#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Stab You in the Back]

There is a good goddamn reason why the best regarded comics in history have all been self contained limited series only tangentially connected to the wider canon (i.e. Killing Joke and Dark Knight and such) or just straight up divorced entirely from it (i.e. Watchmen....until recently because DC is fucking shameless) and all have had the same writer/writing team create them.

The problem with citing Killing Joke, Dark Knight and Watchmen is that they're all metatextual and wouldn't make a lick of sense without the tens of thousands of sincere comics that preceded them. That said, you're right to a degree, but I'd throw entire runs up there. Claremont's X-Men. Byrne's Fantastic Four. Denny O'Neil and later Chuck Dixon's Batman. Wolfman and Perez's Teen Titans. They're not easy to recommend to newbies in the "oh you wanna get into comics, read this!" sense, but they're highly regarded, highly reference, and highly copied runs that lasted, and have endured, for decades. And the one thing all those runs have in common? The writers/artists weren't the creators of the characters, but built upon the legacy of those who came before them. Not everything has to be one-and-done like manga, but I think you have to build up what made the comics good and not just tear shit down because you don't like the status quo.

 

[damian]

YF should've made that joke about his teeth instead of the space between his eyes:

No wonder, he always has this cuck smile:

Who is this cuck? Gabriel Gonzalez, Editor of Geeks of Color:

https://geeksofcolor.co/author/thetoilettomahawk/
https://geeksofcolor.co/squad/gabe/

WTF is a "self-titled Wexican"?

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

WTF is a "self-titled Wexican"?

White Mexican.

 

[RockVolnutt]

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YF should've made that joke about his teeth instead of his forehead:
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No wonder, he always has this cuck smile:
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Who is this cuck? Gabriel Gonzalez, Editor of Geeks of Color:
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https://geeksofcolor.co/author/thetoilettomahawk/
https://geeksofcolor.co/squad/gabe/

WTF is a "self-titled Wexican"?

This dude is probably a good example of what I was talking about in the previous post.

 

[Done]

Fuck bendis, but you have to admit that daredevil run had some great high points.

Bendis typically does best with street-level crime stories, his typical writing choices lend themselves far better to that particular subset of comics.

 

[AnOminous]

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I'm pretty sure ComicsGate can't hear this idiot over the sound of how broke Marvel is going and how loudly people aren't going to buy this pathetic trash.

 

[Flexo]

Also keep in mind, mixed people with light skin tend to consider themselves "white" after a generation or two. Honestly if you fuck around with your definitions, you can basically argue white people never existed or everyone will be white by whatever year of your choosing.

I remember seeing that once when in a cracked photoplasty, someone submitted something like... "if you calculate all of history, more whites have been enslaved than other races." Immediately the comment section freaked out and started getting into what you note above and "those weren't really whites" kind of games. It really started to become comical at one point.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Oh dang. I don’t know if this belongs here. I’m on mobile but twitter woke comics are eating their own over drawing black hair. Jen Bartel has an io9 interview and now black comics crowd are pissed and I just can’t follow. He said she said how dare you block. Anyone got the time to follow this mess?

SJWs eating their own. Appears that it all stems from a candid 30min interview that i09 turned into a 2min long social justice piece from almost a month ago. https://io9.gizmodo.com/artist-jen-bartel-on-turning-fan-art-into-a-comics-care-1829055445 (frankly she should apologise to the Asians, those sailor moon drawings were much worse than the black drawings shown).

There are two answers in this interview I've shortened. On promoting disenfranchised artists (note disenfranchised is taken to mean minorities, i would take it to mean good artists that cant get eyeballs on their work and become disenfranchised, but whatever) - Answer: now it feels like i have a social responsibility to find and highlight people especially those starting out, particularly those from marginalized backgrounds.

On drawing black hair - 2-3years ago when starting pro work, she couldn't draw 'black' diverse hair very well and now people can't do escapism and always project themselves onto characters so it's important to get it right. Jen recognized her weaknesses and actively worked at improving drawing black hair. 'It's something that is so like culturally significant and important to most black people' (problem statement they are all bitching about) and when drawing something you respect that's what naturally happens so she spent the last few years studying it and trying to improve. Cue the REEEEEEE i might add more later

Spoiler: REEEEEEEEEEE timeline

Seems like the timeline goes: interview ->How dare you have a candid answer for a candid question, how dare you talk about improving your artwork to more accurately represent people, why didn't you interrogate the interviewer about their super racism?

You may have a point and i could have phrased my response better

Yo, i said his point was fair and tried to contact him, can you stop calling me a bigot?

(Read bottom tweets first) I apologise please stop hitting me, it's all my fault

I apologise for taking pride in my work and effort into drawing something accurately

Don't @ the other dude, because he is just going to have another fit

I am extremely woke, more woke than you

I concede your point, i09 made this a SoJus interview not me, i thought it was a good idea to emphasize hard work to draw something accurately. you could have approached me in private rather than ranting about it in public

Look at this reply.

For you to answer like this in the first place makes me, and other black folks i know, wary about your intentions. Why is it your incredibly active effort and not an attention to detail not specifically afforded to black folks. This is one of a few possible answers that decenter yourself when discussing a group you don't belong to. This isn't an isolated case though. I believe you wouldn't have been asked about black hair in the first place if your drawing weren't tinged with an unmistakeable flavor of performativeness

IDK dude maybe because she came from fan-art (I'm guessing mostly anime) and wasn't very good at drawing black people, recognized her weakness put in a lot of effort to improve and is now proud that her drawings of 'black folks' are more accurate as a result. It's almost like you have to put practice and effort into something to become better at it, but I'm sure she's now very sorry that she wasn't born with the magic touch of drawing black folks real good with little effort

How dare you block people! How dare you deem it bad faith because they are all calling you racist, we should all be attacking i09 for not being woke enough

There are multiple accusations of the absolute crime of quote tweeting or sliding into Dms

Nah you didn't want to show the world how woke you are and get those goodboy arse pats at all

Sidebar: who hasn't seen articles about how whitey cant wear afro, corn-rows, dreads or get weaves, etc because that's black peoples hair or that shampoo is racist because particular brand doesn't cater to darky in their main line? it almost seems culturally significant or something. There was a 00s sitcom (Scrubs?) where a joke was; just compliment the black woman's hair and walk away.

 

[One Man Bland]

SJWs eating their own. Appears that it all stems from a candid 30min interview that i09 turned into a 2min long social justice piece from almost a month ago. https://io9.gizmodo.com/artist-jen-bartel-on-turning-fan-art-into-a-comics-care-1829055445 (frankly she should apologise to the Asians, those sailor moon drawings were much worse than the black drawings shown).

There are two answers in this interview I've shortened. On promoting disenfranchised artists (note disenfranchised is taken to mean minorities, i would take it to mean good artists that cant get eyeballs on their work and become disenfranchised, but whatever) - Answer: now it feels like i have a social responsibility to find and highlight people especially those starting out, particularly those from marginalized backgrounds.

On drawing black hair - 2-3years ago when starting pro work, she couldn't draw 'black' diverse hair very well and now people can't do escapism and always project themselves onto characters so it's important to get it right. Jen recognized her weaknesses and actively worked at improving drawing black hair. 'It's something that is so like culturally significant and important to most black people' (problem statement they are all bitching about) and when drawing something you respect that's what naturally happens so she spent the last few years studying it and trying to improve. Cue the REEEEEEE i might add more later

Spoiler: REEEEEEEEEEE timeline

Seems like the timeline goes: interview ->How dare you have a candid answer for a candid question, how dare you talk about improving your artwork to more accurately represent people, why didn't you interrogate the interviewer about their super racism?
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You may have a point and i could have phrased my response better
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Yo, i said his point was fair and tried to contact him, can you stop calling me a bigot?
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(Read bottom tweets first) I apologise please stop hitting me, it's all my fault
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I apologise for taking pride in my work and effort into drawing something accurately
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Don't @ the other dude, because he is just going to have another fit
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I am extremely woke, more woke than you
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I concede your point, i09 made this a SoJus interview not me, i thought it was a good idea to emphasize hard work to draw something accurately. you could have approached me in private rather than ranting about it in public
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Look at this reply. IDK dude maybe because she came from fan-art (I'm guessing mostly anime) and wasn't very good at drawing black people, recognized her weakness put in a lot of effort to improve and is now proud that her drawings of 'black folks' are more accurate as a result. It's almost like you have to put practice and effort into something to become better at it, but I'm sure she's now very sorry that she wasn't born with the magic touch of drawing black folks real good with little effort
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How dare you block people! How dare you deem it bad faith because they are all calling you racist, we should all be attacking i09 for not being woke enough
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There are multiple accusations of the absolute crime of quote tweeting or sliding into Dms
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Nah you didn't want to show the world how woke you are and get those goodboy arse pats at all
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Sidebar: who hasn't seen articles about how whitey cant wear afro, corn-rows, dreads or get weaves, etc because that's black peoples hair or that shampoo is racist because particular brand doesn't cater to darky in their main line? it almost seems culturally significant or something. There was a 00s sitcom (Scrubs?) where a joke was; just compliment the black woman's hair and walk away.

So the tl,dr I'm getting from this is another case of SJWs eating their own over an innocuous comment that anyone without a Masters Degree in Decolonization of Beyonce would've at most rolled their eyes at and moved on, but since it's CURRENT YEAR they gotta be put before the Comics Inquisition and have everything they said scrutinized for ideological purity until they slip up because all these hipsters know how to do is tear people down rather than lifting themselves up.

In other words, pure :autism:

 

[Jub-Jub]

Chris Kindred the most vocal complainer doesn't draw hair in his twitter avatar. Hmmm, I wonder why?
I mean he obviously cares about black hair, it seems culturally important to him

Spoiler: How to draw hair by Chris Kindred

Fucking LOL

Look at his glorious shit-locks

 

[damian]

So shitty people being shitty to other shitty people. Neat.

 

[Munchingonfish]

YF should've made that joke about his teeth instead of the space between his eyes:
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[El Jagre]

Does anyone else realize that suddenly sonichu tier writing is praised?
I mean that mojo dialogue is the exact same shit as this, right?

 

[damian]

Look at his glorious shit-locks
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So this is that beta black men demographic, Marvel has been pandering to with Captain Antifa Sam Wilson, Delivery Man Blade and Low T Luke Cage.

 

[knightlautrec]

SJWs eating their own. Appears that it all stems from a candid 30min interview that i09 turned into a 2min long social justice piece from almost a month ago. https://io9.gizmodo.com/artist-jen-bartel-on-turning-fan-art-into-a-comics-care-1829055445 (frankly she should apologise to the Asians, those sailor moon drawings were much worse than the black drawings shown).

There are two answers in this interview I've shortened. On promoting disenfranchised artists (note disenfranchised is taken to mean minorities, i would take it to mean good artists that cant get eyeballs on their work and become disenfranchised, but whatever) - Answer: now it feels like i have a social responsibility to find and highlight people especially those starting out, particularly those from marginalized backgrounds.

On drawing black hair - 2-3years ago when starting pro work, she couldn't draw 'black' diverse hair very well and now people can't do escapism and always project themselves onto characters so it's important to get it right. Jen recognized her weaknesses and actively worked at improving drawing black hair. 'It's something that is so like culturally significant and important to most black people' (problem statement they are all bitching about) and when drawing something you respect that's what naturally happens so she spent the last few years studying it and trying to improve. Cue the REEEEEEE i might add more later

Spoiler: REEEEEEEEEEE timeline

Seems like the timeline goes: interview ->How dare you have a candid answer for a candid question, how dare you talk about improving your artwork to more accurately represent people, why didn't you interrogate the interviewer about their super racism?
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You may have a point and i could have phrased my response better
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Yo, i said his point was fair and tried to contact him, can you stop calling me a bigot?
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(Read bottom tweets first) I apologise please stop hitting me, it's all my fault
View attachment 564182
I apologise for taking pride in my work and effort into drawing something accurately
View attachment 564183
Don't @ the other dude, because he is just going to have another fit
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I am extremely woke, more woke than you
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I concede your point, i09 made this a SoJus interview not me, i thought it was a good idea to emphasize hard work to draw something accurately. you could have approached me in private rather than ranting about it in public
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Look at this reply. IDK dude maybe because she came from fan-art (I'm guessing mostly anime) and wasn't very good at drawing black people, recognized her weakness put in a lot of effort to improve and is now proud that her drawings of 'black folks' are more accurate as a result. It's almost like you have to put practice and effort into something to become better at it, but I'm sure she's now very sorry that she wasn't born with the magic touch of drawing black folks real good with little effort
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How dare you block people! How dare you deem it bad faith because they are all calling you racist, we should all be attacking i09 for not being woke enough
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There are multiple accusations of the absolute crime of quote tweeting or sliding into Dms
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Nah you didn't want to show the world how woke you are and get those goodboy arse pats at all
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Sidebar: who hasn't seen articles about how whitey cant wear afro, corn-rows, dreads or get weaves, etc because that's black peoples hair or that shampoo is racist because particular brand doesn't cater to darky in their main line? it almost seems culturally significant or something. There was a 00s sitcom (Scrubs?) where a joke was; just compliment the black woman's hair and walk away.

God both their wording is so passive aggressive faux intellectual. Can't they just discuss things normally like actual fucking people? And this guy seems like a salty jealous fuck. Jen is a SJW but at least she's got some amount of talent even if it is "bland hot girl looking into the camera same face' talent.

I would hope this experience makes Jen take stock of her SJW 'friends' who all turn on her the minute she says something problematic but it sounds like she's doubling down and apologising for...drawing black hair well?These people are petty much piranhas waiting to pick apart your corpse. Who the fuck wants to walk around on eggshells with these people? Whoever chooses these assholes is a moron.

 

[One Man Bland]

Chris Kindred the most vocal complainer doesn't draw hair in his twitter avatar. Hmmm, I wonder why?
I mean he obviously cares about black hair, it seems culturally important to him
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Spoiler: How to draw hair by Chris Kindred

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Look at his glorious shit-locks
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Chris-Kin: You shouldn’t praise yourself for putting in hours to practice drawing black hair! You should’ve just been good at drawing black people in the first place!

Also Chris-Kin: Draws hair as a bunch of half-assed scribbles & colors/shades like ass

I see where his real problem with Jen lies.

 

[The Doktor]

Basic economics sums up the problem very well. The only good comics are those that return emotional investment with interest (i.e. emotional payoffs, emotionally satisfactory conclusions, emotional highs and lows) and thus series which reliably make a decent return get a lot of people investing in them, and because limited and self contained series have a definitive beginning and end there is far less chance for the writer to fuck up and lose all that investment.

However with ongoing series, this investment will inevitably be just straight up wiped out when the story and characters are made to radically change beyond recognition by exec/editorial order or the personal whim/autism of a new writer/writing team. When this happens repeatedly, investors all start pulling out and treat the property like its radioactive and will instead put their investment in more reliable properties.

This is inevitable even if the entire writing team and every member of the company is nothing but nice and kind and tolerant and accepting of both readers as a whole and critical fans in particular. When the writers and company goons straight up declare everyone who withdraws investment a depraved rape-nazi manbaby and creates comics of them as caricatured subhuman neckbeard bigot scumbags well....withdrawing that investment becomes a whole lot easier.

Claremont-era X-Men would beg to differ. That shit could have gone on basically forever. It DID go on for 17 years & kept getting stronger. The only thing you need to do is keep at least 1 member of the creative team for continuity sake. Someone that “gets” the status quo in order to work towards shifting it.

 

[One Man Bland]

Claremont-era X-Men would beg to differ. That shit could have gone on basically forever. It DID go on for 17 years & kept getting stronger. The only thing you need to do is keep at least 1 member of the creative team for continuity sake. Someone that “gets” the status quo in order to work towards shifting it.

Either that or you really gotta make sure that all the replacements understand the continuity or status quo that came before it and aren’t trying to hop on something to insert all their cringey fanboy retardation lest you end up with situations like Deadpool where Wade being his real name kept getting retconned pretty much every other writer.

 

[Water-T]

White artist: "I'm not good at drawing black people's hair"

SJWs: "Fuck you, racist honky!"

White artist: "OK, i've been practicing at it, so now I can draw black character's hair more realistically!"

SJWs: "Why are you fetishizing us, you racist honky?"

 

[AnOminous]

White artist: "I'm not good at drawing black people's hair"

SJWs: "Fuck you, racist honky!"

White artist: "OK, i've been practicing at it, so now I can draw black character's hair more realistically!"

SJWs: "Why are you fetishizing us, you racist honky?"

"Okay, fuck it, I'm done. I didn't go to art school to learn to draw a bunch of nappy headed hos anyway."