#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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If this were so, why did Mike Miller thank Oz (Vikki & Mecha McCheese) for showing the additional "receipts" on his stream that vindicated his contention that additional people operated the CG Anon account?
You've seen The Fall of Rome. The receipts show that Gat was giving the orders. It is old news. Also, Ethan was aware that and upset by his troll club was harassing Bean and Sashi for the 2 days before he flipped back and conveniently forgot about anything WC did that could not be pinned on Praetorian. That's when he started the new narrative that WC has always been right and virtuous and that Bean and Sashi were villains, a ready made narrative Ro was happy to give him.

Mike thanked them because it was additional proof that backed up what had been disregarded and obfuscated after TFoR I expect. It was confirmation and vindication for what Mike had said all along.

The truth is that Ethan had so much cache` with his fanbase that they were willing to swallow Ethan's highly improbable and verifiably false narrative about WC not running gay ops and that only the scape goat who noped out (Praetorian) while gay ops were still being conducted was responsible.

If you rewatch TFoR stream and the ones after you'll get an interesting picture of what was really happening.
 
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Potentially good Frog livestream in progress:
Potentially, but I've already finished the article Frog is reading while his show slows to a crawl due to attention grabbing dead weight.

 
Potentially, but I've already finished the article Frog is reading while his show slows to a crawl.

These 10-person streams are unfuckingbearable. Add a drunk Cecil and unintelligible Wenger in the mix and Frog can't complete a full sentence without an interruption and totally unrelated tangent. It's really bad so far. This could've been a good topic without the hangers-on.
 
God dammit Jon, I can see you getting thread banned faster than Poulter did at this rate. Make sure to a-log @FROG here before the mods nuke you, I'd like to see a kiwi grudge match between the two of you for my own amusement.

Also if you're going to shill at least put some effort in and show off Sashi's beautiful art.
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So whats with the difference in price of the JDA complete collection?
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You knocked it down $25 for the newer campaign but removed the Ember War and added Cosmic Warrior 1&2 and Spectacular comics 2?
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Don't you feel that might piss off the 7 backers who backed the JDA complete collection on the original Rekt Planet campaign?

he should have hired Sashi to draw the whole comic. That is if she is inclined to draw anything more than pin ups.


I'm glad you decided to cover that video Dongs, I'm still mentally drained after my two post review of the now infamous Panboy vs @FROG Oz Arts stream. Great analysis too, I still haven't finished the stream I'm about six hours into it.

Congratulations on getting verified Jon. Try making your images smaller in future so they don't take up half my screen, also blatantly shilling your own material while "dear diary" threadposting is exactly what got your pal Preston Poulter thread banned.

Just some friendly advice.


It was called SWAY, we talked about it pretty recently. For some reason Liam blames @NasserRabadi13 for it's failure, which Nasser disputes. There was a response video by Jshiro Finney and Nasser's original stream which were posted in this thread about a month ago which proves Nasser's innocence in the project failing.
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I can't remember any other Comicsgate books failed to fund, I think Orgasm Girl and The Offworlder were two. I'm certain there were more but I just can't remember them now.

I asked Nasser a similar question a few days ago, I'll post his response below:

I thought Orgasm Girl did fund, but now that I look at it I see it didn’t. Sway looked pretty cool. I’d have backed it if I knew about the campaign.
 
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God dammit Jon, I can see you getting thread banned faster than Poulter did at this rate. Make sure to a-log @FROG here before the mods nuke you, I'd like to see a kiwi grudge match between the two of you for my own amusement.

Also if you're going to shill at least put some effort in and show off Sashi's beautiful art.
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So whats with the difference in price of the JDA complete collection?
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You knocked it down $25 for the newer campaign but removed the Ember War and added Cosmic Warrior 1&2 and Spectacular comics 2?
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Don't you feel that might piss off the 7 backers who backed the JDA complete collection on the original Rekt Planet campaign?


No because the Ember War is now out of print and that's a 120-page graphic novel so they got a great deal there. I have no more copies of it and it will not likely be printed again soon. The new deal is also great but those are just a couple of in-print floppies replacing the 120-pages so I dropped the price cuz I care more about people reading all the work than I do about extracting as much money as possible.
 
Noble Kiwi's lend me thine ears! Caeser doth stream, and lo the masses must suffer.


-Grahm Nolan appears early. He's bald.

-For some reason, @FROG decided Graham's coming out stream was a good place to have the definitely not annoying Wenger sucking up air.

-The theme is leaks from within the secret women's cancel culture cabal, is actually a thing. This should be huge...but Frog...

-Lot of wasted time on Nolan, Meyer, and Fraga campaign promo.

-then cyber frog shit. allot of cyber frog shit, Wenger singing, and finally after 20 minutes where with some Kay Letournaeu and Joss Whedon being mean to black people. Still waiting for actual fucking comics.

-Oh, Cecil. Wasted. Joy.

-Holy shit, 30 loooong wasted minutes and Dan Shahin shows up. Oh ho. Frog just flexed on Shahin. He brought up the Didio interview, he's salty, low key, about the Didio treatment. Then he introduced him to Graham Nolan, who Shahin has got to be a fan of. That's Frog. Low key evil.

-Frog needs to get a clue, Emannual Luppachino is hot as hell and Amanda Conner twenty years ago was fine.


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-Shane Davis pops in. Dan brings up one dirty tree and interviewing Noah Van Sciver. Shit. Be careful Dan, don't mess with a mans family. Az comes in, Dean Cain gets mentioned. We are approaching the one hour mark and still haven't discussed the topic.
 
Noble Kiwi's lend me thine ears! Caeser doth stream, and lo the masses must suffer.


-Grahm Nolan appears early. He's bald.

-For some reason, @FROG decided Graham's coming out stream was a good place to have the definitely not annoying Wenger sucking up air.

-The theme is leaks from within the secret women's cancel culture cabal, is actually a thing. This should be huge...but Frog...

-Lot of wasted time on Nolan, Meyer, and Fraga campaign promo.

-then cyber frog shit. allot of cyber frog shit, Wenger singing, and finally after 20 minutes where with some Kay Letournaeu and Joss Whedon being mean to black people. Still waiting for actual fucking comics.

-Oh, Cecil. Wasted. Joy.

-Holy shit, 30 loooong wasted minutes and Dan Shahin shows up. Oh ho. Frog just flexed on Shahin. He brought up the Didio interview, he's salty, low key, about the Didio treatment. Then he introduced him to Graham Nolan, who Shahin has got to be a fan of. That's Frog. Low key evil.

-Frog needs to get a clue, Emannual Luppachino is hot as hell and Amanda Conner twenty years ago was fine.


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-Shane Davis pops in. Dan brings up one dirty tree and interviewing Noah Van Sciver. Shit. Be careful Dan, don't mess with a mans family. Az comes in, Dean Cain gets mentioned. We are approaching the one hour mark and still haven't discussed the topic.
105 minutes in so far and not a single super-chat. Hopefully Frog takes that as a clue for next time. This is his worst stream yet and it could've gotten real attention. Graham Nolan said fuck it and noped out leaving not a single guest whose opinion about the stated subject is relevant or worth giving a shit about. I'm turning it off before my blood pressure red-lines. I'm surprised he didn't invite Sketch in.
 
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More suffering part 2

-Az fanboys out over Nolan. Finally, the article. Whoever is the editor needs to explain burying a lead. Oho, Graham throws shade at Antos by being an adult, pointing out that Antos is doing what's she's saying not to.

-Stephanie Cooke is next. More twitter. Either show proof or get out.

-Fraga pops in, Cecil slurs in his fugly New York accent, mocking Wenger's abomination of a drawl. Glass houses.

-Shahin nopes out. Don't blame him. Crushing pussy joke, more shilling shit IGG.

-Finally, an exhausting time later, we finally arrive at the secret group. Zoe Quinn, Ale Campi. Interesting.

-Ugh, another Fyz loser. More than an hour and a fucking half and it has been completely useless.

-Ooooo, Dennis Barger arrives. He's the retailer that Waid went after. It's his coming out stream. Seriously.

-They still haven't established that there is a whisper network. This is still a conspiracy theory.

-Dennis actually pointed out that these people's books didn't sell in his store. That's salient. Too bad its buried in weirdos.

-finally, getting into it at two hours in! not damning enough for a cancel network. Oh, Simeti and Malin.

Alright. two hours plus and I'm out. I might continue later. Takeaways.

1. Cecil is dead weight and so is Wenger. They aren't funny, they have nothing to contribute because they know little, and they are terrible foils.

2. Nolan is sharp and when he actually gets into it he's a well, if soft spoken adult. Shane Davis is boring and needs to quickly justify why he's waited two years to jump ship. He should embrace that and talk about working with these people.

3. Dennis is angry and fun.

4. The whisper network is a gossip group is a bunch of nobodies led by troon mean girls.

A horrible waste of a great topic. Decide what a show is supposed to be Frog. If you want weirdos, cut out Davis, Nolan, Cecil, who isn't weird enough. Learn from Oz's blood sports. If you want an interesting conversation by professionals, drop Cecil and Wenger and the weirdos and stick with professionals and shop owners.
 
More suffering part 2

-Az fanboys out over Nolan. Finally, the article. Whoever is the editor needs to explain burying a lead. Oho, Graham throws shade at Antos by being an adult, pointing out that Antos is doing what's she's saying not to.

-Stephanie Cooke is next. More twitter. Either show proof or get out.

-Fraga pops in, Cecil slurs in his fugly New York accent, mocking Wenger's abomination of a drawl. Glass houses.

-Shahin nopes out. Don't blame him. Crushing pussy joke, more shilling shit IGG.

-Finally, an exhausting time later, we finally arrive at the secret group. Zoe Quinn, Ale Campi. Interesting.

-Ugh, another Fyz loser. More than an hour and a fucking half and it has been completely useless.

-Ooooo, Dennis Barger arrives. He's the retailer that Waid went after. It's his coming out stream. Seriously.

-They still haven't established that there is a whisper network. This is still a conspiracy theory.

-Dennis actually pointed out that these people's books didn't sell in his store. That's salient. Too bad its buried in weirdos.

-finally, getting into it at two hours in! not damning enough for a cancel network. Oh, Simeti and Malin.

Alright. two hours plus and I'm out. I might continue later. Takeaways.

1. Cecil is dead weight and so is Wenger. They aren't funny, they have nothing to contribute because they know little, and they are terrible foils.

2. Nolan is sharp and when he actually gets into it he's a well, if soft spoken adult. Shane Davis is boring and needs to quickly justify why he's waited two years to jump ship. He should embrace that and talk about working with these people.

3. Dennis is angry and fun.

4. The whisper network is a gossip group is a bunch of nobodies led by troon mean girls.

A horrible waste of a great topic. Decide what a show is supposed to be Frog. If you want weirdos, cut out Davis, Nolan, Cecil, who isn't weird enough. Learn from Oz's blood sports. If you want an interesting conversation by professionals, drop Cecil and Wenger and the weirdos and stick with professionals and shop owners.

he can drop Wenger, but dropping Cecil would be a mistake when his audience constantly asks for Cecil to be on when he is not there.
 
he can drop Wenger, but dropping Cecil would be a mistake when his audience constantly asks for Cecil to be on when he is not there.
Cecil is tolerable when the whole group gets tipsy over the course of a 6-hour stream but when he shows up at the beginning already shitfaced at 6pm while everyone else is sober it's really uncomfortable. Frog doesn't give a shit about him though, only the money he might make off the spectacle.
 
I mean if I was at Maggs' level I would be happy to get a somewhat secure possession too. That's not wired at all. Many people feel accomplished when they get officially hired. Ethan is so deep in his Culchah Whore he reached the point when he looks less human than Mags.

Looking back at his and Zack's fascination with Mags it only makes sense if they realize that they're roughly on the same F-tear as Mags in writing and they assume that Mags stole their jobs thanks to politics. But they fail to understand that without politics there wouldn't be a place for an F-tear writer and they wouldn't get a writing job ether. Mags and the rest are only getting job for publicity, the job they get is a small story in an anthology, D-list limited series or if they're lucky a spin-off ongoing for a z-list side character that gets canceled 11 issue in. If there wouldn't be publicity there wouldn't be a book and a contract to begin with. There is nothing to be jealous of because it's not a real job and you wouldn't have a chance ether way.
 
I mean if I was at Maggs' level I would be happy to get a somewhat secure possession too. That's not wired at all. Many people feel accomplished when they get officially hired. Ethan is so deep in his Culchah Whore he reached the point when he looks less human than Mags.

Looking back at his and Zack's fascination with Mags it only makes sense if they realize that they're roughly on the same F-tear as Mags in writing and they assume that Mags stole their jobs thanks to politics. But they fail to understand that without politics there wouldn't be a place for an F-tear writer and they wouldn't get a writing job ether. Mags and the rest are only getting job for publicity, the job they get is a small story in an anthology, D-list limited series or if they're lucky a spin-off ongoing for a z-list side character that gets canceled 11 issue in. If there wouldn't be publicity there wouldn't be a book and a contract to begin with. There is nothing to be jealous of because it's not a real job and you wouldn't have a chance ether way.

I disagree. Zack and EVS’ position as fairly successful creators makes their criticism of Mags even more pointed. The comics industry hasn’t particularly cared about talent for a long time. Rob Liefeld, god bless him, has never improved and yet continues to get work because he stirs a ton of hype. If the industry was driven by success instead of weird leftist politics, both Zack and EVS would have been beating away exclusivity contract offers with a stick on the basis of the hype (and more importantly money) they’ve managed to generate on their own.

Instead, Mags, a creator who just spent the last week falsely accusing one of the industry’s actual cash cows of literally nothing for clout, a creator who has no talent, can’t sell books, and nobody actually likes, has been given an exclusive contract because one of these companies is just desperate to go under as soon as possible.
 
Kwanzer?
Excuse me while I try to erase the cringe off my face...
Kwanzer cannot write a legible tweet and is pretending to be a writer?

As for Mags, the hateboner for her is that she is the embodiment of everything wrong with the modern comicbook industry. I had some positive experiences with her on twiter and, writing-wise, she has some potential for emotionally charged dialogues, despite the fact she cannot write a story. Unfortunately, transitioning from a wannabe fanboi to a pro woman in comics does nothing to improve ones writing...

That being said, she was promoted way before she had improved her craft, has been mentored by Gail 'fake geek auntie' Simone, who is... let's say not the most suited person to teach somebody how to write and, at the moment, she is a tainted brand.

Speaking of tainted brands and bad writing:
More people than you think do this full time selling books on Amazon and Kindle, but I don't know how they do it. A lot of them put a lot of money into Amazon ads, but I've had no luck with those. They all just say "have nice covers and do a series" but I don't know, I thought my covers were pretty good.
Let me tell you a secret about publishing and bookbuying, as a buyer of books: People doing self-publishing as a full-time job, publish books people want to read.
There is no use having a great cover for an uninteresting book or having a series of unsellable books.
A great cover will make people curious to read your blurb and if it is a series some of those who read the first book (expect around 50%) will buy the second, then will go on buying the rest. And with every new book coming out, you will have people buying the older ones and getting into the series.
Unless you understand why this advice is being given, you cannot make it work.

Let me tell you something: YBZ books are mediocre at best. But people buy them because he can hype them on his videos and because they are stuff people want to read. Expendables with superpowers, bordertown shoot-em-ups and a conspiracy thriller set in the covid era are cool concepts that have an audience. And, additionally, people like Zack, they tune in to listen to him talking comics and also listen about how his projects are going. Reading the actual book, after listening about how it is being made, is the culmination of the experience, the end of a journey and this covers for a lot of the badness.
Cyberfrog had some issues with the story and the writing. But once Ethan shows an impressive page, you want to see more of it.
This is YouTube marketing at its best - you have your audience join you while making that book, to the point where they are willing to spend a couple dollars to read the damned thing.

Now, you are twenty something, have published 4 books and 3 comicbooks successfully. You work hard and you are focused. This means you have all it takes to make a career.
What you lack is the craft (but you will get there) and the sales.
Maybe people do not want to read your books. Maybe supernatural horror is not selling.
Have you thought about taking your ideas about Brutas, repurposing them in another sci fi concept and writing some badass sci fi? There are a lot of self published sci fi authors so there is probably an audience there.

I would suggest you get a dayjob, get off the internet, go out and talk to real people, date a girl or two, see what reality is all about. People read to escape reality and this is what you should give them. But you have to know people to know what they want.
The reason modern comics suck is because they are written by losers who can't get of the internet long enough to know what the real world is, let alone wants.

And also learn how to interact with people. Because, honestly, you fail hard at interacting with people and it shows throughout your CG career.
 
I disagree. Zack and EVS’ position as fairly successful creators makes their criticism of Mags even more pointed.
Since fucking when this is success? Since when collecting a microscopic fraction of fraction of comicbook readers and milking them dry for loyalty buys is a susses?

If the industry was driven by success instead of weird leftist politics, both Zack and EVS would have been beating away exclusivity contract offers with a stick on the basis of the hype (and more importantly money) they’ve managed to generate on their own.
Dude, If it was, Richie end Ethan would've been unemployed with Mags. It's the same shallow victim hype that Mags is producing with just a tad bit of Boomer flavor. Which btw would've fallen apart the moment they got hired anyway, because their careers and hype are build on communist-like bitching about being harassed by big companies. "Me small big company bad give money to resist" and nothing more. Shit wouldn't fly if you suddenly began to work for a company you bitched about yesterday. I'm not even getting into pure anti-PR personalities like YF, Cecile, Ro, or TUG who only damage the appeal to anything mainstream or official. Their hype is a very specific empty hype that only works from a very specific victim angle, it is unusable beyond a little cult of personality.

Instead, Mags, a creator who just spent the last week falsely accusing one of the industry’s actual cash cows of literally nothing for clout, a creator who has no talent, can’t sell books, and nobody actually likes, has been given an exclusive contract because one of these companies is just desperate to go under as soon as possible.
Which did nothing and you only know about because you follow FagDad Failure club. This only proves how little Mags is and how pointless The CG Struggle is too. Mags' bitching is pointless if doesn't bump into a preexisting desire of a higher-up to get rid of someone. About as pointless as all the Brie Larson bitching is
 
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