#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

"In a friendly way." Donny Cates was there to be adversarial. although he did take a beating from other SJWs for his appearance on my show. Not to mention, Marvel editorial allegedly took him to the woodshed.
Asking a guest to say "Hi comicsgate" is a bit different than requiring them declare fealty to a cause. I actually kind of like the "Hi comicsgate" gimmick because it's so exceedingly simple and goes over 90% of people's heads anyway.

Was mostly joking, considering that he was drunk enough to even come on, looking at it from that perspective, Donny boy looks like he just needed some liquid courage to be able to talk to the cool kids. I guess that's as friendly as he can get?

Him struggling to say "Hi ComicsGate" was rather telling of how much of a pussy Donny was :P
 
According to Comic Book Hut, Doug TenNapel's 6th YouTube channel got taken down last night.

Hut struggles with the justice of this, as Doug skirts his YouTube ban half a dozen times, and is caught each time. In a world where others are allowed to laugh at Tess Fowler getting sick, or tell other people to "Minecraft themselves," why is Doug, who was only talking about the election, the only one punished?


Comic Book Hut says that you were the one behind all of Doug’s channels getting taken down.




 
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Didn't see that first video, but I efaped the second one.

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Yeah, why don't you leave this kind of thing to Smug Frieza and Mr. Dongs, JSpit?

No way! It is true, messers Smug and Dongs are pillars of our community. I say, they are inspirations to be aspired to! Just because I have not reached their level; I shouldn't quit.

That would be like working in comics for thirty years and never producing anything on the level of the Cerebus or Watchmen. Should that person quit drawing? No.

I will continue to write up my takes.

Early Meyer had a Norm McDonald quality where he was able to make basic observations in the dumbest way possible, but something about the way he said it was incredibly endearing. This was during the peak of people in creative fields preaching to fans with socially-codified doublespeak, so to have this absolute normie come along and go "boy this looks dumb" *RIIIIIP* felt genuine and refreshing by contrast.
I'm saddened by the direction things have gone with Meyer. When he and Frog stream together, just the two of them, it's some of my favorite content Comicsgate has to offer. Unfortunately I don't know if that will ever happen again.
As annoying as I find Meyer's stubbornness, I can somewhat understand it. You can tell me to watch a movie a hundred times, and each time you tell me to watch it, you're only prolonging the time before I actually do. The only way to actually get me to watch something is to plant the idea in my head and wait until I forget about the conversation. Meyer is the same way. He needs and idea to feel fresh, to feel new, and more than anything, to feel like HIS idea. He will never embrace an idea unless you're able to convince him that he's the one who came up with it. This isn't Frog's strong suit. Frog's approach is to gently nudge a person in his desired direction, repeatedly, over time, contrasting the positives of his option against the negatives of the alternative. This is a perfectly effective persuasion tactic for 95% of people, but it will NEVER work on Richard C. Meyer. The more Meyer is pushed to the forefront of Comicsgate and lionized as a saint, the more he will subconsciously thrash about and reject everything that's being forced upon him, often at the peril of those doing the lionizing. This is a man who needs to be dealt with like water. You can't push water in a desired direction, but you can create avenues for it to travel, paths of least resistance. Until Frog understands this and learns to work around it, the gap between Meyer's actions and the primary Comicsgate narrative will only widen.

Comparing him to Norm...eh? I dunno about that. I do agree that as long as you try to force a coughy, dimwit square peg into a round hole; your going to have problems.

Comic Book Hut says that you were the one behind all of Doug’s channel getting taken down.





Mhmmm? Is Frog the terror flapping in the night?

Poor Trump Boomer.
 
Jesus fucking christ fellas. I haven't read this thread in a minute but the spergy slapfights and tinfoil hat shit is why the hangers on thread was created.

Word on the street is comic writer Rick Remender published "scumbag" through image, made a ton of money then booty fucked his artist.

@NasserRabadi13 sound familiar?

@FROG make LaRosa an offer he can't refuse. When he does, SJW's will pay his medical bills to virtue signal. Either way this is a talented artist that needs money for medical bills and he got fucked by the comics cabal.

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Jesus fucking christ fellas. I haven't read this thread in a minute but the spergy slapfights and tinfoil hat shit is why the hangers on thread was created.

Word on the street is comic writer Rick Remender published "scumbag" through image, made a ton of money then booty fucked his artist.

@NasserRabadi13 sound familiar?

@FROG make LaRosa an offer he can't refuse. When he does, SJW's will pay his medical bills to virtue signal. Either way this is a talented artist that needs money for medical bills and he got fucked by the comics cabal.

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Remender is one of the worst SJW pieces of shit in the industry. LaRosa is also one of my favorite artists. This is heartbreaking. But there's more, it's not just artists who are getting screwed, writers not getting paid by a Chinese conglomerate that bought Valiant Comics:

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Dysart is a very talented writer, but he's also a pretty hardcore commie too. I wonder what it will take for these people to learn that this is the end results of those ideologies. China will screw us all.
 
Remender is one of the worst SJW pieces of shit in the industry. LaRosa is also one of my favorite artists. This is heartbreaking. But there's more, it's not just artists who are getting screwed, writers not getting paid by a Chinese conglomerate that bought Valiant Comics:

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Dysart is a very talented writer, but he's also a pretty hardcore commie too. I wonder what it will take for these people to learn that this is the end results of those ideologies. China will screw us all.
Fuck‘em. The piece of shit got what he asked for.
 
Either way this is a talented artist that needs money for medical bills and he got fucked by the comics cabal.
I don't use Twitter, but I went over there to sort of bask in all the "Fuck Rick Remender" going on.

One user said they'd never support or review anything Remender writes again, and LaRosa's reply was extremely classy:

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That's got to be the worst part about the collaborative effort; one person does something shitty and it fucks the ride up for everyone. As much as I think comic writers are important, lots of them are absolute cunts and the artists (the workhorses) can end up suffering for it. Ben Templesmith can't get Fell off the ground because Ellis jerked off to a gaggle of store brand Suicide Girls.

I purchased the first TPB of Scumbag a couple of weeks ago when I was looking for something new. It looked amusing and Image's pricing of first volumes at $9.99 coupled with some really good art made it a buy for me, regardless of how much of a shit I think Remender is. I have yet to read it, but now I'm sort of pissed I gave the idiot a dime.
 
I don't use Twitter, but I went over there to sort of bask in all the "Fuck Rick Remender" going on.

One user said they'd never support or review anything Remender writes again, and LaRosa's reply was extremely classy:

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That's got to be the worst part about the collaborative effort; one person does something shitty and it fucks the ride up for everyone. As much as I think comic writers are important, lots of them are absolute cunts and the artists (the workhorses) can end up suffering for it. Ben Templesmith can't get Fell off the ground because Ellis jerked off to a gaggle of store brand Suicide Girls.

I purchased the first TPB of Scumbag a couple of weeks ago when I was looking for something new. It looked amusing and Image's pricing of first volumes at $9.99 coupled with some really good art made it a buy for me, regardless of how much of a shit I think Remender is. I have yet to read it, but now I'm sort of pissed I gave the idiot a dime.
This is what Shane Davis was saying.
 
This is what Shane Davis was saying.
And he was absolutely correct, even if his perspective is sort of skewed against the necessity of having a writer as part of the creative process:
"the reason they're writers [is because] they don't know how to draw okay? They would just be creating the books on their own"

While I take his point, it's just as valid to say many artists can't write for shit. Some guys can pull it off but not everyone is Byrne or Simonson. Neal Adams is a legendary artist and his writing is absolutely atrocious.

Were it me, I'd probably not want to take the risk of having my livelihood depend on the moral failings of a coworker you barely know (particularly in this climate) regardless of how good at their job they are. I'd just have to take criticism for my poor to mediocre writing on the chin and strive to improve that aspect of my work as I go on. Maybe run my scripts past some people with writing/editing experience and pick up pointers along the way.

You can be tag team champions but it only takes one of you getting pinned to drop the belts.
 

More breadtubers are testing the waters with Comicsgate-related content, in this case The Serfs made a reaction video to Forced Adversity's video, wherein the pudgy neckbearded bespectacled man challenged Meyer to meet him face to face and settle this like men, "ya bitchass cuuuck". Something for Commie Mark to look at I guess.





07/21/2021 - F OFF WELL READ - BERSERK LOVE STREAM

Times have been tough for the sophisticated Comicsgate autism connoisseur lately; ever since the Oz Show was boarded up and put out of business, the Oz Show regulars have been spread to the four winds. Reuniting is difficult even the smallest CG streamers won't have most if not any of them on. Some of the Oz Show alumni have gone on to set up their own channels to get around this, but due to constant drunken infighting, a chaotic, shifting landscape of vendettas, boycotts and bans prevents the old gang from getting back together.

Today is a good day then as Well Read User1, along with Comicsgate ne'erdowells Amit Raina, Smug Pug, Testefy_HD and El Hombre have assembled in a hoadie ring around drunken oaf Berserk Guts and drunken wretch Ryzie Lee to poke them with sticks and watch them stumble and fight on a Wednesday night. It starts off catching up where Berserk Guts has been; he was last seen on Liam's show as a substitute co-host for draw streams and hanging around Warcampaign, but he dropped off after that. Nobody expects Berserk Guts of having anything better to do so an explanation is demanded; Berserk says that Warcampaign threw him out, presumably for being too loud and stupid for even them, and Liam started to get suspicious of Berserk #romancing his Wonder Island artist Manga-chan, and/or Liam telling Manga-chan that Berserk Guts was gay, which chilled relations between the two.

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Ryzie joins soon after, demanding in warbling slurs why all these losers are licking this hairy retard's taint. Berserk asks El Hombre how Panboy is doing, to which Ryzie threatens to show him all of Pan's dox for no other reason then to trigger Berserk Guts. This works as Berserk Guts starts ranting wildly about Ryzie's narcing on WC to Crypto Comics back in 2019. Things start to get much more incoherent from here on out as Ryzie and Berserk threaten death on each other amidst of flood of "faggot", "loser" and "retard".

Testefy_HD enters the stream at 45 minutes in to join in on the festivities of calling Berserk Guts retarded, to which Berserk somewhat predictably replies by bringing up Anna and challenging Well Read to bring in Testefy's former friend Stupendous. Since Well Read can't just summon Comicsgaters out of the ether to even the odds, Berserk Guts is left having to contend with both Ryzie and Testefy.


It's at this point that Frog, working on Rekt Planet, is passing by the small stream of screaming drunks in his proverbial limousine, takes notice. Now, some leaders might have kept on driving by and pretended not to notice, like Meyer. Others like Doug Ernst would have tried to intervene, saying this display damages the brand and good name of Comicsgate. Frog though shows himself to be a true Man of the People in this case by stopping what he's doing, pulling over and grabbing a stick to join in.

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Berserk Guts proving he doesn't live in his mom's basement by going upstairs and showing off his kitchen fridge containing only beer as well as pouring cereal all over the floor.

Testefy leaves in protest to "toy streamer" Simple Jack joining while Ryzie's battery is getting low, so the Australian signs off by saying everyone on the show can suck his fucking dick and that he sincerely hopes that the next time Berserk Guts starts leaving his mom's basement he trips up and breaks his neck and dies. Nobody thinks for a second that Ryzie won't be back once his phone is recharged. Berserk, the unexpected and completely by chance victor against Ryzie and Testefy, celebrates by spinning a wile origin story for Testefy about him killing a family in a car accident and then waking from a coma bent on revenge against Liam and Anna, or something. Edwin Boyette in the chat wonders what the point of all this was.

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El Hombre uses the mention to pivot and ask if the panel has heard about "Micah Curtis stabbing Liam in the back for leaving Comicsgate"; Berserk Guts blames Frog for the destruction of Liam, followed by the opaque statement that "no one is really CG. Not really." Frog joins at just over an hour to enjoy gawking at the 'drunken retards'. El Hombre, offended at being called a retard, grouses "whaddya want fatty? Don't you have a fucking comic to draw or something you fat piece of shit?" by way of greeting, but eventually shuffles over and makes a spot for Frog in the hoadie ring, I suspect mostly because Hombre was interested in Frog's thoughts on the parting of ways between Micah and Liam Gray.

Frog is dismayed and confused over this news; Micah and Liam have been inseparable buddies throughout their magical Comicsgate journey. The two of them might engage in constant self-sabotage, but one of the few things that Frog could count on was that Micah and Liam would support each other in that self-sabotage no matter what, through thick and thicker; Micah was the Samwise Gamgee to Liam's Frodo, reliably fussing like an old schoolmarm over the Orange Koala as he underwent various stages of derangement and struggle.

Well Read loads up the "Am I still Comicsgate" video for review, but this becomes a struggle as Frog rails against having to shout over Ryzie (who has returned at this point) and Berserk screaming over one another, Micah's glacial talking speed and Well Read's insistence on bringing on guests like "Andy" who's contribution to the stream is to sit and say nothing while adding shrieking microphone feedback in addition to coughing, lip-smacking eating and crinkling plastic into the mic. Frog tries to impart on Well Read the idea that if he wants his channel to be successful, he should try to make a show that is at least listenable to his audience. But Well Read stands firm in his stance that his show is a solemn continuation of the values and principles set forth by the Oz Show; a staunch advocate in the virtue having anyone on his show, no matter how little they have to contribute or how disruptive they are to any intelligible conversation, for as long as they want to be on the show. The reasoning of this is lost on Frog though.

El Hombre, it somehow falling on him to keep the conversation on track, points out that Leedle was in Micah's chat supportive of his decision of leaving Liam to burn. Frog goes over his history with Micah, which is one of growing resentment of Micah always being the first on his livestreams to promote his comics and.. less than ideal contributions to his show. "I don't really have anything against Micah except that everything he says is stupid and wrong", Frog says, clarifying his position. There's also the matter of Micah enabling and providing public apologetics for each and every one of Liam's decisions that led to him being ejected from "normal" CG society , including vitriolically denouncing the movement itself. Which makes this late-day divorce from Liam very curious; Frog would respect Micah more if he stood by Liam. Ryzie continues to scream at Berserk Guts and, unpromped, says that he never went after Anna or her sister.

At an hour and a half, surprise guest Micah Curtis joins the stream to clear some things up. Or not, saying that any details he gave would be pointless, ignite more conflict and only serve to make things worse. "Cool", says Frog, insisting Micah tell the panel everything he knows. Micah plays coy over specifics, but will say that they had a massive disagreement over something that Liam was up to behind the scenes. Berserk Guts, for the first time in at least a year, sides with Frog in demanding Micah spit it out "you fucking pussy" and starts picking a fight while Ryzie, unhappy with the focus of the stream being taken away from him, belches and burps into the mic as Micah slowly dissembles. This leads to the rest of the panel openly demanding Well Read put Ryzie in the back room with Frog calling Berserk Guts "a pile of human wreckage"; Well Read refuses at first, saying "Ryzie is the voice of the people", but eventually accedes. The big thing, says Micah, is that Liam is in a low mental state and that it was starting to effect Micah.

Frog opines that Micah's story about him abandoning Liam when he is struggling mentally and up to shit that he knew was a bad idea doesn't really reflect that well on the sleeveless one. Micah says there's no need for Frog to let his personal dislike of him make this situation seem more of what it is; Micah and Liam just need their space from each other. The rest of the panel laughs at how gay this sounds while Frog concern trolls Micah about leaving Liam in his moment of need. Micah assures everyone that Liam will be just fine without him and Frog inquires Micah about how gay Wonder Island looks, and with that Smug Pug hopes out loud that there has been some closure on this deeply touching issues. Frog says he feels better about this separation between Liam and Micah. El Hombre even feel a bit better about Frog calling him retarded.

Next is Frog to work through his feelings towards Micah Curtis and his lasting umbrage when Micah called Frog a dork on The Oz Show #53 and that he does better without Frog's help. Something that's not really bearing out with the trajectory of Englewood #2. Micah apologizes and says he didn't know Frog would be so upset at being called a dork. Frog laboriously explains it was the ingratitude after putting Micah on his show for exposure and promotion for a year that galled him, not him being called "a dork". Micah apologizes again and says he appreciates all the help Frog has given him over the years. Frog says he is welcome, as are all the people who he's helped over the years only for them to turn around and spit in his face. He adds that they're welcome to see what happens afterwards, as Micah is experiencing at the moment with Englewood #2.

Berserk Guts interjects to call out DA Talks (who has joined the stream), Frog's codefendent, of being a sue happy bitch who is probably trying to sue Frog (?) or something. Dean for his part just looks visibly confused while Frog scolds Well Read for letting Berserk Guts back in., but Well Read sticks to his guns this time and insists Berserk Guts stays.

Micah, clearly exasperated, uses this to clear the air and apologize, saying that he had no idea Frog took his comments saying "he did better without Ethan than with him" the way he did. Frog says Micah's declarations were taken exactly as they were intended and now he's going to yell at him again. But before he can, Micah gets his balls up and demands Frog shut the fuck up for five minutes so he can make his case - his latest project Three Knights, Four Days was quite successful and he did it without going on Frog's show. Frog contends that he did help Three Knights, Four Days, but other than a single tweet made in March 2020 for the signup list, I can't find or recall anything to that effect. Though I would argue this had everything to do with Micah getting a decent artist (Preston Acevedo) for 3K4D versus the frankly inferior artwork for Englewood.

Steering the conversation back to Liam, Well Read gently prods Micah on what's going on with the founder of CONQUEST COMICS. Micah describes someone who is increasingly obsessed over what people are saying about him. Frog says there's been no real change in Liam's behavior as far as he can ta tell, that's he's going to be a father and even built a shed. But if he needs a friend, Micah should definitely reach out to him. DA Talks throws Micah a bone by saying he really enjoyed Micah's ongoing feud with the giant tranny Chloe Handler, saying his decision to refer to Chloe as "he" and mock his appearance was "based". Approval from DA Talks does raise Micah's spirits a bit as the panel goes from dunking on Micah to supporting him on dunking on Chloe's jutting chin and manhands.

Tensions dial down significantly from here on out as everyone in the panel finds common ground and reminisce over other things, like Doug being blacklisted from Youtube for ban evasion, and Edwin being the first Comicsgater to be featured on CNN. The stream sort of tapers off as Frog moves on to venting about other former Comisgaters like Smiller. Simple Jack asks about his upcoming frog toys but Frog says nobody comes here for that. Anyways, fuck Mike. After about an hour of this catharsis and the absence of Berserk Guts or Ryzie, Well Read's stream takes on a tone of almost Comicsgate normalcy as Micah starts taking about Shang-Chi's reception in China or whatever and the chat trades conspiracy theories about CNN and globalist media before quietly petering out at three and a half hours in. Overall a long-overdue reunion of the Oz Show (minus Oz).

So what was the blowback from the show?



Ryzie went on various streams to complain about being hard done by by Comicsgate youtubers who prioritize "big people" like Frog over guys like himself and Berserk Guts. Ryzie vows to boycott all of them, soon their channels will fail because of the absence of Ryzie drunkenly shouting over everyone else. Well Read and Smug Pug will be crying up to the skies shouting "Save us, Ryzie. Save us!" And Ryzie will look down and whisper "No.".



Liam Gray took to youtube to clear the air about his separation with fellow esteemed creator Micah Curtis. Liam relates a series of events where in order to juice up interest and relevance for his shows, he takes on a character. One that he reminds the viewer that owns the likeness of and will flag your channel over any infringement of his intellectual property. The point being, the joke's on you, Liam was only pretending to be crazy and retarded. But also the people in Liam's backroom like Micah and Lydilol also completely bought Liam's masterful performance and started desperately trying to tardwrangle him and keep him from doing things instead of just accepting that Liam knows what he's doing. Liam's DM group for coordinating streams in time became an instrument for trying to control and oppress him.

What caused the separation between Micah and Liam, in Liam's retelling, was a planned "kayfabe" rivalry between Liam and Oz, which MIcah objected to, presumably on the grounds of being fake and gay, and refusing to having anything to do with it. Liam was deeply disappointed in this, attributing Micah's abandonment as Americans not understanding the Australian concept of "mates". A true mate always supports his friend now matter what, regardless of how ruinous it is to him and everyone around him. For example, when Liam went on the Oz Show #53 to scream about "Mista focken Van Scoivah" was a ploy to draw heat away from Micah and on to himself. Liam admits that this didn't really turn out that way and instead just made him radioactive to anyone associated with him, including Micah. At least now Liam knows who his true friends really are.
 
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That was so much better than JSpit's horrible bullshit. Thank you, Mister Dongs, for your service.
 
Word on the street is comic writer Rick Remender published "scumbag" through image, made a ton of money then booty fucked his artist.

Did they have a profit sharing agreement or a page rate?

@NasserRabadi13 sound familiar?

@FROG make LaRosa an offer he can't refuse. When he does, SJW's will pay his medical bills to virtue signal. Either way this is a talented artist that needs money for medical bills and he got fucked by the comics cabal.

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Remender being a cunt is par for the course.

Remender is one of the worst SJW pieces of shit in the industry. LaRosa is also one of my favorite artists. This is heartbreaking. But there's more, it's not just artists who are getting screwed, writers not getting paid by a Chinese conglomerate that bought Valiant Comics:

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Dysart is a very talented writer, but he's also a pretty hardcore commie too. I wonder what it will take for these people to learn that this is the end results of those ideologies. China will screw us all.

This is what Shane Davis was saying.
And he was absolutely correct, even if his perspective is sort of skewed against the necessity of having a writer as part of the creative process:


While I take his point, it's just as valid to say many artists can't write for shit. Some guys can pull it off but not everyone is Byrne or Simonson. Neal Adams is a legendary artist and his writing is absolutely atrocious.

Were it me, I'd probably not want to take the risk of having my livelihood depend on the moral failings of a coworker you barely know (particularly in this climate) regardless of how good at their job they are. I'd just have to take criticism for my poor to mediocre writing on the chin and strive to improve that aspect of my work as I go on. Maybe run my scripts past some people with writing/editing experience and pick up pointers along the way.

You can be tag team champions but it only takes one of you getting pinned to drop the belts.

I...disagree. Is this crap with Remender scummy? Maybe. What was the agreement between Remender and the artist? Mark Millar gives his collaborators 50% ownership of a title.

Creators haven't been truly oppressed since the God damned 70s. Neil Adams and others fucking fought hard for real change when artists were getting screwed. Since then, Western creators are spoiled with insane benefits. You can do a fucking comic book in the 1980s and still see a piece of that. You get your original artwork back.

You know what the worst part is? No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to work on corporate properties. You took a page rate. That's fucking free market economics!

You want to be an owner? You wanna get the residuals? Take the risk. I guarantee you, Alan Moore got a paycheck from DC. He got a paycheck whether his work sold or not. Same with all these other guys. Boy, wouldn't I love a deal were I took zero risk on the front end and reaped any windfall on the back.


More breadtubers are testing the waters with Comicsgate-related content, in this case The Serfs made a reaction video to Forced Adversity's video, wherein the pudgy neckbearded bespectacled man challenged Meyer to meet him face to face and settle this like men, "ya bitchass cuuuck". Something for Commie Mark to look at I guess.





07/21/2021 - F OFF WELL READ - BERSERK LOVE STREAM

Times have been tough for the sophisticated Comicsgate autism connoisseur lately; ever since the Oz Show was boarded up and put out of business, the Oz Show regulars have been spread to the four winds. Reuniting is difficult even the smallest CG streamers won't have most if not any of them on. Some of the Oz Show alumni have gone on to set up their own channels to get around this, but due to constant drunken infighting, a chaotic, shifting landscape of boycotts and bans prevents the old gang from getting back together.

Today is a good day then as Well Read User1, along with Comicsgate ne'erdowells Amit Raina, Smug Pug, Testefy_HD and El Hombre have assembled in a hoadie ring around drunken oaf Berserk Guts and drunken wretch Ryzie Lee to poke them with sticks and watch them stumble and fight on a Wednesday night. It starts off catching up where Berserk Guts has been; he was last seen on Liam's show as a substitute co-host for draw streams and hanging around Warcampaign, but he dropped off after that. Nobody expects Berserk Guts of having anything better to do so an explanation is demanded; Berserk says that Warcampaign threw him out, presumably for being too loud and stupid for even them, and Liam started to get suspicious of Berserk #romancing his Wonder Island artist Manga-chan, and/or Liam telling Manga-chan that Berserk Guts was gay, which chilled relations between the two.

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Ryzie joins soon after, demanding in warbling slurs why all these losers are licking this hairy retard's taint. Berserk asks El Hombre how Panboy is doing, to which Ryzie threatens to show him all of Pan's dox for no other reason then to trigger Berserk Guts. This works as Berserk Guts starts ranting wildly about Ryzie's narcing on WC to Crypto Comics back in 2019. Things start to get much more incoherent from here on out as Ryzie and Berserk threaten death on each other amidst of flood of "faggot", "loser" and "retard".

Testefy_HD enters the stream at 45 minutes in to join in on the festivities of calling Berserk Guts retarded, to which Berserk somewhat predictably replies by bringing up Anna and challenging Well Read to bring in Testefy's former friend Stupendous. Since Well Read can't just summon Comicsgaters out of the ether to even the odds, Berserk Guts is left having to contend with both Ryzie and Testefy.


It's at this point that Frog, working on Rekt Planet, is passing by the small stream of screaming drunks in his proverbial limousine, takes notice. Now, some leaders might have kept on driving by and pretended not to notice, like Meyer. Others like Doug Ernst would have tried to intervene, saying this display damages the brand and good name of Comicsgate. Frog though shows himself to be a true Man of the People in this case by stopping what he's doing, pulling over and grabbing a stick to join in.

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Berserk Guts proving he doesn't live in his mom's basement by going upstairs and showing off his kitchen fridge containing only beer as well as pouring cereal all over the floor.

Testefy leaves in protest to "toy streamer" Simple Jack joining while Ryzie's battery is getting low, so the Australian signs off by saying everyone on the show can suck his fucking dick and that he sincerely hopes that the next time Berserk Guts starts leaving his mom's basement he trips up and breaks his neck and dies. Nobody thinks for a second that Ryzie won't be back once his phone is recharged. Berserk, the unexpected and completely by chance victor against Ryzie and Testefy, celebrates by spinning a wile origin story for Testefy about him killing a family in a car accident and then waking from a coma bent on revenge against Liam and Anna, or something. Edwin Boyette in the chat wonders what the point of all this was.

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El Hombre uses the mention to pivot and ask if the panel has heard about "Micah Curtis stabbing Liam in the back for leaving Comicsgate"; Berserk Guts blames Frog for the destruction of Liam, followed by the opaque statement that "no one is really CG. Not really." Frog joins at just over an hour to enjoy gawking at the 'drunken retards'. El Hombre, offended at being called a retard, grouses "whaddya want fatty? Don't you have a fucking comic to draw or something you fat piece of shit?" by way of greeting, but eventually shuffles over and makes a spot for Frog in the hoadie ring, I suspect mostly because Hombre was interested in Frog's thoughts on the parting of ways between Micah and Liam Gray.

Frog is dismayed and confused over this news; Micah and Liam have been inseparable buddies throughout their magical Comicsgate journey. The two of them might engage in constant self-sabotage, but one of the few things that Frog could count on was that Micah and Liam would support each other in that self-sabotage no matter what, through thick and thicker; Micah was the Samwise Gamgee to Liam's Frodo, reliably fussing like an old schoolmarm over the Orange Koala as he underwent various stages of derangement and struggle.

Well Read loads up the "Am I still Comicsgate" video for review, but this becomes a struggle as Frog rails against having to shout over Ryzie (who has returned at this point) and Berserk screaming over one another, Micah's glacial talking speed and Well Read's insistence on bringing on guests like "Andy" who's contribution to the stream is to sit and say nothing while adding shrieking microphone feedback in addition to coughing, lip-smacking eating and crinkling plastic into the mic. Frog tries to impart on Well Read the idea that if he wants his channel to be successful, he should try to make a show that is at least listenable to his audience. But Well Read stands firm in his stance that his show is a solemn continuation of the values and principles set forth by the Oz Show; a staunch advocate in the virtue having anyone on his show, no matter how little they have to contribute or how disruptive they are to any intelligible conversation, for as long as they want to be on the show. The reasoning of this is lost on Frog though.

El Hombre, it somehow falling on him to keep the conversation on track, points out that Leedle was in Micah's chat supportive of his decision of leaving Liam to burn. Frog goes over his history with Micah, which is one of growing resentment of Micah always being the first on his livestreams to promote his comics and.. less than ideal contributions to his show. "I don't really have anything against Micah except that everything he says is stupid and wrong", Frog says, clarifying his position. There's also the matter of Micah enabling and providing public apologetics for each and every one of Liam's decisions that led to him being ejected from "normal" CG society , including vitriolically denouncing the movement itself. Which makes this late-day divorce from Liam very curious; Frog would respect Micah more if he stood by Liam. Ryzie continues to scream at Berserk Guts and, unpromped, says that he never went after Anna or her sister.

At an hour and a half, surprise guest Micah Curtis joins the stream to clear some things up. Or not, saying that any details he gave would be pointless, ignite more conflict and only serve to make things worse. "Cool", says Frog, insisting Micah tell the panel everything he knows. Micah plays coy over specifics, but will say that they had a massive disagreement over something that Liam was up to behind the scenes. Berserk Guts, for the first time in at least a year, sides with Frog in demanding Micah spit it out "you fucking pussy" and starts picking a fight while Ryzie, unhappy with the focus of the stream being taken away from him, belches and burps into the mic as Micah slowly dissembles. This leads to the rest of the panel openly demanding Well Read put Ryzie in the back room with Frog calling Berserk Guts "a pile of human wreckage"; Well Read refuses at first, saying "Ryzie is the voice of the people", but eventually accedes. The big thing, says Micah, is that Liam is in a low mental state and that it was starting to effect Micah.

Frog opines that Micah's story about him abandoning Liam when he is struggling mentally and up to shit that he knew was a bad idea doesn't really reflect that well on the sleeveless one. Micah says there's no need for Frog to let his personal dislike of him make this situation seem more of what it is; Micah and Liam just need their space from each other. The rest of the panel laughs at how gay this sounds while Frog concern trolls Micah about leaving Liam in his moment of need. Micah assures everyone that Liam will be just fine without him and Frog inquires Micah about how gay Wonder Island looks, and with that Smug Pug hopes out loud that there has been some closure on this deeply touching issues. Frog says he feels better about this separation between Liam and Micah. El Hombre even feel a bit better about Frog calling him retarded.

Next is Frog to work through his feelings towards Micah Curtis and his lasting umbrage when Micah called Frog a dork on The Oz Show #53 and that he does better without Frog's help. Something that's not really bearing out with the trajectory of Englewood #2. Micah apologizes and says he didn't know Frog would be so upset at being called a dork. Frog laboriously explains it was the ingratitude after putting Micah on his show for exposure and promotion for a year that galled him, not him being called "a dork". Micah apologizes again and says he appreciates all the help Frog has given him over the years. Frog says he is welcome, as are all the people who he's helped over the years only for them to turn around and spit in his face. He adds that they're welcome to see what happens afterwards, as Micah is experiencing at the moment with Englewood #2.

Berserk Guts interjects to call out DA Talks (who has joined the stream), Frog's codefendent, of being a sue happy bitch who is probably trying to sue Frog (?) or something. Dean for his part just looks visibly confused while Frog scolds Well Read for letting Berserk Guts back in., but Well Read sticks to his guns this time and insists Berserk Guts stays.

Micah, clearly exasperated, uses this to clear the air and apologize, saying that he had no idea Frog took his comments saying "he did better without Ethan than with him" the way he did. Frog says Micah's declarations were taken exactly as they were intended and now he's going to yell at him again. But before he can, Micah gets his balls up and demands Frog shut the fuck up for five minutes so he can make his case - his latest project Three Knights, Four Days was quite successful and he did it without going on Frog's show. Frog contends that he did help Three Knights, Four Days, but other than a single tweet made in March 2020 for the signup list, I can't find or recall anything to that effect. Though I would argue this had everything to do with Micah getting a decent artist (Preston Acevedo) for 3K4D versus the frankly inferior artwork for Englewood.

Steering the conversation back to Liam, Well Read gently prods Micah on what's going on with the founder of CONQUEST COMICS. Micah describes someone who is increasingly obsessed over what people are saying about him. Frog says there's been no real change in Liam's behavior as far as he can ta tell, that's he's going to be a father and even built a shed. But if he needs a friend, Micah should definitely reach out to him. DA Talks throws Micah a bone by saying he really enjoyed Micah's ongoing feud with the giant tranny Chloe Handler, saying his decision to refer to Chloe as "he" and mock his appearance was "based". Approval from DA Talks does raise Micah's spirits a bit as the panel goes from dunking on Micah to supporting him on dunking on Chloe's jutting chin and manhands.

Tensions dial down significantly from here on out as everyone in the panel finds common ground and reminisce over other things, like Doug being blacklisted from Youtube for ban evasion, and Edwin being the first Comicsgater to be featured on CNN. The stream sort of tapers off as Frog moves on to venting about other former Comisgaters like Smiller. Simple Jack asks about his upcoming frog toys but Frog says nobody comes here for that. Anyways, fuck Mike. After about an hour of this catharsis and the absence of Berserk Guts or Ryzie, Well Read's stream takes on a tone of almost Comicsgate normalcy as Micah starts taking about Shang-Chi's reception in China or whatever and the chat trades conspiracy theories about CNN and globalist media before quietly petering out at three and a half hours in. Overall a long-overdue reunion of the Oz Show (minus Oz).

So what was the blowback from the show?



Ryzie went on various streams to complain about being hard done by by Comicsgate youtubers who prioritize "big people" like Frog over guys like himself and Berserk Guts. Ryzie vows to boycott all of them, soon their channels will fail because of the absence of Ryzie drunkenly shouting over everyone else. Well Read and Smug Pug will be crying up to the skies shouting "Save us, Ryzie. Save us!" And Ryzie will look down and whisper "No.".



Liam Gray took to youtube to clear the air about his separation with fellow esteemed creator Micah Curtis. Liam relates a series of events where in order to juice up interest and relevance for his shows, he takes on a character. One that he reminds the viewer that owns the likeness of and will flag your channel over any infringement of his intellectual property. The point being, the joke's on you, Liam was only pretending to be crazy and retarded. But also the people in Liam's backroom like Micah and Lydilol also completely bought Liam's masterful performance and started desperately trying to tardwrangle him and keep him from doing things instead of just accepting that Liam knows what he's doing. Liam's DM group for coordinating streams in time became an instrument for trying to control and oppress him.

What caused the separation between Micah and Liam, in Liam's retelling, was a planned "kayfabe" rivalry between Liam and Oz, which MIcah objected to, presumably on the grounds of being fake and gay, and refusing to having anything to do with it. Liam was deeply disappointed in this, attributing Micah's abandonment as Americans not understanding the Australian concept of "mates". A true mate always supports his friend now matter what, regardless of how ruinous it is to him and everyone around him. For example, when Liam went on the Oz Show #53 to scream about "Mista focken Van Scoivah" was a ploy to draw heat away from Micah and on to himself. Liam admits that this didn't really turn out that way and instead just made him radioactive to anyone associated with him, including Micah. At least now Liam knows who his true friends really are.

Truly a friend in need is a friend without want.

Also, way to for a certain froggy to stay classy. Jersey gonna Jersey.

That was so much better than JSpit's horrible bullshit. Thank you, Mister Dongs, for your service.

I agree! ;)
 
Did they have a profit sharing agreement or a page rate?



Remender being a cunt is par for the course.






I...disagree. Is this crap with Remender scummy? Maybe. What was the agreement between Remender and the artist? Mark Millar gives his collaborators 50% ownership of a title.

Creators haven't been truly oppressed since the God damned 70s. Neil Adams and others fucking fought hard for real change when artists were getting screwed. Since then, Western creators are spoiled with insane benefits. You can do a fucking comic book in the 1980s and still see a piece of that. You get your original artwork back.

You know what the worst part is? No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to work on corporate properties. You took a page rate. That's fucking free market economics!

You want to be an owner? You wanna get the residuals? Take the risk. I guarantee you, Alan Moore got a paycheck from DC. He got a paycheck whether his work sold or not. Same with all these other guys. Boy, wouldn't I love a deal were I took zero risk on the front end and reaped any windfall on the back.



Truly a friend in need is a friend without want.

Also, way to for a certain froggy to stay classy. Jersey gonna Jersey.



I agree! ;)
I love those drunks!
 
I...disagree. Is this crap with Remender scummy? Maybe. What was the agreement between Remender and the artist? Mark Millar gives his collaborators 50% ownership of a title.

Creators haven't been truly oppressed since the God damned 70s. Neil Adams and others fucking fought hard for real change when artists were getting screwed. Since then, Western creators are spoiled with insane benefits. You can do a fucking comic book in the 1980s and still see a piece of that. You get your original artwork back.

You know what the worst part is? No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to work on corporate properties. You took a page rate. That's fucking free market economics!

You want to be an owner? You wanna get the residuals? Take the risk. I guarantee you, Alan Moore got a paycheck from DC. He got a paycheck whether his work sold or not. Same with all these other guys. Boy, wouldn't I love a deal were I took zero risk on the front end and reaped any windfall on the back.
I have no clue what the agreement was between Remender and LaRosa. It's a creator owned property, so I imagine Remender drew up the conditions of the contract and if he broke them, he's probably open for a lawsuit. LaRosa hasn't mentioned any legal action, so I have to assume this was some sort of handshake or gentleman's agreement having to do with royalties based on sales or something like that. LaRosa's assertion that Remender accused him of faking an illness as an excuse to leave the project is pretty fucking low, setting aside the royalties issue.

The scummy part is that Remender, rather than publicly disavow or acknowledge LaRosa's claims, has gone full DFE mode and completely scrubbed his Twitter account. Doesn't exactly send the message that he's done nothing wrong and that his business practices were above board.

Also, I'm not making the claim that creators are oppressed at all, just that the stupid antics of writers can have a dramatic impact on the income of artists without it having anything to do with the pitfalls of work for hire contracts. Remender or Ellis does something shitty and people start a movement to cancel/boycott them, it fucks up every artist they've worked with. Writers tend to have several books/series on their resumes and much of those works are collected in trades and kept in print, with royalties of those books still going to the creators. A boycott of Warren Ellis' work doesn't just screw Ellis, it fucks over Bryan Hitch, Tom Raney, Darick Robertson, Ben Templesmith, Cully Hamner, and others. One writer getting canceled can have a huge effect, far greater than a single artist getting canceled.
 
He talked about the AZ audit and got kicked like 20 other channels that day... mr frog didnt do nothing...
We all know Doug TenNapel is too much of a boomer to know what a VPN he is. Within microseconds of registering a new account or borrowing someone else's password, a script detecting his IP address has already flagged the account as belong to a QAnon conspiracy theory peddler with a history of ban evasion.

It's almost August and that was January. I wonder how much longer Doug will keep searching for another fix after that fleeting taste of Youtube fame.
 
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