#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Rupin said:
Basically, Mister Dongs found out that the College of the Dead books and the Mermaid books were originally webtoons written by sjw creators a few years back and Adam was passing it off as his work. Now, we can understand why the page formatting was the way it was for those books because it was meant to be viewed on a computer screen and not a comic book.

So when Frog found out about this, he said that Adam Post is no longer invited to his show until he came up with a book that he himself fully created and not someone else’s work that he is passing off as his own.
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I remember the first time I saw Adam on Frog's show. He seemed like a nice guy(even if he was as boring as watching paint dry) so I checked out his campaigns. I wasn't interested in either of them, but did notice that he had no writing or art credit on either one. I just figured it was like what Ro did for Vestige or that Evoluzione guy does for people sometimes. Basically nothing but set up the campaign, promote it and maybe fulfill it. Oh and don't forget "editing", which some have pointed out is pretty much nothing near what that title implies.

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Mister Dongs said:
After a run of videos telling people angry at his multiple overdue crowdfund to refund his books and complaining about customers, Richard C Meyer continues cementing his Animal Farm-esque transformation into the two-legged pig by rallying his acolytes against the SJW mob coming against Nick Spencer for writing Secret Empire, described by 2017 Ya Boi Zack a "mean, condescending, bitter person that holds himself above other people" and Secret Empire as a comic that "destroyed Marvel's reputation and directly antagonized its customers"

As you the reader may recall, in Comicsgate's early days, following the Trump election much of the outrage expressed itself in railing against Secret Empire and Nick Spencer's smearing in comics of all Trump supporters as fascists, his critics as stupid racists on social media, and later one of the ringleaders in the blacklisting of anyone supportive or sympathetic towards Comicsgate as "alt-right Nazis". That should be ignored because, in Meyer's words, "his comics sell well" (false, but it's not like Spencer has ever retracted or apologized for anything) but that calling Nick Spencer a Nazi himself is the ultimate evil, going so far as to reference "the banality of evil". He wants to call the SJW calling people Nazis the real Nazis, but can't, lest the viewer remember that Nick Spencer, who he is calling on his audience to support, is himself the textbook definition of what's being described.

What's the cause of this about face? Why should Nick Spencer be protected from the environment he himself cultivated? The simplest explanation is that in the past he had the perspective of an outsider looking in, while now Meyer sees Nick Spencer as a "fellow professional" and a peer, unlike the losers and outsiders (both customer and creator) who rallied behind Meyer when he called on them; their receiving of the same treatment from Spencer is apparently beneath consideration.

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others, I guess.
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I disagree with this take, and this is probably because YBZ's videos can lose the plot with his segways into gardening and breakfast tacos so some videos are a rorscharch test and different watchers can get different interpretations.
To me, it felt like he was mad at the twitterati throwing shit around like a lobotomized monkey and kind of forgot to say "Nick Spencer, these are your people, you deserve eachother". And it mostly comes from people doing the same to him a couple years ago.
 
Newman's Own said:
You might care a little to much.


I did a search. The campaign doesn't mention macrophilia or GTS fetish at all.

If people want a refund because they found out it's for perverts then refunds should be given. Isn't CG supposed to be about customer service? LOL


Thanks. I never saw that. If they read the PDF and decide it's something they weren't interested in after all then they should get a refund. IGG is set up for this.

If they know exactly what it's about and still want it then they won't refund.

Why is this a controversial opinion?


If you go to a hotdog stand looking for a 🌭 and they are offering something perverted and strange instead it's okay to want your money back when you realize that's not the hotdog experience you were expecting. And the pervs can support it if they want. If there aren't enough pervs to support it then the hotdog stand should seek a different clientele more amenable to perversion.

If that many people in CG knew that's what it was and are into macrophilia then that's hilarious and should be mocked openly here and everywhere.

If to many refund then the book won't reach the goal and everyone will get refunded. That's how IGG does things.

But his numbers are going up since yesterday so it's more likely than CG is a haven for degenerate macrphiliacs than degenerate comic refunders which is also entertaining. :lit:


Not if it was never meant to be funded in the first place.

I'm sure this guys book was already paid for by one or more deep pocketed macrophiliacs out there. That's how these fetish things are usually funded.

He's likely looking to CG for extra money and good for him if he is. And why not if that's their thing? But nobody owes it to him.


There was a $1000 fixed goal.



You forgot diminutive men emerging out of their asses.
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I suspect it's already done (and creative production funded by other means) or nearly so.
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I thought you were moving on?

Anyway, yeah. Dis-con-certing.

Mister Dongs said:
After a run of videos telling people angry at his multiple overdue crowdfund to refund his books and complaining about customers, Richard C Meyer continues cementing his Animal Farm-esque transformation into the two-legged pig by rallying his acolytes against the SJW mob coming against Nick Spencer for writing Secret Empire, described by 2017 Ya Boi Zack a "mean, condescending, bitter person that holds himself above other people" and Secret Empire as a comic that "destroyed Marvel's reputation and directly antagonized its customers"

As you the reader may recall, in Comicsgate's early days, following the Trump election much of the outrage expressed itself in railing against Secret Empire and Nick Spencer's smearing in comics of all Trump supporters as fascists, his critics as stupid racists on social media, and later one of the ringleaders in the blacklisting of anyone supportive or sympathetic towards Comicsgate as "alt-right Nazis". That should be ignored because, in Meyer's words, "his comics sell well" (false, but it's not like Spencer has ever retracted or apologized for anything) but that calling Nick Spencer a Nazi himself is the ultimate evil, going so far as to reference "the banality of evil". He wants to call the SJW calling people Nazis the real Nazis, but can't, lest the viewer remember that Nick Spencer, who he is calling on his audience to support, is himself the textbook definition of what's being described.

What's the cause of this about face? Why should Nick Spencer be protected from the environment he himself cultivated? The simplest explanation is that in the past he had the perspective of an outsider looking in, while now Meyer sees Nick Spencer as a "fellow professional" and a peer, unlike the losers and outsiders (both customer and creator) who rallied behind Meyer when he called on them; their receiving of the same treatment from Spencer is apparently beneath consideration.

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others, I guess.
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First he apes Kelly Sue, then defends Nick Spencer. What next, Gabby Rivera and G willow Wilson?

FROG said:
Just read 499. Aside from the unnecessarily garish colors which add absolutely nothing, it's great. Surprise.



It's strange that this has to be reiterated over and over and over again. There's still this notion that ComicsGate is meant to be about "sticking it to the SJWs" and that buying CG books is "owning the SJWs."

1. We actively recommend NOT supporting media created by people who hate you. So the SJW comics boycott is encouraged. Closing your wallet is our recommendation for "owning the SJWs".

2. The idea behind ComicsGate as a creative/business enterprise is simply to establish a network thru which comics can be created and sold without SJW interference. It's not to say, "buying CYBERFROG hurts SJWs", it's to say that because of SJWs, CYBERFROG wouldn't be allowed to exist if it weren't for ComicsGate. SJWs would threaten anyone in the mainstream who got close to it. They have done so.

Blacklisted comics creators wouldn't be able to create and fund new comics and find success without it. That doesn't mean that they WILL find success, but it's an opportunity to try.

No one is or should be saying that ComicsGaters must support CG comics in order to fight SJWs. The existence of ComicsGate means that we've already beaten the SJWs. Customers should purchase what they think looks cool, or support the creators they want to support for their own reasons.
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Oh, Ethan. Trying to dab because four or five CGtards gave 499 good reviews? People gave America Chavez good reviews, it's first issue has an aggregate 8.4 rating...

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He posted this on twitter, but omits my favorite of these. Of the four or five positive reviews from people who probably still reflexively giggle when Richard talks about breakfast tacos, my favorite of the five is the one declaring 499 the greatest comic evar worthy of siting alongside Watchman!

Truly Frog. Check and Mate!

Newman's Lovechild said:
I missed the Adam Post drama. Does anyone care to provide the CliffsNotes version for someone too lazy to type A-D-A-M-P-O-S-T into search?



Naziception. :stress:



The only one hurt by a customer buying CG books is the customer themselves.



'Slavish loyalty to a hashtag'. CG in a nutshell.

Adding to that: the metaphor of the hot dog stand is an old one. At this point I think CG is more like a lemonade stand. It's run by someone naive and inexperienced, they don't really know what they're doing. The actual product is nothing to go out of your way for, it's just sugar and flavoring in water. You buy it because you want to encourage the seller in their token effort to play the role of plucky underdog, taking on the big bad corporate world. Aw, bless their heart. If you don't buy their crappy product, they might pout.

The biggest difference in CG is that the gap between the seller's innocence and the buyer's understanding is a lot narrower. There's also at least one big exception to that comparison, but it still involves a certain amount of pity-buying.



This might explain one book every two to three years.
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At this point its on them.

FROG said:
Boy do I hate some of you.

BTW, DAMEGANG is at $6390! Great looking comic! No wonder.
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Analog Devolved said:
Remember the first fetish comic of CG was little girl lethal of slick jimmy love infame. Ethan is a big fan of Slick Jimmy.
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To be fair, Jimmy rejected CG early on after conning them of their money.
 
Strix454 said:
I think this is part of Richard mentally checking out of crowdfunding comics. I suspect he really believes that if he simps for Nick Spencer now that there is some chance that he can realize his real dream and work for marvel. Its not happening.....

He has been losing his mind for the last several weeks. Between his late books and these sorts of crazy videos, his audience is going to be evaporating. Nobody wants to hear this sort of stuff from Richard. Its kind of like the end of the old movie "Network" where Peter Finch's character (Howard Beale) starts giving depressing sermons to the tv audience for his program. In "Network" the solution was in the end for the TV network to arrange Beale's assassination to save the tv program.

Maybe one of the CG elders needs to sit down with Richard and tell him its time to go back to his IT job.
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Zack working for Marvel is only slightly less likely than him going back to his IT job. As he has rightly pointed out, these people are mentally ill weirdos who want to see their enemies homeless, unemployable, and suicidal. Any job Zack gets will be set upon by an army of loons asking the HR department at Company X why they would hire a known white supremacist, alt-right fascist, racist, etc. He's a potential liability to nearly any employer.
Him seemingly waving the white flag is so puzzling because he's already paid the price for his involvement with Comicsgate. Nothing Zack says or does (short of publicly denouncing Frog) is going to divorce him from CG in the minds of his supporters or his enemies. Particularly since he keeps on producing content about SJW Twitter shit.

The Howard Beale analogy is pretty apt, though. I'd go so far as to say Beale's slide into madness may be less depressing than Zack's. Howard Beale was mad in both definitions of the word. He was crazy, yes, but his rants were driven by a genuine anger at the state of society and the external forces shaping the modern human condition. He was put down for "meddling with the primal forces of nature" and letting his ratings slide after.

Late stage Zack reflects Beale's transformation after his dressing down from Arthur Jensen in the boardroom regarding his "meddling". After this point, Beale just becomes a sad, depressing evangelist for the status quo and the dehumanization of his audience.
Zack has gone from firebrand to flameout, seeming to defend the people he once railed against while offering little in the way of honest personal commentary beyond his musings on how much joy he gets from seeing garbage trucks and wondering why Arby's gets such a bad reputation.
 
I don’t think it matters that it’s Nick Spencer. Zack is disgusted by these SJWs, and he’s saying that what they’re doing shouldn’t be done to anyone. Even Spencer, who helped create this culture in comics. Their casual, self amused technique for destroying their victims is absolutely vile.
 
FROG said:
It's strange that this has to be reiterated over and over and over again. There's still this notion that ComicsGate is meant to be about "sticking it to the SJWs" and that buying CG books is "owning the SJWs."
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If you find it strange or obnoxious, it's only because a number of the ComicsGate faithful still seem to believe precisely that.

Come on Ethan. Even you have to admit a significant number of your own fans/viewers have completely missed the plot. They'll readily open their wallets out of some sort of misguided sense that they're warriors in the culture war.

FROG said:
No one is or should be saying that ComicsGaters must support CG comics in order to fight SJWs. The existence of ComicsGate means that we've already beaten the SJWs. Customers should purchase what they think looks cool, or support the creators they want to support for their own reasons.
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I agree. Mostly.

But do the people that watch your show get it? What you miss is that plenty of people believe they're fighting the SJWs, if not outright saying that.
 
FROG said:
I don’t think it matters that it’s Nick Spencer. Zack is disgusted by these SJWs, and he’s saying that what they’re doing shouldn’t be done to anyone. Even Spencer, who helped create this culture in comics. Their casual, self amused technique for destroying their victims is absolutely vile.
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You'll get no argument from me as to the vileness of SJW tactics, but let's not pretend it isn't karmic retribution. I'm not sure why Zack feels like he's above calling this what it is, which is Spencer reaping what he has sown. You don't necessarily have to take joy in it happening, but Zack acting like he feels bad for Nick Spencer isn't some kind of higher moral position. The "high ground" in these culture war skirmishes means not engaging in their vile tactics; them eating their own with the same tactics shouldn't be met with anything less than an "I told you so".

Nobody watching Zack's content is sitting there going "Poor Nick Spencer, he doesn't deserve being crushed by this monster he fed". You can say that he doesn't deserve what's happening, but I'd argue that he is at least as undeserving of sympathy for it.
 
I'll confess. I backed DAMEGANG after EVS mentioned it. I like campy sexploitation type stuff; the less seriously that it takes itself, the better. I'll give it a shot.
 
Time for another Comicsgate News Update

FROM CREATORGO
There isn't much to report since our last update on the current crop of new Comicsgate projects. The number of projects increased from 93 to 95, not including failures listed below, proving that the torrent of new books has now slowed to a trickle. The two new projects achieved funding so there's no reason to list them below, additionally two books from our To Watch List also achieved funding and will be removed. The two books that were spared from the CG graveyard were Rammur 1 and Twisted Fairy Tales.

Previous Failures
The Current Plane Comic #1
Pillowman and Blanketboy Comic-- Second Chance!
KINETIC
Cross Comics coloring book
Melvin #1
Everlasting Survivors Volume 1 Graphic Novel
The Tome Of Reckoning
Chateau Obsidian #3
EVERMATTER: Conscript
The Oswald Chronicles: My Time With Clive 1-4
Zener: Master of the Mind Vol 1
Wahid 2: Dawn of Evil (taken down)
Hexwood: Dust and Ashes
Wulfsbane- Issue 1
Skipt - Seeds of Power
Columns of Creation Vol 1: Down To Earth

Campaigns to Watch
Angel's Awakening
Sinsationals Trilogy Superhero comic new cover
Octopus Cowboy #1
Freelancers Relaunch Welcome Back (no tiers, will fail)
Forerunner issue #1

FROM INDIEGOGO
The latest campaign taking Comicsgate, and this thread, by storm is the newly launched DAMEGANG book by Billy Nunez. While being ridiculed by some in the thread, the book offers 88 pages for the almost universal price of $25 plus shipping, which almost provides twice the content when compared to your standard 48 page CG book. The book follows three giantess women as they gain powers after coming in contact with an ancient artifact. The comic's promotion has been met with some criticism, perhaps unfairly so, given that several coomer comics have already been promoted by Comicsgate including Blue Mamba, Super Harem and LURE to name a few. The book is currently sitting at $6,390 from 138 backers with 54 days remaining on the campaign.


The following section will be condensed so as not to be as long as the updates in this segment usually are:
FROM THE TWITTERVERSE
Several days ago industry pro Scott Kurtz decided to put out a tweet insulting FROG about self published pull-quotes on his own products.


In response FROG took the time to remind his followers that Scott Kurtz has an unfulfilled Kickstarter campaign to the tune of $123,000 and pulled some choice quotes from backers of the campaign.


One of the ankle biters who was in the comment section couldn't help but nip at FROG's heels by calling him a nazi. The Caesar of Comicsgate wasn't having it and delivered a killing blow. THOT PATROLLED.

In less confrontational news FROG has also been retweeting happy backers who have received their Salamandroid PVC figures from the REKT PLANET campaign. It would appear that the figures are being fulfilled ahead of the book, which this reporter assumes must be a nightmare when calculating the shipping bill.


In non FROG news our very own VIKKIVERSE retweeted an account that turned out to be dedicated to a new channel run by her and DA Talks. The new channel features a promotional video which will be linked below, presumably the CGDG videos will now take place on this channel as opposed to formerly jumping from channel to channel each week.


FROM YOUTUBE
As mentioned above DA Talks and VIKKIVERSE have created a new channel called D & V Investigations which I'm guessing will host their weekly CGDG streams (correct me if I'm wrong @VIkkiVerse). The channel's promotional video features a number of quotes from TUG, Liam Gray and even a close out endorsement from FROG.

Yellowflash continues to report on the domination of manga over the western comic book industry, informing his viewers that the sales data from May shows no slowdown in the Japanese advance. The top 20 chart shows that "Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia and more are embarrassing Marvel and DC comics."

Not everyone is pleased with Yellowflash as the people's champion, The Patriot Hut, did a series of videos calling out the CG and Weeb Wars veteran. The first video features the Hut filming his laptop, efapping Flash's videos, it's amazing that several years into Youtubing the people's champion hasn't discovered the miracle of OBS.

The second video is even worse, even for the Hut. The Hut goes into a five minute rant about how Yellowflash never says "hello" and how YF thinks he's better than the Hut for having a larger sub count. The Hut lets slip that the motivation for this video was Flash mentioning the people's champion on a recent livestream.

In a breaking video Comics by Perch covers the recent rumors circulating online that Tim Drake has been revealed to be a bi-sexual.

Michael Bancroft, creator of The Lucent mentioned in our Indiegogo update section, streamed a celebration stream for reaching 800 backers on his campaign. Bancroft and his cohost were joined by Jon Malin, Shane Davis and Eric Weathers to help him celebrate.

If the previous stream of milquetoast CG content creator Bancroft wasn't enough for you, Sweetcast also put out a video informing creators of the potential mistakes to be made during crowdfunding a campaign. Stoker then compares four CG books; Cyberfrog Bloodhoney, Only Death Can Save Us, Red Rooster and Jawbreakers: Godking and the difficulties each creator experienced during the campaign. Stoker however completely unaware forgot another Crowdfund killer, releasing a new book when your old book remains unfulfilled.

Finally we have a recent video from Ya Boi Zack, or Simple Zack as he is more affectionately(?) known here on the farms, this final video will be accompanied by a Dongsesque writeup and my thoughts on what is being said.

CROWDFUNDING 101 - The 3 Different Types Of Customers


The video begins with a brief update on the status of controversial Narzack book 499, of which the art style and coloring has generated much debate both on and off site. Zack then skips the traditional small talk of his time in the marines and love of breakfast burritos and dives right into the topic of the video: Customers. Zack quickly explains to the viewer that "there are three types of customers" and gives a general description of what he previously believed they were in the past.

Customers - Zack explains that the definition of a customer has evolved in his mind, it used to include potential customers, customers who are currently buying your books and former customers. Then Zack had an epiphany that this analysis was wrong, because creators are changing, customers are changing and the entire world is constantly in a state of change. Zack then states there are writers he loves but no longer buys their books because he knows what to expect from them and this is why he likes to surprise people with books like 499 and Rock and Roll Ninjas.​

Anti-Customers - anti customers are obviously self evident, Zack explains that these people are never going to buy your stuff and additionally they will attempt to harm you and your business. Zack then goes on to say that the best bulwark against anti-customers is customers so that "whenever someone says your late, they say yeah he's late but he's always delivered." Zack further goes on to explain that ignoring these people is your best defense as arguing with them is a waste of your time.​

Uncustomers - in the final and perhaps most insulting description, Zack explains that un-costumers are very similar to anti-customers except for they actually do back your book, albeit for malicious reasons. Zack further elaborates by stating these customers back to "have some kind of hold over you" or "they can give you orders and treat you like shit". Zack then makes a comparison of himself to a McDonalds fast food worker and feels he has become a punching bag for people with their own issues who are taking it out on him.​

Zack then finishes by summarizing that customers are great, anti-customers are weird stalkers to be ignored and uncustomers are people who buy your product to treat you like shit and make a scene. Zack then closes with the traditional "tell me what you think of this video" and I plan on doing so below, not before archiving the video in a spoiler below given his new trend of privating his videos.


This video is just another example in the continuing trend of every-bodies former best boy Zack's transformation into someone completely unrecognizable in 2021. It was back in February of this year I created a post titled The Tale of Simple Zack: Terminal Decline, in which I responded to a video he put out where he was completely dumbfounded at why Rock N Roll Ninjas was performing poorly compared to his previous books. The video shows Zack's complete lack of self-awareness and inability to look at himself critically as he attempted to explain away his own decline by blaming crowdfunding as a whole, despite the fact comic book crowdfunding profits are increasing as a whole and with many creators outperforming their previous books. My key points for his decline were summarized as followed; a lack of user engagement (no twitter or livestreams), sloppy campaign pages (lack of page art, page counts, stretch goals etc), terribly received books (Pandemic, Ballad of No, Iron Sights), unfulfilled campaigns (The Expendables, Grand Bizarre), ditching the Waid lawsuit and a lack of adapting his youtube content to something different.

Since this rebuttal of Zack's video he has defended former SJW professionals who maligned him and promoted their work (Mags, Aubrey Sitterson and Nick Spencer) and deleted a hoard of his old videos so as not to upset them. His takes have gotten progressively worse and he's quickly appearing out of touch with his own audience, at least to those with two braincells to rub together. While lecturing his audience and fellow creators to get off twitter, he still spends much of his time reporting on tweets from people, showing that he hasn't divorced himself completely from the site and instead hides like a coward behind his youtube channel while ceding this ground/infrastructure to the enemy.

This video is perhaps the worst take I have seen from Zack so far, including his recent defense of Nick Spencer, as summarized by Mister Dongs. After speaking with the well hung kiwi himself, he gave me his own interpretation of what Zack was really saying about his customers.

Crowdfunding 101 - The Three Types of Customers (by @Mister Dongs)​

The Paypig - will eat whatever shit you shovel in their trough, when not consuming shit the paypig will defend you from any and all criticism including legitimate criticism.​

The Alogger - people who will criticize you, whether or not the criticism is genuine or malicious is irrelevant, just ignore them and wait for your paypigs to come to your defense.​

The Gayopper - people who deliberately spend their money to complain about you or make you look bad. Like the aloggers they should be ignored because they are emotionally damaged and you as the creator are never at fault. It doesn't matter if your books are years late, they bought them knowing it just to complain about it.​

The last description is perhaps the most insulting of these descriptions and represents a growing trend of Comicsgate creators accusing their customers of a new conspiracy known as "buyers gayops", again coined by @Mister Dongs, when reporting on the volatile situation between Oz Arts Creations and his customer Wiggle Wiggle/Pink Ape. Mister Dongs had previously reported on the ongoing feud between the former Live With Liam cohost and his customer in a series of posts here, here and here. This behavior is not isolated to just Oz Arts Creations and now Zack, if anyone wishes to take a look through the comment section of Antonio Brice's Brand campaign page.

This disturbing new trend of putting creators before customers begs several questions, does Comicsgate's response to the mainstream creators back during 2017 put them in the category of the anti-customer or the uncustomer? Were the hotdog vendors at Marvel and DC right to throw the bun in the uncustomer's face and shriek "begone bigots" to the cheers of their phantom new customers? Will this new concept of "buyers gayops" become the new standard defense for creators like Cridious, Martina Markota and Slick Jimmy moving forward when a book will never be received?

Finally to repeat another age old question asked by a determined champion of the people, "has anyone seen Richie?" Because I don't recognize this guy anymore.

That's the news update for this week. As always take care and stay safe out there. :bluelabel:
 
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FROG said:
I don’t think it matters that it’s Nick Spencer. Zack is disgusted by these SJWs, and he’s saying that what they’re doing shouldn’t be done to anyone. Even Spencer, who helped create this culture in comics. Their casual, self amused technique for destroying their victims is absolutely vile.
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I agree its vile. But your not being consistent. While nobody deserves this, these people created the current environment and are enabling it.

If tomorrow these people called Gina Carano a Nazi, Nick Spencer would happily do so too or remain silent. He's an enabler and now that they went after all the sane people with fucking balls they're eating each other. Let them.

Captain Manning said:
If you find it strange or obnoxious, it's only because a number of the ComicsGate faithful still seem to believe precisely that.

Come on Ethan. Even you have to admit a significant number of your own fans/viewers have completely missed the plot. They'll readily open their wallets out of some sort of misguided sense that they're warriors in the culture war.


I agree. Mostly.

But do the people that watch your show get it? What you miss is that plenty of people believe they're fighting the SJWs, if not outright saying that.
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For over a year Ethan and Richard would end videos tying them supporting them to fighting these people. They both stopped it about a year ago. But it shouldn't be surprising that these lemmings took them at their word for the two to three years when, time after time, they drew the link in their videos between crazy alt-left culture war and their product.


Miniluv said:
You'll get no argument from me as to the vileness of SJW tactics, but let's not pretend it isn't karmic retribution. I'm not sure why Zack feels like he's above calling this what it is, which is Spencer reaping what he has sown. You don't necessarily have to take joy in it happening, but Zack acting like he feels bad for Nick Spencer isn't some kind of higher moral position. The "high ground" in these culture war skirmishes means not engaging in their vile tactics; them eating their own with the same tactics shouldn't be met with anything less than an "I told you so".

Nobody watching Zack's content is sitting there going "Poor Nick Spencer, he doesn't deserve being crushed by this monster he fed". You can say that he doesn't deserve what's happening, but I'd argue that he is at least as undeserving of sympathy for it.
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Oh, I'm fully in sympathy because I'm not an SJW. I just won't open my bunker door and let the zombies in to eat me. Especially not when the person their chewing down on is a guy who threw rocks at me and called me a Nazi/phobe/ist for building the bunker in the first place.

Fuck 'em.

MonkeyBaby said:
I'll confess. I backed DAMEGANG after EVS mentioned it. I like campy sexploitation type stuff; the less seriously that it takes itself, the better. I'll give it a shot.
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Hey, good on you man.

Smug Freiza said:
Time for another Comicsgate News Update

FROM CREATORGO
There isn't much to report since our last update on the current crop of new Comicsgate projects. The number of projects increased from 93 to 95, not including failures listed below, proving that the torrent of new books has now slowed to a trickle. The two new projects achieved funding so there's no reason to list them below, additionally two books from our To Watch List also achieved funding and will be removed. The two books that were spared from the CG graveyard were Rammur 1 and Twisted Fairy Tales.

Previous Failures
The Current Plane Comic #1
Pillowman and Blanketboy Comic-- Second Chance!
KINETIC
Cross Comics coloring book
Melvin #1
Everlasting Survivors Volume 1 Graphic Novel
The Tome Of Reckoning
Chateau Obsidian #3
EVERMATTER: Conscript
The Oswald Chronicles: My Time With Clive 1-4
Zener: Master of the Mind Vol 1
Wahid 2: Dawn of Evil (taken down)
Hexwood: Dust and Ashes
Wulfsbane- Issue 1
Skipt - Seeds of Power
Columns of Creation Vol 1: Down To Earth

Campaigns to Watch
Angel's Awakening
Sinsationals Trilogy Superhero comic new cover
Octopus Cowboy #1
Freelancers Relaunch Welcome Back (no tiers, will fail)
Forerunner issue #1

FROM INDIEGOGO
The latest campaign taking Comicsgate, and this thread, by storm is the newly launched DAMEGANG book by Billy Nunez. While being ridiculed by some in the thread, the book offers 88 pages for the almost universal price of $25 plus shipping, which almost provides twice the content when compared to your standard 48 page CG book. The book follows three giantess women as they gain powers after coming in contact with an ancient artifact. The comic's promotion has been met with some criticism, perhaps unfairly so, given that several coomer comics have already been promoted by Comicsgate including Blue Mamba, Super Harem and LURE to name a few. The book is currently sitting at $6,390 from 138 backers with 54 days remaining on the campaign.


The following section will be condensed so as not to be as long as the updates in this segment usually are:
FROM THE TWITTERVERSE
Several days ago industry pro Scott Kurtz decided to put out a tweet insulting FROG about self published pull-quotes on his own products.


In response FROG took the time to remind his followers that Scott Kurtz has an unfulfilled Kickstarter campaign to the tune of $123,000 and pulled some choice quotes from backers of the campaign.


One of the ankle biters who was in the comment section couldn't help but nip at FROG's heels by calling him a nazi. The Caesar of Comicsgate wasn't having it and delivered a killing blow. THOT PATROLLED.

In less confrontational news FROG has also been retweeting happy backers who have received their Salamandroid PVC figures from the REKT PLANET campaign. It would appear that the figures are being fulfilled ahead of the book, which this reporter assumes must be a nightmare when calculating the shipping bill.


In non FROG news our very own VIKKIVERSE retweeted an account that turned out to be dedicated to a new channel run by her and DA Talks. The new channel features a promotional video which will be linked below, presumably the CGDG videos will now take place on this channel as opposed to formerly jumping from channel to channel each week.


FROM YOUTUBE
As mentioned above DA Talks and VIKKIVERSE have created a new channel called D & V Investigations which I'm guessing will host their weekly CGDG streams (correct me if I'm wrong @VIkkiVerse). The channel's promotional video features a number of quotes from TUG, Liam Gray and even a close out endorsement from FROG.
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This probably better. Consolidate revenue and split it fifty/fifty. They could probably due with creating more consistent content. You ideally need a video a day, running between fifteen to twenty minutes. They shouldn't all be clips from LS either.

Smug Freiza said:
Yellowflash continues to report on the domination of manga over the western comic book industry, informing his viewers that the sales data from May shows no slowdown in the Japanese advance. The top 20 chart shows that "Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia and more are embarrassing Marvel and DC comics."
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Attack on Titan. A book about misshapen giants eating people.

Smug Freiza said:
Not everyone is pleased with Yellowflash as the people's champion, The Patriot Hut, did a series of videos calling out the CG and Weeb Wars veteran. The first video features the Hut filming his laptop, efapping Flash's videos, it's amazing that several years into Youtubing the people's champion hasn't discovered the miracle of OBS.

The second video is even worse, even for the Hut. The Hut goes into a five minute rant about how Yellowflash never says "hello" and how YF thinks he's better than the Hut for having a larger sub count. The Hut lets slip that the motivation for this video was Flash mentioning the people's champion on a recent livestream.

In a breaking video Comics by Perch covers the recent rumors circulating online that Tim Drake has been revealed to be a bi-sexual.

Michael Bancroft, creator of The Lucent mentioned in our Indiegogo update section, streamed a celebration stream for reaching 800 backers on his campaign. Bancroft and his cohost were joined by Jon Malin, Shane Davis and Eric Weathers to help him celebrate.

If the previous stream of milquetoast CG content creator Bancroft wasn't enough for you, Sweetcast also put out a video informing creators of the potential mistakes to be made during crowdfunding a campaign. Stoker then compares four CG books; Cyberfrog Bloodhoney, Only Death Can Save Us, Red Rooster and Jawbreakers: Godking and the difficulties each creator experienced during the campaign. Stoker however completely unaware forgot another Crowdfund killer, releasing a new book when your old book remains unfulfilled.

Finally we have a recent video from Ya Boi Zack, or Simple Zack as he is more affectionately(?) known here on the farms, this final video will be accompanied by a Dongsesque writeup and my thoughts on what is being said.

CROWDFUNDING 101 - The 3 Different Types Of Customers


The video begins with a brief update on the status of controversial Narzack book 499, of which the art style and coloring has generated much debate both on and off site. Zack then skips the traditional small talk of his time in the marines and love of breakfast burritos and dives right into the topic of the video: Customers. Zack quickly explains to the viewer that "there are three types of customers" and gives a general description of what he previously believed they were in the past.

Customers - Zack explains that the definition of a customer has evolved in his mind, it used to include potential customers, customers who are currently buying your books and former customers. Then Zack had an epiphany that this analysis was wrong, because creators are changing, customers are changing and the entire world is constantly in a state of change. Zack then states there are writers he loves but no longer buys their books because he knows what to expect from them and this is why he likes to surprise people with books like 499 and Rock and Roll Ninjas.

Anti-Customers - anti customers are obviously self evident, Zack explains that these people are never going to buy your stuff and additionally they will attempt to harm you and your business. Zack then goes on to say that the best bulwark against anti-customers is customers so that "whenever someone says your late, they say yeah he's late but he's always delivered." Zack further goes on to explain that ignoring these people is your best defense as arguing with them is a waste of your time.

Uncustomers - in the final and perhaps most insulting description, Zack explains that un-costumers are very similar to anti-customers except for they actually do back your book, albeit for malicious reasons. Zack further elaborates by stating these customers back to "have some kind of hold over you" or "they can give you orders and treat you like shit". Zack then makes a comparison of himself to a McDonalds fast food worker and feels he has become a punching bag for people with their own issues who are taking it out on him.

Zack then finishes by summarizing that customers are great, anti-customers are weird stalkers to be ignored and uncustomers are people who buy your product to treat you like shit and make a scene. Zack then closes with the traditional "tell me what you think of this video" and I plan on doing so below, not before archiving the video in a spoiler below given his new trend of privating his videos.
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This is the worst, contraintuitive take. KSD could say this. Simple Zach was never a customer and just bought her books to complain. A customer is anyone that buys the fucking book or who has money to buy the fucking book. If someone is acting like a crazy person in the Taco Bell lobby, the manager politely but firmly tells you to fucking leave.

"I say unto thee, who is thine customer?" They look and babble confused. "Every fucking body you dullards! Cash is Cash. Truly. I say unto thou? Thee? Whatever. I say thine customer is always before thee. Unless they are a moneyless commie. Then kick his/her ass out."

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This video is just another example in the continuing trend of every-bodies former best boy Zack's transformation into someone completely unrecognizable in 2021. It was back in February of this year I created a post titled The Tale of Simple Zack: Terminal Decline, in which I responded to a video he put out where he was completely dumbfounded at why Rock N Roll Ninjas was performing poorly compared to his previous books. The video shows Zack's complete lack of self-awareness and ability to look at himself critically as he attempted to explain away his own decline by blaming crowdfunding as a whole, despite the fact comic book crowdfunding profits are increasing as a whole and with many creators outperforming their previous books. My key points for his decline were summarized as followed; a lack of user engagement (no twitter or livestreams), sloppy campaign pages (lack of page art, page counts, stretch goals etc), terribly received books (Pandemic, Ballad of No, Iron Sights), unfulfilled campaigns (The Expendables, Grand Bizarre), ditching the Waid lawsuit and a lack of adapting his youtube content to something different.

Since this rebuttal of Zack's video he has defended former SJW professionals who maligned him and promoted their work (Mags, Aubrey Sitterson and Nick Spencer) and deleted a hoard of his old videos so as not to upset them. His takes have gotten progressively worse and he's quickly appearing out of touch with his own audience, at least to those with two braincells to rub together. While lecturing his audience and fellow creators to get off twitter, he still spends much of his time reporting on tweets from people, showing that he hasn't divorced himself completely from the site and instead hides like a coward behind his youtube channel while ceding this ground/infrastructure to the enemy.

This video is perhaps the worst take I have seen from Zack so far, including his recent defense of Nick Spencer, as summarized by Mister Dongs. After speaking with the well hung kiwi himself, he gave me his own interpretation of what Zack was really saying about his customers.

Crowdfunding 101 - The Three Types of Customers (by @Mister Dongs)​

The Paypig - will eat whatever shit you shovel in their trough, when not consuming shit the paypig will defend you from any and all criticism including legitimate criticism.

The Alogger - people who will criticize you, whether or not the criticism is genuine or malicious is irrelevant, just ignore them and wait for your paypigs to come to your defense.

The Gayopper - people who deliberately spend their money to complain about you or make you look bad. Like the aloggers they should be ignored because they are emotionally damaged and you as the creator are never at fault. It doesn't matter if your books are years late, they bought them knowing it just to complain about it.

The last description is perhaps the most insulting of these descriptions and represents a growing trend of Comicsgate creators accusing their customers of a new conspiracy known as "buyers gayops", again coined by @Mister Dongs, when reporting on the volatile situation between Oz Arts Creations and his customer Wiggle Wiggle/Pink Ape. Mister Dongs had previously reported on the ongoing feud between the former Live With Liam cohost and his customer in a series of posts here, here and here. This behavior is not isolated to just Oz Arts Creations and now Zack, if anyone wishes to take a look through the comment section of Antonio Brice's Brand campaign page.

This disturbing new trend of putting creators before customers begs several questions, does Comicsgate's response to the mainstream creators back during 2017 put them in the category of the anti-customer or the uncustomer? Were the hotdog vendors at Marvel and DC right to throw the bun in the uncustomer's face and shriek "begone bigots" to the cheers of their phantom new customers? Will this new concept of "buyers gayops" become the new standard defense for creators like Cridious, Martina Markota and Slick Jimmy moving forward when a book will never be received?

Finally to repeat another age old question asked by a determined champion of the people, "has anyone seen Richie?" Because I don't recognize this guy anymore.

That's the news update for this week. As always take care and stay safe out there. :bluelabel:
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Yep. Time to go put old Yeller down.
 
Smug Freiza said:
Finally to repeat another age old question asked by a determined champion of the people, "has anyone seen Richie?" Because I don't recognize this guy anymore.
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I was about to say "I think 2017 Meyer would be appalled by 2021 Meyer's treatment of his customers" but now I question whether or not 2017 Meyer would even criticize the actions his future self is doing.
 
Smug Freiza said:
if anyone wishes to take a look through the comment section of Antonio Brice's Brand campaign page.
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I love checking this page every couple of months. Antonio is such a piece of shit in how he responds to people. And he's been fulfilling Brand for over a goddamn year. I can't fathom how that's even possible. Even Donal is shipping faster than that (not to give that loser any credit).
 
Zacks situation is just sad. It's like watching your uncles mind slowly slip away into dementia.

Rupin said:
Basically, Mister Dongs found out that the College of the Dead books and the Mermaid books were originally webtoons written by sjw creators a few years back and Adam was passing it off as his work.
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Gracias.

jspit2.0 said:
To be fair, Jimmy rejected CG early on after conning them of their money.
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A man who openly displays and attempts to sell his creepy loli fantasies is smarter than your average CG backer.
 
5t3n0g0ph3r said:
I was about to say "I think 2017 Meyer would be appalled by 2021 Meyer's treatment of his customers" but now I question whether or not 2017 Meyer would even criticize the actions his future self is doing.
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2017 Meyer was already two years late on "Jawbreakers: Book One". His attitude toward customers has never really changed. 2017 Richard would totally understand why 2021 Richard is
so late on so many books.

2017 Meyer might be confused though as to why 2021 Meyer is quickly erasing 2017 Meyer from history entirely. Those 2017 videos keep disappearing week by week. 2021 Meyer is late to the "war on history" within comicsgate where the videos are deleted and history becomes whatever the leaders of CG says it is, but he is catching up quickly. Even Heather Antos has been erased from history now.

But 2021 Meyer would smooth things over by taking 2017 Meyer out to the mall for a breakfast Burrito and a long morning of loitering at the mall until the security guards told them to leave.
 
Miniluv said:
You'll get no argument from me as to the vileness of SJW tactics, but let's not pretend it isn't karmic retribution. I'm not sure why Zack feels like he's above calling this what it is, which is Spencer reaping what he has sown. You don't necessarily have to take joy in it happening, but Zack acting like he feels bad for Nick Spencer isn't some kind of higher moral position. The "high ground" in these culture war skirmishes means not engaging in their vile tactics; them eating their own with the same tactics shouldn't be met with anything less than an "I told you so".

Nobody watching Zack's content is sitting there going "Poor Nick Spencer, he doesn't deserve being crushed by this monster he fed". You can say that he doesn't deserve what's happening, but I'd argue that he is at least as undeserving of sympathy for it.
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Yeah sure, I love it. When Zack told me, my exact quote was "Good, see how he likes it." I have absolutely no pity for these people, and it's fun watching them suffer. But it should be pointed out that the lesbians who are gossiping about Nick's alleged "White Supremacy" are in this moment worse than Nick is. It's still sickening to watch them work.

"You can say that he doesn't deserve what's happening, but I'd argue that he is at least as undeserving of sympathy for it."

This is well stated. At the zenith of my mercy, I agree.

MonkeyBaby said:
I'll confess. I backed DAMEGANG after EVS mentioned it. I like campy sexploitation type stuff; the less seriously that it takes itself, the better. I'll give it a shot.
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Nice! The art is great, and it looks like fun. I hope the finished product is good.

Captain Manning said:
If you find it strange or obnoxious, it's only because a number of the ComicsGate faithful still seem to believe precisely that.

Come on Ethan. Even you have to admit a significant number of your own fans/viewers have completely missed the plot. They'll readily open their wallets out of some sort of misguided sense that they're warriors in the culture war.


I agree. Mostly.

But do the people that watch your show get it? What you miss is that plenty of people believe they're fighting the SJWs, if not outright saying that.
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I'd never speculate on the motives of any of my customers. It's none of my business. I'm creating the best product I possibly can for their money, and I tell them THANK YOU.

I don't ask them to buy my product to "own the SJWs," but I have said that it's important that we build our own industry. It isn't cynical. I truly believe it and want to do it.
 
Smug Freiza said:
Time for another Comicsgate News Update

FROM CREATORGO
There isn't much to report since our last update on the current crop of new Comicsgate projects. The number of projects increased from 93 to 95, not including failures listed below, proving that the torrent of new books has now slowed to a trickle. The two new projects achieved funding so there's no reason to list them below, additionally two books from our To Watch List also achieved funding and will be removed. The two books that were spared from the CG graveyard were Rammur 1 and Twisted Fairy Tales.

Previous Failures
The Current Plane Comic #1
Pillowman and Blanketboy Comic-- Second Chance!
KINETIC
Cross Comics coloring book
Melvin #1
Everlasting Survivors Volume 1 Graphic Novel
The Tome Of Reckoning
Chateau Obsidian #3
EVERMATTER: Conscript
The Oswald Chronicles: My Time With Clive 1-4
Zener: Master of the Mind Vol 1
Wahid 2: Dawn of Evil (taken down)
Hexwood: Dust and Ashes
Wulfsbane- Issue 1
Skipt - Seeds of Power
Columns of Creation Vol 1: Down To Earth

Campaigns to Watch
Angel's Awakening
Sinsationals Trilogy Superhero comic new cover
Octopus Cowboy #1
Freelancers Relaunch Welcome Back (no tiers, will fail)
Forerunner issue #1

FROM INDIEGOGO
The latest campaign taking Comicsgate, and this thread, by storm is the newly launched DAMEGANG book by Billy Nunez. While being ridiculed by some in the thread, the book offers 88 pages for the almost universal price of $25 plus shipping, which almost provides twice the content when compared to your standard 48 page CG book. The book follows three giantess women as they gain powers after coming in contact with an ancient artifact. The comic's promotion has been met with some criticism, perhaps unfairly so, given that several coomer comics have already been promoted by Comicsgate including Blue Mamba, Super Harem and LURE to name a few. The book is currently sitting at $6,390 from 138 backers with 54 days remaining on the campaign.


The following section will be condensed so as not to be as long as the updates in this segment usually are:
FROM THE TWITTERVERSE
Several days ago industry pro Scott Kurtz decided to put out a tweet insulting FROG about self published pull-quotes on his own products.


In response FROG took the time to remind his followers that Scott Kurtz has an unfulfilled Kickstarter campaign to the tune of $123,000 and pulled some choice quotes from backers of the campaign.


One of the ankle biters who was in the comment section couldn't help but nip at FROG's heels by calling him a nazi. The Caesar of Comicsgate wasn't having it and delivered a killing blow. THOT PATROLLED.

In less confrontational news FROG has also been retweeting happy backers who have received their Salamandroid PVC figures from the REKT PLANET campaign. It would appear that the figures are being fulfilled ahead of the book, which this reporter assumes must be a nightmare when calculating the shipping bill.


In non FROG news our very own VIKKIVERSE retweeted an account that turned out to be dedicated to a new channel run by her and DA Talks. The new channel features a promotional video which will be linked below, presumably the CGDG videos will now take place on this channel as opposed to formerly jumping from channel to channel each week.


FROM YOUTUBE
As mentioned above DA Talks and VIKKIVERSE have created a new channel called D & V Investigations which I'm guessing will host their weekly CGDG streams (correct me if I'm wrong @VIkkiVerse). The channel's promotional video features a number of quotes from TUG, Liam Gray and even a close out endorsement from FROG.

Yellowflash continues to report on the domination of manga over the western comic book industry, informing his viewers that the sales data from May shows no slowdown in the Japanese advance. The top 20 chart shows that "Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia and more are embarrassing Marvel and DC comics."

Not everyone is pleased with Yellowflash as the people's champion, The Patriot Hut, did a series of videos calling out the CG and Weeb Wars veteran. The first video features the Hut filming his laptop, efapping Flash's videos, it's amazing that several years into Youtubing the people's champion hasn't discovered the miracle of OBS.

The second video is even worse, even for the Hut. The Hut goes into a five minute rant about how Yellowflash never says "hello" and how YF thinks he's better than the Hut for having a larger sub count. The Hut lets slip that the motivation for this video was Flash mentioning the people's champion on a recent livestream.

In a breaking video Comics by Perch covers the recent rumors circulating online that Tim Drake has been revealed to be a bi-sexual.

Michael Bancroft, creator of The Lucent mentioned in our Indiegogo update section, streamed a celebration stream for reaching 800 backers on his campaign. Bancroft and his cohost were joined by Jon Malin, Shane Davis and Eric Weathers to help him celebrate.

If the previous stream of milquetoast CG content creator Bancroft wasn't enough for you, Sweetcast also put out a video informing creators of the potential mistakes to be made during crowdfunding a campaign. Stoker then compares four CG books; Cyberfrog Bloodhoney, Only Death Can Save Us, Red Rooster and Jawbreakers: Godking and the difficulties each creator experienced during the campaign. Stoker however completely unaware forgot another Crowdfund killer, releasing a new book when your old book remains unfulfilled.

Finally we have a recent video from Ya Boi Zack, or Simple Zack as he is more affectionately(?) known here on the farms, this final video will be accompanied by a Dongsesque writeup and my thoughts on what is being said.

CROWDFUNDING 101 - The 3 Different Types Of Customers


The video begins with a brief update on the status of controversial Narzack book 499, of which the art style and coloring has generated much debate both on and off site. Zack then skips the traditional small talk of his time in the marines and love of breakfast burritos and dives right into the topic of the video: Customers. Zack quickly explains to the viewer that "there are three types of customers" and gives a general description of what he previously believed they were in the past.

Customers - Zack explains that the definition of a customer has evolved in his mind, it used to include potential customers, customers who are currently buying your books and former customers. Then Zack had an epiphany that this analysis was wrong, because creators are changing, customers are changing and the entire world is constantly in a state of change. Zack then states there are writers he loves but no longer buys their books because he knows what to expect from them and this is why he likes to surprise people with books like 499 and Rock and Roll Ninjas.​

Anti-Customers - anti customers are obviously self evident, Zack explains that these people are never going to buy your stuff and additionally they will attempt to harm you and your business. Zack then goes on to say that the best bulwark against anti-customers is customers so that "whenever someone says your late, they say yeah he's late but he's always delivered." Zack further goes on to explain that ignoring these people is your best defense as arguing with them is a waste of your time.​

Uncustomers - in the final and perhaps most insulting description, Zack explains that un-costumers are very similar to anti-customers except for they actually do back your book, albeit for malicious reasons. Zack further elaborates by stating these customers back to "have some kind of hold over you" or "they can give you orders and treat you like shit". Zack then makes a comparison of himself to a McDonalds fast food worker and feels he has become a punching bag for people with their own issues who are taking it out on him.​

Zack then finishes by summarizing that customers are great, anti-customers are weird stalkers to be ignored and uncustomers are people who buy your product to treat you like shit and make a scene. Zack then closes with the traditional "tell me what you think of this video" and I plan on doing so below, not before archiving the video in a spoiler below given his new trend of privating his videos.

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This video is just another example in the continuing trend of every-bodies former best boy Zack's transformation into someone completely unrecognizable in 2021. It was back in February of this year I created a post titled The Tale of Simple Zack: Terminal Decline, in which I responded to a video he put out where he was completely dumbfounded at why Rock N Roll Ninjas was performing poorly compared to his previous books. The video shows Zack's complete lack of self-awareness and inability to look at himself critically as he attempted to explain away his own decline by blaming crowdfunding as a whole, despite the fact comic book crowdfunding profits are increasing as a whole and with many creators outperforming their previous books. My key points for his decline were summarized as followed; a lack of user engagement (no twitter or livestreams), sloppy campaign pages (lack of page art, page counts, stretch goals etc), terribly received books (Pandemic, Ballad of No, Iron Sights), unfulfilled campaigns (The Expendables, Grand Bizarre), ditching the Waid lawsuit and a lack of adapting his youtube content to something different.

Since this rebuttal of Zack's video he has defended former SJW professionals who maligned him and promoted their work (Mags, Aubrey Sitterson and Nick Spencer) and deleted a hoard of his old videos so as not to upset them. His takes have gotten progressively worse and he's quickly appearing out of touch with his own audience, at least to those with two braincells to rub together. While lecturing his audience and fellow creators to get off twitter, he still spends much of his time reporting on tweets from people, showing that he hasn't divorced himself completely from the site and instead hides like a coward behind his youtube channel while ceding this ground/infrastructure to the enemy.

This video is perhaps the worst take I have seen from Zack so far, including his recent defense of Nick Spencer, as summarized by Mister Dongs. After speaking with the well hung kiwi himself, he gave me his own interpretation of what Zack was really saying about his customers.

Crowdfunding 101 - The Three Types of Customers (by @Mister Dongs)​

The Paypig - will eat whatever shit you shovel in their trough, when not consuming shit the paypig will defend you from any and all criticism including legitimate criticism.​

The Alogger - people who will criticize you, whether or not the criticism is genuine or malicious is irrelevant, just ignore them and wait for your paypigs to come to your defense.​

The Gayopper - people who deliberately spend their money to complain about you or make you look bad. Like the aloggers they should be ignored because they are emotionally damaged and you as the creator are never at fault. It doesn't matter if your books are years late, they bought them knowing it just to complain about it.​

The last description is perhaps the most insulting of these descriptions and represents a growing trend of Comicsgate creators accusing their customers of a new conspiracy known as "buyers gayops", again coined by @Mister Dongs, when reporting on the volatile situation between Oz Arts Creations and his customer Wiggle Wiggle/Pink Ape. Mister Dongs had previously reported on the ongoing feud between the former Live With Liam cohost and his customer in a series of posts here, here and here. This behavior is not isolated to just Oz Arts Creations and now Zack, if anyone wishes to take a look through the comment section of Antonio Brice's Brand campaign page.

This disturbing new trend of putting creators before customers begs several questions, does Comicsgate's response to the mainstream creators back during 2017 put them in the category of the anti-customer or the uncustomer? Were the hotdog vendors at Marvel and DC right to throw the bun in the uncustomer's face and shriek "begone bigots" to the cheers of their phantom new customers? Will this new concept of "buyers gayops" become the new standard defense for creators like Cridious, Martina Markota and Slick Jimmy moving forward when a book will never be received?

Finally to repeat another age old question asked by a determined champion of the people, "has anyone seen Richie?" Because I don't recognize this guy anymore.

That's the news update for this week. As always take care and stay safe out there. :bluelabel:
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It's fucking ironic that YellowFlash2 has not once mentioned the shitty ending of AOT that is causing fans to leave the AOT ship. NOT ONCE he said anything bad about its ending. I wonder WHY!
 
Boobie Bomb said:
It's fucking ironic that YellowFlash2 has not once mentioned the shitty ending of AOT that is causing fans to leave the AOT ship. NOT ONCE he said anything bad about its ending. I wonder WHY!
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I've only seen up to the end of season 2 of the anime. I'm re-watching all of it now in anticipation of being able to watch the rest of season 4 as soon as it airs in Japan.

Pls no spoilers.

(But yeah, I've been warned the manga ending is an absolute shit show, and the anime ending will probably be the same).
 
Captain Manning said:
I've only seen up to the end of season 2 of the anime. I'm re-watching all of it now in anticipation of being able to watch the rest of season 4 as soon as it airs in Japan.

Pls no spoilers.

(But yeah, I've been warned the manga ending is an absolute shit show, and the anime ending will probably be the same).
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I stopped at Season 2 the supporting characters got way too annoying for me to take.
 
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