Debate user 'Null' if America has Cheese, Meat, and Bread.

[Like A Rad Neighbor]

I bake myself so no worries on bakery but grew up in hippiesville with constant access to bakeries and meat. The school I went to had a self sustaining part of campus with a farm and some people lived up there in solar cabins. We regularly butchered things in school. I know that is way outside the norm.

I agree that unless you go to a specialty cheese shop or you get lucky with a Jewish deli you end up finding nothing. Living in podunk nowhere I can usually find people to split a cow order with and I will bake regularly for people locally.

A lot of people nearby also operate out of the “homestead” bakeries and make cheese, get eggs, and bake upon request but it’s pretty inconvenient and if ole’Bessie dies there goes the whole thing.

 

[Is It Luck?]

Implying that there are not local bakeries, butchers, and dairy product producers anywhere in America as well as many services offering these products to be shipped with little to no price increase. You are just complaining that food in megastores like walmart is shit which I don't think anyone disagrees with.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Got tons of butchers in NJ in smaller towns (not 1k, but 10k) that dont have barcoded products who sell full and piecemeal meat from goat, cow, chicken and venison. Small list of their avaiable bread not including holiday breads such as challah.


I think that theres a giant gap between the avaiable goods though when you get into cities as you said. But that doesn't seem to be an issue until the populations hit like 50k or so. But all the small towns i've been to across NJ have family owned butchers, bakeries, etc. Could just be NJ thing.

 

[popsoda]

Everyone in this thread posting about baking your own bread are kind of missing the point.
Sure you CAN do that, and maybe with some more effort you could make your own cheese. Maybe if you're really dedicated you could buy your own cow and raise it to adulthood and butcher it yourself!
That's not really the point though, is it?
I'm not saying Null is right, but come on.

 

[waffle]

Null seems under the impression that most Americans live like Courage the Cowardly Dog. A solid 75 percent live either in a city or in a cities metro area, which is huge. I'm hard pressed to think of any time I was ever more than a 20 min drive from a real grocery store

This thread is clearly a veiled attempt to find a rural huite community that Null can settle in and accommodate his Europeanized pallet.

I keep saying Missouri is great, bro...

 

[GumballFapper]

Never forget the time american and french wines were taken to

America was known for whiskey, I don't remember anyone talking about american wine

 

[The Blue Morpho]

Even Canada has less toxic and more healthy food than the US. McDonalds Ketchup in the US for example contains chemicals that are banned in Canada. (Which is why McDonalds Ketchup tastes better and more organic in Canada).

Maybe the McDonalds are better in Canada (lol) but my Canadian friends tell me the food in the grocery stores is not only worse but obscenely expensive compared to the USA, although that second part is true generally about Canada.

 

[Barbarella]

Just a couple of examples:

Cypress Grove Humboldt Fog cheese is a California goat cheese, made in Arcada.

Stemple Creek Ranch farms and butchers pigs, in part or whole for a person to purchase.

There are also places like Nieman Ranch that got popular but were until recently, locally grown and cruelty free.

There are Carniceria’s that sell goat and offal and fresh concha’s and other Mexican breads and tortillas, and Asian areas where you get fish still swimming in buckets and vegetables I don’t understand.

There are bakeries everywhere that you can purchase homemade bread. Or bagels. Or donuts still.

Saturday Farmers markets sell in season vegetables from local growers. There are also farms that will box deliver seasonal vegetables for you. A person can bake in their home and sell items: quality may vary of course.

Everybody is allowed chickens so fresh eggs are easy to get, and chicken too if you are not squeamish.

Oranges and lemons come off my trees.

Whole Foods sells more locally grown items than most although they also have products by the big 4. You have to know what you are looking for.

It takes more work to find that type of food but it’s certainly available. But most people do just go to the grocery store and shop for the things you describe: plastic cheese, rubber bread, tomatoes that never ripen.

But it’s not a requirement if one has time.

I’m in California but city doesn’t matter because it’s all the same.

 

[whatever I feel like]

yes if you live in a city of 30,000 people or more you will have access to bougie organic stores. Every shithole town in Serbia has cheese, meat, and bread all super local.

4 out of 5 Americans live in an urban or suburban environment. Cut out the cities and you still have 70 percent who live in suburbs. You saying "all Americans" and then having to use a qualifier that excludes 80 percent of them is the height of you being a spergy brainlet.

 

[Shagedan]

The MATI take on lack of access to good food products in America is a weird mix of ghetto ignorance of how to get real food plus self-hating expat whinging about how actually [insert country here] is better than America.

Null grocery shops like a GAY NIGGER and is intimidated by the prospect of having to speak with the deli counter guy. Yes I am punching the air and pissing my pants in rage, how could you tell

 

[Breadbassket]

The United States does have bread, that much can be said. Cannot say for the other things.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I'll admit to liking bad food, but I gotta ask... is local artisan pizza really THAT much better just because all the ingredients happened to come from the same ZIP code and the shop owner woke up at 3AM to personally stir the sauce with his dick?

I'm not convinced.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

How can cheeselets ever recover?

 

[Booby Jones]

I live in a southern state, but it's still a city and every store has a cheese section with a billion different meme cheeses with different countries flags for the different sections. Gay ass blueberry cheese, wine infused cheese, goat cheeses, the works.
Couldn't tell you about THE MEAT QUESTION though.

 

[Neetorino]

I just think the funniest part is Josh thinks that people in the US give a shit about "Federal Law" and wouldn't still sell meat out of a local shop listed as "Butcher" anyways. Regardless if it's legal or not, I can drive no more than 15 minutes and hit 3 different butcheries, and at least two grocery stores (see: not fucking Walmart) and get whatever fresh bread or gay imported cheese I wanted.
And that's just accepting as true that I couldn't go to a big chain like Publix or Mariano's (or, god forbid, Walmart) to get any 'ol cheese because there's options outside the Great Value pre-shredded wall.

 

[Major]

Cheddar? I've been there.

Anyway, american supermarkets had way more variety when I went there, but perhaps not in cheeses.

Meat will always be inspected. There are laws about that wherever you go

 

[Kurt Eichenwald]

What is it about the perfection of cheddar that inspires such frantic seething from the rest of the world? Is European cheese really that bad?

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

I am not Amerimutt but I live in work in the US now. Both grocery stores near me, one is a wholesaler, have a bakery for fresh baked breads though most of the selection is Challah and "italian" bread, but there is a decent selection. They both have wheels, wedges, and pre-portioned packages of aged cheeses of several varieties, both stores have them on display in the "deli" waiting area. Of course it's not where all of the processed garbage that the majority of people eat. Both grocery stores have a butcher, however all of the meat is beef, pork, and chicken.

It's very different than what I'm used to, but it's available. Grocery stores in the US are absurd.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Maybe the McDonalds are better in Canada (lol) but my Canadian friends tell me the food in the grocery stores is not only worse but obscenely expensive compared to the USA, although that second part is true generally about Canada.

It is obscenely expensive in Canada alright. A drink at a gas station would be 2.50 USD. In Arctic cities such as Iqaluit, that would be 10.00 USD. I'm using USD because Canada's dollar is even weaker.

 

[timewave0]

I’m not going to provide any details at all b/c it would probably location dox me, but there is an incredible grocery store in my area that has a huge selection of high quality meats and cheeses, both domestic and imported. Their bakery is decent but not as good as their other stuff. Obviously it’s more expensive than shopping at goymart, but the quality is well worth it. I go to farmers markets occasionally as well.

This store is better than anything I’ve seen in Europe in terms of breadth of options, but the quality is still not as good as what I’ve encountered in Spain/France. But I’m almost certain it’s better than anything in Eastern Europe lul