#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[NasserRabadi13]

The entertainment value has plunged to deep negative where your stream isn't entertaining for anybody except you and your co-host.

The chat liked today's stream though.

I think both Razorfist and Mr H are better examples for Nasser to look at than Yellow Flash

I pulled it up. I'll watch it soon.

 

[Newman's Own]

No reason not to take it at that point. People need to get vaccinated in order to eradicate disease. See polio.

Polio is a much worse disease than the coof.

As far as I can tell the coof kills about 1 in 3000 people who get it (almost exclusively people already at deaths door) and the side effects for survivors long term roughly mirror the side effects (the brain and respiratory stuff) for other colds and flu's both in frequency and severity. Polio kills 1 in 20 kids and 1 in 3 adults that become infected with the virus. If you survive, you can still develop post-polio syndrome, a gradual decline in muscle function that occurs in 1 in 4 polio survivors.

The vaccine on the other hand is certain to make the recipient ill where the majority of infected have mild to non-existent symptoms. I don't know if the Bell's Palsy or other side effect rumors are true but I think I'll take a pass on the vaccine for now since I'm not high risk if I get infected and I'd rather not endure the nasty post injection side effects unless there is substantial risk associated with infection. At 95% efficacy I would recommend that my elderly family and other at risk individuals strongly consider it but I'll be avoiding unneeded jabs until they seem needed.

Given the mutagenic nature of corona viruses it seems unlikely that it can be eradicated in the same manner as polio. Are any experts making the claim that the vaccine can eradicate all strains? I wasn't aware that anyone was saying we could.

The idea of forcing or coercing vaccinations as Eric Larson suggests for a disease with a low mortality like this is alarming.

And Eric is a colossal sperging colostomy bag as well.

Edit:
CG twitter drama. Nasser's a PR genius.

 

[jspit2.0]

Polio is a much worse disease than the coof.

As far as I can tell the coof kills about 1 in 3000 people who get it (almost exclusively people already at deaths door) and the side effects for survivors long term roughly mirror the side effects (the brain and respiratory stuff) for other colds and flu's both in frequency and severity.

I know people who had it. Said it was the worst thing they ever experienced. It doesn't just infect people at death's door.

Polio kills 1 in 20 kids and 1 in 3 adults that become infected with the virus. If you survive, you can still develop post-polio syndrome, a gradual decline in muscle function that occurs in 1 in 4 polio survivors.

It was an example.

The vaccine on the other hand is certain to make the recipient ill where the majority of infected have mild to non-existent symptoms.

You have better odds of dying from Covid as having a problem with the vaccine. It causes a fever, headache, chills, for a day or two except for cases of an allergic reaction. If you have an allergic reaction, then yeah, it's a problem. But that's something you'll know having had to take vaccines to go to school, enlist in the military, or travel.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html

I don't know if the Bell's Palsy or other side effect rumors are true but I think I'll take a pass on the vaccine for now since I'm not high risk if I get infected and I'd rather not endure the nasty post injection side effects unless there is substantial risk associated with infection.

By the time you are eligible for a shot, millions will have received it.

At 95% efficacy I would recommend that my elderly family and other at risk individuals strongly consider it but I'll be avoiding unneeded jabs until they seem needed.

It only works when everyone gets it.

Given the mutagenic nature of corona viruses it seems unlikely that it can be eradicated in the same manner as polio. Are any experts making the claim that the vaccine can eradicate all strains? I wasn't aware that anyone was saying we could.

It will end its status as a pandemic and reduce the number of infected to manageable numbers.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/coronavirus-dr-fauci-says-he-doubts-whether-covid-can-be-eradicated.html

They believe it will have 90% efficacy, which is higher than the expected 50 to 60%. From there its a matter of precaution and whittling away at the remaining ten percent. We can accomplish that fairly easily. Assuming we don't have China deliver us COVID-21. Something I'd feel better about if Trump was leaning on the Chinese and not Biden.

The idea of forcing or coercing vaccinations as Eric Larson suggests for a disease with a low mortality like this is alarming.

Not especially. Like I said, we ask people to get vaccinated for some of the most basic activities in society. It's important. You disliked my polio analogy. But that's how we destroyed viruses. By systemically vaccinating the population over time. It kills the diseases over time. They require hosts to survive.

And Eric is a colossal sperging colostomy bag as well.

I don't disagree. But what he's purposing is for all intents and purposes general government policy.

My point, apparently lost, is that making people get vaccinated for comic cons or whatever won't accomplish anything. People don't want to go to them and if it's a private entity, no one cares. Mandatory vaccination for certain activities has to come from a source of authority and trust.

The last thing anyone trusts are loons in San Francisco...

Edit:
CG twitter drama. Nasser's a PR genius.

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[Rupin]

So, a couple of things polluting the comics world this Monday.

First up, Entertainment Weakly--which can always be depended on to promote the worst of humanity & culture--ran this story on Marvel's latest pandering faggotry:
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The Guardians of the Galaxy films are 2 of the only Marvel movies I've watched since Iron Man 3. How many parents, when they hear about this second- or third-hand, are never going to buy another Guardians toy for their kids again? This'll get all the usual twitter assholes cheering & gloating, but how is this anything a normal person would ever have any interest in their kids reading? Would Stan Lee ever have written his leading man as some other man's bitch?

This is from a couple of days ago, but interesting for the long-term implications. Creepy-looking hack Erik Larsen, said this about the chinavirus vaccine:View attachment 1788498
Does he have the pull to get conventions or store signings--if such things ever come back--to enforce something like this? He's a big enough asshole to try, anyway.

I'd hope conventions would be obsequious af to their fans if they come back, but watching these SJW companies & pros still trying to force their audiences to eat the shit sandwiches they're serving, I doubt it.

wow how weird can these people get?

 

[Newman's Own]

I know people who had it. Said it was the worst thing they ever experienced. It doesn't just infect people at death's door.

Viral load appears to be a factor. People in healthcare subjected to more potent exposure disproportionately have severe cases. Healthcare workers should absolutely get vaccinated.

A new study shows that cloth masks may be increasing the lethality of infections which would make sense if people get exposed on a permeable cloth mask and then breath the virus until they clean or change the masks.

As to knowing people who've had it, anecdotal evidence isn't reliable. I've taken several people to the hospital who were enduring the worst thing they ever experienced. It was the flu. I get that covid sickness can be terrible but that isn't unique to covid or an indicator that it's particularly lethal for younger people.

We're still learning how this virus operates.

You have better odds of dying from Covid as having a problem with the vaccine. It causes a fever, headache, chills, for a day or two except for cases of an allergic reaction. If you have an allergic reaction, then yeah, it's a problem. But that's something you'll know having had to take vaccines to go to school, enlist in the military, or travel.

People develop allergies throughout life.

The death rate for people under sixty for covid infection isn't significant. There is no need to take a vaccine for something that is highly unlikely to seriously harm you.

Not especially. Like I said, we ask people to get vaccinated for some of the most basic activities in society. It's important. You disliked my polio analogy. But that's how we destroyed viruses. By systemically vaccinating the population over time. It kills the diseases over time. They require hosts to survive.

When I see some evidence that the Covid vac is more effective than the flu vaccine at eradicating the virus I'll consider that. Until then I haven't seen the claim even made.

You have better odds of dying from Covid as having a problem with the vaccine.

I have better odds walking than I do driving too but I still drive, I even ride a motorcycle sometimes. Life is a risk reward analysis.

It only works when everyone gets it.

That's not how herd immunity works. 80% is more than enough and until I see evidence that the vaccine can eradicate a highly mutagenic corona virus I'll be avoiding the jab.

Like I said, we ask people to get vaccinated for some of the most basic activities in society.

The key word is "ask". We live in a voluntarist society. It's our greatest strength. (not diversity) We should not be entertaining the idea of curtailing peoples liberties to fight a serious but not catastrophic contagion. So far the most catastrophic effect of this virus has been the responses effect on 3rd world starvation and the destruction of first world economies. We should tread lighter.

The "experts" on this virus have been consistently unreliable from the jump and the vaccine is new tech with potential long term side effects no one can know. I trust experts who get results, not experts who I'm told know about something. I'm not an anti-vaccer but I'm also aware that vaccines can injure people and the effect can be delayed. These facts coupled with my relatively low risk to a virus likely to become less deadly as generations advance makes for a calculus indicating universal vaccination is premature and potentially disastrous. The experts said that thalidomide was safe and practical for pregnant women. They spoke to soon.

One look at Bill Gates's record in India substantially diminishes my trust in experts. He has "the best".

I don't put my faith in experts unless I have too. I will put my faith in facts but the facts aren't in yet.

This virus is not a doomsday virus. We should respond accordingly by protecting the vulnerable and proceeding with caution where unknowns are concerned. This mRNA vaccine is brand new in the way it was developed and the way that it interacts with the recipient. No one knows the consequences one year, 2 years or five years down the road. Naming the initiative "Project Warp Speed" didn't engender confidence.

I'll take my chances with the virus that only kills 1 in 100,000 people in my age bracket.

Can we get back to comics. I'm sure there is a separate thread for us to Covid sperg on.

 

[Botchy Galoop]

Given the mutagenic nature of corona viruses it seems unlikely that it can be eradicated in the same manner as polio. Are any experts making the claim that the vaccine can eradicate all strains? I wasn't aware that anyone was saying we could.

Totally off-topic, but there was news today that there is a new strain of Wu-Flu in S.E. England, that appears to be even more transmissible, though not any more dangerous. (as far as they know) There are already questions if the vaccine will work for this strain. It most likely will, though if it is as effective as 90% is unknown.
That is the nature of corona virus', they mutate rapidly, usually becoming less dangerous to their host. The common cold is a corona virus, that once was probably extremely dangerous until it mutated enough to be just a pain in the ass to most humans.
Covid 19 is with us forever, and hopefully with herd immunity and further mutation, it will become just another annual virus.

 

[Pilule Noire]

The chat liked today's stream though.

I pulled it up. I'll watch it soon.

Today was an improvement, largely because of the friction you were getting from your chat detractors. Is this your long-term plan though? Get into slapfights on Twitter, then read them out in girlish voices?

Here, look at Mr H, doing Comicsgate better than Comicsgate as far as presenting a sound common sense argument against SJWism:

(Also posting for @TheCosmicWarrior since it has an amusing mention of him)

 

[Newman's Own]

The common cold is a corona virus, that once was probably extremely dangerous

It may still be. When an 80 yr old pants shitter gets a cold that becomes pneumonia and then dies they don't put "the common cold" down as the cause of death. They put pneumonia down. But if the 80 yr old gets covid then pneumonia...

In other news excess mortality is around average (worse than 2019 better than 2018 ) this year despite the emergence of a pandemic.

Edit:

Didn't Malin start a standalone third-party shipping service for crowdfunded titles?

Apparently he did. This is on his pinned tweet.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vETCohxqR4E-i4z-aRD19bfZJaSU5XaR/view

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

wow how weird can these people get?

Here's Al Ewing, writer of homoerotic Star-Lord cuck scene:

 

[A nameless trool]

Saga's main themes revolve around social justice narratives about race and politics. It's an SJW book without doubt. It just happens to be well written and compelling which is rare in "progressive" circles.

Yeah, Social Justice Narative is not the same as a SJW comicbook though.
Brian Vaughan probably cares for diversity, inclusion and all that stuff. And has a solid history of comicbooks probably reveered by the Rainbow Legion of Comicbook Wannabes.

I believe that a lot of current creators grew up reading his work and try to imitate it (along with Josh Whedon's) without understanding why it works that well.
Saga, for all its LGBTQIA+ representation and wierd sex stuff, it is still Romeo and Julliet had a kid in the Star Wars universe. I can litteraly tell that to my co-workers over the water cooler and they are as likely to get it as COVID-19.
Now, try explaining Vagrant Queen or any other Saga knock-off to your co-workers and see how fast they get bored.

What most CGers miss (and I believe YBZ has hinted on it) is that a lot of comic book hiring is done by litterary agents. And litterary agents are all for SJW stuff. I can bet you that people like Mags is propped up by an agent and asked to "do something popular like XYZ to sell". This is why you have all those low effort SJW Netflix bait comicbooks out there.
Don't know if @FROG has any insight into how influencial literary agents are in DC and Marvel.

Speaking of @FROG

Sincere question: You're a former customer. Do you WANT to read my comics?

If so, what price point would bring you back?

I believe $3 per 20 pages of story is a fair price for any comicbook.

I may go up to $5 if I like you enough or the quality is high enough. I would probably do that for BDs

To follow up @Smug Freiza's earlier post on the subject of debates, I have to say my dream debate is still Razorfist vs Micah, that would be so funny. Any Youtuber who sets that one up has more than earned a sub from me.

I'm thinking @FROG wants to ease back into debating with @Mecha as his gimme fight. Frog's butt is likely still very sore from the spanking he received in his own comments section after debating Razorfist on the pedophilia of Michael Jackson. Get a load of these doozies:

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These aren't cherry picked either! There's very little coming the other way.

Razorfist is an interesting case, especially since Micah has been spurned by Frog now, yet is choosing to remain steadfastly clinging to his coattails. To use Frog's famous metaphor of Comicsgate being a poop jacket, Micah is clinging onto the coattails of the CG poopjacket, while Frog sort of spins and jerks around violently, trying to shake him off.

But Razorfist is Frog-friendly last I heard, and features a lot of good comics content that I would consider CG-compatible. He's got 281K subs too, his channel is literally more than twice the size of Frog's. But is it a CG channel?

And more importantly, does it matter?

The reason I bring it up is because I was looking at another Youtuber, Mr H. He's a pop culture guy with a horror and sci-fi orientation, did some Fandom Menacey, anti-SJW type video coverage of pop culture news, alongside things like readings of unfilmed Hellraiser scripts and things like that.

He's got 263K subs, almost double Frog's, and interestingly he's used the Youtube-to-crowdfund model to get his own short film made, which looks to be about some fat barbarians going mad:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=K5DP-ySolOw
I think both Razorfist and Mr H are better examples for Nasser to look at than Yellow Flash, who I don't really understand why Frog always brings him up as if he's the next big thing, as if he's going to be CG's PewDiePie. Does anybody here even watch Yellow Flash? I remember seeing his videos about two years ago, I didn't find them bad or anything but they just felt like second-hand information. I didn't feel like I was getting anything new from his videos. So I would see his thumbnail, agree with it, but then scroll past, since I never felt any need to watch it.

Razorfist, though, is a guy I like to come back to a lot because his channel The Rageaholic is a bit of a treasure trove of interesting videos on all kinds of subjects, if you look through his playlists. I never realised The Witcher is plagiarized from Elric, until today, from browsing Razorfist videos.

Mr H is less intelligent than Razorfist, but much more pleasant to listen to, and he has his ear to the ground with a lot of pop culture news, fraternizing with Midnight's Edge and the like in fairly entertaining streams, as well as usefully employing his radio voice to produce these sort of bootleg-Audible, Youtube-readings that can be quite enjoyable. He also has some very popular videos on sci-fi/horror franchise lore (Aliens, Predator, Hellraiser etc), many of them over a million views.

@NasserRabadi13 you should be looking at these guys, you're floundering at the moment. You've descended into a level of autism where it isn't even pleasant on a freakshow level. The entertainment value has plunged to deep negative where your stream isn't entertaining for anybody except you and your co-host. Literally the only entertaining thing is your sad, unanswered calls to Frog and Malin for help, that echo out into the darkness, giving the stream a poignant sense of melancholy.

You've become so uninteresting that even the CG jungle predators don't want to come out and take a bite.

The last funny thing to happen on your stream was when you misused your 'pretend snoring' gag to snore over the Cyberpunk 2077 trailer - which made you look autistic more than it made Cyberpunk 2077 look boring. And that wasn't the funny bit.

The funny bit was when you then went on to tediously re-shill your ASYL project for the eighteen billionth time, and Smiller used the pretend snoring gag back on you, snoring over ASYL, and making you get autistically upset.

Another brilliant Cowellish move by Smiller! He's absolutely the star of Afterlife I have to say.



I also want to see this, it's Frog who always brings it up. You've hyped it up as being Simon Cowell levels of HUMILIATION now Frog, I hope you weren't overhyping it dishonestly...? I hope you weren't letting your intense emotional feelings color the stone cold objective facts of what happened. Post the clip!

Great suggestions for @NasserRabadi13
I would also look towards David Steward. He is a writer, has quite a good following by being chill and talking books, comics, games and tv.
Or JSG who is almost as big as @FROG but only does 1 or 2 videos a week. But they are damn good videos. Well scripted, well edited, zero cow material and quite funny. And it probably pisses SJWs off that one of the biggest CG channels is by just some black guy.

 

[Newman's Own]

Yeah, Social Justice Narative is not the same as a SJW comicbook though.

For a comic to be SJW there are usually some earmarks. The simplest way to tell is to look at the "identities" of the heroes and villains. Do the heroes fit the "stunning and brave" mold? Is religion portrayed in a positive, negative or pandering light? How is race handled? Are the protagonists heroes because they do great things or because they are victims of oppression? Do the villains fit typical SJW tropes? Conservative caricatures, religious zealots, fascists? Are male and female characters portrayed to reflect "progressive" perceptions of the sexes?

I thought Saga ticked enough of the boxes for me to consider it well written and compelling SJW comics but my memory might be faulty since I haven't looked at Saga in several years.

BKV is a master of subtlety next to most comics writers especially nowadays. His writing comes across as positively centrist in comparison to hacks like Tom King who gets off on making a cuck out of the ultimate alpha in Batman or Ta Nehisi Coates who butchered Captain America & Black Panther with thinly veiled proselytizing. Bernie Sanders looks like a centrist next to those goofs. The Overton Window in comics went off a cliff some time ago and it took most of the subtlety with it by the look of things.

 

[A nameless trool]

For a comic to be SJW there are usually some earmarks. The simplest way to tell is to look at the "identities" of the heroes and villains. Do the heroes fit the "stunning and brave" mold? Is religion portrayed in a positive, negative or pandering light? How is race handled? Are the protagonists heroes because they do great things or because they are victims of oppression? Do the villains fit typical SJW tropes? Conservative caricatures, religious zealots, fascists? Are male and female characters portrayed to reflect "progressive" perceptions of the sexes?

I thought Saga ticked enough of the boxes for me to consider it well written and compelling SJW comics but my memory might be faulty since I haven't looked at Saga in several years.

BKV is a master of subtlety next to most comics writers especially nowadays. His writing comes across as positively centrist in comparison to hacks like Tom King who gets off on making a cuck out of the ultimate alpha in Bat-Man or Ta Nehisi Coates who butchered Captain America & Black Panther with thinly veiled proselytizing. Bernie Sanders looks like a centrist next to those goofs. The Overton Window in comics went off a cliff some time ago and it took most of the subtlety with it by the look of things.

By your definition of an SJW comic, Clairemont's X-Men fit the bill.

In my book, SJW comics is comics made to preach the values of Social Justice instead of entertaining. For instance, look at America Chavez. It was a mess throwing latinx (not to be confused with latinas) lesbians at every opportunity, go white man bad and have a WoC steal a frag from Captain America.
Saga, at the same time, has the two heroes form a family in space as they face problems most couples would face, like arguements, rearing a child, disapproval by parents etc.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

I have to express some kind of appreciation for @Newman's Own's particular peek at comic crowdfunding numbers. An insightful chapter in the story of comicsgate's role and significance. First it was about changing the industry. Frog came along and it turned into building a new industry, with apolitical comics. After some time it was let slip that comicsgate was about selling more cyberfrog comics and fuck anyone who didn't want to sell them for Frog. Some of us began to think it wasn't about selling comics at all, but about highly politicized prancing and flouncing online before rattling a cup of change in the viewer's face. If I read Newman Prime's post right, it turns out it's nigh impossible for comicsgate to hawk a comic in any other way.

In other words, here I am, a-logging about comic crowdfunders piling on the tchotchkes, when it turns out the comics themselves are the biggest, most pointless tchotchkes of all.

Magnificent.

 

[GranDuke]

So, a couple of things polluting the comics world this Monday.

First up, Entertainment Weakly--which can always be depended on to promote the worst of humanity & culture--ran this story on Marvel's latest pandering faggotry:

I find it funny that they use the "confirms" word. Was there some long running storyline that hinted at him being bisexual cuck? Or was this just a random thing that happened in this issue?

 

[Rupin]

I find it funny that they use the "confirms" word. Was there some long running storyline that hinted at him being bisexual cuck? Or was this just a random thing that happened in this issue?

Starlord was always a ladies man. There was never any indication that he was into men. At least until Al Ewing started writing him. It's the same thing they did with Iceman. At least, with a character like Northstar, it wasn't too hard to believe that he would be into dudes but, Starlord? That's just the writer projecting his views onto the character

 

[scotts_warm_baionnaise]

What most CGers miss (and I believe YBZ has hinted on it) is that a lot of comic book hiring is done by litterary agents. And litterary agents are all for SJW stuff. I can bet you that people like Mags is propped up by an agent and asked to "do something popular like XYZ to sell". This is why you have all those low effort SJW Netflix bait comicbooks out there.

I think this is a good takedown of the issue. I think if you dove deeper you'd see that the bigger issue lies in how these "literary agents" think. Polarization is a basic part of society at this point. The common detriment is that it causes people to think that everything they read, whether it's leftist or rightoid, is what everyone else believes. This makes them think it's the popular opinion. So then you look at these leftist literary agents consuming media from trash heaps like vox or vice, and they end up believing this identity politics dribble is what everyone wants. I think that's how we've gotten here.

 

[Pilule Noire]

Following up on the Youtube discussion, another interesting metric is total channel viewcount, which can be found under the 'About' tab on a channel.

Youtuber	Subs	Total Channel Viewcount
Frog	135K	39m
The Rageaholic	280K	68m
Mr H	263K	105m

Giving us views-per-sub rankings:

1	Mr H	399
2	Frog	289
3	Razorfist	243

So of the three, Mr H gets the most views relative to his subs, Razorfist gets the least, and Frog sits between them.

But what is the secret sauce for Youtube success?

It always comes back to this magical mythical algorithm.

There's clearly no doubt that every Youtuber is ultimately a slave, and their master is Abu Al-Gorithm of Google LLC.

Your views are determined by your recommendations, which are determined by the mysterious algorithm.

Now I hope I'm right in summarizing @FROG's algorithm theory, which I will call the 'Magic Words in ALL CAPS?!' theory.

This theory posits that magic words such as HUMILIATED and ERASED are so beloved by the algorithm, that they lead to a flowering of recommendations and subsequent clicks from excited viewers, no matter the subject.

I have to say I question this theory. I don't think a Doomcock video about getting the SD card on his phone ERASED would garner the same flurry of clicks as that video about Disney having the Sequel Trilogy ERASED, which I mentioned in a previous post. You remember, the video that beat Frog's whole year of videos in 24 hours, which currently sits at 158K despite being only four days old.

So going back to those videos I discussed, let me try and solve this great Mystery of the Youtube Algorithm.

If it's not MAGIC WORDS in ALL CAPS, then what...?

• Frog's top video this year: Dan Slott DISNEY+ documentary
• Doomcock's top video: Forthcoming DISNEY+ show rumors
• Doomcock's latest hit video: same as his top video, DISNEY+ SHOW PROMOTION

Does it take Hercule Poirot to solve this great mystery? This perplexing mystery of what content gets promoted by the powers-that-be, and their enigmatic algorithm?

Frog if you're having trouble, there's a big clue in ALL CAPS hidden in the list above, several times.

 

[Calandrino]

Starlord was always a ladies man. There was never any indication that he was into men. At least until Al Ewing started writing him. It's the same thing they did with Iceman. At least, with a character like Northstar, it wasn't too hard to believe that he would be into dudes but, Starlord? That's just the writer projecting his views onto the character

It sounds like the writer 1) being vindictive about Chris Pratt's irl problematic-ness and 2) self-inserting as the woman who's about to get Eiffel Towered by Chris Pratt and a Black guy

 

[scotts_warm_baionnaise]

It sounds like the writer 1) being vindictive about Chris Pratt's irl problematic-ness and 2) self-inserting as the woman who's about to get Eiffel Towered by Chris Pratt and a Black guy

The self-insertion narcissism angle is becoming such a goddamn noticeable problem with newer comic books.

The "I am not Starfire" crap is just one more example of this.

 

[GranDuke]

Starlord was always a ladies man. There was never any indication that he was into men. At least until Al Ewing started writing him. It's the same thing they did with Iceman. At least, with a character like Northstar, it wasn't too hard to believe that he would be into dudes but, Starlord? That's just the writer projecting his views onto the character

I know little about X-Men lore, but wasn't Northstar "turned" gay fairly early in his "existence"?