#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Smug Freiza]

I don't care. I would really like it to go away so we can continue to make fun of Donal.

Thank you.

I never really paid much attention to you on those streams, but from your posts here I can already tell I like you.

Welcome to the farms, I think you'll fit in here nicely.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

DOUG ERNST DM DUMP.

Reading this thru, you see Doug actively working to get something going here. "I haven't gone after you," says Ernst, leaving me to wonder why that's even a thought, "But I can tell you why people (Ernst himself) are mad! Kelsey said 'fuck Doug!" An implied threat that Doug will join others in "going after me."

It's also made clear that Ernst is harassing Mitch with multiple texts and calls about Kelsey's behavior, making Kelsey Mitch's problem. Mitch is trying to ignore them. Ernst tells me, "You may be able to save them from themselves" and they should "walk away from this fight" but it's not really clear that the Breitweisers are acting in any way except defensively. Mitch isn't exactly the kind of guy who makes drama videos tattling on other ComicsGaters, so what is Ernst even talking about? All of this is threatening language from Ernst.

I'm bewildered by this. There's only one message cut, and it's Doug giving me his phone number to call him so he can complain about Cecil blocking him over whatever was going on with Kelsey.

Calling Mitch a "hyperbolic diva" during this struck me as projection, but who knows? I still don't quite know what was going on here.

I read those DM's as a guy already under tremendous pressure now wondering if people who he thought were on his side also doing damage to him just for the LULZ and stream content. You of all people couldn't empathize with that or at least recognize it and talk him down a bit?

 

[cow-wannabe]

Holy shit, nothing happens for days and nows there's walls of text and tons of screen-caps to read. I only gave them a cursory glance, but I tend to switch off when someone mentions 'Doug', there are way too many of them associated with CG and my boomer brain has a tendancy to get confused.

Also, when did Kenny Rogers join Comicsgate and why is he arguing with one of the aforementioned Dougs?

 

[Kelsey]

Solid response K-dawg! Much better than the one by a certain pointy-nosed fatso on here.

However I've got to call you out on your counter-example, it shoots your own argument in the foot somewhat. Blake and Mortimer is actually a fantastic example of the Ligne Claire style, as well as being genuinely for kids, unlike Image comics which were more for low-intelligence, horny virgin comic readers, and not really suitable for kids if you care about growing good kids.

I actually love Blake and Mortimer, which is why I had it so handy. HAHA! But horny virgin American kids (And the Japanese I would say) want drama, violence, action, and lots of cool. If we could some how get a little of both good storytelling and in your face awesome, I'd be a happy man.

And being from the 1940s, Blake and Mortimer is literally done in a retro style. Born 1946, living on to the present day, new stuff still being published at the age of 55. Will people be buying Cyber Force, or Frog or whatever, fifty years from now? Will artists be working to carry on those wonderful, important legacies? Do those properties have ANYWHERE near the story potential of Blake and Mortimer, to last fifty plus years? I'll leave it to you to ponder the answer.

Europe embraces comics. America does not. Entire corporations in Europe and Japan give artists what they need to do their best work (Albeit in Japan they get absolutely no time where as European artists get all the time in the world to do master works. ) We don't get that luxury. Will and Mortimer and Tin TIn are kept in print constantly and given to children to read from an early age. But I would bet money that if you had that Cyberforce comic sitting right next to a Mortimer on a shelf and let that little French kid choose, they would go for the Cyberforce. They might get both. That's just a gut feeling though.

Also, McFarlane hardly 'owned da writas' as @FROG wishes he did, he got absolutely brutally humiliated in a court of law by Neil Gaiman, for being a hack and a ripoff artist and a jerk, and had to pay Gaiman a ton of money, and then Gaiman sold Angela to Marvel, just to really put the boot into his smashed-up face, nice and hard. @TheCosmicWarrior this is why you can't get the Spawn stuff that you mentioned you wanted recently, it's because Gaiman took McFarlane to court for underpaying him and ripping him off, and won, and so Gaiman got control of the characters he created in Spawn, and then sold them to Marvel as a hefty kick in the balls to McFarlane, a lasting, legally-binding kick, right hard in McFarlane's balls. And the judge made fun of him too.

So? What's that got to do with what we're talking about? Gayman is a cunt only liked by 14 year old goth girls.

Edited:

My personal feelings on which is better, European or American comics? Neither. The Japanese are kick all our asses right now. HAHA! No really, I like it all. I've dug through just about everything the medium has to offer and if there's one thing I'm certain of is that there is a LOT of crap and a handful of greats in every Country.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

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This is how he does it. Doug shit stirs behind the scenes and then tries to get people to react so he can be like "but but but I'm good moral Doug who everyone loves. You know what? I'm the bigger person. You have a nice day!" It's a shitty act. Dude is a faggot.

So? What's that got to do with what we're talking about? Gayman is a cunt only liked by 14 year old goth girls.

Based Kelsey. Both Gayman and Moore are shit and overrated.

 

[Carmina Burana]

Hmm, the timing on Doug deciding to "defend" Pellegrini from "evil Mitch," after @Kelsey dropped the DM's...


I saw the second tweet first, & I thought "slow-motion character assassination" was in reference to Kelsey's posts here.

Just an aside, but Doug comes across as a lecturing bitch in those DM's--"You're not sorry for the right reasons. Keep apologizing until I'm satisfied." It reads like Kelsey is being castigated by a chick he didn't call back

Thanks for stirring the shit pot, Kelsey You got under his skin

 

[Pilule Noire]

So? What's that got to do with what we're talking about? Gayman is a cunt only liked by 14 year old goth girls.

Sorry if it wasn't clear, my last paragraph was in response to @FROG's disingenuous and putzish portrayal of McFarlane 'owning da writas' and riding happily off into the sunset, when in reality he was mired in court cases for decades due to his own amateurish business practices, not just with Gaiman but also with a random hockey player that he stupidly used as the name of one of his characters, leading to many, many years of horrible legal nightmares.

Bringing things back to Comicsgate, I have to say my prognosis is not an ascent towards Franco-Belgian or Japanese excellence, but rather a further dragging down, under the weight of its own amateurishness, into a quagmire of more and more bad product, amidst dwindling revenues, fallen reputations, fractious breakups and squabbles, and lolsuits, and much misery. But there's always a chance I could be proven wrong! Not a very big chance though imo. But it will be funny, and so here I am. I believe it was you who once described Comicsgate as a dumpster fire undergoing a controlled burn. That's exactly what it is! With laser-precise insight like that, you may just be the writer-artist double threat that Comicsgate truly needs. That it lacks!

 

[Kelsey]

Sorry if it wasn't clear, my last paragraph was in response to @FROG's disingenuous and putzish portrayal of McFarlane 'owning da writas' and riding happily off into the sunset, when in reality he was mired in court cases for decades due to his own amateurish business practices, not just with Gaiman but also with a random hockey player that he stupidly used as the name of one of his characters, leading to many, many years of horrible legal nightmares.

Oh, my bad. HAHA! I was wondering where that was coming from.

Bringing things back to Comicsgate, I have to say my prognosis is not an ascent towards Franco-Belgian or Japanese excellence, but rather a further dragging down, under the weight of its own amateurishness, into a quagmire of more and more bad product, amidst dwindling revenues, fallen reputations, fractious breakups and squabbles, and lolsuits, and much misery. But there's always a chance I could be proven wrong! Not a very big chance though imo. But it will be funny, and so here I am. I believe it was you who once described Comicsgate as a dumpster fire undergoing a controlled burn. That's exactly what it is! With laser-precise insight like that, you may just be the writer-artist double threat that Comicsgate truly needs. That it lacks!

Was this one for me? I don't remember calling it "a dumpster fire undergoing a controlled burn." That's clever if I did say it. HAHA!

Everyone CAN make a comic, but it doesn't mean that comic will be good.

With the rampant gate keeping in comics and everywhere else, Comicsgate at the very least fosters an environment in which you are free to try. No one ever said you'd be successful. But you have a chance.

I'm here for the comic fan (customer) because until I heard Zack talking about it... I didn't really think much about them. I knew I was making stuff for them, but never bothered to really get close to them. I still view myself as a fan. It was like a lightbulb going off in my head. From that point on, I've been trying to correct that oversight on my part.

I was working at Archie, and doing my own Image book, talking with pros in Facebook groups seeing other pros being attacked and fired, etc. That didn't set well with me either and I had to take some kind of stand. Not trying to toot my own horn or anything, I was just paying attention.

So yeah, it hurts when OG CG, the Youtube reviewers start turning their backs on CG saying the pros are trying to make it all about them. I never saw it that way. We came in like Gandalf at Helms Deep, ready to make things for a hungry audience and to have their backs and they having ours.

Everything has gotten all screwed around through pride, greed, arrogance, and just plain old stupidity.

As far as I'm concerned, we are all still in this to achieve a certain goal. Let's get on it.

And I don't know if I'm THAT writer/ artist that CG and comics need, but I'm going to give it a shot. At the very least I would like you to have fun. So we'll see.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Here's where I show he's full of shit.

I liked Doug and after saying "Fuck Doug" I felt bad and went to apologize to him. Example:

Bro. I love Kelsey now.

F doug ernst. This dude is completely soybased.

Doug is small time. I'm a fucking 25 year veteran of the comic wars. He doesn't even rate on my fucking chart.

I'm DYING. F doug ernst.

I read those DM's as a guy already under tremendous pressure now wondering if people who he thought were on his side also doing damage to him just for the LULZ and stream content. You of all people couldn't empathize with that or at least recognize it and talk him down a bit?

I don't know what more Ethan or Kelsey could have said to the dude. @Kelsey was nothing but nice to him in those dms we just saw, and @FROG talked to him extensively in dms and on the phone.

ernst is just sperging out because he's a dummy.

Based Kelsey. Both Gayman and Moore are shit and overrated.

Agreed.

Anyways, doug ernst dm drop myself. He was getting fake offended when I sent him a tweet about donal.

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

Doug did come off as very feminine sounding in those DMs

*EDIT* I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to find out he is a male feminist

 

[Kelsey]

Bro. I love Kelsey now.

F doug ernst. This dude is completely soybased.

I'm DYING. F doug ernst.

I don't know what more Ethan or Kelsey could have said to the dude. @Kelsey was nothing but nice to him in those dms we just saw, and @FROG talked to him extensively in dms and on the phone.

ernst is just sperging out because he's a dummy.

Agreed.

Anyways, doug ernst dm drop myself. He was getting fake offended when I sent him a tweet about donal.
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Nasser, you hurt me when you tried to make it out that I was doing you wrong. That was never my intention.
I spent a lot of time with you to try and help you level up, but you were very resistant to advice. I have so little time for myself these days, I'm certainly not going to waste on someone not willing to listen.

I'm a pretty simple guy. You treat me good, I'll treat you good.

My issues with finishing work with Doug T was between he and I and had nothing to do with you.

Anyway, I don't hold grudges. But I will poke at you every now and again. HAHA! Just know it's all in fun.

I tried to make it clear in a couple livestreams at the time that I'm not cool with Donal withholding money from you. I've also still not gotten my copy of the book and I colored the fucking cover.

Having said that, I'm not going to use that as a reason to fuck with Donal. He'll get what's coming to him if he keeps fucking around with customers and peers.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I tried to make it clear in a couple livestreams at the time that I'm not cool with Donal withholding money from you. I've also still not gotten my copy of the book and I colored the fucking cover.

My new theory is that instead of licking the 1st-class stamps for the Gemini's he forgets what he's doing and just eats them. Plausible.

 

[Unverified]

The complaints you guys are making about shit books being made is a feature of CG, not a bug. There are no gatekeepers to green-light or red-light titles in the self-publishing space, anyone can start a crowd-fund. That's the price you have to pay for removing the gatekeepers in the woke corporate world.

Yeah, that's a fair point. The only real barrier of entry to CG is the decision to call yourself CG. There are some other social factors, like seeing which "faction" of CG you fall into or where you are accepted, but it's CG all the same. Obviously this differs from Marvel or DC, as you don't have to be hired by ComicsGate to promote your book as such. So perhaps I shouldn't prop up "ComicsGate" as a potential alternative to the mainstream. It'll be the companies like ALL CAPS that might offer that alternative as they continue to develop, and of course those companies will have gatekeepers by nature. If we get enough of these indie companies putting out high-quality books and bringing in new readers, that'll probably be the best success we can hope for in CG.

 

[FROG]

I read those DM's as a guy already under tremendous pressure now wondering if people who he thought were on his side also doing damage to him just for the LULZ and stream content. You of all people couldn't empathize with that or at least recognize it and talk him down a bit?

What "tremendous pressure" was Doug Ernst under that any of us weren't?

You don't read my comments to him as empathetic? I was trying to find out why he was acting the way he was, and what was going on. I was entirely sincere. But it soon became clear that Kelsey was only a cudgel being used to get at someone's real target, which was Mitch Breitweiser.

Why was all of this happening? Because the Breitweisers fired Pellegrini from RED ROOSTER.

For that, all associates and apparent friends of the Breitweisers would be treated to a two year long temper tantrum of gay ops from Pellegrini's boyfriend Tim Lim.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

I'm a pretty simple guy. You treat me good, I'll treat you good.

I can confirm. Even when I was on the outs with a lot of folk, Kelsey was always nice with me we never had any problems. Plus his art's good.

 

[Rupin]

I got Nasser’s ASYL today. He delivers at a reasonable time. That’s great. It came with a trading card, a patch and a sticker. Those are great too. I love mcguffins.

The book itself however, I have mixed feelings with. It‘s black and white, but we all knew that from the get go. The cover paper quality is standard but the pages feel more like they belong in a coloring book than in an actual comic. I don’t know if that’s what Nasser was going for and if I missed the memo or what. I didn’t dig it too much. I suppose, if I had gotten a second copy then the book would be great to test my coloring skills since the book is just black and white with no grey tone shading.

The story itself, was hard to follow at times, especially the end. Nasser, You are going to have to explain that to me cuz that shit really came out of left field. Basically she is running around in a fever dream having visions and reader is left to figure out what is real and what is not. There is very little character dialogue and no exposition to help the reader to figure out what is going. Most of the story is told by action and dreamlike sequences and the reader is left to piece together what is going on. Only the story is so disjointed that it‘s very hard to do that. I dont want to give away any spoilers in case anyone else here got the book and I hate to sound like I’m bashing Nasser cuz I actually like the guy but, I gotta be honest. His comic writing skills need a lot of work especially since it looks like he tried to fit a novel inside a twenty page book.

I think this book could have benefited from a colorist and a few more pages to help further flesh out the story.



I can’t really recommend the book but, I will say if you, Nasser, are going to do another comic like this, then take more time writing the script out. The story felt super rushed. Also, spend a little more money on a better artist. Vic’s art feels too stiff and static and doesn’t really do a good job of conveying the story‘s action sequences, especially when it looks like the character is not really sure herself what is going on in the story. See if you can get that Spawn guy to do another book for you.

 

[FROG]

Sorry if it wasn't clear, my last paragraph was in response to @FROG's disingenuous and putzish portrayal of McFarlane 'owning da writas' and riding happily off into the sunset, when in reality he was mired in court cases for decades due to his own amateurish business practices, not just with Gaiman but also with a random hockey player that he stupidly used as the name of one of his characters, leading to many, many years of horrible legal nightmares.

And I still remember Todd McFarlane's name, as DC Comics licenses him all of their characters for toys, and his comics have often, lately, topped the sales charts. He's still Todd McFarlane, a multimillionaire success story, and someone who others aspire to sue.

Where are Peter David and John Byrne now?

 

[Analog Devolved]

DOUG ERNST DM DUMP.

Reading this thru, you see Doug actively working to get something going here. "I haven't gone after you," says Ernst, leaving me to wonder why that's even a thought, "But I can tell you why people (Ernst himself) are mad! Kelsey said 'fuck Doug!" An implied threat that Doug will join others in "going after me."

It's also made clear that Ernst is harassing Mitch with multiple texts and calls about Kelsey's behavior, making Kelsey Mitch's problem. Mitch is trying to ignore them. Ernst tells me, "You may be able to save them from themselves" and they should "walk away from this fight" but it's not really clear that the Breitweisers are acting in any way except defensively. Mitch isn't exactly the kind of guy who makes drama videos tattling on other ComicsGaters, so what is Ernst even talking about? All of this is threatening language from Ernst.

I'm bewildered by this. There's only one message cut, and it's Doug giving me his phone number to call him so he can complain about Cecil blocking him over whatever was going on with Kelsey.

Calling Mitch a "hyperbolic diva" during this struck me as projection, but who knows? I still don't quite know what was going on here.

Holy fuck this is some autistic bullshit.

Since we talk about Ernst, let me tell you something.
Back in late January I was in Preston's discord in a voice call.
The people in there were Preston, Doug Ernst, Bean from PA, my alt and a nobody.
I was in there for 30 minutes and all they, mostly Preston and Ernst did was crying about you how evil, bad, and such a bully you are.
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So the sped girl that Trump retweeted, a newspaper guy who gay cries to Ethan, and the dude that got cucked by Leroy and licked his own poo off a giant black dildo.

Sounds like an awesome discord server. Come for the gay ops, stay for the gay porn.

My personal feeling, my suspicion, is that this situation was either set up, or later exploited, to stir up a fight between me and Ernst for the benefit of someone else.

We all benefit whenever there's a massive spergout and a behind the scenes autistic slap fight goes public.

Literally nobody noticed this except for a couple of retards here on KF, which makes me fairly sure it was them, or that it was Tim Lim himself, (who seems to have stirred up this mess to begin with.)

We always notice. All of this sped behavior has been on the radar for ages and when you factor in massive faggots like Matthew "TUG" Lewis even more people from other subforums start watching and potentially get involved.

You got trolled by a dude called "Shadow king" lmao.

Fine. Fuck it. Let's get to the bottom of this.

Then the D&Q things happened. I saw people having fun and went to join in for like 2 minutes. 2 minutes that we are still talking about today. I try to pop into as many CG streams as I can to like and boost their numbers, but I don't have a lot of time. I popped in and they were talking about Pussy. "I like Pussy" which I'm finding difficult to see how they connected that with hate speech towards George and trying to ruin Doug's campaign. No, they USED that as a weapon because of who I am and who I work with.

Edwin came to me the morning after I went on to the War Campaign show and said "I like Pussy," again having no idea who George Iiannoppolllis was or that anything was going on at all. I honestly didn't follow a lot of the trash being slung around and still don't pay all that much attention. So Edwin was upset, which I understood. He was confused how I can be friends with him and them jump on them with WC. I didn't know. I apologized.

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT about Doug or his lame ass comics. I hope he makes millions of dollars. What do I fucking care?! Jesus Christ he's a fucking hard on. Doug is small time. I'm a fucking 25 year veteran of the comic wars. He doesn't even rate on my fucking chart. He is a nat splatting on my windshield.

He picked this fight and if it's true what I was told, him using me to attack our investors and Mitch, then Doug is no better than the SJW trash he pretends to fight against.

Lol it's pretty gay they tried to use your based comments to screw with the wal-mart deal but to be 100% real with you that deal was fucked the second Mitch signed the dotted line.

The Allegiance Arts investors? Lol a sucker is born every minute. Mitch conned some rich people out of money leveraging money he got from a crowdfund.

I laugh at the rich people losing money but it makes me mad that stupid fag Mitch and Betty (who we all want to fuck raw dog) have dicked around for 3 years on a comic book.

I'm pretty sure if you gave me 200k I could have gone to and graduated from art school and drawn the comic myself in less time.

You seem like a guy I could pass the weed to and you would pass it back. I wouldn't piss on fire to put Mitch out.

My new theory is that instead of licking the 1st-class stamps for the Gemini's he forgets what he's doing and just eats them. Plausible.

Donal could have hand delivered them to every US address in the time since that fat pizza cuck claimed to have mailed them out back in October.

What "tremendous pressure" was Doug Ernst under that any of us weren't?

You don't read my comments to him as empathetic? I was trying to find out why he was acting the way he was, and what was going on. I was entirely sincere. But it soon became clear that Kelsey was only a cudgel being used to get at someone's real target, which was Mitch Breitweiser.

Why was all of this happening? Because the Breitweisers fired Pellegrini from RED ROOSTER.

For that, all associates and apparent friends of the Breitweisers would be treated to a two year long temper tantrum of gay ops from Pellegrini's boyfriend Tim Lim.

People hate Mitch because he's a fucking snake. I'm glad he gets gay opped. While slim Jim and his hot wife visit epsteins Island and crow about their clearance rack Walmart books Tim Lim has drawn like 6 comics. Tim Lim might be a master of gay internet shenanigans but at least he's a also a master at actually getting books to backers. Red Rooster went from 25 dollars, to 5 dollars, to fifty cents before the book even came out. What the fuck kind of shit is that?

 

[NasserRabadi13]

the pages feel more like they belong in a coloring book than in an actual comic.

First time I've heard this. Stardust, Trixie, and Asyl were all printed on standard paper from my printer.

Nasser, You are going to have to explain that to me cuz the shit really came out of left field.

It's the merging of dreams and reality. Like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. The book is supposed to be an homage to the German Expressionist silent films of the 1920s, and lost films.

You're supposed to come to your own conclusion of what's real or not. For a more modern day comparison, think Mulholland Drive or Lost Highway.

In either of those my interpretation is that that each of the main characters is having a dream or fantasy of what they wish their life was like. But each of those has 40 theories.

I suppose you could say that in Asyl, Lena is an insane woman in an asylum, but has this dream of being a normal person with a husband and a home. However, she can never escape her reality, and thus the ending.

His comic writing skills need a lot of work e

I dont know if you read my other comics but i'll send you PDFs if you want. Most people think Trixie and Stardust have been better than Asyl. Could just be most people arent vibing with an homage to lost and silent film from 1920s Germany.

See if you can get that Spawn guy to do another book for you.

Not to shill, but me and Jason are relaunching one week from today.


Sorry you didnt enjoy Asyl--but thank you for backing, and I hope you enjoy what I do next.

Next up is SCP, then Trixie 2, then Twilight Witch, then The Voynich Horror.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

What "tremendous pressure" was Doug Ernst under that any of us weren't?

You don't read my comments to him as empathetic? I was trying to find out why he was acting the way he was, and what was going on. I was entirely sincere. But it soon became clear that Kelsey was only a cudgel being used to get at someone's real target, which was Mitch Breitweiser.

Why was all of this happening? Because the Breitweisers fired Pellegrini from RED ROOSTER.

For that, all associates and apparent friends of the Breitweisers would be treated to a two year long temper tantrum of gay ops from Pellegrini's boyfriend Tim Lim.

He was fulfilling and closing a campaign. I don't know his crowdfund history, just assumed he was new to it at the time? I imagine that's pretty stressful with the feeling that your whole future is on the line. At least that's what I got from following your early crowdfunds. That's how I mentally framed those DM's.

I don't think any of it was your fault just thought you would've empathized and caught on that he probably misunderstood your co-star's humor and not held it against him. Of course that's the price of that period's "Just joking, but not really" attitude toward everything by the CG heavyweights at the time and none of us are aware of all the behind-the-scenes drama and discussions that were undoubtedly happening then either. Surely there's still more to the story.