#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[TiredAndInked]

Not gonna lie, that Kamen America Omnibus is a steal for 25 dollars. I think I just might even back the Black Hops/Kamen America crossover as well.

I've got a few of their books. Produced on time/early. Great art, fun story. I recommend it

 

[Captain Manning]

Six figures (again) by the weekend. Probably even tomorrow.

Believe it.

"Gay looking weeb comic" be like:

 

[Greed]

I bought a handful of Hong Kong comics in Chinatown in NYC back in the late 90's. They weren't translated, and I don't know what they were. A lot of big dudes fighting. I copied a lot of that style when I took over IMPULSE. It was mostly about this speedline effect to create swirling clouds of energy around fists and feet. It looked great, I swiped it.

This *really* sounds like it might have been Grappler Baki.

Ethan I'm not mad, you are low effort fun at this point.

Remember folks, Edwin only browses the farms when he's in line at the grocery store, or waiting on the porch at his dealers apartment, or stuff like that.
He's certainly not taking any of this seriously and any seemingly MATI behavior on his part is just you projecting your own insecurities onto Edwin, who clearly has none.

 

[Absurdity]

Hey I'm biased because I think Ethan is a trashy human being and all but we have to let the chips fall on their own. If history has taught us anything it's that CG, specifically Ethan, will eat their own. Edwin, the reality is that comics have almost always gone for flaunting the females like burlesque bombshells. The difference with comics is that there is a paper thin excuse of superheroics to don the leotards. Usually though they do manage to keep it tame for the under 18 girls like Jubilee or Shadowcat at one point, but because it was a YA coomer Ethan drawing it, 16 yo stripper-body Heather gets a pass. Let's just sit and bask in the glow that is Ethan's own Romeo & Juliet Law card-in-wallet moment!

The main problem with all of Ethan's Cyberfrog junk is that the characters are essentially uninteresting and flatter than the paper they're drawn on and infinitely less interesting than the in-house drama that now surrounds it.

 

[YesNoMaybe]

When I hear Frog talk about his IP, well, who is Heather... "Cyberfrog's human friend." WTF ? Is that the most interesting thing that can be said about her?

 

[Captain Manning]

Edwin, the reality is that comics have almost always gone for flaunting the females like burlesque bombshells. The difference with comics is that there is a paper thin excuse of superheroics to don the leotards. Usually though they do manage to keep it tame for the under 18 girls like Jubilee or Shadowcat at one point, but because it was a YA coomer Ethan drawing it, 16 yo stripper-body Heather gets a pass. Let's just sit and bask in the glow that is Ethan's own Romeo & Juliet Law card-in-wallet moment!

Honestly, here's how I see it:

Heather is drawn in a realistic(ish) style, and looks like she could be legal going by the art alone. I find it highly doubtful that Ethan is dog whistling to pedos here. I think she would have been drawn very differently if he were.

Meanwhile, Ethan's opinion of the characters in KA demonstrates ignorance of the anime/manga aesthetic. No, they don't look like they're underage.

We're here because Edwin doesn't like Ethan (and vice versa), and Ethan doesn't like Tim. Commence the stupidity.

One of these days, God willing, people will realize that making poorly supported insinuations of pedophilia, however oblique, is really fucking tasteless. It's a truly horrible accusation, and I think you better be damn sure before bringing that particular argument to the playground.

Just ask @TESTEFY-HD , who is a lot more lonely now because of such bullshit.

 

[Absurdity]

Honestly, here's how I see it:

Heather is drawn in a realistic(ish) style, and looks like she could be legal going by the art alone. I find it highly doubtful that Ethan is dog whistling to pedos here. I think she would have been drawn very differently if he were.

Meanwhile, Ethan's opinion of the characters in KA demonstrates ignorance of the anime/manga aesthetic. No, they don't look like they're underage.

We're here because Edwin doesn't like Ethan (and vice versa), and Ethan doesn't like Tim. Commence the stupidity.

One of these days, God willing, people will realize that making unsupported insinuations of pedophilia, however oblique, is really fucking tasteless. It's a truly horrible accusation, and I think you better be damn sure before bringing that particular argument to the playground.

Just ask @TESTEFY-HD , who is a lot more lonely now because of such bullshit.

It's little more nuanced than straight up pedo junk like Edwin's new friend Preston has been working so hard to defend, especially since it hasn't been a staple of Ethan's work since. Ethan was old enough to know back then, though. He was an actual adult at the time. I find it difficult to believe that the main eye candy of the book absolutely had to be underage. He could have said, "yeah it's a bad look, I should have just said she was older" but he throws it on his relative age and the age of his readers. Well, we're all grown up now and if you have his unfrogettable collection, you are a proud owner of sexualized girlie art. Don't worry, it was just Ethan's business acumen the whole time. Barely covered nips through the ripped shirts all day because we must obey the market and market is young teens lusting after young teens! I'm sure it's alright to keep old milk in the carton as long as you don't open it. If not for the fact that Cyberfrog lives the vol-cel cuck lifestyle (his true appeal?), things could have been much worse... but then he knew about all of this anyway thus the real need to insert a time jump of 20-odd years.

No one thing is unforgiveable in and of itself, but the trend is that Ethan reveals more when he aggressively tries to janny his own revisionist history. That's why I keep coming back.

 

[FROG]

I'm taking a beating on KF this week! Wew!

When I hear Frog talk about his IP, well, who is Heather... "Cyberfrog's human friend." WTF ? Is that the most interesting thing that can be said about her?

No, it's an answer to a simple question.

If the follow up question is "can you tell me more about her?" I'd be happy to do that, or invite you to read the comics.

Honestly, here's how I see it:

Heather is drawn in a realistic(ish) style, and looks like she could be legal going by the art alone. I find it highly doubtful that Ethan is dog whistling to pedos here. I think she would have been drawn very differently if he were.

Meanwhile, Ethan's opinion of the characters in KA demonstrates ignorance of the anime/manga aesthetic. No, they don't look like they're underage.

We're here because Edwin doesn't like Ethan (and vice versa), and Ethan doesn't like Tim. Commence the stupidity.

Heather was 16 because she needed to be trapped at home with her abusive stepfather. So the character needed to be old enough to run away and go on adventures with CyberFrog, but young enough to still be living at home with her parents. That was the initial idea, and the hope was that 16 was the age of the reader this might click with.

Manga females have underage looking faces and fully developed bodies. That's my opinion, but you can disagree, Captain Manning. I don't think it has anything to do with pedophilia at all, I've just always found it odd.

I don't dislike Edwin. I kinda feel sorry for him, but at the same time, he's a comical figure. Or at least he was. Now I'm worried for him.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

Honestly, here's how I see it:

Heather is drawn in a realistic(ish) style, and looks like she could be legal going by the art alone. I find it highly doubtful that Ethan is dog whistling to pedos here. I think she would have been drawn very differently if he were.

Meanwhile, Ethan's opinion of the characters in KA demonstrates ignorance of the anime/manga aesthetic. No, they don't look like they're underage.

We're here because Edwin doesn't like Ethan (and vice versa), and Ethan doesn't like Tim. Commence the stupidity.

One of these days, God willing, people will realize that making poorly supported insinuations of pedophilia, however oblique, is really fucking tasteless. It's a truly horrible accusation, and I think you better be damn sure before bringing that particular argument to the playground.

Just ask @TESTEFY-HD , who is a lot more lonely now because of such bullshit.

Again, I forgive you and VICTORIA.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Take some of the frog money, and purchase some self-esteem, you reek of fragility and the need for validation.

I didn't expect this actually. Lim now has more backers than Davis's new book in just 30-hours.
@FROG Maybe if you spend another year obsessing over people and put a bit work into you can cut CG's backers by another 500 or so.

Why is it a competition? A rising tide lifts all boats. I'm happy for Shane and Yanzi and happy for Tim and Mark. It's a great thing that both teams are able to make the comics they want and it's a great thing that people are loving the books they're getting.

 

[Mister Dongs]

As I pointed out yesterday, Eric Weathers and Joe Fulton are now working on an Iconic Comics book, Eric Canete's Arc Athena, which is now being gladly launched on Michael Bancroft's evil, heinous Comicsgate youtube channel. For Lim's part, any disdain he had (if any) about associating with mainstream pros that want to migrate into the indie crowdfunding boom looks to be done away with now that he's a publisher/distributor himself. The only party that doesn't appear to have moved on from the Lim cause are the participants in this thread. Who knows, maybe Tim Lim will publish Mike S Miller one day?

 

[Rupin]

I don’t get why everyone is making a big deal about sixteen year old Heather when Ethan was a kid when he first drew her in Cyberfrog. He was copying Larson and McFarlane while trying to appeal to the teenaged boy demographic. Heather’s body type was pretty much par for the course back in the 90’s and the closest thing she had to being in any sexual situation was her having to marry Ben Reilly in hell.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Sorry, Liam. YouTube says e-Fapping is fair use. You lose again with your channel striking bullshit.

 

[Strix454]

Sorry, Liam. YouTube says e-Fapping is fair use. You lose again with your channel striking bullshit.

Based on his history, he could come back at you next with a bullying or harrasment accusation via youtube. That is how he got SWC's channel after the copyright strikes failed. Even though you won on copyright, I wouldn't put the video back up on youtube.

 

[Newman's Own]

Ethan was old enough to know back then, though. He was an actual adult at the time. I find it difficult to believe that the main eye candy of the book absolutely had to be underage.

Yeah. he could have made her a barely legal TV reporter and named her for August or some other month.

That's my opinion, but you can disagree, Captain Manning. I don't think it has anything to do with pedophilia at all,

And yet you decided to insinuate that about Tim Lim for his manga influenced art.

Because you're such a classy guy.

I don't dislike Edwin. I kinda feel sorry for him

No you don't. If you had any sympathy for him your behavior toward him would have been completely different. You're naked hatred of "Methwin" is apparent from everything you've said about him since he told you (correctly) that WarCampaign was cancer.

Edwin's setbacks have been amusing to many people but not to anyone who gives a shit about him. You gloried in them.

Save the faux compassion for your YouTube audience.

Again, I forgive you and VICTORIA.

We get it. You "forgive" everyone you obviously hate and are spasdicly lashing out against.

Are you stuck in dome kind of retard sperg loop where any time someone posts something here about what a tool you are you get an irresistible urge to post the same nonsensical response?

You're making @ryu289 look like a well adjusted neurotypical adult by comparison.

For Lim's part, any disdain he had (if any) about associating with mainstream pros that want to migrate into the indie crowdfunding boom looks to be done away with now that he's a publisher/distributor himself.

What makes you think Lim ever had disdain about associating with the mainstream? I thought it was the other way around?

I've been thinking about this 'Tim runs Iconic Comics' thing and something doesn't add up. Tim's got a full time career as an eye doctor and on the side he pumps out hundreds of pages of comic art every year and attends multiple conventions to promote his properties. He's also never publicly claimed to own or run Iconic that I know of which is strange because if he does there really isn't any good reason not to. How does a guy with two full time gigs (and a family?) start a publishing house?

We all kind of assumed (understandably) Tim and maybe Ernst and Pellegrini own Iconic because of their association with the upstart brand but it's just as plausible someone else started Iconic and Tim, Mark and Doug were simply the first creators to join.

Is there something that I missed that shows Tim is Iconic Comics? Genuine question?

I don’t get why everyone is making a big deal about sixteen year old Heather when Ethan was a kid when he first drew her in Cyberfrog. He was copying Larson and McFarlane while trying to appeal to the teenaged boy demographic. Heather’s body type was pretty much par for the course back in the 90’s and the closest thing she had to being in any sexual situation was her having to marry Ben Reilly in hell.

Mary-Jane certainly was sexualized by McFarlane and then Larson as most female (and male if you think about it) characters were in those days but her age is relevant.

Marvel and DC sexualized adult characters but were careful not to sexualize (at least not blatantly) minors. I'm sure this was an editorial directive and perhaps a comics code requirement at the time but it was also a matter of good taste.

Sexualizing a sixteen year old girl in media is creepy but is less so in Ethan's case as he was barely legal himself and didn't know any better. Harris Comics probably would have been wise to ask Ethan to tone down the underwear and nipples or make her 18+.

At the same time, who gives a shit? It was over 25 years ago and much grosser shit has been done in comics before and since that no one cares about.

Sorry, Liam. YouTube says e-Fapping is fair use. You lose again with your channel striking bullshit.

Wasn't this a private Patreon stream or something? If Liam had any brains he would have appealed to YT on grounds of privacy instead of copyright but Liam's brains are clearly occupied by his 'rock-star mainstream ghost writer to the stars jet setting lifestyle'.

Liam may be the most interesting man alive....

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Wasn't this a private Patreon stream or something? If Liam had any brains he would have appealed to YT on grounds of privacy instead of copyright but Liam's brains are clearly occupied by his 'rock-star mainstream ghost writer to the stars jet setting lifestyle'.

Liam may be the most interesting man alive....

It was just an unlisted youtube video anyone can access. So it's just something on their platform, which is, by them, fair use to give commentary on.

Based on his history, he could come back at you next with a bullying or harrasment accusation via youtube. That is how he got SWC's channel after the copyright strikes failed. Even though you won on copyright, I wouldn't put the video back up on youtube.

He already tried that. I have the full complaint and I will efap it later on my stream today. Don't miss it!

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Wow. Did not see Zach going down this road. Iconic Comics is the "Gold Standard" for fulfillment.
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Spoiler: side observation

As an aside I sincerely hope he did not fund this or plan to fund this through a "margin loan" (as claimed), but was just babbling something he read courtesy of his Wall Street Journal subscription. A declining portfolio could find him with his nuts in a vise, though I guess the interest rate is lower than an unsecured loan. The other issue is if the interest he'd be charged is an investment or a business expense. (This potentially matters a LOT for tax treatment.)

 

[jspit2.0]

Wow. Did not see Zach going down this road. Iconic Comics is the "Gold Standard" for fulfillment.
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Spoiler: side observation

As an aside I sincerely hope he did not fund this or plan to fund this through a "margin loan" (as claimed), but was just babbling something he read courtesy of his Wall Street Journal subscription. A declining portfolio could find him with his nuts in a vise, though I guess the interest rate is lower than an unsecured loan. The other issue is if the interest he'd be charged is an investment or a business expense. (This potentially matters a LOT for tax treatment.)

This is very needed for major CG creators.

The justification for Blood Honey et al being late is that making a comic is expensive and time consuming process. If you don't have capital, you offset it by crowdfunding the risk with backers. In other words; the project won't exist unless backers pay for it.

For a small creator, with an unproven property that's understandable. But Jon Malin? Van Sciver? There's no reason they shouldn't have this stuff done or need the risk of a comic to be offset to begin with. If they insist on that, then they should still have the pencils, story, and so on done by the beginning of the campaign. These Gator campaigns last forever, months and months. That should be plenty of time to letter, color, and ship a comic if most of the leg work is done.

I don't know why he needs a business loan. He should have enough profits rolling from his campaigns to fund the next project, but I suppose his big problem is he has to pay artists. Always a nightmare.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Wow. Did not see Zach going down this road. Iconic Comics is the "Gold Standard" for fulfillment.
Twitter / Archive
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Spoiler: side observation

As an aside I sincerely hope he did not fund this or plan to fund this through a "margin loan" (as claimed), but was just babbling something he read courtesy of his Wall Street Journal subscription. A declining portfolio could find him with his nuts in a vise, though I guess the interest rate is lower than an unsecured loan. The other issue is if the interest he'd be charged is an investment or a business expense. (This potentially matters a LOT for tax treatment.)

I've been having my books finished prior to crowdfunding since 2018. As usual, JDA does it first, then people like Doug Ernst take credit. Though I will add this has nothing to do with Tim and Mark who have been doing great work since day one. Doug jumping on this bandwagon and taking credit is just his MO.

And then of course they/them blocks me when I've never interacted with they/them. Fake Right-wingers like Douglas Shapiro are so predictably triggered.

 

[EGB]

I'm taking a beating on KF this week! Wew!


No, it's an answer to a simple question.

If the follow up question is "can you tell me more about her?" I'd be happy to do that, or invite you to read the comics.



Heather was 16 because she needed to be trapped at home with her abusive stepfather. So the character needed to be old enough to run away and go on adventures with CyberFrog, but young enough to still be living at home with her parents. That was the initial idea, and the hope was that 16 was the age of the reader this might click with.

Manga females have underage looking faces and fully developed bodies. That's my opinion, but you can disagree, Captain Manning. I don't think it has anything to do with pedophilia at all, I've just always found it odd.

I don't dislike Edwin. I kinda feel sorry for him, but at the same time, he's a comical figure. Or at least he was. Now I'm worried for him.

For taking 3 minutes to tweak your nose with your own dumb rhetoric?
You have practiced "soy" voice one too many times it appears it's no longer an act!

The "evil gets defeated" a bit more everyday - and it didn't even require sitting in the neverending livestream looking like interchangeable bobbleheads.

We wuz Comicsgate Kangz.