#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[FROG]

Part of me thinks the plan with Nasser and Mike is to manufacture some more drama so you can kick them out again. If you think the response is bad now wait until you try to bring Ro and Pan back.

There is no money in that shit. The plan is to be at peace with as many of my former allies as possible and sell frog comics to their fans.

That doesn’t involve “bringing them back.” My audience clearly doesn’t want to see them.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

There is no money in that shit. The plan is to be at peace with as many of my former allies as possible and sell frog comics to their fans.

That doesn’t involve “bringing them back.” My audience clearly doesn’t want to see them.

Hail Caesar

 

[Absurdity]

Amazing stuff! A real time lesson in Abnormal Psychology. You know what they're going to do before they do it, they'll tell you what they think you want to hear, but the results will be the same. The sad thing is, most regular people fall for it if for no other reason than they incorrectly assume their opponent has the same sense of fair play and honor and general good will as they themselves do. Like a hermit crab, Ethan will only exit his closet if he has another one to crawl into. One pretense after another.

Nasser has really turned into a fulltime shillcow gimp. I'm actually impressed! Not everyone has the required lack of self-esteem coupled with an insatiable desire to grift.

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

Mike cites the injustice that Thomas Morya: Wizard for Hire by Celina Hernandez, an extremely impressive debut comic under the CG banner that is doing even worse that Lonestar 3 and that disproves the so called benefit of declaring oneself Comicsgate; the only real benefit of declaring Comicsgate is access to Frog's platform.

Its more than just access to Ethans platform. I always talk about "taking a book on tour" on any and every small channel you can find. Sometimes its not seeing your book for ten minutes on Ethans stream that sells it, its the intimate 90 minute conversation where you're interacting with the 25 people in the chat. And sometimes youre just trying to convince the host of a show that HE should buy it.

Maybe thats small potatoes but if I sell fifty bucks of comics in an hour thats more than I earn irl at mega evil corp. Its one of the reasons that Fraga's introduction was such a success. He did just that and appeared on absolutely everyone's channel.

Thomas Morya and how the success that Mike feels the comic clearly merits is touched upon again, but Frog flips that around as another example of how important marketing any product is, good or bad, adding that Mike enjoys 28 years of established reputation as a comic book artist that Celina Hernandez simply does not, that Comicsgate needs established veterans like Mike to help advocate for prospects like Celina Hernandez and that he can't do it all by himself.

Thomas Morya would have more if the creator did more shows. (see above) One complaint I used to hear a lot about Mike was that he would only interact with "Big Boys" and you can see that to him the only benefit is access to EVS show.

As Mike is a creator who receives money from Comicsgate customers, he cannot be CG himself.

If you eat in a restaurant where you work you're still a customer. You just have to buy comics.

 

[Rupin]

There is no money in that shit. The plan is to be at peace with as many of my former allies as possible and sell frog comics to their fans.

That doesn’t involve “bringing them back.” My audience clearly doesn’t want to see them.

yeah you really ought to distance yourself from those two. Nasser acts like too much of a suck up and it’s obvious that he is using you as a grift to sell his books and Mike... well he is Mike. I don’t think he really wanted to come back anyway Judging by his last stream. He is content to play the underdog victim role on his channel

Personally, I like Mike and much prefer him over Nasser but, if the rest of your audience doesn’t want these two around then it’s obvious what route you should take.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

yeah you really ought to distance yourself from those two. Nasser acts like too much of a suck up and it’s obvious that he is using you as a grift to sell his books and Mike... well he is Mike. I don’t he really wanted to come back anyway. He is content to play the underdog victim role on his channel

Personally, I like Mike and much prefer him over Nasser but, if the rest of your audience doesn’t want these two around then it’s obvious what route you should take.

Going back to the place I shouldnt have left isnt s grift. Delivering books isnt a grift.

I made $9k for myself between 2 comics. That's not much of a grift. I asked for $5 for Stardust. I'm not out here asking $55+shipping for a floppy.

If I'm going to come back and make much less than $9k for myself on my next comic, it's not a grift. My failed comic raised $3,100, only getting 50% of the way to the goal. As far as I know, my next comic ASYL is only gonna raise another $3,100 for its budget. That makes me $0. That's not a grift.

 

[Rupin]

Going back to the place I shouldnt have left isnt s grift. Delivering books isnt a grift.

I made $9k for myself between 2 comics. That's not much of a grift. I asked for $5 for Stardust. I'm not out here asking $55+shipping for a floppy.

If I'm going to come back and make much less than $9k for myself on my next comic, it's not a grift. My failed comic raised $3,100, only getting 50% of the way to the goal. As far as I know, my next comic ASYL is only gonna raise another $3,100 for its budget. That makes me $0. That's not a grift.

the difference is that you will have access to Ethan’s audience this time when you launch. Doug steered you wrong and it cost you much, I get it. But you can’t say that money isn’t a big reason why you came back to CG and with access to Ethan’s audience you would stand to make a lot more than 3100.

 

[jspit2.0]

Amazing stuff! A real time lesson in Abnormal Psychology. You know what they're going to do before they do it, they'll tell you what they think you want to hear, but the results will be the same. The sad thing is, most regular people fall for it if for no other reason than they incorrectly assume their opponent has the same sense of fair play and honor and general good will as they themselves do. Like a hermit crab, Ethan will only exit his closet if he has another one to crawl into. One pretense after another.

Nasser has really turned into a fulltime shillcow gimp. I'm actually impressed! Not everyone has the required lack of self-esteem coupled with an insatiable desire to grift.

Dats showbiz

yeah you really ought to distance yourself from those two. Nasser acts like too much of a suck up and it’s obvious that he is using you as a grift to sell his books and Mike... well he is Mike. I don’t he really wanted to come back anyway. He is content to play the underdog victim role on his channel

Harsh. No forgiveness eh? What's the time limit on a fuck up with you? One fight and its life?

Personally, I like Mike and much prefer him over Nasser but, if the rest of your audience doesn’t want these two around then it’s obvious what route you should take.

Not cling to an unproductive argument? Focus on griftin'? That's what this is. Showbiz. Nassar's a professional heel.

I will say, I'm pretty sure the push back to Nassar has less to do with his 'betrayal' and more to do with his spot being one another person could have taken. Kindof like the real problem WC had with Anna. It's less to do with loyaltism and more to do with Nassar displacing an overcrowded.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

the difference is that you will have access to Ethan’s audience this time when you launch. Doug steered you wrong and it cost you much, I get it. But you can’t say that money isn’t a big reason why you came back to CG and with access to Ethan’s audience you would stand to make a lot more than 3100.

I dont have access to Ethan's audience, and even if I did, there's no guarantees. Look at the chat even when I'm not there but get mentioned on the stream, I get a ton of people telling me to kill myself and I get a ton of other insults.

I just hope F Nasser can become Forgive Nasser

 

[Rupin]

Dats showbiz


Harsh. No forgiveness eh? What's the time limit on a fuck up with you? One fight and its life?


Not cling to an unproductive argument? Focus on griftin'? That's what this is. Showbiz. Nassar's a professional heel.

I will say, I'm pretty sure the push back to Nassar has less to do with his 'betrayal' and more to do with his spot being one another person could have taken. Kindof like the real problem WC had with Anna. It's less to do with loyaltism and more to do with Nassar displacing an overcrowded.

I didn’t say I wouldn’t forgive Nasser. He’s done nothing to me. It’s just that after all this time behind enemy lines, he decides he wants to come back. Why? Because he wasn’t making any money over there.

and yes you make a valid point with Nasser taking a spot that could be for someone who is more deserving. But, we will see. For some reason EVS finds Nasser entertaining, as for me I never saw his appeal. But the same can said for a lot of people EVS puts on his show so that’s kind of a moot point.

 

[Analog Devolved]

HI!!! #COMICSGATE

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Figured it was time to join since I have been told that 10+ people are me. If you have any questions just let me know.

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Get verified.

Let's be honest here no one is autistic enough to impersonate Testefy -HD-

Yesterday was good for continuing to heal the rifts in ComicsGate.

Although I wish things could be as they were, I'm not sure that's a possibility. But maybe something better will happen instead.

I've forgiven Mike, and apologized to Mike, and I'm just going to move forward without the negative feelings towards him. A lot of my subscribers expressed disgust at the idea of ever having to look at Mike's face again, and asked that he never be allowed back on my channel. Here's a message I got in my comments that sums up the general mood:

EVS,

I am not even sure why I bother to type stuff like this out as you have never listened, so I am doubtful it'll sink in now. Forgiving Smiller The Smug and Nasser The Sociopath is one thing. You do that for your own peace of mind, to avoid the Soul Cancer they have, and because of your beliefs; I understand and admire that. However, that is not the same thing as allowing these Scorpions in skin suits back into your circle. You are a fool if you do and you are going to reap the just rewards of this extremely bad decision very, very quickly.

Your heart is too big, and your vision to narrow, to see these "people" for what they are. They are SJW's of a different stripe. You would not allow SJW's into your circle, but you will allow people that have, TIME AND TIME AGAIN slandered, libeled, personally attacked and insulted you. They are Donnie Cates with a different coat of paint. They have betrayed you at every turn and in every way. Worst of all, they attacked your family to boot! I do not, for the life of me, understand how you equate forgiving these Ankles with allowing them back into your life on any level. I simply do not get it.

You are far, far too old and intelligent to be this naive to fall for this for this blatant ploy. They want back on your coat tails, period. I will never support anything they touch; we both know damn well I am not alone on this. Just like with Mitch, THEY BETRAYED THE CUSTOMERS/FANS TOO. And you are going to welcome them back with open arms because you believe that will heal all wounds? You cannot, simply CANNOT be this naive. I refuse to believe that.

You talk down about how dumb you are all_the_time, but you know you are not. You are no dummy. You just have far too big a heart for your own good. These Ankles attacked your business, your IP, your reputation, your honor, and YOUR FAMILY. They used and abused you time and time and time again. Not to mention the Transcripts Lim and Benedict Ernst level GHEY OPS they all ran for months and months on you. Or is it years now? And you will welcome them back?

You calling yourself Caesar is more poignant than you know. You when welcome your own destruction it is hard for me to muster up any empathy for you, Ethan. Alas, as always, you won't be able to process these words over what your definition of forgiveness is. I will always wish only the best for you and yours. Even when you've pissed me off to no end, and I gave up on CG, entirely, for 3+ months, I still did. In fact, you are the very reason I came back. YouTube kept recommending your videos to me and I finally just clicked on one again and just sucked back in.

What you call hate I see as common f*(king sense. I do not hate Smiller The Smug or Nasser The Sociopath. I just want absolutely nothing to do with either of them. They have displayed who and what they are succinctly and on scores of occasions. How many scores of times are you going to fall for the same BS? At this point, you might as well start wearing Clown Makeup every episode because these Scorpions in skin suits are gonna treat you as one. Again.

Please wake TF up, EVS. Do not let your YUGE heart override common sense. They are the flip side of Mags and Antos. Would you ever welcome those Ankles into your circle? Ever, ever, ever? How many times, and how many people, are you going to allow to use you as human Toilet Paper and laugh it off as it was just a goof/mistake? They never have been. It was: malicious, intentional, and done out of jealousy and spite. Week after week, month after month. Is it not years now? It has all gone by so fast, I am not even sure anymore. I do not comprehend how you fail to see these "people" for what they are.

Anyway, God Bless and much love to you and yours. This will be the last time I try to convey this to you. I am in the double digits in attempts now, for sure.

___END___

As far as I can tell, it's less about Mike and more about the people who came with him, who felt disenfranchised by Mike's disenfranchisement. Those people seemed happy to see Mike and I come to terms of agreement, and begin healing. That's what matters.

If there's an hysteria about Mike immediately being let back into my "inner circle" to "betray me once more," those people should understand. It's ALWAYS about the customers for me. Every single time.

No one cares about your faggy kumbaya moment with Smiller or your fan mail from dudes you met behind a pizza parlour.

 

[Brother Maynard]

There is no money in that shit. The plan is to be at peace with as many of my former allies as possible and sell frog comics to their fans.

That doesn’t involve “bringing them back.” My audience clearly doesn’t want to see them.

That seems to line up with what Mike was saying on his channel earlier. 'Never say never', but he has no intention of coming back to the audience you've poisoned against him for a year and a half.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see you two forgive each other. But you can't drill it into your fans heads for all that time that Smiller is evil, hateful, a liar, cheat, thief, etc. etc. etc. and then expect them to want him to waltz through the door with his 'hehehee' grin on his fat little face. It's not enough that you apologize or forgive HIM. You have to convince your audience YOU were wrong, or they'll never accept him. Why should they?

And let's be honest. You're never going to do that. lol

 

[FROG]

Mike cites the injustice that Thomas Morya: Wizard for Hire by Celina Hernandez, an extremely impressive debut comic under the CG banner that is doing even worse that Lonestar 3 and that disproves the so called benefit of declaring oneself Comicsgate; the only real benefit of declaring Comicsgate is access to Frog's platform. Nasser doesn't have an argument for this on hand and buys for time byr trashing Donal and his latest excuse for not fulfilling Brutas the Badass. It works as Mike joins in on laughing at Donal's inept cuck ass. There's some more discussion at 46 minutes on Mike's end about the difficulty of writing, drawing, inking and coloring an entire book with the level of "extreme detail" that Thomas Morya boasts on a 13,000 dollar budget and how an average of $270 a page before costs isn't worth the amount of labor involved.

The book is drawn by Stefani Rennee, a Brazilian artist who has done some really nice work for me. He reached out via Twitter and told me he wanted to be CG. I've talked him up and shown his work, and people like it.

I've promoted Thomas Morya: Wizard for Hire a few times and it's gotten some good response, but Mike's right, it's not performing financially as well as it looks like it should.

My instincts tell me that the reasons might be:

1. We're promoting on YouTube, where people get to know us. Stefani hasn't spent much if any time personally interacting with potential customers.

2. It's his first project with CG.

3. The title is confusing and doesn't grab backers. Who is "Thomas Morya," a casual backer might wonder? Is that the creator? Never heard of him. "Wizard for Hire" isn't that compelling a phrase either. It lacks the punch of "DOCTOR STRANGE" for drawing you in and creating curiosity.

If it were my project, I'd find a better title than just a bland regular name that I'm not sure how to pronounce, with a subtitle that sounds like he's a birthday party entertainer.


So Mike is encountering proof that just being a fantastic artist or writer isn't enough in a crowded Indie Comics market in which none of us gets to lean on established corporate franchises that automatically give us audiences. We have to create those audiences, and that means marketing. It's a big part of the job.

That seems to line up with what Mike was saying on his channel earlier. 'Never say never', but he has no intention of coming back to the audience you've poisoned against him for a year and a half.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see you two forgive each other. But you can't drill it into your fans heads for all that time that Smiller is evil, hateful, a liar, cheat, thief, etc. etc. etc. and then expect them to want him to waltz through the door with his 'hehehee' grin on his fat little face. It's not enough that you apologize or forgive HIM. You have to convince your audience YOU were wrong, or they'll never accept him. Why should they?

And let's be honest. You're never going to do that. lol

Forgiving Mike doesn't mean I was wrong about him. He said I declared that "Mike must be destroyed", and I apologized for that, even if it was almost definitely shtick.

I apologized for my own behavior, where I might have stepped over the line in anger. I mostly used him as a source of humor.

But Mike poisoned my audience against him on his own, with a series of really stupid mistakes. It's his responsibility to win those paying customers back. I couldn't do it even if I wanted to.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

It's his responsibility to win those paying customers back. I couldn't do it even if I wanted to.

I actually agree with this part.
You shouldn't have to carry the water for Mike.
It's his job to win back customers.

 

[Mister Dongs]

So Mike is encountering proof that just being a fantastic artist or writer isn't enough in a crowded Indie Comics market in which none of us gets to lean on established corporate franchises that automatically give us audiences. We have to create those audiences, and that means marketing. It's a big part of the job.

I've only seen Celina Hernandez as a guest on Billy Tucci's show, and that's not a program I watch very often.
But these and similar questions like "why aren't guys who are pro-Comicsgate with bigger platforms than Frog considered leaders?" are good things to ask because the answers lead to a more sober perspective than just falling back on a usurper narrative.

But Mike poisoned my audience against him on his own, with a series of really stupid mistakes.

I don't think Mike disseminated unfounded rumors of him "embezzling" Lonestar 2's funds and then amending the claim to that it was the IRS who seized the money. Claims that were repeated in the comments and social media of every publication willing to mention his product. With no correction after Lonestar 2 was fulfilled. That was you. Weird that Brutas the Badass escaped this very legitimate consumer advocacy reporting by the way.

I actually agree with this part.
You shouldn't have to carry the water for Mike.
It's his job to win back customers.

I agree as well. The decline of Mike's channel post-Comicsgate has very little to do with Frog's audience and everything to do with the format and quality of content Mike is putting out to market his product. Self-publishing comic book artists like David Finch and dannphan are getting by just fine using the "CG model" without kissing the ring or "grabbing an oar" and they don't have Mike's abilities, let alone access to the murderer's row of artistic talent that is the Drawn and Quarterly crowd.

The real issue coming up is the CG zealots trying to cancel Smiller by howling into Shadiversity's platform and then inevitably attacking Shad when he refuses to listen to their demands. Another potential customer pool whose first impression of Comicsgate is of a slavering cancel culture mob. As long as we're on the subject of audiences being "poisoned" against things.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I don't think Mike disseminated unfounded rumors of him "embezzling" Lonestar 2's funds and then amending the claim to that it was the IRS who seized the money. Claims that were repeated in the comments and social media of every publication willing to mention his product. With no correction after Lonestar 2 was fulfilled. That was you. Weird that Brutas the Badass escaped this very legitimate consumer advocacy reporting by the way.

Especially when donal objectively embezzled the campaign money.

 

[Smug Freiza]

I actually agree with this part.
You shouldn't have to carry the water for Mike.
It's his job to win back customers.

That will be extremely difficult for him, especially after what I witnessed in @FROG's chat recently.

The saga continues following @Mister Dongs brilliant write up of Nasser's stream which is available here. Shortly after the Nasser stream which rekindled the embers of Ethan and Mike's friendship, Ethan fired up a livestream to inform his audience of the news titled "A New Dawn! LIVE!" which immediately had an aura of positivity around it.

Ethan starts the stream by answering questions about an upcoming "Shockroach" trading card and discussing the Shining sequel Dr Sleep before he is joined by Cecil and Billy Tucci. At the 18min 52second mark he begins to discuss the stream he just had with Nasser and Mike and describes the encounter as a good day and exciting night. Despite Adam Post and Ethan expressing positivity about the situation the chat remained skeptical from the beginning.

There were voices expressing happiness that Mike and Ethan had reconciled their differences however the chat was largely unimpressed. Adam Post offered encouragement stating that he always enjoyed watching Mike and Ethan on stream together.

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The positive chats were in short supply and mostly drowned out by angry Comicsgaters, none more vocal than Mr Biggons, Sketch Therapy and Tweeter Trash. Ethan remarks that he hasn't seen Mr Biggons in a while, possibly due to him carrying water for Warcampaign during the great schism earlier this year. Mr Biggon's was such a large defender of Warcampaign during their campaign against Jon Malin, Cecil and That Star Wars Girl he even appeared on a now deleted Live with Liam to debate Well Read User 1 on WC's actions. While the stream is lost, @Mister Dongs write up is still available here in this thread, in which TUG and Biggon's defend Warcampaign's actions against a solo Well Read User 1. The stream then shifts topics to Darwyn Cooke, various Indiegogo campaigns and the Cyberfrog toyline currently being developed.

At the 47minute 20second mark Shane Davis joined Ethan, Cecil, Billy and Adam Post on the panel, while the chat encourages Mr Biggons to join them and he does so a few seconds later. Ethan asks Biggons if he is upset over something and he begins a rant about Comicsgate being akin to the deplorables suffering under the elite, which Mike S Miller is apart of. Biggons states that Mike S Miller is irredeemable and he and Cecil quickly decide to remind Ethan why he should hate Mike despite Ethan insisting he doesn't want to hold hatred in his heart. Several users including Dark Gift Comics disagree with Biggon's sentiments but largely the chat agrees with him.

At this point Biggons doubles down and brands Mike a "Pharisee", claims he has short man syndrome and cringely "hails the motherfucking chat" in a Ro Kumaresque fashion not seen in months. As the stream progresses Biggon's claims that Mike is crawling back to CG because he want's money, completely showing how foolishly uninformed he is. During the Nasser stream Mike explicitly said he wasn't returning to CG, he was just happy to bury the hatchet with Ethan and stated "he would rather make less money on his book, if it meant he didn't have to rely on personality." During this time, Sketch Therapy has a brain snap in chat and starts accusing Ethan of wanting to suck Mike's "qoq", which he repeatedly spams.

Sketch continues to spam the chat with obscenities as the stream continues moving onto other topics such as Nasser, DC Comics woes and Marvel destroying Taskmaster. The stream gets pretty boring from there but the chat is riled up and more interesting than anything, including a random superchat.

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@Yuusha-sama I'm going to need a fact check on this?

The stream then ends at the 1hr and 54minute mark, the comment section was a little more forgiving of Mike than the live chat. With multiple comments of people disagreeing with Mr Biggons.

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It should also be noted that during the livestream Mike picked up an extra 30 backers and over $500 in funding, so it would appear that not all Comicsgaters feel the same as Biggons.

The saga for the soul of Smiller will undoubtedly continue.

EDITS: Spelling, layout and grammar.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Ethan remarks that he hasn't seen Mr Biggons in a while, possibly due to him carrying water for Warcampaign during the great schism earlier this year. Mr Biggon's was such a large defender of Warcampaign during their campaign against Jon Malin, Cecil and That Star Wars Girl he even appeared on a now deleted Live with Liam to debate Well Read User 1 on WC's actions. While the stream is lost, @Mister Dongs write up is still available here in this thread, in which TUG and Biggon's defend Warcampaign's actions against a solo Well Read User 1.

Damn, "Mr Biggons" had to pay 2000 simpbucks for a doodle by Anna so he'd still be allowed in Comicsgate after getting caught on the WC side of the fence. No wonder he got worked up so hard about other people "crawling their way back into CG" when in reality Smiller accepted an apology. Classic projection.

 

[Rupin]

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Damn, Biggons had to pay 2000 simpbucks for a doodle by Anna so he'd still be allowed in Comicsgate after getting caught on the WC side of the fence.
No wonder he got worked up so hard about other people "crawling their way back into CG" when Smiller in reality accepted an apology. Classic projection.

There should be a laughing out loud rating for posts like this.

 

[CapeKnight]

As @Mister Dongs and @Smug Freiza already got to it before I could, I'd like to throw in some of my own two cents on this topic, that Mr. Faggot (Biggons) really proved a lot of Mike's points: that a whale like himself doesn't buy on merit, but on cult of personality. Now, this was something that was discussed on the Nasser stream where Mike said that he'd rather people buy his books to read them (as anyone who puts out a book should reasonably expect of their audience, the only reason to put out content is to make sure people actually consume it, if you care about the art form at all, and not just the money.)

Since it's been kindly posted from comments in Ethan's comment section already, I don't need to highlight anymore that this is indeed a WC tactic level of bullshit i.e. we are the customers, we get to decide who we want to gatekeep, meme, fuck with, harass, and chase off because we hold the money. Now, this is where it gets interesting because the a-loggers in here obviously were operating under the mode of thinking that Ethan commands every infrastructure of CG, but the stream that Biggons came on, it actually highlights that it's really not Ethan that's commanding, but rather a bunch of fans of think that they were wronged by the mainstream, without consideration that artists get blacklisted and cancelled, not them. All the fans are, are people who lost a form of entertainment. You can hardly compare losing a form of entertainment to losing an entire career and livelihood. For some creators, they lost both.

Really, it's part of Ethan's inability to see the other end of the argument and acknowledge this factor that even if he likes the patronage that whales like Biggons offers, so much so that he ends up being a bitch to someone no one should really give a shit about, that he doesn't realize that as a creator, no fan should be as entitled as Biggons felt to freely act as if he spoke on behalf of the chat, even if most of them are lunatics at this point. So, how much money did Biggons sink into your campaigns that you let him in the green room Ethan?

The part about poisoning fans, I seem to recall the comments about calling Mike a war profiteer as well, who started that, and who blew that up out of proportion? Anyone who tunes into EVS's streams were told these stories over and over again, and because they lack the ability to think for themselves, it sank down into their psyches and turned into hardwired programming that they're now refusing to come out of. Since this whole thing started off as anger against the SJWs, no one's ever really let that anger go, and instead turned that anger inward to sniff people they assume are bad faith actors out, even if they are completely wrong: case and point, Liam Gray and Sketch Therapy. The creators put stuff they feel like will help shift the tide in the "culture war", so they feel like they did their part, but all the fans do is pour money into campaigns hoping to say "take that mainstream" without accomplishing anything themselves, so they're still dwelling in some petty shitty anger, anger that is not their rightful place to show nor lash out anyone they think should be gatekept.

Biggons acts like he's more full of hate than Ethan is, so much as to say he keeps the Lonestar dogtags around his mic to remind him of the betrayal. What betrayal? Has he taken his meds lately? What did this faggot feel betrayed by? You don't buy someone's product anymore, okay, what's there to bitch about? Butthurt you don't have your perfect little CG boy band anymore, that it? At what point does a creator go to allow their own customer to step on them? Mike obviously knows he doesn't want to dance as a monkey for Ethan's audience, and that's perfectly fine, even though it doesn't translate into sales for him because his content is rather sleep inducing.

So this where it comes back to Ethan mouthing off "for the show", which I understand, it's "playing characters", but the chat's obviously dumb enough to buy a lot of stuff being said as for real, or at least wants to hold onto the rage that was instilled into them. Much like Ethan's claims of not being aware of everything going on in CG, even the plebs in the chat have no clue about how he personally feels or might want to come around to feeling. The problem here is that the "for the show" part is very closely tied to reality. This was how WarCampaign even became as prestigious as they were, by relying on the gaps and disconnect between what's real and what's not. This is why a lot of the chat retardedly went "Biggons is right". Obviously, there are other factors like Liamsimps being pissed at EVS that Liam has now gone on and declared himself not part of ComicsGate because Liam felt personally slighted at the idea of Nasser coming back, but that is just one of many factors, which is coming in as a collective to basically shit talk EVS back. Another example would be Sketch Therapy bursting a blood vessel in his brain in the chat very often at other CGers at any given moment, but since Sketch himself is a customer and not a creator, he aligned with the chat this time, although without triggering some obvious WC alts themselves.

It's more accurate to conclude that Ethan has the public image of being the leader, but he isn't some mastermind, but rather subjected to having to constantly deal with a toxic attitude he instilled into his own fans over the years of repeating beefs with other folks, with half truths mixed in with made up scandals that he propagates, forgets about, gets over, but the fans don't and show up to hold his feet to the fire. It's akin to a negative feedback loop that he essentially cannot escape from, because it's become a symbiotic relationship at this point, and actually has to work towards fixing, but seems to be too scared to tell people like Biggons to fuck off when he's overstepping his boundaries as a customer because he likes his patronage too much, but he isn't without common sense because even he realizes that he had just made truce with Mike, so he had to tard wrangle the entire stream and redirect that hatred being displayed towards Mike towards SJWs doing shitty stuff to Taskmaster instead and going "see, this is what insulting customers look like", but the plebs have obviously gone full NPC mode and want nothing but blood, thus turning the show into a snorestream.

Here are some delicious salt from the stream for folks to enjoy (mostly Sketch Therapy's insanity in full display i.e. conspiracy theories about Nasser is the sole reason to blame for the Mike topic and that he isn't going to Superchat Ethan anymore if he brings Mike back, Sheila Allen think she has any weight to carry around in CG except the weight the panties she possibly sends out to men, and Biggons acting like a bitch. There are some defenses of Mike by people like Dark Gift, and others just trolling):

Spoiler: CHATS

(WarCampaign shill sneaking in to try and capitalize)



(although I'm sure she'll hate fuck any ugly fucker and with every inch she can get to make that dough)



(now... it puts into question that if Mike's stance is that CG is the customer, but the customers act like a bunch of NPCs, are they really worth it?)





(this is where Sketch truly is being honest, Ethan's just collateral damage)

(says that behind the chat)



(here Dark Gift points out correctly that Mike has apologized, so CGers, BTFO'd)

(another angle being worked, which again, reinforces the toxic nature of the chat and fanbase, thinking they can decide who is accepted and who isn't, the only thing they get to decide is to watch/buy or not)

(Sketch announces he is no longer superchatting)



(accuses anyone who shits on him of being WC)

(then actually t riggers a WC alt! I'm going to take a guess and say Gat)


(now playing the emotional manipulation game like a mad girlfriend)

(he didn't like what I like, TRIGGERED)




(now calmed down and realizes he said too much)