#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Absurdity]

Good god that stream was cancer. The viewer count topped at 330-something.

Vestige2 is now at $19,910 with 244 backers.

So that entire stream raised $1,803 from 16 backers. However, $1,000 of that was from four of the limited premium item sales. According to the tier sales before/after only 13 more Vestige2 books were sold.

The role-payers are the new customers. They're not really buying comics. They're buying an identity.

 

[cow-wannabe]

The role-payers are the new customers. They're not really buying comics. They're buying an identity.

I've been thinking about this and I don't think the WC numbers are that bad. There around 25% of their pre-scism numbers, but those people are total loyalists who are prepared to sperg out the long-game against @FROG in a war of attrition.

Right now, the only thing holding them back from dropping all their Dox-Bombs is Ro still being in love with @FROG and holding onto some hope things can go back to the way they were. I imagine there are some back-channel messages going on between the two, with EVS soft-talking him on the sly, claiming they have to hide their love away, so as to keep WC from going ballistic.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Whats your theory on who our mystery anonymous group is? Warcampaign? Sketch Therapy? Another faceless shadow movement that exists within CG?

The only real question is whether this was an official op of Warcampaign leadership or someone outside the "core command" pursuing their own agenda but possessing a solid idea of WC's internal structure. Both are plausible. I have a few pieces of evidence that have led me to this conclusion:

At 2:19 in the video uploaded on to @VIkkiVerse 's channel, Praetorian mentions Sketch Therapy as the favored scapegoat and pariah for Warcampaign operations because they can "get him to do things" while plausibly denying culpability as "Sketch is not a member of Warcampaign". Praetorian doesn't spell it out but there's the unstated lack of stability on Sketch's part making any outlandish conspiracies on his part be dismissed as the claims of an unwell man. To indicate how effective this tactic was, to quote Frog, "Sketch is a conspiracy theorist". Now, Liam is also "adjacent" to Warcampaign while independent, also open to conspiracy theories and thus also ideal as someone who can be used and discarded while maintaining plausible deniability.

All this starts a couple weeks before the first episode of Live with Liam when Sketch Therapy broke the WC conditioning and escaped the containment zone he was placed in because, in Panboy's words, that he's "become a bit of a starfucker", which could and should be read as possessing loyalties to people like Frog and Malin instead of Warcampaign in the pre-existing cold war between the JACK show and WC. Sketch did not understand why a group nominally in Comicsgate would treat loyalty to people like Jon Malin as grounds for suspicion, but any alarms Sketch Therapy raised to the outside world dismissed because they're coming from the pariah that is Sketch. However, Sketch's wildly stochastic behavior did eliminate him as a usable asset by Warcampaign, at least according to the Praetorian theory. #freesketch

According to Liam, it was immediately after the Jon Malin/Rob Cacey incident that he was contacted by the mysterious anonymous hacker. There are two plausible explanations for this: one, the person was out of the loop regarding Sketch and the situation regarding Jon Malin and only became aware of it on Liam's show, implying that the hacker was not on the inside track as the leaders logically would have activated their backup asset, Liam, as soon as Sketch removed himself from the board. However, the alternate explanation is that WC ringleaders could not have reasonably anticipated Jon Malin's meltdown on Liam's show and were activating Liam to launder their kompromat on unnamed targets presumably in a similar way that Sketch was.

While both are prone to conspiratorial thinking in a way that makes them vulnerable, Liam is hardly interchangeable with Sketch Therapy. The blunt methods of giving Liam a hammer and directing him towards an enemy did not work; Liam and his lofty goals to end the nebulous "conflict" even he was able to perceive while isolated and redeem Comicsgate would not be helped by airing out personal information, the "CG nuclear codes" if you will, and he sat on it.

But the most telling bit of circumstantial evidence though is when the demands and attempts to shut down Liam and his show coincide with the rapid disintegration of Warcampaign's influence within Comicsgate generally and Liam specifically due to intervention by Frog. The first attempt at logging into Liam's account that he mentioned on-air was on Comicsgate Core #4, the episode immediately following the Frog/Panboy implosion and official declaration of Ro and Pan no longer being CG and Liam's declaration that he was stepping away from the drama and refusing to launder material after all. Considering how well this all worked for the manipulator's faction and unable to take it out on any of the other parties, it's not hard to imagine.

For any members of Warcampaign reading this, I'd be extremely careful about clicking links or accepting files on your discord if I were you. And this warning is doubled if you're merely visiting the place now that it's open.

 

[CapeKnight]

Since the @TheLaughingMan is thread banned I thought I'd speak on his behalf here in the main thread. It has come to my attention after some digging and asking around that it appears he is being blamed for the dox of Man of S3x and possibly Gat Hanzo that occurred here several days ago.

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https://twitter.com/m6rg9n/status/1268319259077246979

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Clearly I'm preaching to the choir here and most user's already know this, but I and several other Kiwi's were responsible for the recent dox on Warcampaign.

The first instance of Gat Hanzo, aka David W Brooks, being doxed was by @Analog Devolved as seen here:

Which I later followed up with and expanded upon here:

@Analog Devolved and myself previously collaborated on the dox of Sheila Allen and we both decided that ending our relationship prematurely would be a waste of both our talents. After Warcampaign blue-balled the Farms on #BLACKDRAGON we both decided Warcampaign was next (and long overdue.)

Later our findings were fact checked, expanded upon and compiled by the following users @SuiSui1 ,@Absurdity and @SaidNoOneEver who I thanked in a follow up post here:

I also gave them credit in the initial post here:

Notice that @TheLaughingMan was not thanked nor credited in either post, because he was not involved.

Less than 24 hours later I doxed Mathias Denichi, aka Man of S3x, here:

Again I reiterate @TheLaughingMan was not involved in any way shape or form with either dox. In fact if you check Laughing Man's post history he has been absent from the Farms for over a week now.
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Its clear from his quoted post at the beginning of this thread he desires a break or extended leave of absence from the Farms, which is his right, although he will be missed in the TUG thread.

So in conclusion:

To Man of S3x @TheLaughingMan didn't dox you, I did and I'd do it again you cross-dressing, degenerate faggot.
To Gat Hanzo @TheLaughingMan didn't dox you, I and several others did and I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say we'd do it again you worthless, warcampaign, wigger weeb.
To TUG stay butthurt and let @TheLaughingMan live rent free in your head, you stupid inbred hillbilly.

And to my fellow Kiwi's, sorry for this autistic long winded post, I probably didn't have to make. However I couldn't allow an innocent Kiwi, @TheLaughingMan to take the blame for something I and others participated in, especially since TUG and his wife Lola already have Laughing Man's dox, as he was a former IGG backer and they've used it against him previously.

Besides credit where credit is due.

Smug Freiza, public enemy #1. I think you share that title right now with @SuiSui1 @Analog Devolved @Absurdity @SaidNoOneEver when it comes to your contributions to the doxes.

As for Public enemy #1 in regards to writing insightful analysis as well as stoking the flames in the chats outside the Farms, as well as successfully memeing over anyone in CG/WC, that goes to @Mister Dongs

And as for Public enemy #1 in regards to being called out by JDA (mostly) or other people in this shithsow, I suppose I'm gonna have to update the list that I posted either in this thread of TUG's thread, but @jspit joined our ranks.

Also,

You can't quit us, Jon. Now, come back in here if @TheCosmicWarrior is your account, get verified, and stop throwing soda cans from outside the ring, faggot. You called @FROG a Gamma, but you're an Omega.

In other news, in the Liamstream, I caught EVS going back and forth with some folks. Some of his comments seem to suggest his level of self-awareness has gone out the window (well, it's been out for long awhile now, but it's getting critical).



Also, remember this?

But you think I'd throw Zack under the bus for Mark Waid? I don't even LIKE Mark Waid, and I like Ro and Pan.

You don't like Mark Waid, you must not like yourself, Ethan Van Waid. I'm sure at this point, you've walked into a landmine of throwing out contradictory comments. "Things have never been better!" is a line no one will buy from you again, and no other lines you say over the internet or in person will ever let anyone take you seriously either. Just like how you're never going to make that animated movie, and your "Hollywood talks" isn't going to amount to anything either.

Also, interesting to note that Ethan asked Liam if he had a contract with Ody, his artist. Of course, that's Ethan's slimy way to try and poach the young kid. Liam doesn't do himself any favors either since Ody has sided with Ethan's points in the chat against Liam before.



Now, for the WC members out there, I have a present for you:



I don't believe you guys are done with just this, Ethan's celebrating prematurely. I'm sure you got the message already, but do what needs to be done to this faggot.

Now, for the rest of the show, Liam was showcasing some weirdass Australian cartoon called "Condomman", which is supposed to be about sex-education on STIs, which prompted Liam to promote his book as being a good book for sex-education as well. So, at this point, Liam has marketed his book as a "Harry Potter of ComicsGate, First Manga of ComicsGate, a book for Children, and a sex-education book". Explains the hentai tentacles in a nice bow now.

Apparently, the Condomman cartoon triggered one of his mods, Jabba the Coach (formerly known as Jabba the Cuck) to say this:



Liam was also teasing his audience with trying to get Preston's ex AND Leroy for an interview. The joke's dead to everyone who's on the outside, but this is Liam's way of trying to distract from the drama, but it didn't last very long and Liam went back to the Condomman shtick, which angered Jabba:



Personally, I got very bored of the Condomman thing very fast, so I muted the stream at some point to just find some clippings after that, but that's all I had that were interesting, and I fell asleep right after. @Mister Dongs I'm sure you were there to witness it go down till the end, what else happened after Liam got to Episode 5 of the Condomman?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

10 more pages until we break the 1000 page tier. for this perk we will unlock a first (of many) vamperilla variant kiwi cover with Preston being pegged by vamperilla, cyberfrog fighting war campaign, a small blue hair dog eating kiwi fruits with mister dongs laughing at the chaos.

Expected release 2022, will it come? Most likely not.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

What do you think the odds are that SGM would be stupid enough to climb aboard that sinking ship SSCG?

A few months ago I might have said there was an outside shot.

But now that CG is essentially the Cult O' Ethan? There's nothing but downside as far as I can see for somebody who is already a big name in the industry. Its not like EVS promoting his book would suddenly push it to seven figures.

I guess I could sort of see him being cordial with EVS in a way anyone deep inside the Big 2 hive-mind will not or probably cannot be, but that would be about it.

 

[CapeKnight]

A few months ago I might have said there was an outside shot.

But now that CG is essentially the Cult O' Ethan? There's nothing but downside as far as I can see for somebody who is already a big name in the industry. Its not like EVS promoting his book would suddenly push it to seven figures.

I guess I could sort of see him being cordial with EVS in a way anyone deep inside the Big 2 hive-mind will not or probably cannot be, but that would be about it.

I don't know about that, Ethan spent a significant portion of a stream he did just shittallking SGM, probably out of jealousy and mocking his video that he did about being uncertain about jumping into crowdfunding. YellowFlash was the one who jumped at every chance to say the more extreme shit against SGM than Ethan, but he was egging it on. The funny thing is, in that stream, Ethan was saying how SJWs get to you is that they need to radicalize you into their cult via virtue signaling and psychological/mental attacks, which is exactly what Ethan goes onto do to SGM

Even the chat were noticing Ethan's jealousy and how Ethan was making fun of SGM's body shape.




Can't remember if this was from the same stream, but still applies (I messed up sorting them out properly in order of dates in my folder):



Also, @NasserRabadi13 here's a little something I found in my clippings folder for you, straight from one of Liamstreams:

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I don't know about that, Ethan spent a significant portion of a stream he did just shittallking SGM, probably out of jealousy and mocking his video that he did about being uncertain about jumping into crowdfunding. YellowFlash was the one who jumped at every chance to say the more extreme shit against SGM than Ethan, but he was egging it on. The funny thing is, in that stream, Ethan was saying how SJWs get to you is that they need to radicalize you into their cult via virtue signaling and psychological/mental attacks, which is exactly what Ethan goes onto do to SGM

Even the chat were noticing Ethan's jealousy and how Ethan was making fun of SGM's body shape.

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Can't remember if this was from the same stream, but still applies (I messed up sorting them out properly in order of dates in my folder):

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Also, @NasserRabadi13 here's a little something I found in my clippings folder for you, straight from one of Liamstreams:

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Excellent points. I stand corrected. I guess I kind of figured post-WC @FROG would get back to, y'know, creating funny books. Naive of me, I know. JFC @FROG just lives for drama, doesn't he?

So, is this a passive-aggressive mating dance he's doing with SGM, or has Ser @FROG leveled up after defeating the WC mini-boss and he'll now go after a big foe? Time will tell, I guess.

 

[KingofNothing]

Excellent points. I stand corrected. I guess I kind of figured post-WC @FROG would get back to, y'know, creating funny books. Naive of me, I know. JFC @FROG just lives for drama, doesn't he?

So, is this a passive-aggressive mating dance he's doing with SGM, or has Ser @FROG leveled up after defeating the WC mini-boss and he'll now go after a big foe? Time will tell, I guess.

What does he even have to be jealous of. Is it because SGM is skinny and not balding. Frogman, you're getting close to a million bucks on one book and somehow managed to successfully separate yourself from the sperg tornado that is WC without them dragging you down with them. Be happy, draw your damn frogs and do some push-ups or something

 

[VIkkiVerse]

All this starts a couple weeks before the first episode of Live with Liam when Sketch Therapy broke the WC conditioning and escaped the containment zone he was placed in because, in Panboy's words, that he's "become a bit of a starfucker", which could and should be read as possessing loyalties to people like Frog and Malin instead of Warcampaign in the pre-existing cold war between the JACK show and WC. Sketch did not understand why a group nominally in Comicsgate would treat loyalty to people like Jon Malin as grounds for suspicion, but any alarms Sketch Therapy raised to the outside world dismissed because they're coming from the pariah that is Sketch. However, Sketch's wildly stochastic behavior did eliminate him as a usable asset by Warcampaign, at least according to the Praetorian theory. #freesketch

It wasn't Malin's or Cecil's treatment at the hands of War Campaign that interfered with Sketch's loyalty. It was Sketch's heart. The star that Sketch wants to be fucking is Ana, That Star Wars Girl.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I don't know about that, Ethan spent a significant portion of a stream he did just shittallking SGM, probably out of jealousy and mocking his video that he did about being uncertain about jumping into crowdfunding. YellowFlash was the one who jumped at every chance to say the more extreme shit against SGM than Ethan, but he was egging it on. The funny thing is, in that stream, Ethan was saying how SJWs get to you is that they need to radicalize you into their cult via virtue signaling and psychological/mental attacks, which is exactly what Ethan goes onto do to SGM

Even the chat were noticing Ethan's jealousy and how Ethan was making fun of SGM's body shape.

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Can't remember if this was from the same stream, but still applies (I messed up sorting them out properly in order of dates in my folder):

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Also, @NasserRabadi13 here's a little something I found in my clippings folder for you, straight from one of Liamstreams:

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Did he actually answer it?

 

[CapeKnight]

Did he actually answer it?

Not entirely recalling correctly, but I remember not hearing shit about it. If my memory can be trusted (sometimes it shouldn't, I forgot I made dinner a few minutes ago and was about to go make it again), then Liam didn't even bother. You have a better chance asking for clarification from @Mister Dongs , he's Liam's personal handler here.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Nope.

It wasn't Malin's or Cecil's treatment at the hands of War Campaign that interfered with Sketch's loyalty. It was Sketch's heart. The star that Sketch wants to be fucking is Ana, That Star Wars Girl.

I wish I could comicsgate on the level that Sketch does. But such things are not for mere mortals.

 

[TheSoutherStar]

It wasn't Malin's or Cecil's treatment at the hands of War Campaign that interfered with Sketch's loyalty. It was Sketch's heart. The star that Sketch wants to be fucking is Ana, That Star Wars Girl.

by the way vikki did you finally learn how the "after x" artist credit work?



i was meaning to ask your for a few days now but you disappeared!

 

[VIkkiVerse]

by the way vikki did you finally learn how the "after x" artist credit work?

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i was meaning to ask your for a few days now but you disappeared!

Gilmore did a nice tracing job. All the major lines are dead on, the darkling heads are on the exact same line, the action lines of the cape are dead on, the heavy lines and curves of the leg, a stylistic choice by Silvestre, are nearly identical.

Any other questions?

 

[Yosha]

I don't see a point why EVS is even mentioning SGM. I read Murphy's Batman stuff and it was pretty good. I wouldn't say its phenomenal, but it's better than Bloodhoney. Making 1M $ doesn't mean your book will be good. I also don't rememer waiting for SGM to produce a chapter of a comic book for amost 2 years. My advice would be, stop talking about others and get to work.

 

[CapeKnight]

Gilmore did a nice tracing job. All the major lines are dead on, the darkling heads are on the exact same line, the action lines of the cape are dead on, the heavy lines and curves of the leg, a stylistic choice by Silvestre, are nearly identical.

Any other questions?
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I understand artists using references from other images or paying an homage to a certain work, but damn, that's just completely shameless.

I don't see a point why EVS is even mentioning SGM. I read Murphy's Batman stuff and it was pretty good. I wouldn't say its phenomenal, but it's better than Bloodhoney. Making 1M $ doesn't mean your book will be good. I also don't rememer waiting for SGM to produce a chapter of a comic book for amost 2 years. My advice would be, stop talking about others and get to work.

It's because SGM's name has been coming out Zack's mouth for a while now, and the way Zack talks about him is nothing but praise (except for the spergout at the Curse of the White Knight ending). Ethan's trying to do the hazing game, and double speak. His comments are "anyone can be ComicsGate!" yet, in his actions against SGM, it's clear he's doing a purity testing himself. Obviously, only people Ethan approves of can be ComicsGate, in his eyes.

 

[TheSoutherStar]

Gilmore did a nice tracing job. All the major lines are dead on, the darkling heads are on the exact same line, the action lines of the cape are dead on, the heavy lines and curves of the leg, a stylistic choice by Silvestre, are nearly identical.

Any other questions?
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I'm just checking because your next tweet, you either didn't know how credits worked, or you're blind.


babs tarr is on the twitter radar due to the BLM riots, she did some After Adam Hughes art, maybe you can snake into her mentions also:


Point is, credited swiping has always been part and parcel in the comic book industry.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I'm just checking because your next tweet, you either didn't know how credits worked, or you're blind.
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babs tarr is on the twitter radar due to the BLM riots, she did some After Adam Hughes art, maybe you can snake into her mentions also:
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Point is, credited swiping has always been part and parcel in the comic book industry.

Now do Anna's cover!

 

[CapeKnight]

I'm just checking because your next tweet, you either didn't know how credits worked, or you're blind.
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babs tarr is on the twitter radar due to the BLM riots, she did some After Adam Hughes art, maybe you can snake into her mentions also:
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Point is, credited swiping has always been part and parcel in the comic book industry.

Tracing to pay an homage is a stretch too far, at least in my books. Doesn't matter the industry, it's pretty egregious when it happens. "Paying an homage" nowadays sounds like an afterthought excuse.