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[Tears In Rain]

Wow retards like @FROG and Zach can be soo enamored and distracted by good cinematography, like children with shiny keys, not to see what a spiteful film Joker 2 is. Like a gold wrapped bag of trash, sure it looks clean/pretty, someone spent a lot of money on it, but it's still trash at it's core. One can understand what Todd Philips is trying to say, sure, but it also can be garbage and disagree.
Joker 2 has 0 merit, and if it were actually a good film and everyone was praising it, you'd probably call it comic movie slop just to satisfy your oppositional defiance disorder.

 

[huckbeine]

I presume he was talking about Zack DMing the Drinker rather than have public call out.

but how will Zack show to his sycophants that he is more moral, more intelligent, more artistic, and can understand art and film and comics better than the zeroes if he just DMed Drinker and the FNT crew?

 

[Stupor Mario]

I can entertain, for argument's sake, that depression and grimness and weariness and moping are signs of a work's superiority, and how it's about, like, life, man, and humanity, and things that matter, and people with bad taste wouldn't get it.

A person could compare Joker with Joker 2. The first movie is grim and full of suffering, but there is a point to it. Arthur goes on a journey, is affected by what happens to him, and ultimately decides how he's going to deal with it in response. The resolution is complicated, interesting, and thought-provoking. Because of all of this, and the way the character is developed, I think you could call Joker legitimately artistic.

Joker 2 is a nihilistic film where the protagonist is a loser that sucks, achieves nothing, and dies. It's misery porn. I guess if a person enjoys wallowing in misery, it has some kind of point. Is it art? Perhaps in some sense in how the shots are composed and the scenes are structured. Or in some abstract sense where you build a monument to hopelessness? Is it art in some kind of satisfying and worthwhile sense? Doubtful.

But for who? When? We can't define good or bad art, but we can insist that someone of taste or consequence or eloquence has to appreciate a thing for it to be good. Someone has to use their words to be able to describe what's good about it, and persuade other people. Who likes Joker 2? A bunch of people who are happy that the Hollywood man owned the chuds. A few of the "I hate my job so much, I was so relieved this was something crazy" type reviews. And two middle aged men who aren't in comics and don't make comics but somehow regularly report six figures of related income.

Yeah, this is the point. EVS has his many personas. First he was DC comics guy. Then he put on a red hat and became based MAGA man and "humble hot dog merchant" who hated the SJWs and woke entertainment. Then he got bored with this facade and turned into the anti-anti-SJW Trashcaster. And more recently, he's decided to become the artiste intellectual.

It's laughable that EVS thinks we've all forgotten that not too long ago, he was pretending to be a dumbass average Joe fan who liked normal entertainment, and now he's trying to talk down to everyone as he sits on high on his throne of elite pretention and lectures the common swine as to what True Art is. We're all supposed to take it on good faith that he is this authority on art instead of a morbidly obese, con-artist, degenerate gambler glutton.

But I would love to have EVS and Zack explain exactly in detail how Joker 2 is great art. Prove to everyone that you guys understand art better than the overwhelming number of people who have seen and rejected Joker 2 as a waste of their time.

 

[Soi Woh Jak]

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Can he just talk to drinker directly? He wrote a book for him so why is he screencapping on Twitter and posting it on YouTube?

Afghanistan got to him, its taken 20 years but we're finally here. Hes really going off the deep end, hes leaned too much into the "anti outrage industry" angle cause in his mind he thinks he helped cultivate it. I think everybodys becoming like that since the tide is turning against woke shit, the problem is even if outrage salesman are grifters, the core of what they complain about isnt wrong so attacking them at their core is stupid. This is not just for entertainment but for politics as well, lot of le epic centrists are attacking right wingers now for the same reason, not because theyre fundamentally wrong which theyre not but theyre just snake oil salesman.

 

[Olórin of Hype]

But I would love to have EVS and Zack explain exactly in detail how Joker 2 is great art. Prove to everyone that you guys understand art better than the overwhelming number of people who have seen and rejected Joker 2 as a waste of their time.

They can't, because neither of them speak cinemaphile.
If you asked them anything beyond the obvious, they're going to give you a bullshit answer.
They won't tell you that WB used the ARRI ALEXA 65 in both filmings of the movie to preserve the visuals between the two.
They can't tell you that Joker 2 and the Furiosa movie were both shot with that same camera, despite the unit being kind of dated.
Why? Because it's a digital camera that can produe 6.5k footage that's slightly larger than the maximum frame size of IMAX. The second reason is that it has a superior color sensor that keeps colors from bleeding into each other.
Altered Carbon was the first use of it that I had ever seen. That camera is ancient by digital camera standards. Nothing flashy with the depth of field, or lens compatibility.

But that's the technical shit that Zack and Ethan don't busy themselves with.

The only thing that makes it art to them, (excusing the Fellowship's opinions) is that it evokes a reaction in people. Good or bad.

That's not art.
That's a banana taped to a wall. That's a car accident. That's an entire fireworks show going off all at once 50 yards from your house.

Cinematic ART isn't making you feel things, it's not even looking pretty.
Space Odyssey, as Ethan brought up, is Cinematic art because the emphasis is on the audience's interpretation of the events unfolding on screen. There's no narrator, there's no exposition dump character. It's just the unsettling quiet of a man speechlessly hurtling through the fabric of reality.

Have your popcorn movies, have your cinematic theme park rides. There's nothing wrong with Burger King sponsored shoot 'em ups.

But don't confuse something that pisses people off, with something that evokes a conversation deeper than the film itself.

Joker 2 evokes the conversation of: Boy I sure don't like shower rape.

Nothing else about this movie will survive. That is not art.
That is a meme.

That's for free Meyer.
You're welcome.

 

[Mr Processor]

Space Odyssey, as Ethan brought up, is Cinematic art because the emphasis is on the audience's interpretation of the events unfolding on screen.

One of my favorite things about 2001: A Space Odyssey is that you have a character who can get angry, really angry, murderously angry but because of the way he was built he cannot express this anger vocally. He must use the same calm, soothing voice no matter what emotions he is feeling. That character ended up having a huge impact on how "evil" AI would forever be portrayed in American cinema from then on (even though most of the subsequent portrayals miss small details of Kubrick's version).

Is that the equal of Arthur Fleck being gang raped though? Who can say?

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

One of my favorite things about 2001: A Space Odyssey is that you have a character who can get angry, really angry, murderously angry but because of the way he was built he cannot express this anger vocally. He must use the same calm, soothing voice no matter what emotions he is feeling. That character ended up having a huge impact on how "evil" AI would forever be portrayed in American cinema from then on (even though most of the subsequent portrayals miss small details of Kubrick's version).

Is that the equal of Arthur Fleck being gang raped though? Who can say?

 

[A Very Big Fish]

Joker 2 evokes the conversation of: Boy I sure don't like shower rape.

O brave new world, that has such film discourse in't.

 

[Stupor Mario]

The only thing that makes it art to them, (excusing the Fellowship's opinions) is that it evokes a reaction in people. Good or bad.

That's not art.
That's a banana taped to a wall. That's a car accident. That's an entire fireworks show going off all at once 50 yards from your house.

Cinematic ART isn't making you feel things, it's not even looking pretty.
Space Odyssey, as Ethan brought up, is Cinematic art because the emphasis is on the audience's interpretation of the events unfolding on screen. There's no narrator, there's no exposition dump character. It's just the unsettling quiet of a man speechlessly hurtling through the fabric of reality.

Have your popcorn movies, have your cinematic theme park rides. There's nothing wrong with Burger King sponsored shoot 'em ups.

But don't confuse something that pisses people off, with something that evokes a conversation deeper than the film itself.

Joker 2 evokes the conversation of: Boy I sure don't like shower rape.

Nothing else about this movie will survive. That is not art.
That is a meme.

Trying to define what constitutes great cinematic art is tricky. I'm more willing to incorporate how a movie affects the audience in my own definition of film art rather than to keep it strictly to the technical aspects of a film. And normally I'd be willing to give more latitude to people's different opinions. ( I think even a movie that is constructed in a way that pisses people off could potentially be good or great art.)

But when it comes to Zack and EVS , I know that these are two bad faith actors. I know that for some unfathomable reason, these two think that by pretending that they and they alone understand the genius of Joker 2, they are somehow achieving a victory over the BPCs/Zeroes. It's part of their scheme to elevate themselves above the other YouTubers as the true arbiters of opinion.

But even after saying that, a person could talk me into allowing for something, even something I don't like, to be considered an artistic film. But you'd have to make a real argument. You can't be like EVS and Zack and just rely on saying vague things like the movie was bold, beautiful, challenging, stunning and brave, then fall back on claiming that only Master Artistes like them possess the secret knowledge of why Joker 2 is genius, so trust us, bro.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

But when it comes to Zack and EVS , I know that these are two bad faith actors. I know that for some unfathomable reason, these two think that by pretending that they and they alone understand the genius of Joker 2, they are somehow achieving a victory over the BPCs/Zeroes. It's part of their scheme to elevate themselves above the other YouTubers as the true arbiters of opinion.

I think it's as simple as being contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian (and content). Hate views are still views and that's all that's left.

 

[deskgum]

You can't be like EVS and Zack and just rely on saying vague things like the movie was bold, beautiful, challenging, stunning and brave, then fall back on claiming that only Master Artistes like them possess the secret knowledge of why Joker 2 is genius, so trust us, bro.

In Zack's video this morning 'Mind Your Bidness' he said people are still going to be watching Joker 2 in 50 years. He was comparing it against clickbait youtubers, which, sure ok fine, but one of the running themes of that video is that time will always prove him right and it just takes all the dumb people a while to catch up.

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

In Zack's video this morning 'Mind Your Bidness' he said people are still going to be watching Joker 2 in 50 years. He was comparing it against clickbait youtubers, which, sure ok fine, but one of the running themes of that video is that time will always prove him right and it just takes all the dumb people a while to catch up.

He really can't get off Rippah's nuts can he?

 

[Stupor Mario]

In Zack's video this morning 'Mind Your Bidness' he said people are still going to be watching Joker 2 in 50 years. He was comparing it against clickbait youtubers, which, sure ok fine, but one of the running themes of that video is that time will always prove him right and it just takes all the dumb people a while to catch up.

Lol. Zack is on the right side of history.

Did he offer any explanation at all as to why Joker 2 is so brilliant?

 

[Fleetwood]

In Zack's video this morning 'Mind Your Bidness' he said people are still going to be watching Joker 2 in 50 years. He was comparing it against clickbait youtubers, which, sure ok fine, but one of the running themes of that video is that time will always prove him right and it just takes all the dumb people a while to catch up.

YBZ (and JSG) busting on Adam Post out of nowhere made me laugh, that's a comicsgate throwback

Did he offer any explanation at all as to why Joker 2 is so brilliant?

Because it will be watched in 50 years unlike WOKE HOLLYWOOD PANIC Adam Post videos, not good enough explianation for you then you're letting the algorithm take the wheel bro!

 

[GPRIMACADO]

Joker 2 evokes the conversation of: Boy I sure don't like shower rape.

Someone say shower rape?

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Nothing else about this movie will survive. That is not art.

Reddit seems to think everything modern will age like the Star Wars prequels and be appreciated twenty years later, forgetting that the prequels have actual things of substance that were praised even at the time, such as the effects, the model work, the fight choreography, the visuals, etc. It's pure cope. Nobody has reevaluated UltraViolet and judged it to be great, and nobody but a retard ever will. Some movies are just shit, and everything Ya Boi likes is shit.

This situation is funny though and I hope he and EVS turn CG into an anti-Drinker movement that turns everyone on the internet against them.

 

[Train Operator]

Someone say shower rape?

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see Richard, now this is art.

 

[Mr Processor]

Nobody has reevaluated UltraViolet and judged it to be great, and nobody but a retard ever will

Hmm, I just watched the trailer, and it looks better than Joker 2 (low bar I know).

 

[Stupor Mario]

Reddit seems to think everything modern will age like the Star Wars prequels and be appreciated twenty years later, forgetting that the prequels have actual things of substance that were praised even at the time, such as the effects, the model work, the fight choreography, the visuals, etc. It's pure cope. Nobody has reevaluated UltraViolet and judged it to be great, and nobody but a retard ever will. Some movies are just shit, and everything Ya Boi likes is shit.

Reddit doesn't understand that movies are a dying art form. As the years roll on, it's mostly older people who will retain any special fondness for movies, and that will mostly be for 20th century films, when Hollywood was at it's peak. (It's just like how the previous generations had a fondness for radio programs which were largely a dead thing by the time I was a kid.) Most kids now hardly care about movies, they're into YouTube and other streaming services.

Hey, Zack, how many people changed their mind about the Disney Sequel Star Wars Trilogy now that we're coming up on the 10th anniversary of The Force Awakens? You seeing a big cultural change where people are now recognizing the genius of The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker? I'm sure that 40 years from now, that'll happen.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Hmm, I just watched the trailer, and it looks better than Joker 2 (low bar I know).

It was a product of the Old World, before the troon times, so it's automatically better than most crap being churned out today.