#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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I have never seen the RealDoll industry (the utmost example of "industry that sells female sex objects") attack or try to control customers the way current American comics have. Nobody from that industry calls them names or tells women they can't get them or is concerned with what you do with them after the purchase (even if it's something crazy like "disposable stunt double in wild youtube video/movie"). By those standards, sex doll manufacturers have the moral high ground over comic creators today.
 
Most agree that her first run (Vol.1 aka: Pre-Secret Wars) was good, after that (Vol.2 aka: Post Secret Wars) it became horrendously bad. The writers started pushing her as propaganda a symbol of strong POC Wahmyn representation:
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Yup. Her first run reminded me a lot of the first 10-12 issues of the new Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) series when it first started. Lots of 'I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING' with powers, stress with family life, etc. What I call the 'Spider-Man' formula.

So of course they shit it up with SJW garbage. Le sigh.
 
Yup. Her first run reminded me a lot of the first 10-12 issues of the new Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) series when it first started. Lots of 'I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING' with powers, stress with family life, etc. What I call the 'Spider-Man' formula.

So of course they shit it up with SJW garbage. Le sigh.

Well, you have to go somewhere after you start the Spider-Man formula. Nobody wants to take any risks with minority characters anymore so they end up as woke Peter Parker with barely any changes to original. At least Spider-Gwen has a different costume.
 
What is it with these self-inserts? Are they so devoid of life experiences and achievements they have to put themselves into a comic book to feel like they've accomplished something with their lives?

Nigga, go get kidnapped or some shit.

Self-Inserts are the signs of failing/failed/terrible artists. Their imaginations are usually so limited, they have a complete inability to use any sort of empathy to project any other characters. Of course the dumb cunt creates basically an exact replica of herself as a superhero, because she has no imagination. She's not a creative. She's a rich brown girl, with rich parents who got diversity hired into a position of power and forces her shitty Mary Sue into issue after issue until completely bombing.

Also like D&C said, she's not a creative. She really has no interests in comics besides the point they push her ideology. I just want them to make a Ms. Marvel movie, because I guarantee that shit would be the first Marvel bomb. People are already predicting Captain Marvel will be their first bomb, but I don't think so. Its going to most likely have links to Infinity War and an interesting era, so there's more than just 'Grrrll power' there. The thing is she'll be the highest power superhero in that universe since Captain Marvel is basically Superman, so its interesting to see how they'll deal with that.

I think the major problem they're going to have is that they're going to have to not have her solve Infinity War, because people will get really pissed about a new-comer overshadowing basically a decade of story. I don't think they will, 'cause Marvel is smart, but you never know and they've not written themselves into a corner so there are a lot of possibilities. And with the Disney/Fox buy being official, holy shit.

(But tbh, the Black Widow movie is probably going to be more interesting. Fucking sucks they'll never do my dream movie of a Black Widow/Punisher cross-over though).

I thought TED was for intelligent, successful people. :optimistic: They really diluted that brand with TEDx (which featured that insufferable woman defending pedophilia a while ago).

Fun fact: Anyone can do a TedX talk. All you have to do is pay them and you can have one. Its why Sam Hyde has one. On that note, its the only good TedX talk in existence. Also because of TedX, the brand is completely and fundamentally dead now. It used to mean something, but they basically destroyed themselves for allowing anyone to license out the name.

I have never seen the RealDoll industry (the utmost example of "industry that sells female sex objects") attack or try to control customers the way current American comics have. Nobody from that industry calls them names or tells women they can't get them or is concerned with what you do with them after the purchase (even if it's something crazy like "disposable stunt double in wild youtube video/movie"). By those standards, sex doll manufacturers have the moral high ground over comic creators today.

The problem is comic books have had their audience by the balls for years with nostalgia. I mean they suffered through some terrible shit. The problem is that there really isn't anywhere else for comics fans to go anymore except to just shrug and read back issues or previous stories. Which is what they've been doing. The thing is comics have been fucking cratering into the ground. The only thing keeping them alive is Disney basically using them as a vestigial marketing organ. I mean, look at who they fucking hire. They grab shitty writers and artists from tumblr and pay them garbage.

You've got your exceptions, but generally all this shit is run by petty faggots who LOVE that they have a job where they're basically not held accountable for the sales of their product. That's the hilarious thing. If Disney went up to this dumb cunt today, "Ok. You have to be in the black now and selling books. You have one year of running on our money before you're on your own." They would have NO idea what to do. Their new audience is nowhere. You got 5 (and only 5) Muslim Girls to buy 3 issues of Ms. Marvel. Congrats. Oh, but you are selling so bad you just lost 50 comic book stores who no longer order any books.

It would be impossible to fix without basically firing entire divisions and shutting whole books down. I mean, Marvel itself can't do its own fucking job of writing characters any more they have to farm them out to IDW. Its so pathetic. The only people left buying comics are the diehards, collectors and people forgot they put them on a perpetual order. There's no new audience, there's no new female audience and the original audience is disappearing to the point where the medium itself is basically becoming unsustainable. I don't think Disney itself cares all that much, they've got so much material for the next century they can endure Marvel and comics being pure dogshit while holding onto the IPs. What they won't do is let this dumb cunt near any of the good stuff (TV, Games, Movies). They saw what happened to Star Wars.

The value is in the video-games, movies and television shows where better creatives can flex their muscles. Comics are for failed writers who never want to get fired because they say the right words.
 
Also like D&C said, she's not a creative. She really has no interests in comics besides the point they push her ideology. I just want them to make a Ms. Marvel movie, because I guarantee that shit would be the first Marvel bomb. People are already predicting Captain Marvel will be their first bomb, but I don't think so. Its going to most likely have links to Infinity War and an interesting era, so there's more than just 'Grrrll power' there. The thing is she'll be the highest power superhero in that universe since Captain Marvel is basically Superman, so its interesting to see how they'll deal with that.
Sorry if this is spergy but that's not exactly true. Not even getting into Superman being weaker then you think he is in the comics, Thor and Dr. Strange say hi, but Carol being super-duper extra strong is some marketing thing that popped up only recently. Her usual strength is shown as somewhere in the ball park of Spider-Man but it's kinda iffy since she can absorb energy to amp herself. They've never really done much with her to actually show she's crazy strong without supposedly juicing up beforehand.

It's like how her comic has been taglining her as "The World's Most Popular Superhero" which isn't even remotely true in-universe and especially IRL. No one knows Carol Danvers. Perhaps it'll be true in the context of the MCU but that remains to be seen.

It's one of those cases of "Telling everyone your protagonist is a thing but never actually showing it".
 
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The main reason Disney bought Marvel is because it's a more cost effective way to pay for their Marvel movies than paying hefty licensing fees each time. It has nothing to do with an ultra-long-term loss leading strategy of setting up characters compatible with countries that may or may not be viable audiences for movies in the future. It's not because Disney is seriously running out of old stories to use for their movies. The lasting appeal of Cinematic Universes in general will likely run out before the well of old comics Disney takes inspiration from will. They can keep making MCU movies for decades after Superhero Cinematic Universes have been supplanted by whatever the next big movie trend is with no need for new talent whatsoever. Not even with old writers- just having nobody make comics within the company anywhere would still leave them with plenty of material. Marvel's comics division has been absolutely gutted and now they're only making low-cost, low-return books and spending as little money and effort as possible on them. My question is, what happens when Disney hires Ron Howard or Rian Johnson to make a string of MCU movies? What's going to save them then and there?
 
Kinda surprised I haven't seen this here since ComicDrake already make sorta of an apparition, the same guy who made a video comparing Miles Morales with RiRi Williams and claiming they are basically the same character. Not sure if nu-male is the right term to describe both.


The "please like me" vibe is strong.
 
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Kinda surprised I haven't seen this here since ComicDrake already make sorta of an apparition, the same guy who made a video comparing Miles Morales with RiRi Williams and claiming they are basically the same character.
How is that a compliment? Is that a "They're both supposed to represent black people so they're exactly the same" thing?
 
Sorry if this is spergy but that's not exactly true. Not even getting into Superman being weaker then you think he is in the comics, Thor and Dr. Strange say hi, but Carol being super-duper extra strong is some marketing thing that popped up only recently. Her usual strength is shown as somewhere in the ball park of Spider-Man but it's kinda iffy since she can absorb energy to amp herself. They've never really done much with her to actually show she's crazy strong without supposedly juicing up beforehand.

It's like how her comic has been taglining her as "The World's Most Popular Superhero" which isn't even remotely true in-universe and especially IRL. No one knows Carol Danvers. Perhaps it'll be true in the context of the MCU but that remains to be seen.

It's one of those cases of "Telling everyone your protagonist is a thing but never actually showing it".

Yeah, I don't really know shit about her. All I know is making her amazing right off the bat is not going to work story-wise and she shouldn't be a major key to solving Infinity War. The old Avengers should, which I think is their plan.

The main reason Disney bought Marvel is because it's a more cost effective way to pay for their Marvel movies than paying hefty licensing fees each time. It has nothing to do with an ultra-long-term loss leading strategy of setting up characters compatible with countries that may or may not be viable audiences for movies in the future. It's not because Disney is seriously running out of old stories to use for their movies. The lasting appeal of Cinematic Universes in general will likely run out before the well of old comics Disney takes inspiration from will. They can keep making MCU movies for decades after Superhero Cinematic Universes have been supplanted by whatever the next big movie trend is with no need for new talent whatsoever. Not even with old writers- just having nobody make comics within the company anywhere would still leave them with plenty of material. Marvel's comics division has been absolutely gutted and now they're only making low-cost, low-return books and spending as little money and effort as possible on them. My question is, what happens when Disney hires Ron Howard or Rian Johnson to make a string of MCU movies? What's going to save them then and there?

Well, yeah. That's why they bought them. And they're a vestigial marketing arm. The thing with Disney is that they know what happened with Star Wars. Its not like they aren't cogent. Also, Star Wars is an EXTREMELY limited universe with the way they did it. Marvel is basically endless. They've got so much to pull from and can easily reboot things as the characters can be reset. There's no single actor tied to a character as in Star Wars. Like, you can have one director fuck up a movie, but have another director come in and do some retcon and it never happened. You can't just do that with Star Wars, since the actors are basically tied to the characters themselves.

The thing is that there are definitely plans in place at Marvel Studios, plans A, B, C, D and so on. That place is basically the Military Industrial Complex of the movie industry. I have no doubts they've got contingencies there for that. The problem is that Star Wars was fully formed handed to them. I believe Mike Stoklaska of RLM said it best when he said Disney getting Star Wars was basically a Redneck winning the lottery. They had no fucking clue what to do with themselves so they ran all over the place. It wasn't really built up, it was just handed to them and they got tunnel vision over the money they could make. They figured it'd just sort itself out like Marvel and they could do whatever they wanted with it and then when that didn't happened, they realized they fucked up. Rain Johnson isn't getting a trilogy and Kennedy is getting fired, but the damage is done. They've only got a basically one story-line to work with, while Marvel made Guardians of the Galaxy more popular than the oldest comic book family, the Fantastic Four.

The MCU has been built from scratch like a military organization. They fired James Gunn and it probably will affect nothing. They've been prepping for all the Avenger's contracts expiring for years. They've got back-ups upon back-ups. The MCU is structured more like seasons of a TV show than movies. They've got running 'arcs' for things like Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3, etc. That place is run like a machine and I have no doubts that people who are in there are going to be lifers. You're going to have basically this organizational structure that will train itself when people decide to leave. Because of the sheer amount of properties, the damage from any one movie can be mitigated AS LONG AS YOU TREAT YOUR AUDIENCE WITH RESPECT. The only way Marvel fucks itself is if it treats its audience like Marvel Comics, Games Journalists, Star Wars and other fucking incompetents do. Lucasfilm is a branch of Disney, but its pretty far apart from it.
 
The main reason Disney bought Marvel is because it's a more cost effective way to pay for their Marvel movies than paying hefty licensing fees each time. It has nothing to do with an ultra-long-term loss leading strategy of setting up characters compatible with countries that may or may not be viable audiences for movies in the future. It's not because Disney is seriously running out of old stories to use for their movies. The lasting appeal of Cinematic Universes in general will likely run out before the well of old comics Disney takes inspiration from will. They can keep making MCU movies for decades after Superhero Cinematic Universes have been supplanted by whatever the next big movie trend is with no need for new talent whatsoever. Not even with old writers- just having nobody make comics within the company anywhere would still leave them with plenty of material. Marvel's comics division has been absolutely gutted and now they're only making low-cost, low-return books and spending as little money and effort as possible on them. My question is, what happens when Disney hires Ron Howard or Rian Johnson to make a string of MCU movies? What's going to save them then and there?
Tragically, Ike "The Kike" Perlman's dream has come true; Marvel is basically one guy in a room signing off licensing deals.
 
Self-Inserts are the signs of failing/failed/terrible artists. Their imaginations are usually so limited, they have a complete inability to use any sort of empathy to project any other characters.

It's why all their backstories are exactly the same. They're all from various parts of the middle class coastal cities. They're all smart to super genius. They're all mostly level-headed with various sass. There's some lip service to racial or cultural tensions that never mean anything. They had to bring back teenage Cyclops in Champions just because they couldn't bear the thought of depicting their self-inserts as serious and rigid. Gonna sperg a bit. I know this is Waid but it's still a good example.

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You could throw in Moongirl, America, and Ironheart and Cyclops would still be the only one who sits out karaoke. Teen Titans may not be at their peak but they aren't this predictable. None of the Marvel hacks can write characters with interests different from theirs unless they bring them back from the past.
 
Rey's OK. Hell even butterface Korean girls is OK. But I draw the line at that horrendous Star Fire. There is no excuse for that shit.
 
People are already predicting Captain Marvel will be their first bomb, but I don't think so. Its going to most likely have links to Infinity War and an interesting era, so there's more than just 'Grrrll power' there. The thing is she'll be the highest power superhero in that universe since Captain Marvel is basically Superman, so its interesting to see how they'll deal with that.

I think the major problem they're going to have is that they're going to have to not have her solve Infinity War, because people will get really pissed about a new-comer overshadowing basically a decade of story. I don't think they will, 'cause Marvel is smart, but you never know and they've not written themselves into a corner so there are a lot of possibilities. And with the Disney/Fox buy being official, holy shit.

I have an odd feeling that Marvel Studios does not know how to handle Captain Marvel and is leaning heavily on how "woke" the film is. Very few could have predicted how successful Wonder Woman would be and really caught Marvel with their pants down because I think they wanted to have the first successful female-led superhero film and the fact that a woman (Patty Jenkins) directed only bruised their pride even more. Hence the added emphasis on how "progressive" the character Carol Danvers is.

In regards to Infinity War, I suspect that Carol will be something of an awkward fit. The only purpose of mid-credits scene was to set up for Captain Marvel, which--frankly--felt forced. I could be wrong, I often am, but I think that the film will ape a lot of beats from Guardians of the Galaxy (except with 90s nostalgia) and struggle to find an identity beyond the gender of the main character.
 
All I know is making her amazing right off the bat is not going to work story-wise and she shouldn't be a major key to solving Infinity War. The old Avengers should, which I think is their plan.
Apparently the Captain Marvel will be the Avengers 'face going forward' and with her movie set in the 90s, i think they are trying to shoehorn her character into the universe just in time to save everyone and be the bestest superhero EVA. Frankly i think this route is a complete cop-out and diminishes the stories already told, if S.H.E.I.L.D. already had the strongest hero, why not un-cryogenically freeze her arse have her help earlier?

Rey's OK. Hell even butterface Korean girls is OK. But I draw the line at that horrendous Star Fire. There is no excuse for that shit.
I'm not going to swallow the Disney shill PR of all girls are being harassed by the evil geeks - without actual PROOF. Daisy Ridley Rey didn't leave social media because of harassment, nobody knows why Kelly Marie Tran left - many speculate because of Disney NDAs (recently came out that cast and crew are supposed to use old Nokia phones without cameras when on set) and i don't know enough about Starfire girl. I have seen a lot of hate thrown at the characters they play; Rey is a massive Mary-Sue (ma-rey-sue), Rose Tico seems deliberately made frumpy and Starfire looks like a cheap streetwalker. I'm not going to say there was no harassment, but i will guess that it is very low percentage of tweets / comments they receive daily.

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How is that a compliment? Is that a "They're both supposed to represent black people so they're exactly the same" thing?
ComicDrake made a video stating that the backlash RiRi is receiving is similar to that of Miles back in the day. He downright chooses to ignore the real reason RiRi is so unbearable is best exemplified by the infamous teacher scene and even goes as far as to play the a segment where he shows one "argument" against black Peter Parker, not black Spider Man.
 
You know, even if D&C's comics don't deliver, maybe they are honest to god dog shit. At least I know that at least the money he got from the campaign will go to his family. That's better than most people who don't deliver and lack any meaningful relationships or responsibilities .
 
You know, even if D&C's comics don't deliver, maybe they are honest to god dog shit. At least I know that at least the money he got from the campaign will go to his family. That's better than most people who don't deliver and lack any meaningful relationships or responsibilities .

Even if Zack’s comics are trash. If he delivers the product he’s a step up from B. Clay Moore, a few like-minded pros got paid for the work (Malin and Shannon most notably), and dissatisfied customers can still walk away having donated to a guy who has given them hours of amusing content on YouTube like it was a 25$ Patreon donation or something. It’s still money that didn’t go to Marvel or DC and went into the hands of someone their employees despise so it’s a win either way.
 
I'm not going to swallow the Disney shill PR of all girls are being harassed by the evil geeks - without actual PROOF. Daisy Ridley Rey didn't leave social media because of harassment, nobody knows why Kelly Marie Tran left - many speculate because of Disney NDAs (recently came out that cast and crew are supposed to use old Nokia phones without cameras when on set) and i don't know enough about Starfire girl. I have seen a lot of hate thrown at the characters they play; Rey is a massive Mary-Sue (ma-rey-sue), Rose Tico seems deliberately made frumpy and Starfire looks like a cheap streetwalker. I'm not going to say there was no harassment, but i will guess that it is very low percentage of tweets / comments they receive daily.
Starfire's actress is Anna Diop, and if you look at pics of her outside that godawful costume, you'll see why she was cast; she really is gorgeous.

Which is, I think, why so many people are infuriated. How the fuck do you screw things up so badly that Starfire looks like a truck-stop hooker?
 
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