#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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I wonder if someone has pointed out Chris is shitting on the only non-white Superman actor and how he'd respond?

I think he falls into the same category as guys like Dick Masterson and Jon Del Arroz in that, because they’re not speaking in a cartoony accent or wearing their culture on their sleeve (and, of course, they have the wrong politics) they’re “white-enough” to be targeted.

Anyway, not all of Chris’ comments are in lockstep agreement with him, and I’m sure he’s too much of a pussy to respond (not that he engages with his fans much outside of fan art anyway)

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He also made an additional, very SJW-like, statement about “garbage comments”
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I dug just a wee bit further down his timeline and found, probably the most damning thing I’ve seen of him, that he retweeted Renfamous. For someone who has barely spoken about ComicsGate, he sure seems to be privy to what’s happening with it. I’m sure as he gets more radicalized, we’ll eventually get a brief one-sided video about how Richard Meyer is a white supremacist and Mark Waid dindu nuffin.

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I may have asked you this before Nasser but perhaps you could remind me. How much does it roughly cost to produce a crowdfunded comic book? For example the pencils, inks, coloring, lettering, printing, distribution and fulfillment? Maybe stretch goals like trading cards, prints and bookmarks included?

Would $2000 be enough, or put a sizable dent in the final bill?

First DarkGrift and now Alazmat films, looking cool as fuck out there @Mister Dongs 😎

Seems like your in high demand from Liam, Ethan and Mecha McCheese. Everybody wants some Dong in their life. Pun intended.

The chad Dean Cain vs the incel Tom King. I wonder if someone has pointed out Chris is shitting on the only non-white Superman actor and how he'd respond? I think Mike S Miller is including Dean Cain in his latest comic, the MAGAnificent Seven, a Tim Limesque pro-Trump parody book.
Well if we're talking black and white comics (reducing the production and print costs significantly) $2,000 would get you around 26 pages if you're spending roughly $75 a page, which is a solid amount of pages, and Stardust was around that length, but most guys want to do color comics and most guys want to do a series or a really long graphic novel. If someone with a 20 page comic won the $2,000 then that wouldn't be bad at all, but they'd have to be doing a one shot black and white book to make it work, and I don't see many of those happening these days.

Cards, bookmarks, etc. vary in price, but on the Trixie campaign we spent $500 on various amounts of cards. We had 4 different designs and I overprinted (some a lot, some not so much), so you could definitely get a couple thousand cards for $500, depending on a few different things like the cut, the gloss, etc.

Postage seems to go up every day so that's hard to judge; Gemini mailers are $550ish for 1,000 of them. Most people probably don't need that many, but I always suggest it, since you'll save money in the long run.

Bags and boards and tape are typically just out of my own pocket.

Formatting varies; I've seen people charge anywhere from $150-600. I've paid on the high end of that for comics, but for my novels typically it's cheaper because there's not as much to do, and it mostly ends up being resizing the Word doc and changing a few things.

Biggest thing overlooked is fees. You'll be paying 8% plus $0.30 per backer to indiegogo and stripe, as well as igg holding 5% for 6 months (which they just started last yr).

Printing really depends, and on Trixie we spent over $4,600 on 300 Stardust 2nd prints and 1,050 Trixie 1st prints.

TL;DR $2,000 would be good just to get the art paid for on a super small black and white comic, but I doubt most people will be entering one, and would want to pitch their full color ongoing 96 page superhero epic.
 
Okay @Mister Dongs give us the skinny on this Roadwarrior Drake bullshit. This completely flew under the radar for me, this guy is asking $20 for a digital with no page count that I can see.
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Then there's a physical edition, manga edition and a Spanish edition all for $25.
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:story:My fucking sides! :story:
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With art so bad it makes Wart the Wizard look like a masterpiece.
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Wtf is going on here? Is this a Comicsgate book, is it an elaborate troll? I'm genuinely fascinated by this all of a sudden. What the fuck is happening here? What is this shit? I'm fucking dying! :lol:
 
Then there's a physical edition, manga edition and a Spanish edition all for $25.

I take big issue with the flippant usage of the word manga, particularly with Western creators. Your exotification of other cultures is showing here, CG Creators.

Manga, once put into a collected volume, is simply referred to as "comics" in Japan. They even Romanized the word comics in their language. Manga itself has the same premise behind it, it literally translates to "facetious images".

Stop calling it manga, you faggots, you aren't Japanese and even worse, you don't speak the language. I'm looking at you too Liam Gray. Your book is NOT a "manga".

And what exactly does he mean by "manga"? If it's a collected volume, call it that, if it's a TPB, call it that. Fucking inept retards, I swear.

There's no reason to not simply call it comics. Except for the obvious attempts at checking all the boxes to score points with what's hip today as a marketing strategy, which is a poor one, cause you ain't fooling anyone who knows their shit.
 
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I take big issue with the flippant usage of the word manga, particularly with Western creators. Your exotification of other cultures is showing here, CG Creators.

Manga, once put into a collected volume, is simply referred to as "comics" in Japan. They even Romanized the word comics in their language. Manga itself has the same premise behind it, it literally translates to "facetious images".

Stop calling it manga, you faggots, you aren't Japanese and even worse, you don't speak the language. I'm looking at you too Liam Gray. Your book is NOT a "manga".

And what exactly does he mean by "manga"? If it's a collected volume, call it that, if it's a TPB, call it that. Fucking inept retards, I swear.

There's no reason to not simply call it comics. Except for the obvious attempts at checking all the boxes to score points with what's hip today as a marketing strategy, which is a poor one, cause you ain't fooling anyone who knows their shit.

From what I've seen, in their deluded minds, it's manga because the size is Japanese B6 instead of the size of a regular US comic.

Yeah, dumb as fuck.
 
Fucking inept retards, I swear.
Those are pretty harsh words for someone who's clearly an innovative, enterprising Comicsgate genius seeking to access the untapped markets of Venezuela and Cuba...
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I mean Venezuelans have a lot of spare cash lying around, they're literally just throwing it into the streets at this point.
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I found a previous failed campaign.
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With more pages.
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This is incredible! It's a troll right? Unless this guy is just some failed creator who came across Comicsgate and realized he could get this trash funded by praising a hashtag.

Either way my sides are in fucking orbit! This is the greatest thing I've seen all week! :story:
 
What CG needs to do now is get their grope-ables front and center. Lure some of that big-name talent out of the mainstream with a promise of no-consequence molestation.

I mean CG already has the infrastructure to silence 'un-approved' complaints. Man, I can hear the pitch now...

"Snuck your hand down her dress? Just say Cyberfrog's best
Unwanted fingers up her twat....make sure to superchat."
 
I was really kinda blown away when I heard Kenneth Rocafort is possibly doing his own thing and moving away from the mainstream. So, could we possibly see him and Lobdell work together again? RHatO was one of the few good series over the past ten years, imo. I'd love to see them do something fun like that again.
 
I haven’t seen it’s mentioned here, but Tom King made an ass of himself throwing a shitfit over Lois & Clark actor Dean Cain saying “I wouldn’t be allowed to say ‘Truth, Justice, and the American way today” (fun fact, they wouldn’t have Superman say the phrase in full in both Superman Returns and Smallville). He even went so far as to use his military service as a cudgel to prove himself more morally correct (always a good look). I’ve seen King do some beta cuck shit before but this is probably the most egregious thing I’ve seen him do.

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Anyway, I primarily bring this up because the primary target of my usual autism, Chris of Comic Tropes, naturally sided with Tom King in the form of an outdated normie meme.

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Imagine this faggot congratulating Snyderverse and CW supermanlet for honoring superman. This faggot! Oh look, lot of white men in that photo. Why is he singling out the only asian? Is he saying the spirit of superman is white!

Just watched zak's vid on this, and I've lost any respect for King that I might have had (even how minute it may have been). The dude should just stay in his lane and write shit books no one cares about. Failing at dunking on C-list actors like that was pretty bad.

Speaking off, I'll just add this using his time in the CIA to dunk is gross.

Tom King, his mother is jewish and worked in films and he was raised in Southern California.

He graduated from Columbia with a philosophy degree. He has used his service countless times to promote his work so it isn't surprising he would fall back on it in an argument against Dean Cain.

Did he got to Iraq? Sure as a CIA guy.

We only have his word on what he did. You can take his word that he 'flipped terrorists'. But he's sketchy on the details.

Regardless of what he was actually doing, being in the military, which he wasn't he was in the CIA, does not validate you or make you tough. Unless your a Marine. Then yeah, your tough and crazy.
 
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Imagine this faggot congratulating Snyderverse and CW supermanlet for honoring superman. This faggot! Oh look, lot of white men in that photo. Why is he singling out the only asian? Is he saying the spirit of superman is white!



Speaking off, I'll just add this using his time in the CIA to dunk is gross.

Tom King, his mother is jewish and worked in films and he was raised in Southern California.

He graduated from Columbia with a philosophy degree. He has used his service countless times to promote his work so it isn't surprising he would fall back on it in an argument against Dean Cain.

Did he got to Iraq? Sure as a CIA guy.

We only have his word on what he did. You can take his word that he 'flipped terrorists'. But he's sketchy on the details.

Regardless of what he was actually doing, being in the military, which he wasn't he was in the CIA, does not validate you or make you tough. Unless your a Marine. Then yeah, your tough and crazy.

To top it off is how flustered he looked when Cain checked him. I don't think King was expecting him to respond and the way he did either. Made King look like a total douche and put on the spot. Like, everyone just stopped and said 'look at this asshole'.

DC should just dump him and Snyder.
 
Guess it's not really CG anymore, but Miller launched The MAGAnificent7 today. Not my type of book, but I don't have any huge grievances with Mike so I hope it does well. It does have cheaper tiers compared to the CG books with basic tiers being $10 for physical and $5 for digital. Pretty short book though, it's only 24 pages. The book is already drawn and colored though, so I will give Mike credit for that.

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And in keeping with the Dean Cain theme, guess who signing covers and is probably the main character
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He also got Kaitlin Bennett to sign copies because why not
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To top it off is how flustered he looked when Cain checked him. I don't think King was expecting him to respond and the way he did either. Made King look like a total douche and put on the spot. Like, everyone just stopped and said 'look at this asshole'.

DC should just dump him and Snyder.
I refuse to read anything written by Tom King. He is a woke male feminist SJW faggot who served in the CIA in the era of blacksites and torture.
That motherfucker tortured innocent people 100%.
He's a white male that has a fake as fuck personality. He makes Ethan look like the humble man of the people, beloved by women and the envy of all men.
This is the same faggot who had a shitfit on twitter when some random account posted a meme killing him and said he was getting death threats but his admission to being a glownigger puts him on every REAL terrorist hit list in the world. What a fucking pussy.
 
Guess it's not really CG anymore, but Miller launched The MAGAnificent7 today. Not my type of book, but I don't have any huge grievances with Mike so I hope it does well. It does have cheaper tiers compared to the CG books with basic tiers being $10 for physical and $5 for digital. Pretty short book though, it's only 24 pages. The book is already drawn and colored though, so I will give Mike credit for that.

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And in keeping with the Dean Cain theme, guess who signing covers and is probably the main character
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He also got Kaitlin Bennett to sign copies because why not
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It's just a bit too short for me to want to back, since even 5 bucks for a digital is a bit too much. If it was like 36 or a 48 special, I'd probably buy it though.
 
Your reference to Dunbar's number is relevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number Ethan's tribe is arguably much bigger than 250 but the number of people he regularly interacts with from his tribe (the real sycophants and hangers on and co-creators) would not surprise me if it was in that neighborhood. Perhaps Ethan has been ejecting undesirables as his network approaches Dunbar's # out of instinct.
The tribe is bigger but it's managed through parasocial relationships through youtube. Watching Comicsgate hit Dunbar's Number (I forgot the term for it, thank you) again and again, I think it's been demonstrated there's no 'instinct' or even individual agency aspect to it at all. As the number of people within a loyalty network grows linearly, the number of interrelationships within that group increases exponentially; the Dunbar number is the limit before these sort of networks succumb to entropy and chaos that are resolved with schisms. At least that's how it is in Comicsgate.

There's no reasonable way that Frog (or anyone) can be expected to mediate tens of thousands of individual personal relationships between Comicsgaters. A good example of entropic decay within a loyalty network would be two chieftains intensely disliking each other until an ideological conflict between those two factions is discovered, say "Is it okay for people to promote this shitty Vampirella cover that is not CG?" is used as a rallying cry around that principle.
 
Guess it's not really CG anymore, but Miller launched The MAGAnificent7 today. Not my type of book, but I don't have any huge grievances with Mike so I hope it does well. It does have cheaper tiers compared to the CG books with basic tiers being $10 for physical and $5 for digital. Pretty short book though, it's only 24 pages. The book is already drawn and colored though, so I will give Mike credit for that.

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He also got Kaitlin Bennett to sign copies because why not
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This campaign is trash. It's all "SJWs HATE ME SO BUY MY BOOK". I don't think Mike cares about the story at all, and when he has only ONE line about the story on the campaign, I have no reason to believe it'll be good at all. 50 paragraphs about "Those darn SJWs" and one sentence about "The story is..."

Also yes, I told Mike this to his face. He got defensive and almost cried.
 
As the number of people within a loyalty network grows linearly, the number of interrelationships within that group increases exponentially; the Dunbar number is the limit before these sort of networks succumb to entropy and chaos that are resolved with schisms.

The Dunbar number is a function of simple human mental capacity for interpersonal relationships. The belief is that the average human is capable of maintaining social relationships with a maximum of about 250 people. The approximate max size of prehistoric hunter/gatherer tribes. When the number in a tribe exceeds the Dunbar number people in the group share tribal identity without necessary social cohesion to facilitate trust. The instinct is to mistrust that which is not known. When the D# is exceeded that's no longer possible and unity is threatened.

Tribal identity is enough to sustain unity even in the face of ideological strife so long as interpersonal relationships are manageable. Interpersonal relationships will begin to become unmanageable when the tribe becomes to large and unity within the group begins to break down. This is why communes work but large scale communism fails (one of many reasons). In group trust has a natural membership cap.

Tribes only began to expand and remain stable with new tech developments like the discovery of agriculture and formal rule sets for behavior (laws). At this point in a communities growth and going forward ideology rudimentary or otherwise becomes a unifying element in the community.

CG had these unifying elements well before there was a community at all. "Let's not turn Spider-Man into a chick to advance a woke agenda" was one. Creators treating fans/potential customers like they weren't Hitler was another. People naturally gathered on line around those principles and Dunbar's number was exceeded almost immediately. But that didn't matter because the majority of the people identifying as CG weren't interacting. The number who were was small and the relationships were manageable among active members. Problems started when carpet baggers began to join and when numbers of interactive community members exploded. (StarWars videos)

Half the people coming in didn't give a fuck about comics. They came for the StarWars content or the cult of personality. Some came for the bloodsports and everything else was window dressing.

Still, the relationships could have been handled if there was a unifying factor everyone agreed on. Unfortunately there were two and they came into conflict. One unifier was Ethan's cult of personality which has been a sight to behold. The other which proved less potent was the principles of fair treatment and so on. Personality won out and because Dunbar's number was well exceeded there was no chance of unity even with the common enemy of Renfamous.

After the split/s the number was still exceeded and former tribe mates who were vocal became the enemy somewhat replacing Renfamous.

Then the superfan/ secret police became the enemy. When WarCampaign split off they returned to the principles if only as talking points and Ethan loyalists accused them of sounding like ex-CG. Of course they did sound like ex-CG. Without the incestuous connection to their Caesar there was no reason to deny his hypocrisy anymore. In fact, quite the opposite.

It will fracture again. Tribes find unity around ideas way easier than around people when larger numbers are in play.

The group is destined to atomize further and further. I would speculate that the addition of the new overly talented outsiders will be the eventual catalyst for the next split. Less talented loyalists will get less attention and the Johnny-come-latelies will be blamed by the jealous. IGG numbers will reflect the promotion and talent level but loyalists who've been there for years will feel slighted and jealous focusing on the lack of promotion for them.

Should be fun to watch.

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TL;DR - Dunbar's number applies to the interactive membership of CG only. They are well beyond the number. Ethan's cult of personality is not sufficient to maintain a community populated by more than Dunbar's #. CG will continue to splinter again and again because there is no unifying idea behind the group anymore (even though lip service is paid to ideas).

It will continue to be an infighting shit show no matter how many people are ejected for betraying Caesar.

Should be fun to watch.

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Vikki wants pick Mr dongs 🧠 👀

Some serious irony there....

Frog makes videos bitching about figure monetizing a group of people upset at that figure. Preston makes video bitching about Frog monetizing a group of people upset about Frog.

It would help if Preston and DA weren't so thirsty here. Shit, Vikki, the old dog lady, is the least thirsty one on stream. Think about that. Oh, Happy Fourth Kiwis and the CG cows.
 
Some serious irony there....

Frog makes videos bitching about figure monetizing a group of people upset at that figure. Preston makes video bitching about Frog monetizing a group of people upset about Frog.

It would help if Preston and DA weren't so thirsty here. Shit, Vikki, the old dog lady, is the least thirsty one on stream. Think about that. Oh, Happy Fourth Kiwis and the CG cows.

Preston is dropping hints here. I can guess what about but I have no idea if he's bullshitting or not.
 
This campaign is trash. It's all "SJWs HATE ME SO BUY MY BOOK". I don't think Mike cares about the story at all, and when he has only ONE line about the story on the campaign, I have no reason to believe it'll be good at all. 50 paragraphs about "Those darn SJWs" and one sentence about "The story is..."

Also yes, I told Mike this to his face. He got defensive and almost cried.
I watched the stream and before Mike segued into young earth creationism it mostly looked to be a lot of injokes referring to various Fox News pundits. I don't really see the appeal for those who don't listen to Fox News punditry religiously.
Also, it may be forgiven, given that Mike has 14 tiers on his crowdfund, that his project is funded mostly by two, possibly even just one person.

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