never read the AoT manga, and I'm guessing that's a good thing.

The first FMA series deviated a lot from the manga because the anime production outran the manga production. The anime producers basically made up their own story after a while. Whereas the AoT anime (like FMA: Brotherhood) is behind the manga in terms of production. That suggests the anime ending is gonna be close to the manga (but hopefully not).

The anime producers actually had notes from FMA's creator and consulted and planned with her on the anime only material. So they weren't pulling shit out of their ass when doing them.

Regarding AoT and the world reveal the manga Claymore had already done it without the coprophagic suckage. In that the organization who created the Claymores are in a hot/cold war with another continent who have their own bio-weapons. The anime version only had one season ending in a mother of all fuck you chiffhanger.

 

[Dong-Liquor]

As an aside, I am amused that musical group in Zach's latest has no bass player, if I'm reading the picture posted right. Everybody plays lead guitar, apparently, unless six string bass is a thing. (This setup worked for The Cramps, who were also a thing in 1981, so what the hey. Obligatory Rest In Peace Lux Interior, Nick Knox etc.)

Behold... BOH, the 6-String God of Bass

 

[Pilule Noire]

This is exceedingly accurate for most CG creators. Some people are actually selling quality hot dogs, but most are like little kids in the lemonade business. And it's not good lemonade. And they're charging $25 per cup, the little scamps.

Yeah but can you deny that Dame Gang looks fun?
Can you deny that Rock N Roll Ninja looks fun?
Are you gonna try and tell me that Cyberfrog isn't a fun character design?
Or that 499's colors aren't fun?
They're fun!
It's all fun.
Fun fun fun!
$25 is a small price to pay for something that will be fun.

 

[Greed]

The anime producers actually had notes from FMA's creator and consulted and planned with her on the anime only material. So they weren't pulling shit out of their ass when doing them.

Regarding AoT and the world reveal the manga Claymore had already done it without the coprophagic suckage. In that the organization who created the Claymores are in a hot/cold war with another continent who have their own bio-weapons. The anime version only had one season ending in a mother of all fuck you chiffhanger.

Hell, "The Village" (2004) did it better.

Claymore is excellent by the way. If anything, it's biggest failure is that it was slightly ahead of its time. One of those series that will probably be forgotten by the majority but fondly remembered by those who experienced it.

 

[Newman's Own]

The Beatles started as a pure RnR band and evolved changing up their style with each of their albums.

The Beatles started as a skiffle/pop band. John wanted to rock. The rest, not so much. What rock there was came later.

The Beatles are a rock band the same way that Justin Beiber is a rock star.

But that's just an opinion. There is no authoritative definition of Rock n Roll.

No one is right because there is no authority that gets to decide, only music critics that get to share their opinions.

 

[Odets]

Richard Sue Deconnick is prepping to quit due to his failure, so he's trying to spin this whole thing as not worth fighting for anyone. "I didn't fail, I did everything I could"