#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[RockVolnutt]

So I heard marvel is killing off Jane Foster and giving the hammer back to Odinson?

Crap sales on Thor or just the end of her storyline?

End of her storyline I think. She's dead as of today.

 

[Peace and Harmony]

End of her storyline I think. She's dead as of today.

GOOD.

 

[damian]

Buzzfeed made a Comicsgate hit piece. Removed all context and is incredibly one sided, y'know like always. Skims through some Comicsgate "harassment" stuff and talks a about EVS a lot, calling him the usual buzzwords.
If you want the actual story for the whole EVS harassment thing check this article by Nick Moroe.

Spoiler: Sreengrab of the Hit Piece:

Should I edit in more videos on this hit-piece or just add them separate as they come out?

 

[José Mourinho]

Buzzfeed made a Comicsgate hit piece. Removed all context and is incredibly one sided, y'know like always. Skims through some Comicsgate "harassment" stuff and talks a about EVS a lot, calling him the usual buzzwords.

For an article about attacking #Comicsgate this is incredibly lazy. I did read some articles trying to attack #Comicsgate as well but the thing is, they at least make an attempt to explain #ComicsGate 's main points such as "diversity hurts sales" and "political issues in comics shouldn't be allowed", as well as making the usual points of why #ComicsGate 's opinions are wrong.

This one is just mostly screeching about a comic book veteran artist, and very hard for me to take this seriously.

 

[Done]

For an article about attacking #Comicsgate this is incredibly lazy. I did read some articles trying to attack #Comicsgate as well but the thing is, they at least make an attempt to explain #ComicsGate 's main points such as "diversity hurts sales" and "political issues in comics shouldn't be allowed", as well as making the usual points of why #ComicsGate 's opinions are wrong.

This one is just mostly screeching about a comic book veteran artist, and very hard for me to take this seriously.

Whenever I think about the anti-CG movement, what really strikes me is their huge incompetence, in the same amount of time, their gaming counterpart managed to firmly plant a hard-to-disprove smear on their opposing autists, but here, it's just unfocused screeching against an industry great (which is what EVS is by this point). You also got people planning ops against D&C on their public Facebook pages for god's sake, even the most autistic op we've seen had the sense to at least start off in private.

It also helps that Pro-CG have been mostly steering away from autism and consistently tying known sales numbers into their narrative, with the latest plan being #MoveTheNeedle.

EDIT, Alan, if you want a good place to start from, then check this article, it's been easily the most balanced article I've seen so far:
https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/op-ed-divorce-comicsgate

 

[damian]

 

[TowinKarz]

And so it goes, with the Skeptics saying that the industry is dying because of the creators and the creators blaming the fans for not wanting what they create.

From the linked article, this right here, is the problem. Creators aren't making what fans want, and when informed they aren't, can only respond with Hillary-esque SJW-fueled "Well, they aren't the fans we WANT anyway! The deplorables!" personal moral outrage.

Okay, outrage is your right, it's a free society. But, there aren't ENOUGH of them right now for you to do without. You can ignore market segments to a point if you find them distasteful, like picking out parts of a meal you don't' like. But, at some point, if you cut out enough, you find yourself trying to go through your day on 3 rice grains and a glass of water, there is a minimal level needed to survive, and you cannot fill it with SJW-approved "good vibes".

You wanna be President? You gotta win a few of those red states as much as you don't like it.

You wanna succeed in comics? You gotta write what gets at least a certain number of books sold, and a lot of fans, for better or worse, won't buy political/social rambling dressed up in a cape as a good comic. And if it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell, you cannot brow-beat people into buying for you with white-cis-guilt any more than Hillary could bribe people to vote for her because wouldn't it be great to have a woman President for once?

Both were and are ignorant to the bitter end that you need to appeal to your market to be successful, you can't warp that market into an idealized version where all your customers are good little mini-versions of you. And neither side is learning this lesson. In fact, they come from an ideology where it's better to lose while thinking "right" things than be successful in the "Wrong" ways.... and even then they don't seem to get it, given how their reaction to losing is to try and force their way to the winner's podium anyway while yelling how badly they were cheated by the great unwashed masses who don't know superiority when they see it.

 

[damian]

More bitching about Mags. At 9:35 he starts roasting that 'It's Pat' lookalike from the Chelsea Cain tweet I covered previously.

Careful Ladies, we have gentlemen present:

LMAO, Leave it to BuzzFeed to have their Correction section be wrong as well. Aubrey Sitterson wrote both those disasters (Re-Archived for the Correction bit):

 

[RockVolnutt]

LMAO, Leave it to BuzzFeed to have their Correction section be wrong as well. Aubrey Sitterson wrote both those disasters (Re-Archived for the Correction bit):

I assume they just heard "harassing women, LGBTQ+, and PoCs!" from some idiot and jumped in without context as a chance to look "woke".

 

[One Man Bland]

End of her storyline I think. She's dead as of today.

Is anyone honestly, legitimately surprised by this? This has been so heavily foreshadowed ever since they revealed it was Jane that you'd have to be either blind or not paying attention/not buying the comic... which probably means we showed be seeing some SJW reeeeeing in the near future.

Though when you think about it, this story as a marketing ploy was kinda brilliant in a scummy Marvel publicity stunt sort of way: Get an influx of orders for the first issue because everyone wants to see this "Woman Thor" plot everyone's talking about, drag the identity reveal out for about 6-8 issues so that same influx sticks around for the reveal and justify the continuation of the change, give her a built-in expiration date in the form of cancer so you can switch her out whenever, and then ride out the inevitable sales decline for as long as possible until you reach a convenient advertising point to kill her off in a heroic fashion and bring back the regular Thor for one last publicity stunt to draw in sales with.

And wouldn't you know it, March is the same month that the official DVD release came out for Thor: Ragnarok. Imagine that.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Is anyone honestly, legitimately surprised by this? This has been so heavily foreshadowed ever since they revealed it was Jane that you'd have to be either blind or not paying attention/not buying the comic... which probably means we showed be seeing some SJW reeeeeing in the near future.

Though when you think about it, this story as a marketing ploy was kinda brilliant in a scummy Marvel publicity stunt sort of way: Get an influx of orders for the first issue because everyone wants to see this "Woman Thor" plot everyone's talking about, drag the identity reveal out for about 6-8 issues so that same influx sticks around for the reveal and justify the continuation of the change, give her a built-in expiration date in the form of cancer so you can switch her out whenever, and then ride out the inevitable sales decline for as long as possible until you reach a convenient advertising point to kill her off in a heroic fashion and bring back the regular Thor for one last publicity stunt to draw in sales with.

And wouldn't you know it, March is the same month that the official DVD release came out for Thor: Ragnarok. Imagine that.

"Do a shocking plot point so people buy a bunch of the initial issues and just go back to normal when it stops selling"?

You've just described 50 years of the comic industry, nignog.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Is anyone honestly, legitimately surprised by this? This has been so heavily foreshadowed ever since they revealed it was Jane that you'd have to be either blind or not paying attention/not buying the comic... which probably means we showed be seeing some SJW reeeeeing in the near future.

Though when you think about it, this story as a marketing ploy was kinda brilliant in a scummy Marvel publicity stunt sort of way: Get an influx of orders for the first issue because everyone wants to see this "Woman Thor" plot everyone's talking about, drag the identity reveal out for about 6-8 issues so that same influx sticks around for the reveal and justify the continuation of the change, give her a built-in expiration date in the form of cancer so you can switch her out whenever, and then ride out the inevitable sales decline for as long as possible until you reach a convenient advertising point to kill her off in a heroic fashion and bring back the regular Thor for one last publicity stunt to draw in sales with.

And wouldn't you know it, March is the same month that the official DVD release came out for Thor: Ragnarok. Imagine that.

Ironically, Jane was easily the best selling of the diversity replacement characters as far as I know. Outside of some weird issue to issue fluctuations I've heard about. Had they never associated it with feminism and it ended in 2015/2016 then I believe you'd have something that'd be better received as a tragic story about the mostly ignored original love interest for Thor.

 

[gobbogobb]

"Do a shocking plot point so people buy a bunch of the initial issues and just go back to normal when it stops selling"?

You've just described 50 years of the comic industry, nignog.

Apparently Logan is coming back too. X-23 is back to her old self. Maybe Marvel is waking up?

 

[RockVolnutt]

Apparently Logan is coming back too. X-23 is back to her old self. Maybe Marvel is waking up?

Logan has already been back....just not as Wolverine. He's fumbling around with the space gem in the build up to some dumb cash-in event for the Infinity War movie.

 

[Princess Rescuer]

To video game fans (such as myself) Comicsgate might not sound like as big of a deal- but let's not forget, "funny books" have produced some of the most ridiculously successful movies in recent memory and characters that even non-readers know every essential detail about through osmosis. Anti-Comicsgate comics pros are pathetic- they have every single advantage in the world (booming economy, things based on comics properties that aren't the comics at the height of their popularity, the internet allowing new avenues for attention and advertisement opportunities, new tools that allow comics to be made easier, faster, and cheaper than ever, little competition aside from manga), and their sales can't even put them in the black. You know there's a problem when critics of comics (such as Richard!) get more attention than employees at the biggest comics company in U.S. history for each and every product they put on store shelves. Also, just like GamerGate, the anti side is mostly white and the pro side has a higher percentage of ethnic and sexual minorities than the region does.

 

[E. Knee as Weapon - Cont.]

And so it goes, with the Skeptics saying that the industry is dying because of the creators and the creators blaming the fans for not wanting what they create.

From the linked article, this right here, is the problem. Creators aren't making what fans want, and when informed they aren't, can only respond with Hillary-esque SJW-fueled "Well, they aren't the fans we WANT anyway! The deplorables!" personal moral outrage.

I also hate the SJW shit in comics but the bigger problem, for me, is that it costs like $4.00 - $5.00 for something I finish reading in five minutes, and I know that if I wait a few months I can get a TPB at like a third of the cost and will be able to spend a good chunk of time enjoying it. And I'll be able to put it on my bookshelf to boot instead of having longboxes everywhere. It's not a major hobby for me so there isn't much incentive to buy the singles on their release dates.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I also hate the SJW shit in comics but the bigger problem, for me, is that it costs like $4.00 - $5.00 for something I finish reading in five minutes, and I know that if I wait a few months I can get a TPB at like a third of the cost and will be able to spend a good chunk of time enjoying it. And I'll be able to put it on my bookshelf to boot instead of having longboxes everywhere. It's not a major hobby for me so there isn't much incentive to buy the singles on their release dates.

For $5 there's always a bunch of silly little pixel art games on steam you can buy, and instead of 5 minutes you can get 5 hours of entertainment out of them. Or 10, or 20, or more.

Of course some of those games will be sucky trash. But when the alternative is a comic about a portly girl with a squirrel tail sitting in a trendy coffee shop complaining she got misgendered on campus, I know what the better bet is.

 

[nosemouth]

I might have missed some things but with Waid's twitter gone, we can only wait until he comes back.

I can't believe Mark Waid, one of the most high-profile comic book writers ever wastes his time on this shit.

If this is true, it seems Hasbro has had enough of IDW fucking with their brands in the name of Social Justice.

I know it's only speculation but the point about Ryall throwing away his entire professional life because he's in love with Aubrey Sitterson is hilarious.

 

[damian]

I don't normally cover these little back and forth but this one is very short and shows how the Anti-side always refuses any form of dialogue.

First, the players in this slapfight are:
Douglas Ernst - Some reporter for Washington Times, who is part of Comicsgate (seems he keeps his work life separate from the comicsgate stuff). His twitter stuff is the news reports, comicsgate stuff and the occasional (cringey) dad humor.
Gerry Conway - Co-creator of The Punisher, Firestorm, Power Girl, Vixen, and Ms. Marvel, who proudly wears the title "Passionate libtard." on his Bio. His twitter stuff is the usual FUCK DONALD DRUMF TRUMP TRUMP stuff.

I dont understand why replacing all the main name heroes with coattail riding diversity versions within 2 years would make people mad? - Tweet (Archive)

Debate me Faggot! - Tweet (Archive)

I guess we wont be seeing that debate anytime soon. - Tweet (Archive)

And this is what started it, the Buzzfeed article (I expect more events like this soon).
Tweet (Archive)

No one says that. Tweet (Archive)

Remember when the X-Men could be used to refer to ALL posible persecuted groups? Turns out that was dumb.
Tweet (Archive)

Nobody hates bad stories, they just hate the gays/wamyns/brown people. - Tweet (Archive)

"Eat that, YOU LITERAL NAZIS" - Tweet (Archive)

"No such thing as Alt-Left" - Tweet (Archive)

I think its too late for that tbh, Comicsgate has already cemented itself. - Tweet (Archive)

Big, if it wasn't obvious:

 

[MMX]

Apparently Logan is coming back too. X-23 is back to her old self. Maybe Marvel is waking up?

New wolverine was actually a pretty decent book but marvel didn't really let Laura be wolverine at all since they had old man logan fill in the regular shaped hole in all the x-books.