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The Perlmutter explanation is too simplistic. Where the fuck has he been for the last 4-5 years? It's tough to rationalize why he would all of a sudden care about anti-Trump content now. I don't think he's "trying to get fired" either. Who knows what's going on in his head, but he's always wanted power and control on a corporate level. I don't think he wants to get fired, if that would even be possible. He doesn't want "was fired" on his resume or in his biography.

Maybe he's trying to justify getting other people fired? If they keep rebelling against normal demands to not call the president "Hitler" all the time.

But that would presuppose that the recent "terrible chilling anti-free speech" measures are even his decision. I think maybe the decision is coming from higher up than Ike, or is coming from some trustee or corporate board in general.

Or these handful of decisions could just be isolated coincidences. Normal editors wouldn't want contemporary acrimonious political stuff in anniversary issues or in history books for the general public. It could just be a coincidence. Every now and then even Marvel editors do act like normal professionals.

It's just hard for me to imagine that IF Ike cared about this kind of stuff, then why would he let his house be totally infested by radical activist leftists in the first place? It's just hard for me to imagine that at age 70 or whatever he was a clueless innocent baby who thought Sana Amanat was just a "nice sweet person", that Tom Brevoort was a rational person, that Ta-Nahesi Coates was benign, etc. But now all of a sudden at age 76 he suddenly wakes up and wants to clamp down on leftist content in Marvel publications, after hiring all those shitbags.

I just don't fucking get it at all, but "blame Ike" is too easy. Just the fact that SJW minions are blaming him makes me think that there's something bigger at play and the leftists are using Ike as a scapegoat because the alternative would be to realize that perhaps a wider corporate environment is just turning against them finally, at least for now, on the surface? I could be totally wrong.



Eh, Coates' first Black Panther series had already been out by then and, like it or not (I don't like it), the initial collections sold very, very, very well (by Marvel standards) through book channel markets.

I don't know what it is with Marvel, and there is definitely room for improvement, but somehow it seems like no matter what they do there are precious few crossovers from moviegoers to comic readers.

Guardians of the Galaxy completely cratered in sales during the years when the GOTG movies were flying high. The characters were more prominent than ever, but the comics sold worse than they did under Abnett and Lanning a decade ago.

Then again, GOTG had a reboot a year before the movie came out, just like Black Panther had a new #1 a year before the movie. And those new reboot #1s sold like 200,000-350,000 copies. Of course it was all hype and padded numbers, but Marvel COULD get those kinds of orders (if not exactly "sales") a year PRIOR to hit movies. But once the movies actually come out, once the properties are established as mainstream pop culture juggernauts? No one wants the comics. Some of that has to do with the fairly lackluster content of the contemporary comics, but not everything is down to that.

You say Coates' second Black Panter series was better than his first? Okay, but the second series starts in space ffs. Hard to see how "Black Panther in space" is better synergy... And for what it's worth the Bendis GOTG comics at least had pretty great art for the most part. They cratered in sales, and the Duggan run was better in terms of writing but sold even worse. It's like there's just no way for the comics to win at this point. The whole system is broken.
This is why I find it hard to believe Perlmutter just suddenly found his balls and/or just now realized things in comicsland are going badly. The explanation that he is literally out of the loop and has been bypassed makes more sense, or that he's somehow back in power by some behind the scenes machinations with his own enemies.

Ultimately we're like Kremlinologists trying to make up scenarios to explain vague out of context shit that publicly happens in terms of internal politics we don't really know.

Where has Ike been? Doing what Ike does best. Which isn’t comic books. Ike hates comic books. Ike runs Marvel Entertainment. Marvel Comics doesn’t even show up as a line item in Marvel Entertainments books. They are at best a small petty cash fund. Ike is a Toymaker. He deals in Merchandising. And right now Marvel Merchandising is king of the hill. They are the shining bright spot that has saved Hasbro from the bloodbath of Star Wars toys. $2 billion last year just from action figures alone. Ike doesn’t care what the comic idiots do so long as they follow orders to keep the IP in rotation, (word is legal has a computer program that tells them when they have to use any given character in a story to keep them locked down properly.) Just so long as the comic creatives are as cheap as humanly possible, or better yet free. The only time Ike has ever cared about the comics is when using them as leverage in a Merchandising spat with Tom Rothman and Fox. He would certainly never read any.

He likes Brevoort and Quesada etc because they keep things cheap. Sana Amanat I remain curious about. Supposedly she is a political hire from a powerful family. I’m just not sure who Ike is seeking to appease with that one? I can’t see a practicing and prominent Jew seeking to appease CAIR?
 
Brian Wood's just gotten #meetooed. (Again). You can play bingo with this shit and the stories that are presented. Vulnerable woman. Naive. Looking up to her senior peer. Gets asked out. Doesn't realise. Gets moved on (badly, TBH). He harasses her and she instead of going to the police, shuts up until years later vomits on twitter.

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I'm not disagreeing that Woods isn't a cheating prick, but the woman has a peotic soul to her, TBH.

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Laura Hudson has been loudly claiming to have been sexually assaulted at every con she's gone to for the last 10+ years.
 
Laura Hudson has been loudly claiming to have been sexually assaulted at every con she's gone to for the last 10+ years.

You know, if I got sexually assaulted every time I went some place I might consider spending my time in more productive ways.
 
He likes Brevoort and Quesada etc because they keep things cheap. Sana Amanat I remain curious about. Supposedly she is a political hire from a powerful family. I’m just not sure who Ike is seeking to appease with that one? I can’t see a practicing and prominent Jew seeking to appease CAIR?
Sana Amanat is a cousin of Huma Abedin and so is politically protected in addition to being a woman, PoC, and Muslim.
 
Where has Ike been? Doing what Ike does best. Which isn’t comic books. Ike hates comic books. Ike runs Marvel Entertainment. Marvel Comics doesn’t even show up as a line item in Marvel Entertainments books. They are at best a small petty cash fund. Ike is a Toymaker. He deals in Merchandising. And right now Marvel Merchandising is king of the hill. They are the shining bright spot that has saved Hasbro from the bloodbath of Star Wars toys. $2 billion last year just from action figures alone. Ike doesn’t care what the comic idiots do so long as they follow orders to keep the IP in rotation, (word is legal has a computer program that tells them when they have to use any given character in a story to keep them locked down properly.) Just so long as the comic creatives are as cheap as humanly possible, or better yet free. The only time Ike has ever cared about the comics is when using them as leverage in a Merchandising spat with Tom Rothman and Fox. He would certainly never read any.

He likes Brevoort and Quesada etc because they keep things cheap. Sana Amanat I remain curious about. Supposedly she is a political hire from a powerful family. I’m just not sure who Ike is seeking to appease with that one? I can’t see a practicing and prominent Jew seeking to appease CAIR?
That makes me wonder even more why he's "stepping in" now. If he doesn't care about the comics then why does he give a shit if they're woke or not?
 
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And my fave response. Like, I will use it everytime from now on.

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Is she simply pissed, because it's not about catering to her expectations? Simple as, I guess.

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LOL. These bitches are upset that a man pushed over the edge by society turns into a murderous psycho, yet these same mad hoes' pussies drip buckets over his ex-girlfriend who was an underachieving dilettante with daddy issues that became a remorseless killer because she was bored and craved Joker dick. :story: :story: :story:
 
Because how dare a movie try something new.

Hell, I'd actually like more movies that are like this; I can see some pretty neat takes for Penguin, Bane, and Two Face for example where it's focused on them and Batman's not in it.
 
Because how dare a movie try something new.

Hell, I'd actually like more movies that are like this; I can see some pretty neat takes for Penguin, Bane, and Two Face for example where it's focused on them and Batman's not in it.

Problem is finding ways to make them work without ripping off Joker and his "poor me" origin.

Two-Face could work if you do a direct sequel to the Dark Knight Rise; Harvey was never really dead and was just misdiagnosed as dead as happens in comics sometimes.

Harvey goes into hiding and you have the mafia trying to kill him because the nation has martyred Harvey and using him to pass full-fascists anti-crime laws and want to capture him to expose him as being alive and stop said laws.

Penguin could work two ways:

1. Comedy Crime caper using the gentleman thief Silver Age version

2. Mob boss who uses scorch earth revenge tactics on anyone who wronged him or even looked at him funny, that destroys not only his victim's life but the lives of everyone in the victim's family and social circle.

Ironically, I always thought the ideal Joker film would be akin to Badnews Bears:

Film opens with Joker being arrested, but he's not worried because the chief judge in Gotham is a worthless bleeding heart judge who truly believes that Joker isn't to blame for his murder sprees and that Batman basically drove Joker insane when he "let him fall into that vat of acid" while he was running around as the Red Hood. But the Judge has been removed from the bench (either died or outed as a pedophile or something karmatic) and the new judge is a hanging judge who sends Joker to actual jail and not the insane asylym.

Once there, Joker befriends a bunch of young rookie villains taken from various corners of the DC Comics that he manipulates into staging jail break but once they get out, aliens invade Gotham as part of a larger invasion that the JLA are dealing with and Joker and his league of scrubs have to defend Gotham from being wiped off the face of the Earth.

Joker saves the city and goes back to jail, where he attacks the hanging Judge who has come to reveal that he's been offered a pardon for his crimes for saving the city. Having nearly killed the Judge, Joker ends up regaining his insanity cred and goes straight back to Arkham where he wants to go.
 
@MirrorNoir ...they sort of already did that at least in Batman the Animated Series for pretty much both those characters.

On another note, I just want to say Bruce Timm/Paul Dini Harley Quinn is best Harley Quinn. Even the comic book version of that BTAS Harley Quinn was crap. I really like to know where these people get off thinking she's a good enough character to write stories on. She isn't especially without the other Batman characters being present. Besides, they already have a "strong independent female character" in the Batman universe. Her name is Catwoman.
 
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@MirrorNoir ...they sort of already did that at least in Batman the Animated Series for pretty much both those characters.

On another note, I just want to say Bruce Timm/Paul Dini Harley Quinn is best Harley Quinn. Even the comic book version of that BTAS Harley Quinn was crap. I really like to know where these people get off thinking she's a good enough character to write stories on. She isn't especially without the other Batman characters being present. Besides, they already have a "strong independent female character" in the Batman universe. Her name is Catwoman.
Paul Dini is the only person who should be allowed to write Harley. Everyone else keeps trying to turn her into Deadpool.
 
LOL. These bitches are upset that a man pushed over the edge by society turns into a murderous psycho, yet these same mad hoes' pussies drip buckets over his ex-girlfriend who was an underachieving dilettante with daddy issues that became a remorseless killer because she was bored and craved Joker dick.
It's not just that. These are the women who talk loudly and relentlessly about the danger men pose to women, the threat of toxic masculinity, the potential threat of incels, and use Gamergate and alt-right to exclusively mean straight white men. But if any form of media chooses to depict that, then it's evil for doing so, no matter what the context, no matter whether it's critical of it.

These are the same women who looked at something like Game of Thrones, which depicts a heavily patriarchal world which could definitely be said to have rape culture in it - and then complained that it showed rapes occurring, and complained more when it had rapes occurring but didn't show them.

They describe the world as being a certain way, and then get very huffy and upset when any form of media depicts that world, even when that depiction agrees with them that it's a bad thing. This intense hypocrisy about the world gives me a headache.
 
LOL. These bitches are upset that a man pushed over the edge by society turns into a murderous psycho, yet these same mad hoes' pussies drip buckets over his ex-girlfriend who was an underachieving dilettante with daddy issues that became a remorseless killer because she was bored and craved Joker dick. :story: :story: :story:

That's why you retcon her into being a sassy lesbian and Poison Ivy's BFF. "Silly-billy," in YBZ-lingo. The next step will be to make her fat a big beautiful woman courageously setting aside patriarchal expectations. Problem solved.

These are the same women who looked at something like Game of Thrones, which depicts a heavily patriarchal world which could definitely be said to have rape culture in it - and then complained that it showed rapes occurring, and complained more when it had rapes occurring but didn't show them.

Imagine if a chick had gotten the Theon Greyjoy treatment. At least in the books, I've never seen the show, but I think he suffered a similar fate there.
 
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Imagine if a chick had gotten the Theon Greyjoy treatment. At least in the books, I've never seen the show, but I think he suffered a similar fate there.
From what I understand, he does. And while there were complaints, none of them were about there being sexual violence onscreen. To them, it's simply understood that it doesn't matter if it happens to a man.

I was going to add they don't mind it happening to a villain, but I don't think that's true either. Cersei may be horrible in many ways, but don't you dare have a male character call her a gendered slur, from bitch to cunt, because that's crossing the line. And somewhat related, I still remember early SJWs getting angry at The Avengers because Loki calls Black Widow 'quim', and even though it's a villain doing it and the scene shows she's had the upper hand the entire time, they were offended that it was written in the script that a bad guy used an archaic bad word, and how dare Joss Whedon.

It's like Women in Refrigerators. It's a trope that has at least a little basis in fact - it isn't great if female characters only really exist to be brutalised to then give the men in their life motivation, and there was a bit of a trend for that to be the case. But of course now if anything bad happens to any woman in comics then it gets called 'oh, they're fridging her', to the point of rendering the concept meaningless through applying it to every single thing. And if a woman suffers any form of violence that she doesn't triumph from, that's problematic and a sign of the oppressive patriarchy, even if in the same breath they're talking about the dangers men present to women and how women are so easily physically and emotionally intimidated by men that even talking to them politely is harassment if they say so.

It reminds me of when Chelsea Cain retconned a key incident in Mockingbird's back-story, so that what was once her allowing her rapist to die rather than save his life became her callously letting him die because otherwise her affair with him would be revealed. Because it was better she be a murderer than have ever been a victim, even though having her survived rape and gotten some justice for it would, you'd imagine, be a better story for women who've experienced sexual violence than for them to learn no, she was just cheating on her husband and then let the guy die rather than be exposed.

It's another part of what's so annoying about their arguments, beyond their hypocrisy - it's that they're also inevitably not particularly talented, so whatever message they are trying to get across ends up hurting their cause, rather than helping it. I've seen it said numerous times that some of the most annoying, forced characters in comics, like Kamala Khan, Ironheart, Captain Marvel, America Chavez, Gay Iceman, Harley Quinn and so on, can be and often have been written in a way that makes them work. It's just the people they get to do it instead are hacks who make them insufferable and then attack people as being bigots if they don't get received well.

There's a way to tie that all back in with the ending of Game of Thrones on TV and what they did to certain characters there, and how angry people got and how the loudest complaints were about the women characters but rarely the men - but it's a bit tenuous and this is too long already.
 
LOL. The upcoming Joker film got the top prize at the prestigious Venice Film Festival, and Kotaku's sister site Io9 is trying SO HARD to play the "if you see it, you're a bad person by association" game. They mention that a film directed by Roman "I raped a minor and got away with it" Polanski got second place, as if to imply that just watching Joker means you're ok with raping children. I was expecting io9 to play the "so what - who'd want that award anyway?" routine, but since the top prize was previously awarded to Brokeback Mountain and Roma, they can't dismiss the honor without shitting on two movies that get their girldicks and soyginas hard.

Too bad for "Gawker: Geek Edition" that most of the comments aren't having it. :story:

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That's why you retcon her into being a sassy lesbian and Poison Ivy's BFF. "Silly-billy," in YBZ-lingo. The next step will be to make her fat a big beautiful woman courageously setting aside patriarchal expectations. Problem solved.



Imagine if a chick had gotten the Theon Greyjoy treatment. At least in the books, I've never seen the show, but I think he suffered a similar fate there.

One chick actually gets even WORSE than Theon in the novel.

In the Game of Thrones book series, Sansa never leaves the Vale after Littlefinger takes her there after Joffrey's murder as of the last book published. Instead, Littlefinger has a childhood friend of Sansa's (Jeyne Poole, who outside of a brief cameo in season one was adapted out of the TV show) pretend to be Arya Stark and sends her to the Boltons to wed Ramsey Bolton, for the purpose of solidifying the Bolton claim over the North after the Red Wedding and their being given control over the North as a reward for the massacre.

Like in the tv show, Ramsey does bad shit to his bride. But the TV show never shows it outside Ramsey tacity demanding anal sex from Sansa and ripping off her wedding grown prior to doing so/making Theon watch him having anal sex with Sansa and leaves the actual scenes of sexual violence/abuse entirely to viewers imaginations save for vague comments about Ramsey doing the old "beating his wife belt the neck so that the bruises can be covered up by clothing" routine. But the books are way way way more specific about the ways in which Ramsey abuses Jeyne, which includes forcing her to have sex with animals and forcing Theon to sexually abuse Jeyne to get Ramsey aroused for when he joins in, as a perverted idea of foreplay.

The TV show avoided all of that but even then, got unspeakable heat for having Ramsey force himself onto Sansa and the fact that they shot the entire wedding night scene the same way a soap opera would film a rape scene, in terms of toning down the violence to not offend and disturb people did not matter the least. Because they made Sansa look weak and as a victim. Worse, when they used it as a plot device afterwords towards the experience making Sansa stronger in terms of having survived said abuse, they threw an even BIGGER shit fit because how fucking dare Sansa have character development that was tied to her suffering in any fashion.
 
LOL. The upcoming Joker film got the top prize at the prestigious Venice Film Festival, and Kotaku's sister site Io9 is trying SO HARD to play the "if you see it, you're a bad person by association" game. They mention that a film directed by Roman "I raped a minor and got away with it" Polanski got second place, as if to imply that just watching Joker means you're ok with raping children. I was expecting io9 to play the "so what - who'd want that award anyway?" routine, but since the top prize was previously awarded to Brokeback Mountain and Roma, they can't dismiss the honor without shitting on two movies that get their girldicks and soyginas hard.

Too bad for "Gawker: Geek Edition" that most of the comments aren't having it. :story:

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Using that logic of theirs, I shouldn't see any film with Harrison Ford, Martin Scorsese, Meryl Streep, Jack Nicholson, Nicolas Cage and a plethora of other Hollywood royalty after most of them leaped to their feet with wild applause after Polanski won an Oscar in 2003.
Everyone was OK with him raping a child until they saw which way the wind was blowing.
 
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