#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
This campaign is trash. It's all "SJWs HATE ME SO BUY MY BOOK". I don't think Mike cares about the story at all, and when he has only ONE line about the story on the campaign, I have no reason to believe it'll be good at all. 50 paragraphs about "Those darn SJWs" and one sentence about "The story is..."

Also yes, I told Mike this to his face. He got defensive and almost cried.
Way to turn on your friend, you ding dong. Your section of the independent comic scene is small enough as it is, now nobody will fuck with you. Well maybe Del Arroz or Preston will... but we already know how well their campaigns do.
 
I watched the stream and before Mike segued into young earth creationism it mostly looked to be a lot of injokes referring to various Fox News pundits. I don't really see the appeal for those who don't listen to Fox News punditry religiously.
Also, it may be forgiven, given that Mike has 14 tiers on his crowdfund, that his project is funded mostly by two, possibly even just one person.

View attachment 1428552
One dude bought 2 covers.
Way to turn on your friend, you ding dong. Your section of the independent comic scene is small enough as it is, now nobody will fuck with you. Well maybe Del Arroz or Preston will... but we already know how well their campaigns do.
I didn't turn on anyone. As someone who has bought all his books, I'm allowed to tell him when something is bad. He's told me every book I've ever done is bad and he's never bought them.

This may come as a shock but I don't have "corner" of indie anything. I'll probably never make another comic again (I'd like to finish the Trixie story with a book 2, which is written and 3 pages are done, but I don't have the money to finish paying for art).
 
One dude bought 2 covers.

I didn't turn on anyone. As someone who has bought all his books, I'm allowed to tell him when something is bad. He's told me every book I've ever done is bad and he's never bought them.

This may come as a shock but I don't have "corner" of indie anything. I'll probably never make another comic again (I'd like to finish the Trixie story with a book 2, which is written and 3 pages are done, but I don't have the money to finish paying for art).

You already did that on his chat though. Why come here and do the same thing? That sounds like sour grapes to me. Though I can understand your feelings on him not supporting you back.
 
You already did that on his chat though. Why come here and do the same thing? That sounds like sour grapes to me. Though I can understand your feelings on him not supporting you back.
Because someone had brought up the campaign here and I figured if they'd get pissy for me discussing it on his channel, I could at least discuss it here. This seems like a place where we can actually have a discussion.

I'm not mad he didn't support me; I just really bring it up to say that if he could constantly trash me while not buying my books, I could at least give him feedback having actually bought his books.

Look back at all the times Mike and others trashed my books; nobody cared. I open my mouth to give real criticism and I'm the bad guy. NOBODY ever said Mike or the others were trying to sabotage my campaign, but now suddenly everyone on Mike's twitter is saying "NASSER IS SABOTAGING THE CAMPAIGN". Since Mike posted that I lost a $5 patreon backer (almost half my patreon income) and about 6 followers. He actually damaged me financially whereas I never once costed him anything.

My campaigns have been made fun of on day 1 by EVS, Cecil, Mike, and many others--just look back at the streams when I launched Trixie, they all dunked on it and not even in a constructive way. My feedback was constructive and helpful and someone that's bad.
 
Because someone had brought up the campaign here and I figured if they'd get pissy for me discussing it on his channel, I could at least discuss it here. This seems like a place where we can actually have a discussion.

I'm not mad he didn't support me; I just really bring it up to say that if he could constantly trash me while not buying my books, I could at least give him feedback having actually bought his books.

Look back at all the times Mike and others trashed my books; nobody cared. I open my mouth to give real criticism and I'm the bad guy. NOBODY ever said Mike or the others were trying to sabotage my campaign, but now suddenly everyone on Mike's twitter is saying "NASSER IS SABOTAGING THE CAMPAIGN". Since Mike posted that I lost a $5 patreon backer (almost half my patreon income) and about 6 followers. He actually damaged me financially whereas I never once costed him anything.

My campaigns have been made fun of on day 1 by EVS, Cecil, Mike, and many others--just look back at the streams when I launched Trixie, they all dunked on it and not even in a constructive way. My feedback was constructive and helpful and someone that's bad.

Mike, Nasser and every other ex-CG creator should cut it with the petty shit. You're all only hurting yourselves and your own future prospects.

The pool of available customers that left CG and didn't walk away completely is small enough. Why alienate more by starting the same drama that led you fools to leave CG in the first place.

A smart man would support his fellow traveler in hopes of building something but if he can't see himself supporting "that guy" he'd at least not try to start an unnecessary and embarrassing slap fight.

If you ever want to raise enough cash to fund Trixie 2 know that what you're doing is the opposite of the way to accomplish that goal. I like you Nasser but being emotional, spiteful and petty to your allies in public (or private for that matter) is a good way to find yourself completely alone and without any network to sell to.

You've got a point about Mike not supporting you. You aren't the "bad guy" but you certainly aren't the good guy either. Sadly, you haven't the foresight to see that your vengeful kicks at him while he's down probably hurt your stock more than they hurt his. Try thinking about the future. You should be playing chess or at least checkers and you're playing "Slaps".
Slaps.gif
 
Last edited:
Think I asked this a few weeks ago, but what's the word on Mica's Englewood? He said it should have came out last month which is still months later than promised.
 
Think I asked this a few weeks ago, but what's the word on Mica's Englewood? He said it should have came out last month which is still months later than promised.

Latest update from 11 days ago sounds like pure comedy:

by Alex Baldwin

Jun 24, 2020 • 12:00PM

11 days ago

THIS IS NOT THE FINAL UPDATE, EITHER

Alright y'all, let's talk about things. Hatman here, by the way.
I'm in the middle of fulfilling orders for ENGLEWOOD. The first round of physical copies have gone out. If the tracking info is correct, some of you already have your books and stickers.
That said, we've run into more snags. In the interest of transparency, I'll detail everything for you.
If you want the tl;dr version: Shipping is slowed because stamps.com has been unreliable, Director's Cut should come in this week, shirts are being printed this weekend, don't have an ETA on posters yet because our printer needs repair.
DIGITAL COPIES
They're all sent out. The link I included was on a timer, to try and prevent piracy. If you didn't get to the link in time, please email me (alex@hatman.net) with your name and backer number, and I'll send your copy.
SHIPPING
So, stamps.com is garbage.
I went to print your shipping labels the night of 6/17, but ran into an issue with my bank card being declined, so I had to get them printed the following morning, when I could call my bank (it's local, so they don't have 24-hour services) and get the card back up. Then I bought all the labels for the US-bound standard edition comics (around 152 packages). While processing all of those labels, stamps.com timed me out on the site. No big deal, right? Well, apparently they don't have a system that lets you reprint your labels except on the same screen where they were purchased. Since that screen had to be reloaded, being timed out and all, the labels couldn't be reprinted. A phone call later told me that the only option was to process a refund, and reorder the labels. Refunds process in about 2-3 weeks, according to them.
So I tried printing the labels again. And I made an effort to not get timed out on the site. But the site still hit some snag while processing, and couldn't make it past 151 labels, and got held up for about four hours. A few of the labels printed (about 15), but nothing else went out beyond those. Same deal as before—process refunds, try it again.
As of now, I'm waiting on about $1,000 in refunds to come in. There's no real ETA. USPS has to verify that the tracking numbers haven't been used and aren't about to be used, before they can send the money back. Some of you received emails with tracking numbers included, but those aren't legit. The only real tracking number you'll get is the one sent through your backer info on Indiegogo. I'm not sure if the refund will go back into the stamps.com account (you have to fund the account on its own; you can't just buy postage directly) or my bank card, so until that processes, what I'm doing now is paying for the labels through my personal account, so there's (hopefully) no delay on shipping when the Director's Cut comics arrive. I'm buying these labels individually, as well, to avoid any issues with processing too much stuff at once. As a result, shipping is going to be a bit slower.
Needless to say, I am very angry about this, and we won't be using stamps.com in the future.
THE DIRECTOR'S CUT
It was sent to production on 6/19, after a few days of back-and-forth trying to figure out how to get the wraparound cover correct. It should be in sometime this week, if estimates are correct. As of the time of writing, I don't have a shipped notification or a tracking number. We'll post about it on Twitter once the books arrive.
THE SHIRTS
They didn't get printed when I said they would because when COVID-19 hit, we were forced to shut down, and couldn't run any orders, or perform our regular maintenance on the printers. One started leaking ink during the shutdown, and will almost certainly be a total loss (right now, it's up to $8,000 in parts and labor to repair, for an $18,000 printer). But we have another printer, which we had shut down several months ago because it also had ink issues. However, it should be back up and running today, after our tech finishes fixing the print heads. The shirts will be finished over the weekend.
THE POSTERS
This one has been a headache all in itself.
We have two wide-format printers in our facility—a Mimaki JV150-130 and a Roland VersaCAMM SP-540V. The stickers were printed on the Roland, which has given us few issues in the years we've had it, and those came out great, as you've seen. We decided to use the Mimaki to print posters, since it's higher quality. And that's where our troubles began.
When we went to run test prints, the printheads on the Mimaki started having issues. Mostly dripping red ink, and I'm fairly certain you don't want a poster that looks like it came out of a crime scene. So we tinkered with it for a few days, but when we went to run test prints, the ink cartridges had expired (apparently, this is a thing). The Mimaki won't process ink from cartridges that are two months past expiration, so we figured we could just change the date on the printer and get around the problem. Turns out we'd have to disassemble the whole thing for that. So we got new ink. But because we didn't run our regular maintenance on it while COVID shut us down, there were deeper problems, which calls for professionals to come fix. They're supposed to fix it either this week or next, but nothing's confirmed.
Because of this, we tried a test print on the Roland, but the quality wasn't nearly good enough. So we're waiting on the Mimaki to be fixed before we can run on posters. Since those were going to be shipped separately anyway, anyone who backed a poster tier will receive another tracking number for those when they go out. Everything else will be shipped first.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/englewood-1/x/22972284#/updates/all
 
Mike, Nasser and every other ex-CG creator should cut it with the petty shit. You're all only hurting yourselves and your own future prospects.

The pool of available customers that left CG and didn't walk away completely is small enough. Why alienate more by starting the same drama that led you fools to leave CG in the first place.

A smart man would support his fellow traveler in hopes of building something but if he can't see himself supporting "that guy" he'd at least not try to start an unnecessary and embarrassing slap fight.

If you ever want to raise enough cash to fund Trixie 2 know that what you're doing is the opposite of the way to accomplish that goal. I like you Nasser but being emotional, spiteful and petty to your allies in public (or private for that matter) is a good way to find yourself completely alone and without any network to sell to.

You've got a point about Mike not supporting you. You aren't the "bad guy" but you certainly aren't the good guy either. Sadly, you haven't the foresight to see that your vengeful kicks at him while he's down probably hurt your stock more than they hurt his. Try thinking about the future. You should be playing chess or at least checkers and you're playing "Slaps".
I get you. I should've been more polite about it. Didnt think it would blow up though.
 
As much I wish for mike to succeed...but God damn why is the characters just generic characters from marvel, dc and jojo...the gun girl pinup? For fucks sake dude.

Nasser don't worry about trunksfromgt he's was or probably still is evs shill, a lovable shill who picked the worst version of trunks, but nonetheless very lenient on evscg.
 
what else would it be? I mean if you didn’t like his book, then you had months to tell him so while was he streaming videos of his progress creating it from beginning to end. Why wait until launch day to tell him his book was crap?
From what I've seen, Nasser wasn't criticizing Mike's book. He was commenting on Miller's victim narrative laden IGG campaign copy. And Nasser's right about that. It's all the same "fighting the evil SJW" and "they tried to cancel" me bullshit that EVSCG has been peddling for over 2 years now.
 
what else would it be? I mean if you didn’t like his book, then you had months to tell him so while was he streaming videos of his progress creating it from beginning to end. Why wait until launch day to tell him his book was crap?
I didnt know anything about his book outside of the title before going on stream.

Sabotage means I plotted to do something to his campaign, which is completely false, and why would I?

Plenty of people on all my campaigns told me live on air when my pitches suck. There was no outrage then. Why should this be any different?

I didnt intend for it to blow up like this, and already admitted in a previous post I couldve and shouldve been nicer about it.

I apologize for not having any tact. Sorry Mike.

Idk what anyone else wants from me at this point.
 
I didnt know anything about his book outside of the title before going on stream.

Sabotage means I plotted to do something to his campaign, which is completely false, and why would I?

Plenty of people on all my campaigns told me live on air when my pitches suck. There was no outrage then. Why should this be any different?

I didnt intend for it to blow up like this, and already admitted in a previous post I couldve and shouldve been nicer about it.

I apologize for not having any tact. Sorry Mike.

Idk what anyone else wants from me at this point.

No one wants anything, don't be thinned skinned on the internet. As for your statement, you are correct it looks cringe.

This isn't the @FROG hate board. Nasser owes Miller nothing. There is no group in this that isn't full of shit. Speak your mind and say what you think, otherwise your just as bad as @FROG people
 
From what I've seen, Nasser wasn't criticizing Mike's book. He was commenting on Miller's victim narrative laden IGG campaign copy. And Nasser's right about that. It's all the same "fighting the evil SJW" and "they tried to cancel" me bullshit that EVSCG has been peddling for over 2 years now.

ok, so let’s say you are in Mike’s position. You are recovering from an embarrassingly failed campaign and you have been horrendously late in fullfilling every campaign you’ve launched. You have been pretty much blacklisted in the CG communiy and Now you are trying to build good will with the audience that actually stuck with you through all of this along trying with trying to tap into a new audience to get more eyes on your books.

Now you have this guy who has been invited to speak on your channel multiple times and he is a regular on your chat talking shit like this to on your book on launch day to potential customers:

“This campaign is trash. It's all "SJWs HATE ME SO BUY MY BOOK". I don't think Mike cares about the story at all, and when he has only ONE line about the story on the campaign, I have no reason to believe it'll be good at all. 50 paragraphs about "Those darn SJWs" and one sentence about "The story is..."

Also yes, I told Mike this to his face. He got defensive and almost cried.”

How are you supposed to take that?
 
Miller's book is just super smash bros with comic book characters with Joseph joestar as a preorder bonus but lost the rights to those characters and decided to make generic characters that is almost a slam dunk copyright infringement case.
ok, so let’s say you are in Mike’s position. You are recovering from an embarrassingly failed campaign and you have been horrendously late in fullfilling every campaign you’ve launched. You have been pretty much blacklisted in the CG communiy and Now you are trying to build good will with the audience that actually stuck with you through all of this along trying with trying to tap into a new audience to get more eyes on your books.

Now you have this guy who has been invited to speak on your channel multiple times and he is a regular on your chat talking shit like this to on your book on launch day to potential customers:

“This campaign is trash. It's all "SJWs HATE ME SO BUY MY BOOK". I don't think Mike cares about the story at all, and when he has only ONE line about the story on the campaign, I have no reason to believe it'll be good at all. 50 paragraphs about "Those darn SJWs" and one sentence about "The story is..."

Also yes, I told Mike this to his face. He got defensive and almost cried.”

How are you supposed to take that?

Trunks, real friends don't let you make books that could get you sued for copyright. Nasser is just looking after him because the culture war is dead, antisjws lost because they kept hate supporting the sjw companies (the fandom meance and evscg being a prime example of being hate buying coomsumers. Mike should've waited on a trump book because who knows if he would win this year's election (the libtards are coming full force to have Joe "if you don't vote for me you ain't black" biden because of "VoTe BlU no MaTta WhO" sentiments. Political books are dated especially how on the nose it is in miller's book. Nasser criticisms isn't hurting anyone, Miller is at fault for bless this mess's failure, not nasser criticizing him. I wish mike well but there are 2 creators already profiting off politics (Tim who does it well and zack....whos making a quick buck out of pandemics and race riots.)
 
Lots of words. Parsing. Mike's in a rough spot. Yes. A spot he made worse by being a jackass to people.

Now you have this guy who has been invited to speak on your channel multiple times and he is a regular on your chat talking shit like this to on your book on launch day to potential customers:

So Nasser should lie? You don't get it. This is what he is. Just like Mike is an uptight born again and @FROG as a deceptive, egotistical tool. What you get with Nasser is honesty. Mike's project looks like shit.

“This campaign is trash. It's all "SJWs HATE ME SO BUY MY BOOK". I don't think Mike cares about the story at all, and when he has only ONE line about the story on the campaign, I have no reason to believe it'll be good at all. 50 paragraphs about "Those darn SJWs" and one sentence about "The story is..."

Is anything you've recounted incorrect? Is this not fair criticism? If you want that kind of shillery go to Comicartistpro secrets, they promoted Wart the Wizard and are defending Adam Post currently.
 
Millers book is just super smash bros with comic book characters with Joseph joestar as a preorder bonus but lost the rights to those characters and decided to make generic characters that is almost a slam dunk copyright infringement case.


Trunks, real friends don't let you make books that could get you sued for copyright. Nasser is just looking after him because the culture war is dead, antisjws lost because they kept hate supporting the sjw companies (the fandom meance and evscg being a prime example of being hate buying coomsumers. Mike should've waited on a trump book because who knows if he would win this year's election (the libtards are coming full force to have Joe "if you don't vote for me you ain't black" biden because of "VoTe BlU no MaTta WhO" sentiments. Political books are dated especially how on the nose it is in miller's book. Nasser criticisms isn't hurting anyone, Miller is at fault for bless this mess's failure, not nasser criticizing him.

except I wasn’t blaming Nasser for Bless this mess. Everyone knew Bless this Mess was a bad idea, but that’s another story. I kind of disagree with your opinion on Mike releasing Maga 7 because right now, anti left sentiment is at an all time high and there is simply no way Biden is not going to come out looking like a fool when the presidential debates roll around. The man can barely form a coherent sentence without being coached. Even the libtards can’t stand their own candidate. As for copyright, I think Mike should be all right because he parodying public figures and heroes they turn into even though they are Too similar to their Marvel and DC counterparts...One has to remember that DC and Marvel copy from each other all the time like that when it comes to derivative characters like that. DC has copied Hulk and Spiderman in the form of Damage and Black Spider and Marvel has copied Deathstroke and Superman in the form of Deadpool and Hyperion, Sentry and Gladiator(that’s three versions of Superman and I think Blue Marvel can also count as a Superman rip off). So while they look the same, they are just different enough to avoid copyright infringement.



Lots of words. Parsing. Mike's in a rough spot. Yes. A spot he made worse by being a jackass to people.



So Nasser should lie? You don't get it. This is what he is. Just like Mike is an uptight born again and @FROG as a deceptive, egotistical tool. What you get with Nasser is honesty. Mike's project looks like shit.



Is anything you've recounted incorrect? Is this not fair criticism? If you want that kind of shillery go to Comicartistpro secrets, they promoted Wart the Wizard and are defending Adam Post currently.

I know Mike’s project looks like shit, but what you are not getting is that he already let Mike know this in his livestream chat and then he came on here bashing Mike more.

Is that what friends or people you are on good terms with do? And no one has answered the question on why he waited until launch day to voice his opinion.

As for Adam Post, they did gave him shit for his wide margins for a few days when the book was released. Now they barely talk about his book aside from the shill here and there when Ethan is promoting CG campaigns. But they didn’t turn on him. That’s not what friends do.

People can now see that Post’s book is shit as if they didn’t learn their lesson from the first College of the Dead book and if they still want to buy from him in the future then that’s on them and those that did buy the book from him, well... 25 dollars ain’t gonna break nobody,
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom