#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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i think that most comicsgate people dont even know why manga/anime is popular. Listening to them, you would think its only popular cause of girls and their boobs, which is way off. Sure, there is some manga, that is just for that audience, that want to look at some sexy drawings, but most popular manga dont really concentrate on that stuff. What makes it popular and pretty damn good is the story and their characters, 2 things that are pretty much dead in american comics and comicsgate books. Japanese guys also know how to make new stuff and dont have to come up with new issues of the same ip every couple of years. Yes, there are some long running manga, like One Piece, Naruto/Boruto, Dragon Ball,... but they are also just one story. They dont have to reboot or remake them, cause the sales go down or they get canceled. American artists should also not compare to the mangaka, as they are working non-stop. Releasing 16 pages every single week is fucking insane and most of them dont have bunch of editors. There is also just one author (99% of the time) who draws and writes and thats why the story doesnt change when you hire a stupid SJW, who wants to insert themself in the book. You can also get every chapter for free every time that chapter comes out on the mangaplus app, which shows you they are not afraid of sales going down.... So yea, comparing those two is pretty stupid, as manga blows american comics out of the water and its not just cause of boobs, but cause they actually have talented people that work their ass off for 15h a day... Oh and they also dont have to talk every day, for hours, on youtube, instead of working on a 40 page book, which a mangaka would make in a month.

Most of them weren't reading it before and now they keep up with it. Frog mentions fucking Akira, which is what most Western Pros used to talk about when someone brought it up.

I'm not dunking on him either. I appreciate his honesty in that he fucking doesn't get Manga and isn't a fan. It's better than fake geekgirl shit from pros whose work couldn't be less influenced by Japanese sequential artwork.

I think it's a bad analogy for Western comics, some of the reasons you mentioned. Japanese artists are beasts. They work overtime, their not spoiled with insane benefits, and most of them appreciate fans because there isn't something like the big American companies insulating them from the fanbase/market realities.

 

[A nameless trool]

My predicted talking points:

Comics have always been political
The Market is growing
Gender / race swaps have always been a thing
You say mean jokes
Yeah but Dust is lame and nobody likes her

YBZ should have accepted his challenge to a boxing match just for the lulz. He could make a whole series of videos of him talking about preparing, doing laps, sit-ups, having tacos full of anabolics etc.
That would have been great content.

Most of them weren't reading it before and now they keep up with it. Frog mentions fucking Akira, which is what most Western Pros used to talk about when someone brought it up.

I'm not dunking on him either. I appreciate his honesty in that he fucking doesn't get Manga and isn't a fan. It's better than fake geekgirl shit from pros whose work couldn't be less influenced by Japanese sequential artwork.

I think it's a bad analogy for Western comics, some of the reasons you mentioned. Japanese artists are beasts. They work overtime, their not spoiled with insane benefits, and most of them appreciate fans because there isn't something like the big American companies insulating them from the fanbase/market realities.

@FROG should do what every non-manga reader does and just go and read Berserk.
But he would probably cuck out at the first tentacle rape...

 

[FROG]

It's a comic book not a historical document - of course it's not literal - ventilate your basement Frog.

Why is Ethan Van Sciver responding in an passive-effeminate manner - too much practice with "soy/gay" voice?

Your panel is good example of the embedded contradictions in CG, but when did you get so thin skinned?
You've drawn a 16 year old in an over-sexualized manner, and then told your audience at the time not to see her in the hypersexual manner you chose to depict her in.

I mean to say that the boy in the graveyard is a manifestation of Heather's depression, not an actual person.

Heather is 16 because I wasn't too far from 16 when I drew her there, and you've gotta be kidding me about "over-sexualized." She's dressed like every girl I went to school with in the 80's-90's.

You continue to be a strange man, Methwin.

Most of them weren't reading it before and now they keep up with it. Frog mentions fucking Akira, which is what most Western Pros used to talk about when someone brought it up.

I'm not dunking on him either. I appreciate his honesty in that he fucking doesn't get Manga and isn't a fan. It's better than fake geekgirl shit from pros whose work couldn't be less influenced by Japanese sequential artwork.

I think it's a bad analogy for Western comics, some of the reasons you mentioned. Japanese artists are beasts. They work overtime, their not spoiled with insane benefits, and most of them appreciate fans because there isn't something like the big American companies insulating them from the fanbase/market realities.

I bought a handful of Hong Kong comics in Chinatown in NYC back in the late 90's. They weren't translated, and I don't know what they were. A lot of big dudes fighting. I copied a lot of that style when I took over IMPULSE. It was mostly about this speedline effect to create swirling clouds of energy around fists and feet. It looked great, I swiped it.

So it's not that I wasn't influenced by Asian comics, I was, very much so. But I was never a fan.

 

[EGB]

I mean to say that the boy in the graveyard is a manifestation of Heather's depression, not an actual person.

Heather is 16 because I wasn't too far from 16 when I drew her there, and you've gotta be kidding me about "over-sexualized." She's dressed like every girl I went to school with in the 80's-90's.

You continue to be a strange man.

Was this a Stripper School in a trailer park?

The anatomy is wonky, but it's not horrible. The odd thing is your self realization in the text that you are sexualizing a teenager rather than just making the character an adult.

The scenes are oddly voyeuristic but the less I know about your particular kinks the better.

 

[Mister Dongs]

You really trying to argue some sort of equivalency between a 19 year old being into teenagers and a middle aged doctor?

 

[VIkkiVerse]

Was this a Stripper School in a trailer park?

The anatomy is wonky, but it's not horrible. The odd thing is your self realization in the text that you are sexualizing a teenager rather than just making the character an adult.

The scenes are oddly voyeuristic but the less I know about your particular kinks the better.




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Jesus, Edwin. She looks no different than any ternage gril in the 90's.

 

[jspit2.0]

Was this a Stripper School in a trailer park?

The anatomy is wonky, but it's not horrible. The odd thing is your self realization in the text that you are sexualizing a teenager rather than just making the character an adult.

The scenes are oddly voyeuristic but the less I know about your particular kinks the better.




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Says the man who hosts pornographer Preston Poulter.

You're looking to hard too own @FROG Edwin. That's a teenage girl in the 90s and Cyberfrogs audience was 16 year old boys.

 

[Newman's Own]

Says the man who hosts pornographer Preston Poulter.

You're looking to hard too own @FROG Edwin. That's a teenage girl in the 90s and Cyberfrogs audience was 16 year old boys.

Those drawings are definitely sexualized but she looks older than 18 even if she's written as 16. This is more likely to tap into teenage boy's lust for older unattainable women than to old men's lust for jail bait high school girls.

Pervert artists play up the underage aspect when they're trying to cater to other perverts. A perv would have drawn Heather under developed and clothed her in outfits with a lolli fetish influence. (we all should have been on to Slick Jimmy the moment he showed up) You know, stuff that would appeal to Preston's creepiest friends.

I would find this mildly disturbing if Van Sciver was drawing sixteen year olds like this when he was a few years older but these are the drawings of an ordinary pudgy 19 or 20 year old with a well worn collection of Playboy mags next to the Kleenex box, not a lolli porn freak. The worst I would say is they're kinda tacky, especially in the mid-90s.

 

[TiredAndInked]

Those drawings are definitely sexualized but she looks older than 18 even if she's written as 16. This is more likely to tap into teenage boy's lust for older unattainable women than to old men's lust for jail bait high school girls.

Pervert artists play up the underage aspect when they're trying to cater to other perverts. A perv would have drawn Heather under developed and clothed her in outfits with a lolli fetish influence. (we all should have been on to Slick Jimmy the moment he showed up) You know, stuff that would appeal to Preston's creepiest friends.

I would find this mildly disturbing if Van Sciver was drawing sixteen year olds like this when he was a few years older but these are the drawings of an ordinary pudgy 19 or 20 year old with a well worn collection of Playboy mags next to the Kleenex box, not a lolli porn freak. The worst I would say is they're kinda tacky, especially in the mid-90s.

I just looked up Slick Jimmy.

Wow, he's not even trying to hide the loli.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

they're kinda tacky, especially in the mid-90s.

The 90s was that tacky in everything. Britney was 16 here.

 

[FROG]

Says the man who hosts pornographer Preston Poulter.

You're looking to hard too own @FROG Edwin. That's a teenage girl in the 90s and Cyberfrogs audience was 16 year old boys.

Well, the other thing was that suddenly I found myself working for HARRIS COMICS and hanging out in their literal bullpen with VAMPIRELLA and PANTHA artists like Buzz, Caesar Antomati and Mark Beachum. All they did all day long was draw women in various stages of undress, and I thought that's what I was supposed to be doing too!

It's so out of place and wrong for CYBERFROG. Just pure cringe. But I don't think it's inappropriate in the ways Methwin is hoping. It was just me trying to figure out my artistic voice in comics as a young man.

 

[jspit2.0]

Well, the other thing was that suddenly I found myself working for HARRIS COMICS and hanging out in their literal bullpen with VAMPIRELLA and PANTHA artists like Buzz, Caesar Antomati and Mark Beachum. All they did all day long was draw women in various stages of undress, and I thought that's what I was supposed to be doing too!

It's so out of place and wrong for CYBERFROG. Just pure cringe. But I don't think it's inappropriate in the ways Methwin is hoping. It was just me trying to figure out my artistic voice in comics as a young man.

Ah Harris. Joe Jusko, Mark Teixara. Truly some risqué stuff.

 

[EGB]

Well, the other thing was that suddenly I found myself working for HARRIS COMICS and hanging out in their literal bullpen with VAMPIRELLA and PANTHA artists like Buzz, Caesar Antomati and Mark Beachum. All they did all day long was draw women in various stages of undress, and I thought that's what I was supposed to be doing too!

It's so out of place and wrong for CYBERFROG. Just pure cringe. But I don't think it's inappropriate in the ways Methwin is hoping. It was just me trying to figure out my artistic voice in comics as a young man.

Take some of the frog money, and purchase some self-esteem, you reek of fragility and the need for validation.

I didn't expect this actually. Lim now has more backers than Davis's new book in just 30-hours.
@FROG Maybe if you spend another year obsessing over people and put a bit work into you can cut CG's backers by another 500 or so.

 

[A nameless trool]

Was this a Stripper School in a trailer park?

It was New Jersey.

 

[Newman's Own]

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The 90s was that tacky in everything. Britney was 16 here.

I was old enough to find that mildly disturbing too.

Take some of the frog money, and purchase some self-esteem, you reek of fragility and the need for validation.

I didn't expect this actually. Lim now has more backers than Davis's new book in just 30-hours.
@FROG Maybe if you spend another year obsessing over people and put a bit work into you can cut CG's backers by another 500 or so.

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Kamen is putting up genuinely impressive numbers.

There is no denying that Tim's approach has built him an ever growing loyal audience of readers.

Shane's got almost double the money from less than half the backers though. I used to think CG would get tired of being treated like paypigs but no one left seems to have an issue with throwing $100 at 48 pages.

I was wrong.

 

[FROG]

Take some of the frog money, and purchase some self-esteem, you reek of fragility and the need for validation.

I didn't expect this actually. Lim now has more backers than Davis's new book in just 30-hours.
@FROG Maybe if you spend another year obsessing over people and put a bit work into you can cut CG's backers by another 500 or so.

If this isn't 100% projection...

Is this what you're mad about?

 

[EGB]

If this isn't 100% projection...

Is this what you're mad about?

Ethan I'm not mad, you are low effort fun at this point.

 

[FROG]

Ethan I'm not mad, you are low effort fun at this point.

Was Nasser also "low effort fun" when you tried to get his IndieGoGo taken down for making fun of you? Demanding an answer from the Better Business Bureau about a college student calling you a "faggot?"

It's clear you're definitely not mad. This isn't something you're obsessed about at all.

 

[jspit2.0]

Take some of the frog money, and purchase some self-esteem, you reek of fragility and the need for validation.

I didn't expect this actually. Lim now has more backers than Davis's new book in just 30-hours.
@FROG Maybe if you spend another year obsessing over people and put a bit work into you can cut CG's backers by another 500 or so.

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That was poorly worded. Also, you don't spend backers you spend money.

Seethe more.

Ethan I'm not mad, you are low effort fun at this point.

Nah, you're waaayyyyy too invested.

 

[Rupin]

Not gonna lie, that Kamen America Omnibus is a steal for 25 dollars. I think I just might even back the Black Hops/Kamen America crossover as well.