US Elon Musk calls for unmasking of Patriot Front: 'just follow them' - "Seems like they should be followed and unmasked," Musk said.

On Sunday, X owner Elon Musk called for members of the Patriot Front organization to be unmasked and questioned "Why doesn't the media or government care about their identities?" He asked.

The comment came in response to X user Wall Street Silver, who theorized, "The fact that the legacy media shows zero curiosity about unmasking these guys, tells us 100% that these are federal agents or paid stooges of one of the agencies."

"Seems like they should be followed and unmasked," Musk said.

On Saturday, a video showed 90-150 individuals marching in lockstep in New York City, escorted by police officers. It was shared across social media. The individuals all wore the same masks and caps.

The group marched through downtown Manhattan making their way down Wall Street. They were also seen near the 9/11 memorial and World Trade Center location, and held a demonstration outside the National Archives with a sign that read, "No Zionists in government."

Left-wing journalist Brian Krassenstien suggested that it would be breaking the law for the government or media to unmask them. "As much as I hate it, even hate has rights, unfortunately," he said.

"Just follow them," Musk responded.

US Rep. Thomas Massie joked in response to the video that they were "On their way to the pipe bomb workshop." He was referencing the recent report that pipe bombs placed outside the RNC and DNC on January 5, 2021, just a day before the J6 protest and riot at the Capitol Building, may have been a hoax that was potentially covered up by the FBI and the Secret Service.

The Marauder Magazine shared a video from BG On the Scene which showed the Patrot Front group getting into their cars and leaving the area on Saturday. They noted that the License plates on the vehicles were blank.

After a Patriot Front demonstration in May of 2023, police in Washington DC, blocked anyone from following the group into the subway station. This left users to speculate that the authorities have not wanted people to find out who the members are.

The Patriot Front organization is listed as a white supremacist group by the Anti-Defemation League, which "justifies its ideology of hate and intolerance under the guise of preserving the ethnic and cultural origins of its members’ European ancestors."

The organization spreads its message by posting videos online.

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[AgendaPoster]

I think you are too yurocentric for this topic, and your proximity to Russia, in addition to being part of the butthurt belt, has clouded your judgement. I like your observations as an outsider, but you aren't seeing this from an American POV>

Let's simplify things then.
- are you OK with Europeans organizing by race and/or ethnicity, the exact same way Arabs/Muslims do (with CAIR), Jews with AIPAC, blacks with NAACP and so on?
This includes Europeans in the US, as they are still Europeans. There is no magic dirt converting them to "Americans". The whites in the US are still indigenous to Europe. Not the US.

 

[LurkTrawl]

why every multi-ethnic/multiracial empire

Every empire that has ever existed, has fallen.

that's tried it has inevitably collapsed, often resulting in race wars shortly thereafter. It's a fucking joke and only exists because white people have had it ingrained into them through years of propaganda that you're not allowed to be racially conscious or think in collectives, meanwhile literally EVERY OTHER GROUP around you does. White people are the least racist group of people in the US and that's their biggest weakness. It should be our #1 goal to undo this brainwashing and let them know that it is okay to have prejudices, it is okay to recognize patterns, it is okay to be distrustful of other groups of people (especially in an area you're not familiar with), it is okay to have an in group preference, and none of these things make you a bad person.

The world doesn't need or want a white Al Sharpton.

 

[AgendaPoster]

The world doesn't need or want a white Al Sharpton.

Why suddenly care about "the world" and what it wants.
There cannot be a white Al Sharpton. Whites cannot demand rights based on being oppressed. Europeans organizing would never look like negroes doing it.
More importantly, why are you guys so incredibly dedicated to making sure whites cannot organize?
Why so preoccupied with this specific group?

 

[LurkTrawl]

Why suddenly care about "the world" and what it wants.

Good question. It's almost as if I didn't mean that to be taken literally.

There cannot be a white Al Sharpton. Whites cannot demand rights based on being oppressed. Europeans organizing would never look like negroes doing it.

You say that like there isn't a niche cottage industry of miscegenists and non-whites "promoting" WN and living off of it while accomplishing nothing.

More importantly, why are you guys so incredibly dedicated to making sure whites cannot organize?

I'm not. And you'd be a fucking moron to think I am.

Why so preoccupied with this specific group?

Well, for starters I'm white. Second, I used to consider myself a WN. Third, I think this shit is as retarded as thinking that banning porn, or unironically rolling back women's rights to that of the 1850's is going to somehow fix everything. Or anything. It's a rabbit hole that runs very close and sometimes intersects with a lot of what's wrong with society, but ultimately is as delusional as communism, anarchism, or theocratism in its perspective of what can not only fix society as it is but also improve upon it.

As for anyone else, obviously I can't speak on why they're against it.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Well, for starters I'm white. Second, I used to consider myself a WN. Third, I think this shit is as retarded as thinking that banning porn, or unironically rolling back women's rights to that of the 1850's is going to somehow fix everything. Or anything. It's a rabbit hole that runs very close and sometimes intersects with a lot of what's wrong with society, but ultimately is as delusional as communism, anarchism, or theocratism in its perspective of what can not only fix society as it is but also improve upon it.

Found your issue.
You identified with an ideology, and all ideologies are flawed. Including white nationalism.
Also society is not fixed by miracles.
It's fixed step by step.
First you ostracize the trans. Next the gays. Next the lesbians. There is no going back, ONLY forward.
A marginally better society is better than the one it succeeds. Dealing with trannies and immigration alone would be a vast improvement.
Your view is just pessimistic and does not even try to offer solutions.
And if you don't mind whites organizing, would you kindly stop countersignaling them when they try to?

 

[Merry]

I guess what ultimately I'm trying to get at is that, even if these people aren't feds or whatever, their idea of activism while honestly - feds or not - is perhaps good in that they're actually going out and doing good in communities, it's not as successful as perhaps a more subtle method without all of the branding and shit.

And it's totally your right to believe that, like I said, I don't care if you inherently disagree with them. You and me won't reach a conclusive agreement on that, and that's fine. I'm just happy to clear up the fedjacketing garbage for the inevitable lurkers and inject some alternative views into the conversation. It'd be horrible to allow groupthink on the Farms.

I should clarify though, by reform the nation I do not mean social engineering. I agree with you that social engineering has caused much of our current problems.

I mean legitimate, at home, organic nation building (part of that is a national identity that has a cultural-philosophical foundation, this is every nation in history, even primitive ones), community building, and self-improvement. Not unlike what Feline Supremacist proposed. That should always be priority #1.

Man all this sperging by the /pol/fags is totally proving how much of a not glowie PF is

Not trying to be a dick or disingenuous, this is a genuine question for you:

Do you think Josh should just ignore it and make no counterarguments or counteractions when Epik, Ralph, Keffals, and Journos claim the site is hosting CSAM?

 

[Bland Crumbs]

Surely Patriot Front is marching toward Texas as we speak!

The non-feds would be right at home on the edge of the cause right? Right?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Surely Patriot Front is marching toward Texas as we speak!

The non-feds would be right at home on the edge of the cause right? Right?

hold on, there's a powerpoint presentation and several essays to casually explain this casual occurrence so just stop noticing things until then okay

 

[Bland Crumbs]

hold on, there's a powerpoint presentation and several essays to casually explain this casual occurrence so just stop noticing things until then okay

Look I am sure they will be there shortly in their uniforms and looking fit. They will march through a potential hot zone and give interviews!

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Look I am sure they will be there shortly in their uniforms and looking fit. They will march through a potential hot zone and give interviews!

everybody comes running for free dinn

 

[LurkTrawl]

Found your issue.
You identified with an ideology, and all ideologies are flawed. Including white nationalism.

Dude I use it as a shortcut because explaining all of my political beliefs then, and now, would take several paragraphs of borderline blogposting. If I told the average man on the street that I'm a guy who originally came around to Libertarian thought because it seemed like a clever vehicle for White Nationalism, their head would probably fucking explode.

Also society is not fixed by miracles.
It's fixed step by step.
First you ostracize the trans. Next the gays. Next the lesbians. There is no going back, ONLY forward.
A marginally better society is better than the one it succeeds. Dealing with trannies and immigration alone would be a vast improvement.

No shit.

Your view is just pessimistic and does not even try to offer solutions.

I haven't really even explained my view aside from the fact I disagree, and vaguely why. I got more in-depth in a different thread months ago as to what my vision vs the standard WN vision would be, but I'd have to go dig for the post link*. I don't feel like typing all that shit out again.

And if you don't mind whites organizing, would you kindly stop countersignaling them when they try to?

Countersignaling going out into public with branding to be a convenient boogeyman? No. I don't think I will stop that.

I mean legitimate, at home, organic nation building (part of that is a national identity that has a cultural-philosophical foundation, this is every nation in history, even primitive ones), community building, and self-improvement. Not unlike what Feline Supremacist proposed. That should always be priority #1.

Thank you. Genuinely. That's refreshing to see.

I just think a group like PF that isn't focused on PR and more focused on doing what the left did for decades would be more effective. Though it'd have to be more of a stand-alone operation of people who believe in it working their way into positions of power and practicing effective gatekeeping/entryism in a subtle manner. Or even just subtle community organizing efforts etc. The real problem would be that, the further right seems to lack the same hive-mind capacity the left is apparently capable of to have made that tactic work in the first place.

Also, I know it's a bit unfair and I readily admit that, but a group akin to PF promoting WN that got its start by being outwardly apolitical for a few years to get the good PR first, then came out as pro-WN would also probably be a really good political maneuver. It seems a bit cart before the horse to be outwardly and openly WN prior to actually doing anything related to PR.

That said, I can't stress enough that I'm a fan of good works through community action glowies or not. Even if I think it's broadly politically ineffective, I frankly throw that a mile behind the genuine good that can be done for people by their fellow countrymen in order of importance. So, in a way, I'm pro-PF for that alone.

*Edit: Found one of the posts where I gave a good TL;DR but couldn't find the longer one I was thinking of:

I don't want the fucking federal government telling people in Georgia who don't want blacks in their businesses that they are forced to accommodate them any more than I want the federal government telling people in California that they can't accommodate blacks in their restaurants.

I'm for strong, small, representative local government, so people aren't living in or under conditions that they find unpalatable.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Countersignaling going out into public with branding to be a convenient boogeyman? No. I don't think I will stop that.

You offer no alternatives, so unless you have something better to offer, you're simply countersignaling one of the only orgs that is at least trying to start up some discussion.
What are you even afraid of? Let them stir shit up and catalyze things. I fail to see the problem.

 

[LurkTrawl]

You offer no alternatives,

Other than, you know, the alternatives I mentioned in the section immediately below the part you quoted.

This one's my personal favorite:

a group akin to PF promoting WN that got its start by being outwardly apolitical for a few years to get the good PR first, then came out as pro-WN would also probably be a really good political maneuver.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Let's simplify things then.
- are you OK with Europeans organizing by race and/or ethnicity, the exact same way Arabs/Muslims do (with CAIR), Jews with AIPAC, blacks with NAACP and so on?
This includes Europeans in the US, as they are still Europeans.

Both sides of my family emigrated from Europe to South America. Spanish was used at school/work but they spoke their natal languages at home (its why I'm multilingual, not bilingual). They associated with others from similar European backgrounds, as opposed to solely Spanish speakers, when they came to the US.

People should align with those they feel most comfortable with, with the same values, with whom they are most alike, in America. It's going to depend on where you reside. I'm a bit of an outlier since my family was very much aware of where they came from (one of my cousins traced our family back several generations and shared it with us) and maintained as much of their traditional way of life as possible in a modern world, but they also enjoyed America and her peoples. My dad used to say he wouldn't live anywhere else in the world; I don't know if he'd say that today.

There is no magic dirt converting them to "Americans". The whites in the US are still indigenous to Europe. Not the US.

I think you are wrong; there was a definite "American-ness" developing in the 20th century, a unique American "philia" (as Plato described what was required for a successful society) in the postwar era when TPTB decided it didn't benefit them at all and began subversion and race politics in the late 1950s-early 1960s to thwart it, which continues today. I think a lot of Americans want return to it but the common bond in the immediate postwar era was WW2, which was forged in war, and that hardness is lacking in most Americans. You know what I mean.

I think you and I would have much in common with each other than Americans whose families have been here for several generations; we share a similar perspective that is more worldly. But I live in America, and you live in Eastern Europe, so we have a different POV when it comes to our interests.

 

[Merry]

Noticed being a dick or disingenuous doesn't work on me so you think trying to appeal to what you think is my edaddy instead?
Classy.

Don't you have a Ben Shapiro livestream to watch (pol)fag? Oh wait wrrong guy one sec

I haven't been a dick to you at any point. I'm very politely letting you know I'm asking you an actual question because you've already shown unprovoked hostility towards me.

Do you think Josh should just accept it lying down when Epik, Ralph, Keffals, and Journos claim the site is hosting CSAM? This is a very easy question, please answer, yes or no?

 

[derpherp2]

Do you think Josh should just accept it lying down when Epik, Ralph, Keffals, and Journos claim the site is hosting CSAM? This is a very easy question, please answer.

You and I both know why you're asking this question so I'm going to bypass the whole faggotry and ask why you think both situations are equal. You deserve that much in comparison to the other faggot.

The OTHER other faggot.

 

[Merry]

You and I both know why you're asking this question so I'm going to bypass the whole faggotry and ask why you think both situations are equal. You deserve that much in comparison to the other faggot.

The OTHER other faggot.

Right, honesty is the best. And it's simple, you need evidence to make claims that impeach any organization's or individual's character to such a degree, otherwise it's defamation. If you're on the Farms you know how import receipts and evidence are for major claims. So it's quite concerning to see fellow Kiwi's throw around such a flimsy piece of labelling without any actual evidence, especially when they freak out when pressed to back their claims up.

Some of you may not like this next part, but accusing someone of being a fed without evidence is about as bad as accusing them of being a pedophile. Because they really are both that debased, morally depraved, and hated by the average person. And in many ways, the same thing.

Before you outright dismiss that, actually think about it. Think about the overlap between the current US federal government and pedophiles. We all know about The Finders, Epstein, the Cawthorn leaks, regular allegations of American refugee, childcare, and embassy services being used to service human trafficking of children.

Think about the lengths both will go to accomplish their means. Horrible people, we can all agree. Individual pedophiles are horrible, yet their crimes don't regularly include routinely murdering millions, framing innocent people, selling their nation down the line for a pension, and destroying civil liberties. It's actually extremely fair to morally equate them with pedophiles given all of that.

And given that, it's a very dangerous game to play without evidence, you are desensitizing people to the label of fed. If you have evidence someone is a federal agent or informant, by all means, share it immediately. It will improve the safety of everyone in a community right then and there.

And if anyone here has legitimate proof that PF has feds in leadership or active fed infiltrators, I will immediately concede all my previous defense of them. But if you guys really don't see the potential dangers of just labeling people fed without facts, I don't know what to say to you. You are morally lost, and haven't thought anything through.

tl;dr because some people bitch about reading on an autism drama forum: defamation is defamation and when you water down very serious accusations by making them without evidence, you're fucking up the chances future people can use those accusations for good causes and harming potentially innocent people.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

I tend to believe they're legitimate due to personal experience but seeing the wignats and the ex sharty members seething about it is funny.

 

[derpherp2]

hknlnlk

The issue is no one's accusing them of being fed, we THINK they're a fed. What? You want to change what people think and say now?

The other issue is, as you might've guessed this all stems from a lack of trust in the org.
Why should we trust wignats at best, glowies at worst? Both options mired ineffectual ludicrous bullshit.

Also I'm not going to read all your sperging. Be more succinct.

 

[Merry]

The issue is no one's accusing them of being fed, we THINK they're a fed. What? You want to change what people think and say now?

The other issue is, as you might've guessed this all stems from a lack of trust in the org.
Why should we trust wignats at best, glowies at worst? Both options mired ineffectual ludicrous bullshit.

I've been extremely open with the fact people can think what they want this whole time, especially when it comes to negative opinions of PF.

But I've seen just as many genuine accusations without any evidence, not just "I think these guys might be feds". And many of those people also fail to reciprocate when asked why they think that. So the point does stand.

And hey you don't trust em, fine, I don't ask you to trust by blind faith either. I'll also say some other people are arguing in favor of PF very poorly, which doesn't help their case.

What I do see is a serious lack of open minds to the possible alternatives here, you don't need to accept them, but consider them before just deciding what the facts are, without all the facts.