#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Emperor Julian]

It's even funnier how Tess says she's "on the correct side of history" as I believe she doesn't currently have a job and is only connected to the industry by being part of these cliques that'd currently shitting things up. You'd think the guy actually succeeding is the one who's currently writing a Batman series and understands that his job is "Give people Batman and be professional while representing your company".

My avatar and name is a joke about the right side of history, were the 'right side of history' boils down the a lucky spear throw from a Zorostrian infantryman as far as Christianity is concearned. Tess doesnt understand that the current social trends are just that-current social trends, no universal principles, not some divine force-just the general way things seem to be going. The idea that where slowly evolving towards anything is supreme hubris and things can go 'off script' in the blink of an eye

...because their is no script and everything we've built for gay and trans people could turn to shit if things go a certain way.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

My avatar and name is a referance to the right side of history, were the 'right side of history' boils down the a lucky spear throw from a Zorostrian infantryman as far as Christianity is concearned. Tess doesnt understand that the current social trends are just that-current social trends, no universal principles, not some divine force-just the general way things seem to be going. The idea that where slowly evolving towards anything is supreme hubris and things can go 'off script' in the blink of an eye

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...because their is no script and everything we've build for gay and trans people could turn to shit if things go a certain way.

If you can tell which way the winds are blowing, though, you can predict the future by seeing the signs, and then perhaps you'll figure out which side of history will be right in the end.

Of course, she probably hasn't, and in any case I don't think either side of this whole drama will be victorious in the end.

 

[BurningPewter]

I bought the first volumes of Ms Marvel and Spider Gwen when they were very cheap as tablet ebooks recently. Having not bought any superhero comics for years. I actually quite enjoyed them.

I thought Spider Gwen had a lot of fun twists - I liked Peter having been crazy, and this universe's Captain America being a black WW2 nurse who ended up in the machine instead of Steve due to a change of fate. But the comic itself was the same old classic "Spider-hero swings around and fights a bad guy they have a past with" and I can't say I was fired up to read more.

I really enjoyed Ms Marvel more. I thought she was a likeable girl, classic Marvel " lonely nerd gets powers" and for all the SJW rep it gets - I thought it was actually pretty anti strict Muslim, she's a normal girl who wants to go to parties and let her hair down, and there's a few sub plots like her father being a suffocating goof, her fighting her mosque leader for the right to speak or sit outside the women's area, her finding more relaxation with her western friends - I was kind of surprised how critical it was of her culture.

Again I'm not sure I'd read more, it was fun but the same old Marvel hero against a crazy bad guy. I guess I'm too old, I think it's great for today's kids but I read too much classic Marvel as a kid to read more of the same. And I think that's what it should be, fresh twists on the old stuff for new kids, not confusing stories for the old fans.

(btw can anyone "explain like I'm 5" what the conclusion/explanation to Cap being Hydra was?)

 

[Emperor Julian]

If you can tell which way the winds are blowing, though, you can predict the future by seeing the signs, and then perhaps you'll figure out which side of history will be right in the end.

You can try and get a feel yes, but in the end it's an educated guess and a single variable will scupper your framework. For example say tormmorow North Korea succesfully detonated a nuclear device in Japan and all bets are off except a lot of people are going to die shortly.
Or say some a spergy comic book authors total inability to conduct themselves proffesionally because their comics suck and one medicore youtuber effectively empowered a conservative power block within comic culture and suddenly the supposed cultural zeigeist of the last 20 odd years comes tumbling down.
Who knows maybe the house of mouse will fire these cretins and impliment a good strategy to bring in diverse comics characters?

 

[RockVolnutt]

I bought the first volumes of Ms Marvel and Spider Gwen when they were very cheap as tablet ebooks recently. Having not bought any superhero comics for years. I actually quite enjoyed them.

I thought Spider Gwen had a lot of fun twists - I liked Peter having been crazy, and this universe's Captain America being a black WW2 nurse who ended up in the machine instead of Steve due to a change of fate. But the comic itself was the same old classic "Spider-hero swings around and fights a bad guy they have a past with" and I can't say I was fired up to read more.

I really enjoyed Ms Marvel more. I thought she was a likeable girl, classic Marvel " lonely nerd gets powers" and for all the SJW rep it gets - I thought it was actually pretty anti strict Muslim, she's a normal girl who wants to go to parties and let her hair down, and there's a few sub plots like her father being a suffocating goof and fighting her mosque leader for the right to speak or sit outside the women's area, with her finding more relaxation with her western friends - I was kind of surprised how critical it was of her culture.

Again I'm not sure I'd read more, it was fun but the same old Marvel hero against a crazy bad guy. I guess I'm too old, I think it's great for today's kids but I read too much classic Marvel as a kid to read more of the same. And I think that's what it should be, fresh twists on the old stuff for new kids, not confusing stories for the old fans.

Those aren't incompatible ideas is the funny thing. It's like how I'm only a fairly young 21 years old and have been reading funny books for years with my favorite Marvel characters being the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Captain America, and Thor. Marvel isn't really Marvel if you just kill them all/bastardize them and then have hip new """diverse""" replacements, I'm clearly not talking from the point of view of an "old neckbeard" clinging to my irrelevancy or whatever the claim is of the week. If you throw everything out then you might as well be some new SJW friendly imprint at some other company at that point. If "kids" are the true target then creators going on political rants and calling their customer base Nazis for disagreeing with the direction of their stories is even more inappropriate.

New characters such as Kamala Khan have a place as long as you don't completely erode the foundation of your universe. Her creator even pointed out how Marvel was making a horrible move with their habit of demonizing/undermining the predecessors to whatever new replacement they thought up (See Steve Rogers being turned into a terrible metaphor for Trump/"White America"). The originals don't have to go away as there's always new stories to tell.

(btw can anyone "explain like I'm 5" what the conclusion/explanation to Cap being Hydra was?)

He wasn't the real Cap, cosmic cube stuff happened. Steve Rogers was stuck in the cosmic cube from Standoff and showed up to beat up Hydra Cap after the good guys steal it back from Hydra Cap. Everyone kinda just rolls with it including citizens so no redemption arc for things he didn't actually do besides feeling kinda uncomfortable about some other guy with his face. Hydra Cap is currently in jail and SHIELD disbanded for being responsible for it all.

It was dumb and they kinda backpedaled during it as it was poorly received.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

Someone should tell Tess that all the comic books that are remembered by history managed to appeal to a large audience, last for decades, and sell tens of thousands of copies, not books that focus on a super niche base, last for 3 issues, and sell as well as dog food at Brianna Wu's house.

Someone should also tell her she shares a name with a smokin' hot porn model, who will be remembered long after her comic book whines have been shuffled into the wastecan of history. Because at the end of the day, one of these two Tesses has what the public wants.

 

[BurningPewter]

He wasn't the real Cap, cosmic cube stuff happened. Steve Rogers was stuck in the cosmic cube from Standoff and showed up to beat up Hydra Cap after the good guys steal it back from Hydra Cap. Everyone kinda just rolls with it including citizens so no redemption arc for things he didn't actually do besides feeling kinda uncomfortable about some other guy with his face. Hydra Cap is currently in jail and SHIELD disbanded for being responsible for it all.

It was dumb and they kinda backpedaled during it as it was poorly received.

oh ok. I thought at first they said it was some thing from his childhood that gave him some conflicted old loyalty to some element of Hydra.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Someone should also tell her she shares a name with a smokin' hot porn model, who will be remembered long after her comic book whines have been shuffled into the wastecan of history. Because at the end of the day, one of these two Tesses has what the public wants.

As rude as it might be, I thank god that it's not comic Tess that was a porn actresses.

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oh ok. I thought at first they said it was some thing from his childhood that gave him some conflicted old loyalty to some element of Hydra.

They showed that but that was only how not-Steve remembers his past, not really an actual thing that happened. The whole "He's not the real Captain America" plot was one example of the backpedaling I mentioned as (supposedly if you believe the rumors) the original intent was going to be Sam Wilson beating him and all the heroes going through a "Nomad" like phase afterwards. Thankfully we got Marvel Legacy that amounted to little instead of Marvel going "Antifa Comics".

 

[damian]

(btw can anyone "explain like I'm 5" what the conclusion/explanation to Cap being Hydra was?)

Red Skull (big mean nazi guy) used Kobik (cosmic cube girl) to re-write Captain America's (Shield Man) history.

Captain America is now an undercover Hydra (not Nazi, Nazis) agent.

Nazi Cap kills Red Skull.

He later takes over the USA in a very clumsy parallel to Trump being elected President.

Cosmic cube makes a construct of the real version of Captain America,

Real Nazi Cap vs Fake Good Cap,

Fake Good Cap wins,

ends with bullshit sequel bait, never mentioned again.

He wasn't the real Cap, cosmic cube stuff happened. Steve Rogers was stuck in the cosmic cube from Standoff and showed up to beat up Hydra Cap after the good guys steal it back from Hydra Cap. Everyone kinda just rolls with it including citizens so no redemption arc for things he didn't actually do besides feeling kinda uncomfortable about some other guy with his face. Hydra Cap is currently in jail and SHIELD disbanded for being responsible for it all.

It was dumb and they kinda backpedaled during it as it was poorly received.

Hydra Cap was the real Captain America, The Good one is a construct made by the cube.

Fuck Nick Spencer btw.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Hydra Cap is the real Captain America, The Good one is a construct made by the cube.

The only one who claims this is Hydra's Captain America. It's officially acknowledged that "good" Captain America is the real one. You're forgetting that he vanished in a flash of light during Standoff when he "became young again" which gives it wiggle room unless I'm forgetting something of course.

 

[damian]

The only one who claims this is Hydra's Captain America. It's officially acknowledged that "good" Captain America is the real one. You're forgetting that he vanished in a flash of light during Standoff when he "became young again" which gives it wiggle room. Unless I'm forgetting something of course.

I dont want to read it again, i will admit there's wiggle room. There still 2 Caps in the 616 unless they decide to tie-up that loose end.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

That's a little unfair, the idea of history having a coarse is the lovechild of whiggish history, natually because people are naive they're always looking for a simple narration of events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history

People always think of history as a story whereas it's actually swirling pit of chaos, shitting up your naive models but Pretty much everyone does it because we're looking for justification for the now.

EDIT- a powerlevel tangent but I actually saw this in action when I was at a high school for an community event last sunday. The walls where covered in articles and images celebrating britains fondness for 'tolerance' ignoring the actual brutal realities of british history-an false idea built because we strive to be decent so we pretend our ancestors wernt the sort of people who burnt down a synagogue because of blood libel.

Britain is and was always a violent and barbaric country under the surface, its only in the last fifty years we have tried to sweep this under the rug but it always boils to the surface via football hooliganism or riots.

 

[Ineedahero]

God damn, that art is atrocious.

 

[RockVolnutt]

>But suddenly when it's US talking, we have to be on our Ps and Qs.
I'm :late: getting to this but even if we accept Tamra's narrative instead of this starting with them sperging out and then blocking an entire company for thanking a new customer who was recommended to them by D&C, is this not how it's supposed to work? You're supposedly a professional which means you should be able to handle these things maturely instead of absolutely losing your shit over some old dude with a phone that doesn't even know what a "Discord" is.

 

[Incredible Crisis]

Kamala Khan seems like a diversity appeal who was given the time to develop her own identity, therefore making her a fully rounded character.

I'd much rather have diverse characters like her in comics over America Chavez, who is the mouthpiece of a moron who doesn't care about making good comics.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

While I do not know the extent of his involvement in Comicsgate, Micah Curtis is Boycotting Marvel after they announced that Ta-Nehisi Coates is taking over Captain America.

Bleeding Cool had reported this weeks ago so the announcement did not surprise me. Given Coates' reputation, I believe that this will damage Cap in worse ways than Spencer did.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

While I do not know the extent of his involvement in Comicsgate, Micah Curtis is Boycotting Marvel after they announced that Ta-Nehisi Coates is taking over Captain America.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GsehJ2oeE2U
Bleeding Cool had reported this weeks ago so the announcement did not surprise me. Given Coates' reputation, I believe that this will damage Cap in worse ways than Spencer did.

Inb4 Kang Wiwuz kills Cap off in the first issue, replaces him with Falcon or Blackcap, and then turns them into the same #1 Woke Brother he turned Black Panther into.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Some news with Diamond

 

[damian]

While I do not know the extent of his involvement in Comicsgate, Micah Curtis is Boycotting Marvel after they announced that Ta-Nehisi Coates is taking over Captain America.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GsehJ2oeE2U
Bleeding Cool had reported this weeks ago so the announcement did not surprise me. Given Coates' reputation, I believe that this will damage Cap in worse ways than Spencer did.

Here is the Article (Archive),

With Dan Slott on Iron Man, Ta Nehisi Coates on Captain America and Nick Spencer on Spider-Man, why not hire Gabby Rivera to do the Avengers and end Marvel with a bang.

(What is Mark Waid doing post 'Fresh Start'?)

 

[RockVolnutt]

What is Mark Waid doing post 'Fresh Start'?