#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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CheezzyMach said:
Comics were just as woke in the 60s and 70s
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I can't get behind this. Woke, but just as woke? I have to think there's still some difference, however subtle, between promoting civil rights or sticking it to the megacorporations, and the crazy antifa critical race theory cancel culture shit that's going on now.

Mister Dongs said:
Frog says that whatever Mike chooses, he's glad he's been able to get this off his chest and that no matter what choice he makes, he's grateful to have know Smiller.
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I thought he loathed him.

COMMI3 MARK said:
If you eat in a restaurant where you work you're still a customer. You just have to buy comics.
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There are all sorts of things wrong with this analogy. The one I'll go with for now is that if Mike buys another guys comic, he's eating in some other guys restaurant.

Mister Dongs said:
But these and similar questions like "why aren't guys who are pro-Comicsgate with bigger platforms than Frog considered leaders?" are good things to ask because the answers lead to a more sober perspective than just falling back on a usurper narrative.
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More sober sounds - is it going too far to say it sounds just a pinch gaslighty? Occam's Razor might have already provided an answer as to why other pro-CGers aren't considered leaders. You don't have to call it a usurper narrative if it doesn't sound 'sober' enough. Would snake oil narrative be more acceptable? Carny barker narrative?

CapeKnight said:
Now, this is where it gets interesting because the a-loggers in here obviously were operating under the mode of thinking that Ethan commands every infrastructure of CG, but the stream that Biggons came on, it actually highlights that it's really not Ethan that's commanding, but rather a bunch of fans of think that they were wronged by the mainstream,
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Put it this way: that he got caught in the web doesn't mean he's not the spider who spun most of it. Not to labor the point that many here have already made, but a herd of dumbasses have been fed the lines that they're the customers in charge and that Mike is the devil for a couple of years. Now for whatever reason - a change of heart, bile fatigue, a dwindling stock of ablative armor - a U-turn is being attempted on one of those. Preferably finessed with enough care that as few customers as possible start to wonder if they have any say in it.

He can do it. I believe in Frog. He'll have them back, bleating mooing hailing oinking hailing, eating out of his hand, and believing we were always at war with Eastasia.
 
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TrunksFromDragonballGT said:
I didn’t say I wouldn’t forgive Nasser. He’s done nothing to me. It’s just that after all this time behind enemy lines, he decides he wants to come back. Why?
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He realized he was wrong? He's tired of being broke?
TrunksFromDragonballGT said:
Because he wasn’t making any money over there.
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And?
TrunksFromDragonballGT said:
and yes you make a valid point with Nasser taking a spot that could be for someone who is more deserving.
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Which is the difference.

I understand that before selling comics, tubing is about entertainment. This is something Miller still hasn't grasped and most CGers can't figure out.

That stream with Ethan and Mike was YT gold. The whole thing that drives reality television, the appeal, is watching people who clearly don't like one another be forced to interact together.

Same with Nassar. He irritates people.

TrunksFromDragonballGT said:
But, we will see. For some reason EVS finds Nasser entertaining, as for me I never saw his appeal. But the same can said for a lot of people EVS puts on his show so that’s kind of a moot point.
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Okay. So far the last few streams he's done with @FROG and crew are some of the most entertaining of the year.

Mister Dongs said:
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Damn, "Mr Biggons" had to pay 2000 simpbucks for a doodle by Anna so he'd still be allowed in Comicsgate after getting caught on the WC side of the fence. No wonder he got worked up so hard about other people "crawling their way back into CG" when in reality Smiller accepted an apology. Classic projection.
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Makes you wonder, who truly is the worm? Maybe having them ditch the WC wasn't such a smart idea. At least the self identified as idiots before.
 
Mister Dongs said:
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Damn, "Mr Biggons" had to pay 2000 simpbucks for a doodle by Anna so he'd still be allowed in Comicsgate after getting caught on the WC side of the fence. No wonder he got worked up so hard about other people "crawling their way back into CG" when in reality Smiller accepted an apology. Classic projection.
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Lmao Mister Biggons is a faggot, Jesus christ.

2 grand for a shitty ass Anna drawing? Simp confirmed. I hope she showed him her tits for that kind of money. Her art is trash. Her star wars "i made this better" comparisons are annoying and trash.

Let's do some comparison. The last time Ethan took commissions was like 3 years ago and I believe he was charging $400. This was before he knew what a success Cyberfrog would be and make him a millionaire.

If you check the major comic art dealer sites very few pages sell for 2k or more. I'd say 90% are under $500 and only covers by well known artists can command a 2k asking price.

If you really want to delve into autism you can find good deals on twitter, through joining Patreon and becoming a high tier patron, or through the artists personal website.

Right now Tim Seeley is charging $400 for commissions. A lot of Indie comics covers sell for a few hundred bucks. A variant cover for Vampirella #1 drawn shitty just doesn't have a realistic market price of 2k. "Running up the bid" on shit like this only encourages more of it. Vampirella has a very low circulation. Its just not that popular.

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This is an Ethan Van Sciver page from 2009, Flash Rebirth #2. A comic that is still being reprinted. Ethan still collects some kind of royalty on this 11 year old comic.
This amazingly illustrated splash page is selling for $1,100 bucks. It's a realistic price given the publisher, the artist, the popularity of the book, and the quality.

TL;DR Mr. Biggons is a simp with more money than brains. He knows nothing about art and I hope he gets doxed for being a retarded faggot.

Autism: spitting straight facts here. Anna fucking SUCKS. If I, a totally random person from the depths of the internet drew this exact same Vampirella piece and went to Malin, EVS, or any of those CG pro artist youtube faggots and said "hey what do you think of this?" At best they would be polite and tell me to improve, that I'm just not ready to be mainstream or charge money for art.
At worst they would laugh at me and tell me to go fuck myself. That's if I could make it onto their show given the low level of skill Anna possesses.
She only gets screen time because she is hot and guys want to fuck her raw dog behind a pizza parlour. Sperging about star wars to thirsty neckbeards is profitable for thots.
 
Truly we are living in a new era of peace between Frog and Smiller, as shown here during the premier of "the latest Comicsgate project - Daym Drops: SUPER SPECIAL" according to Frog.
Let's watch, shall we?


 
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Mister Dongs said:
Truly we are living in a new era of peace between Frog and Smiller, as shown here during the premier of "the latest Comicsgate project - Daym Drops: SUPER SPECIAL" according to Frog.
Let's watch, shall we?


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that campaign started off the gate with a whimper. I guess Daym’s subscribers aren’t comic book fans. That and Daym didn’t even bother to promote the book on his channel.
 
TrunksFromDragonballGT said:
that campaign started off the gate with a whimper. I guess Daym’s subscribers aren’t comic book fans. That and Daym didn’t even bother to promote the book on his channel.
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The entire point of the project was to leverage Daym's audience so platforming the project on Brice's channel is a bit fucking insane.
Looking into it, the reasons are a bit easier to understand: Daym's channel and content are geared towards making cinematic food reviews and no CG telethon-style livestreaming. One would think that the skillset was transferrable to shilling comic books but evidently not. Daym has pinned the campaign to his twitter account, but a twitter account with 45K subscribers is a poor substitute for a youtube channel with 1.34 million subs.
 
Mister Dongs said:
The entire point of the project was to leverage Daym's audience so platforming the project on Brice's channel is a bit fucking insane.
Looking into it, the reasons are a bit easier to understand: Daym's channel and content are geared towards making cinematic food reviews and no CG telethon-style livestreaming. One would think that the skillset was transferrable to shilling comic books but evidently not. Daym has pinned the campaign to his twitter account, but a twitter account with 45K subscribers is a poor substitute for a youtube channel with 1.34 million subs.
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Back in the early snore streams, Malin did a good job of explaining the math the Jawbreakers crew ran.

So you have a 100,000 subs. if just one percent of those subs buy in that's I think a thousand backers? So the idea is you get them to like you, to like your content. Then you win over a minuscule fraction of them, maybe one percent. Turning them into readers. Assuming you get them to back at twenty five dollars a book that's 25, 000 dollars in fundraising, which is good money back before crowdfunding exploded. What caused Ethan, Worm, and others margins to explode were these insane tiers. Whales plopping down, for example, over a thousand dollars for original art. Clearly conversion of audiences differ. But that was the OG CG grift, as it were.

Your also right about twitter. That's not going to convert them from your YT channel. You need to show them the process, build excitement. Daym needs to have a pitch about the book on every video. He needs to show what it means to him, that it really is his book. Yes, if they get the book they'll read it and it'll convert them, but a number of these first time converts are buying as a piece of memorabilia, so it needs to be tied to you. I don't think Daym's even writing it and the page is a mess.
 
Mister Dongs said:
Truly we are living in a new era of peace between Frog and Smiller, as shown here during the premier of "the latest Comicsgate project - Daym Drops: SUPER SPECIAL" according to Frog.
Let's watch, shall we?


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This was extremely frustrating to watch.

Antonio and Caanan were trying to borrow a little of Daym Drops' clout in order to sell some comics about...well, Daym Drops. A comic about a food reviewer. A very weird idea, but they're great and Antonio and Caanan made it work. They made an ego-flattering tribute to Daym Drops in exchange for the use of his platform, and I guess after all of that work, they got too shy to actually ASK TO USE HIS PLATFORM.

What did Daym Drops think? That this was his fanclub, aching to tribute his greatness in a comic book? Making him into a superhero? Didn't he realize that this was the arrangement? Implicitly?

Now they've had an opening day box office of $2000, which will land them at $6000-8000, with a comic nobody wanted about a semi-popular YouTuber, and Antonio Brice has to pull that wagon with his own 4 digit YouTube following.

And Smiller is there, dancing, not questioning this arrangement on behalf of poor Antonio. Just hoping to hook up with another host organism.

I'll promote it as best as I can.

I hope Daym Drops realizes what's going on, and starts pushing the comic on his YouTube channel.
 
This Daym Drops foodie comic is the epitome of Bolshevik marketing.

If Daym Drops isn't advertising this comic and getting his fanbase to buy it, then that puts all of the onus on Antonio to sell it to his fanbase & Comicsgate, a comic nobody asked for or wanted about an E-celebrity nobody cares about.

The sheer blind insanity of it is staggering..

EDIT* It would be interesting to see the contract behind this arrangement. If Daym Drops was paid a one time fee to use his likeness I could see why he wouldn't advertise it. He already got paid so he no longer has skin in the game.

However, if Antonio was clever he would have the contract incentive laden, as in once the campaign hits certain financial benchmarks then Daym gets paid more money. That would give Daym a reason to promote the book on his show more.
 
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FROG said:
EVS,

I am not even sure why I bother to type stuff like this out as you have never listened, so I am doubtful it'll sink in now. Forgiving Smiller The Smug and Nasser The Sociopath is one thing. You do that for your own peace of mind, to avoid the Soul Cancer they have, and because of your beliefs; I understand and admire that. However, that is not the same thing as allowing these Scorpions in skin suits back into your circle. You are a fool if you do and you are going to reap the just rewards of this extremely bad decision very, very quickly.

Your heart is too big, and your vision to narrow, to see these "people" for what they are. They are SJW's of a different stripe. You would not allow SJW's into your circle, but you will allow people that have, TIME AND TIME AGAIN slandered, libeled, personally attacked and insulted you. They are Donnie Cates with a different coat of paint. They have betrayed you at every turn and in every way. Worst of all, they attacked your family to boot! I do not, for the life of me, understand how you equate forgiving these Ankles with allowing them back into your life on any level. I simply do not get it.

You are far, far too old and intelligent to be this naive to fall for this for this blatant ploy. They want back on your coat tails, period. I will never support anything they touch; we both know damn well I am not alone on this. Just like with Mitch, THEY BETRAYED THE CUSTOMERS/FANS TOO. And you are going to welcome them back with open arms because you believe that will heal all wounds? You cannot, simply CANNOT be this naive. I refuse to believe that.

You talk down about how dumb you are all_the_time, but you know you are not. You are no dummy. You just have far too big a heart for your own good. These Ankles attacked your business, your IP, your reputation, your honor, and YOUR FAMILY. They used and abused you time and time and time again. Not to mention the Transcripts Lim and Benedict Ernst level GHEY OPS they all ran for months and months on you. Or is it years now? And you will welcome them back?

You calling yourself Caesar is more poignant than you know. You when welcome your own destruction it is hard for me to muster up any empathy for you, Ethan. Alas, as always, you won't be able to process these words over what your definition of forgiveness is. I will always wish only the best for you and yours. Even when you've pissed me off to no end, and I gave up on CG, entirely, for 3+ months, I still did. In fact, you are the very reason I came back. YouTube kept recommending your videos to me and I finally just clicked on one again and just sucked back in.

What you call hate I see as common f*(king sense. I do not hate Smiller The Smug or Nasser The Sociopath. I just want absolutely nothing to do with either of them. They have displayed who and what they are succinctly and on scores of occasions. How many scores of times are you going to fall for the same BS? At this point, you might as well start wearing Clown Makeup every episode because these Scorpions in skin suits are gonna treat you as one. Again.

Please wake TF up, EVS. Do not let your YUGE heart override common sense. They are the flip side of Mags and Antos. Would you ever welcome those Ankles into your circle? Ever, ever, ever? How many times, and how many people, are you going to allow to use you as human Toilet Paper and laugh it off as it was just a goof/mistake? They never have been. It was: malicious, intentional, and done out of jealousy and spite. Week after week, month after month. Is it not years now? It has all gone by so fast, I am not even sure anymore. I do not comprehend how you fail to see these "people" for what they are.

Anyway, God Bless and much love to you and yours. This will be the last time I try to convey this to you. I am in the double digits in attempts now, for sure.

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Did you write this yourself CGYakuza?

The writing seems to be on par with your best stuff.

CG never changes, and neither do you.

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I don't have much extra to say about it, except to agree with DA's reactions at 4:16. Mike might have the wrong attitude for raking in piggybucks, but the right attitude for retaining a sliver of dignity.
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If Mike didn't want people to buy his books because they like who he is on YouTube, Mike wouldn't be using YouTube as a ministry while selling Lonestar.

If Mike had a "sliver of dignity", he wouldn't be seeking access to larger YouTube platforms, making exploitation comics starring Conservative celebrities, and lurking in Nerdrotic's chat shilling his comics, and being publicly scolded for it.

If Mike thought YouTube was killing his output, he wouldn't be on three hour livestreams to 25 people, drawing and chatting blandly to Mecha McCheese.

If Mike wanted people to buy his books because they want to read his books, not for crass commercial reasons, he wouldn't be running campaigns with 12 variant covers for each project.

Mike wants everything he says he doesn't want, but he wants it on his own terms. He wants it because people like Mike, not necessarily his comics, and certainly not me.

Mike's stumbling block is his pride, and I feel bad for him.
 
Newman's Lovechild said:
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I don't have much extra to say about it, except to agree with DA's reactions at 4:16. Mike might have the wrong attitude for raking in piggybucks, but the right attitude for retaining a sliver of dignity.
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My favorite part in this is when they say "How do you not remember sending Ethan the link.." I said at the start of the stream I was sending the link to Ethan and others and not just Mike, because I didn't know when/if Mike could come on--I had to originally push the stream back because Mike had things to do, and just figured I'd do a stream anyways.
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If Mike didn't want people to buy his books because they like who he is on YouTube, Mike wouldn't be using YouTube as a ministry while selling Lonestar.

If Mike had a "sliver of dignity", he wouldn't be seeking access to larger YouTube platforms, making exploitation comics starring Conservative celebrities, and lurking in Nerdrotic's chat shilling his comics, and being publicly scolded for it.

If Mike thought YouTube was killing his output, he wouldn't be on three hour livestreams to 25 people, drawing and chatting blandly to Mecha McCheese.

If Mike wanted people to buy his books because they want to read his books, not for crass commercial reasons, he wouldn't be running campaigns with 12 variant covers for each project.

Mike wants everything he says he doesn't want, but he wants it on his own terms. He wants it because people like Mike, not necessarily his comics, and certainly not me.

Mike's stumbling block is his pride, and I feel bad for him.
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Especially agree about the 12 variants. Nobody sells that many variants for "merit" they do it hoping people buy all 12.
 
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