does kiwifarms support or oppose the death penalty

[Mango Cobra]

I support the death penalty but not the weird shit the government has been engaging in.

If you have a criminal you need to execute, either hang him, behead him, or shoot them, tried and tested methods that go back thousands of years.


Fuck injecting them with a cocktail of Crazy chemicals that we aren't even certain work (iirc the painkillers don't work in lethal injection), fuck putting them in a chair that literally cooks them alive with electricity, and fuck making them breathe funny gasses till they die.

 

[Poop Shoot]

Very Pro. Honestly there are a lot more criminals that should be put to death that aren’t.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

by your logic life is a slow execution.

But why is hanging worse than life imprisonment?

 

[Gary the Cryptofascist]

The government shouldn't have a right to murder its nation's citizens.

It should have that right. Also it isn't the government that is involved in sentencing someone to death, at least in America. Division of power and all.

A state that is that cucked and mentally confussed that it can't even just execute the absolute worst of his undesireable criminal scum won't be capable of defending itself or surviving in the long run.

The only valid point against the death penalty is that someone could be wrongly sentenced, but I have zero moral, ethical or political problems with it.

 

[gorgoroth7134]

Getting rid of the death penalty is social circumcision.

 

[Pitbull Victim]

1. Uneven application of the sentence. This punishment is supposed to be reserved for the “worst of the worst”, but there are many people sentenced to life who did similar crimes.

2. Can’t take it back. If the state imprisons someone wrongly they can be set free. If the state executes someone wrongly they can’t bring that person back from the dead.

3. Cost. Death penalty cases are costly, and many people on death row grow old and even die of old age before their execution comes. It would be more cost effective to just sentence these guys to life.

While I support the concept of capital punishment and think it should also be applied to rapists and child predators, these three reasons are why I think the United States' current implementation of the death penalty is retarded and needs overhaul.

Point 1: Mass murders Ramzi Yousef and Terry Nichols are serving life sentences but guys like this fucking dipshit get a death sentence.

Point 2: Cameron Todd Willingham - guilt seemed pretty dicey in this case and they executed his ass anyway.

Point 3: Charles Ng - California spent $20 million on this fat Chinaman's death case even though there's no way they are going to actually execute him.

Japan though seems to have a capital punishment system that makes a bit more sense and they don't screw around with weird chemical injection methods.

 

[Stan]

I support it. The taxpayer doesn't need to pay for irredeemable wretches.

You think the government SAVES money on capital sentences?
1. No, they do not.
2.
3. What ends up happening instead is that the state spends way more money on a death penalty case than they would on imposing a life sentence without possibility of parole. And because the appeals process is lengthy, prisoners on Death Row often end up dying before being executed.

Point 1: Mass murders Ramzi Yousef and Terry Nichols are serving life sentences but guys like this fucking dipshit get a death sentence.

Point 2: Cameron Todd Willingham - guilt seemed pretty dicey in this case and they executed his ass anyway.

Point 3: Charles Ng - California spent $20 million on this fat Chinaman's death case even though there's no way they are going to actually execute him.

Japan though seems to have a capital punishment system that makes a bit more sense and they don't screw around with weird chemical injection methods.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not opposed to the death penalty in principle, but the way it's imposed in the US is unfair, expensive, and arbitrary.

 

[Saddam Hussain Obama]

i think a good question is which one is more suffering for the criminal life imprisonment or the death penalty i guess this depends on your religion but i think the death penalty could lead to more suffering for the crime

 

[AgendaPoster]

Yes, I oppose it.
I want to live in a society where I maintain moral superiority above criminals at all times.
Also I am not religious, so IDGAF about an eye for an eye unless I'm in a war or something.

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As for the "is it worse to keep them imprisoned for life" question.
It has an easy answer. Allow the murderer to answer it - would they like to remain imprisoned for life, or be given an assisted suicide?
@Stan misread you sorry

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

I am a bleeding heart. I do not think the point of the justice system should be punishment but rehabilitation even in the worst case offenses. I’d rather keep a serial killer locked up for life but making license plates or whatever than just killing them.

 

[Sundae]

On one hand, I support the death penalty, as there are some terrible human beings out there who have caused great pain and suffering to others, and are better off not stealing oxygen.

On the other hand, I'm against it on the principle that I don't like the idea of something as corrupt as the US gov. having the power to determine if a person lives or dies.

 

[Saddam Hussain Obama]

It has an easy answer. Allow the murdered to answer it - would they like to remain imprisoned for life, or be given an assisted suicide?

but they will answer incorrectly

 

[The Hardest R]

I’m against the death penalty but I’m in favor of indiscriminate killing of niggers.

 

[Die Oberste Direktive]

I'm pro-death. Abortions and death penalty should be legal. There isn't enough culling for the humans. Think of it like biological meritocracy, the more criminally-inclined and short-sighted races will naturally weed themselves. Eventually the niggers will be eliminated through this process.

 

[George Costanza™]

I approve of the death penalty with these criteria:

1. The crime is violent, however its transformative by cruelty, viciousness or otherwise heinous.

(Ex. A armed robber steals a car, instead of letting the driver go, they kidnap her, rape them, then kill them (leaving the baby in the backseat to die) all to go to a friend's house)

2. The crime is unviolent but shows a utter disregard for good conduct, without any reason to, or shows no remorse for actions (this would upgrade for the POTENTIAL of death penalty)

(Ex. A scammer steals from 1000's of elderly people, is unremorseful and shows intent to commit the same crime)

3. The violent crime targets people who are seen as those we should strive to protect (elderly, children, women in certain cases) and the guilt is obvious (school shootings, spousal abuse, elder abuse)

If guilt is not obvious, then a minimum of 10 years must happen with at least 6 appeals before approval of execution happens.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

5. If god thinks you should die for your offense, he can make that happen without help from the state.

Kind of gay of god to not kill them then. If God knows man's hearts, he should kill them before they kill someone.

Yes, I oppose it.
I want to live in a society where I maintain moral superiority above criminals at all times.

Gay. Murder and execution aren't the same.

I'm pro-death. Abortions and death penalty should be legal. There isn't enough culling for the humans. Think of it like biological meritocracy, the more criminally-inclined and short-sighted races will naturally weed themselves.

Agreed, good point on the eugenic aspect. That's why it would have been better to hang James Bulger's killers before they could breed.

 

[King George III]

21st century automobile theft is the same as 19th century horse theft and the punishment for it should be the same as it was in the 19th century, hanged by the neck until dead.

 

[Stan]

Kind of gay of god to not kill them then. If God knows man's hearts, he should kill them before they kill someone.

I think if God nerfs free will like that then we really do become NPCs.

 

[No. 7 cat]

The basic problem is that courts can be extraordinarily inept so convicting some half witted but innocent ne'er do well(s) for the crime of a cunning criminal happens. The Birmingham Six was a UK example. The judge lamented he could not hang them, but the case against them for which they were convicted was concocted. Otherwise simply the poor accused has inferior legal representation compared to the prosecution team.

 

[The Tall Man]

i think a good question is which one is more suffering for the criminal life imprisonment or the death penalty i guess this depends on your religion but i think the death penalty could lead to more suffering for the crime

If we're talking retribution, wouldn't it make more sense to empower the victims to mete out justice to the wrongdoer?

You'd inevitably end up in debates about who endured what level of suffering and how to balance the scales.

Considering some individuals are more resilient to pain than others, should they receive additional blows with the punishment stick?

In a societal context, a swift and cost-effective elimination of a troublemaker seems like a more practical approach.

I've always been intrigued by the Starship Troopers concept, where the sole form of punishment is capital punishment. There's no fuss about minor infractions; the laws are reserved for addressing serious crimes.