@FROG so you think Joker being raped is a masterpiece? ETHAN tell us who the stud is, no straight man can sit through that and CLAP like a SEAL.
Man, I did not have Richard C Meyer breathing a new theme and direction into stale Ethan on my predictions list. Ethan has rallied behind Zack's bold cultural offensive like it's 2018 again. With Ethan's much better instincts for provoking people, they could really be on to something here.
It's a shame this entire contrarian escapade is anchored to Zack's fixative thesis that we're in a pop culture golden age, and things everyone hates are good; indeed things Zack himself hates are good, as long as they're not in comics. And the circle of zeroes letting Zack down has expanded, from "merely" Zack's own customers to progressive movie critics. Not going to attract much of a following with that one!
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I think it's safe to say it's an "artistic failure."
I know Zack has already resolved the cognitive dissonance created by his dictums about sales by blaming the birthday party clowns. But how is he coping with the fact that Joker (and the Crow, and Borderlands., and...) is broadly hated even by progressive movie critics? What's the mark of quality supposed to be if it's not sales and it's not critical appreciation, not even by cool smart critics who live in New York and can get Ukrainian pierogi with their gay friends?
"Stop listening to retards that don't understand art." "I acknowledge that it's a creative success that was unpleasant viewing. It's ART."
Like I said, before, midwits think that if a movie is depressing and nihilistic full of misery and suffering, it must be art. (Rekieta is convinced that American Beauty is art when it's just trash.)
I can entertain, for argument's sake, that depression and grimness and weariness and moping are signs of a work's superiority, and how it's about, like, life, man, and humanity, and things that matter, and people with bad taste wouldn't get it.
But for who? When? We can't define good or bad art, but we can insist that
someone of taste or consequence or eloquence has to appreciate a thing for it to be good. Someone has to use their words to be able to describe what's good about it, and persuade other people. Who likes Joker 2? A bunch of people who are happy that the Hollywood man owned the chuds. A few of the "I hate my job so much, I was so relieved this was something crazy" type reviews. And two middle aged men who aren't in comics and don't make comics but somehow regularly report six figures of related income.
