Fallout: The Frontier - Done, and it's a hilarious shitshow

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I think it’s funny how the enclave gets more hate than literal slavers.

Again, we're living in the age of "ORANGE MAN BAD!" Anything that shows patriotism and love of country is thrown under the bus. The Enclave, despite being a villainous faction, has a strong fan following due to their patriotism, cool armors, and the fact that the later versions of the Enclave are nowhere near as bad as the first. (Autumn just wanted to play warlord in FO3, dumping Eden's genocide plans for just gaining people's trust, and the New Vegas Enclave are just old folks who can be talked into doing some good one last time before they pass away.) But no, you can't play as them, even if you can play as a literal slaver faction that treats women like shit. In comparison, the Enclave, where they let women become officers in Fallout 3 and pilot Vertibirds in Fallout New Vegas.

Literal sexist slavers who use women as baby incubators and little else are more redeemable in their eyes than honest-to-God, patriotic Americans. Think about that for a second.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Again, we're living in the age of "ORANGE MAN BAD!" Anything that shows patriotism and love of country is thrown under the bus. The Enclave, despite being a villainous faction, has a strong fan following due to their patriotism, cool armors, and the fact that the later versions of the Enclave are nowhere near as bad as the first. (Autumn just wanted to play warlord in FO3, dumping Eden's genocide plans for just gaining people's trust, and the New Vegas Enclave are just old folks who can be talked into doing some good one last time before they pass away.) But no, you can't play as them, even if you can play as a literal slaver faction that treats women like shit. In comparison, the Enclave, where they let women become officers in Fallout 3 and pilot Vertibirds in Fallout New Vegas.

Literal sexist slavers who use women as baby incubators and little else are more redeemable in their eyes than honest-to-God, patriotic Americans. Think about that for a second.

Yeah, they just hate Patriots that much. What it comes down to is that they prioritize their fetishes above all else. They sexually get off to slavery which is why they’re ok with including it in the game.

If you think about it the only faction that made sense to include was the ncr. It was too far away for them to reasonably include the legion but they needed to have their dom fetish satisfied. Even with the crusaders they seem to be interested sexually in the whole conservative trad thing.

 

[Ruin]

Yeah, they just hate Patriots that much. What it comes down to is that they prioritize their fetishes above all else. They sexually get off to slavery which is why they’re ok with including it in the game.

That line where you can respond to an Enclave recruiter with "why would I want to join a racist fascist paramilitary organization that is objectively evil?" is one of the most jarring things I've ever seen in a fan game and I've seen a lot of shitty mod projects.

 

[Vault Boy]

That line where you can respond to an Enclave recruiter with "why would I want to join a racist fascist paramilitary organization that is objectively evil?" is one of the most jarring things I've ever seen in a fan game and I've seen a lot of shitty mod projects.

It's the sort of line that you'd find on Reddit, ResetEra, or Twitter, of course it'd be jarring when used in conversation.

I'm sure they were patting themselves on the back for "owning the fascists", but even fanfics wouldn't stoop that low.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah, they just hate Patriots that much. What it comes down to is that they prioritize their fetishes above all else. They sexually get off to slavery which is why they’re ok with including it in the game.

If you think about it the only faction that made sense to include was the ncr. It was too far away for them to reasonably include the legion but they needed to have their dom fetish satisfied. Even with the crusaders they seem to be interested sexually in the whole conservative trad thing.

That line where you can respond to an Enclave recruiter with "why would I want to join a racist fascist paramilitary organization that is objectively evil?" is one of the most jarring things I've ever seen in a fan game and I've seen a lot of shitty mod projects.

It's the sort of line that you'd find on Reddit, ResetEra, or Twitter, of course it'd be jarring when used in conversation.

I don't expect anything less from degenerates. Their whole whining about the Enclave being fascist doesn't even add up, when the Enclave is merely a principate-style government masquerading as a democracy. They're the dying remnants of a corrupt democracy that would rather let its people die than do what House did and find a way to stop the nukes. They're nowhere near fasicst, in fact, they'd probably execute fascists because the America of old fought against fascism.

But since the left loves to use the F word a lot, every time they come across someone they disagree with, they call it fascist. It's down to the point where, just like the term "racist", the word has lost all meaning and is just a catch-all phrase for anyone the left dislikes. An American patriot faction whose pro-American propaganda and love for America makes the left feel queasy? They call the patriots fascist. A monarch exercises too much power over their government? Fascist. A corporation becomes so powerful it begins to act like a nation-state? They call it fascist. Conservative Christians want to block gay marriage and other leftist ideas? They're fascists. Everyone who opposes the left in one form or another is fascist, even if they come from different forms of governments that would disagree with each other. (Monarchs, democracies, corporate states, religious leaders)

But of course, they'll never call Communist governments fascist, and would go to every length to differentiate the two, even though they call almost everyone else fascists, and Communists are worse than fascists, both in real life, and in the Fallout universe, since the nuclear holocaust in Fallout's backstory started when the Reds fired their nukes when America was kicking their tails in the war front. The fact that the Frontier devs made one of the somewhat-good NCR NPCs into a Communist goes to show you where their allegiance lies.

And the fact that the same people who do this get their jollies off of foot fetishes, enslaving girls, and lizard porn is the cherry on top. I can tolerate and even admire honest degenerates, at least they're honest about themselves. It's the ones that mix degeneracy with holier-than-thou liberal preaching that really annoys me. At least even the corrupt Renaissance Popes gave your average Joe a fast way to get into Heaven's good graces. You want to buy your way to heaven? Pay us $150 and you're on your way. With modern leftists, you have to agree with damn near everything they say, and one wrong move gets you burned on the proverbial stake.

I'm sure they were patting themselves on the back for "owning the fascists", but even fanfics wouldn't stoop that low.

It's funny. Even Star Wars as a franchise was all about fighting fascists, but even they let you play as the Empire because they knew some people would enjoy playing as the bad guys.

These devs are so emotionally damaged that "owning the fascists" is something they consider to be a win, when all they do is make asses out of themselves.

 

[Radola Gajda]

I'm betting on a child love interest that is "ackshully 10000 years old". I'm also betting on diaper fetishism

There is character in Skyrim that is part of Assassin guild .
And is human child female who is ackshully 300 years old Vampire.
So I can almost gurantee there will be high ress naked model for that char when there will be Skyrim remake mod

 

[SiccDicc]

It's funny. Even Star Wars as a franchise was all about fighting fascists, but even they let you play as the Empire because they knew some people would enjoy playing as the bad guys.

These devs are so emotionally damaged that "owning the fascists" is something they consider to be a win, when all they do is make asses out of themselves.

They even went beyond that and actually created sympathetic Empire characters. Men and women who were just that... men and women. They expressed grievances with how the Empire ran things, but ultimately supported it because it provided a peace and stability that not even the Republic could before it. The only people who came out outright monsters were the force wielders because they're always an extreme, like Jedis are prone to mental illnesses or something.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

They even went beyond that and actually created sympathetic Empire characters. Men and women who were just that... men and women. They expressed grievances with how the Empire ran things, but ultimately supported it because it provided a peace and stability that not even the Republic could before it.

Exactly. It's the same pattern the Enclave Remnants had in New Vegas-they just thought the Enclave was the best chance for stability because the NCR/Alliance were at the time, weak and scattered.

The only people who came out outright monsters were the force wielders because they're always an extreme, like Jedis are prone to mental illnesses or something.

That, or true believers like Tarkin, who in effect, was their equivalent to Dick Richardson. Vader was just their Frank Horrigan until all his rivals died along with the Death Star.

 

[Snekposter]

Vader was just their Frank Horrigan

He had a much, much nicer fashion sense though.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

He had a much, much nicer fashion sense though.

He didn't look like a mutated pile of shit, at least

 

[SiccDicc]

He didn't look like a mutated pile of shit, at least

Vader did if you took his mask off. Or were we talking about Vader?

 

[Snekposter]

Vader did if you took his mask off. Or were we talking about Vader?

Vader was horribly burnt, not mutated.

 

[SiccDicc]

Vader was horribly burnt, not mutated.

I thought he was also warped and twisted by the dark side of the force, too? I thought Obi-wan explained him as twisted by the dark side, more machine than man?

But we're deviating at this point. FEV is just the Midichlorians of Fallout. Maybe.

 

[Agarathium1066]

I thought he was also warped and twisted by the dark side of the force, too? I thought Obi-wan explained him as twisted by the dark side, more machine than man?

Nah you're thinking of Sheev getting a bad case of face-melt by his own sith lightning. Vader got most of his flesh melted by lava then cyborged afterward. Obiwan was outright lying when he spoke about him to his son, the most I recall Anakin picking up was some dark circles under his eyes. Maybe if he kept it up without getting his shit ruined.

Or that could be changed and is non-canon now to be replaced by some bullshit but that's not the point of this thread. You are dead ass right that FEV is essentially just handwave bullshit like Midichlorians. Why does this thing exist? FEV and some generic scientist being naughty of course!

 

[Aquinas]

Nah you're thinking of Sheev getting a bad case of face-melt by his own sith lightning. Vader got most of his flesh melted by lava then cyborged afterward. Obiwan was outright lying when he spoke about him to his son, the most I recall Anakin picking up was some dark circles under his eyes. Maybe if he kept it up without getting his shit ruined.

the dark circles is most likely due to lack of propper rest, since he only meditates and has purposefully customized his suit to be as inhumanely irritating to him as possible, the only positive improvement from the original design he instilled into it, was grounding it to force lightning after palp threatened him with its weakness after vader revealed he found out about luke/palp lying

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Going back to the Frontier, it goes to show how far we've fallen as a society when giving the option to play a certain faction is suddenly a "fascist power fantasy" that's seen as wrong. I mean, I remember the old halcyon days of Mass Effect allowing you to be an open Space Racist and even conspiring to replace the multiracial government of the galaxy with a human council led by a human chairman, or playing as the Empire in several Star Wars games where you gun down dissidents for target practice and even enslave/genocide entire worlds for fun and profit. There's even this bit in the SWTOR MMO where an alien race is on their knees, begging you for mercy, and you can slaughter them down to the last furball instead.

@ 1:52
Imperial Guard General: "As for the selonians, Darth Decimus leaves their fate in your hands."
Selonian leader: *Begs for her life in front of the player*
Imperial player character: "We'll kill every last selonian on Corellia. Starting with you." *Kills selonian leader*
Imperial Guard General: "I will convey your orders. No selonian will be spared."

People nowadays just can't let fiction be fiction and let gamers have fun. They don't realize that IT'S FICTION, and you're allowed to cut loose because you're not killing real people. It all has to relate to modern politics, and you always have to be forced to do what's "right" in the eyes of the author. If that's the kind of crap they want, they might as well remove all choice in the matter and go with a standard Halo/Mario formula of just going from point A to point B and killing everything in between. At least those games didn't give you the illusion of choice, you have to kill the enemy in front of you, and that's that.

SJWs working in games with moral quandaries are always going to put politics over choice. Not that right-wing holy-polies are any better, but at least that crowd is honest about not wanting to give you the choice to be evil in videogames. The Frontier gives you the choice to work with a sexist Legion but oh no, they actually let women in and SECEDE FROM CAESAR without any consequences whatsoever. What a fucking joke.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

They keep circling the wagons in the TTW discord server everytime someone thinks its terrible lmao, and blaming it on "X youtuber said it was bad you're just going for mob rule"

Spoiler: Copium

I hope nobody gets their hopes up about it, because every-time they sperg out im betting more and more it will be either forgetable or shitshow part 2.

Sneedclave wins by doing absolutely nothing

 

[BrokenWokenBespoken]

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Going back to the Frontier, it goes to show how far we've fallen as a society when giving the option to play a certain faction is suddenly a "fascist power fantasy" that's seen as wrong. I mean, I remember the old halcyon days of Mass Effect allowing you to be an open Space Racist and even conspiring to replace the multiracial government of the galaxy with a human council led by a human chairman, or playing as the Empire in several Star Wars games where you gun down dissidents for target practice and even enslave/genocide entire worlds for fun and profit. There's even this bit in the SWTOR MMO where an alien race is on their knees, begging you for mercy, and you can slaughter them down to the last furball instead.

@ 1:52
Imperial Guard General: "As for the selonians, Darth Decimus leaves their fate in your hands."
Selonian leader: *Begs for her life in front of the player*
Imperial player character: "We'll kill every last selonian on Corellia. Starting with you." *Kills selonian leader*
Imperial Guard General: "I will convey your orders. No selonian will be spared."

People nowadays just can't let fiction be fiction and let gamers have fun. They don't realize that IT'S FICTION, and you're allowed to cut loose because you're not killing real people. It all has to relate to modern politics, and you always have to be forced to do what's "right" in the eyes of the author. If that's the kind of crap they want, they might as well remove all choice in the matter and go with a standard Halo/Mario formula of just going from point A to point B and killing everything in between. At least those games didn't give you the illusion of choice, you have to kill the enemy in front of you, and that's that.

SJWs working in games with moral quandaries are always going to put politics over choice. Not that right-wing holy-polies are any better, but at least that crowd is honest about not wanting to give you the choice to be evil in videogames. The Frontier gives you the choice to work with a sexist Legion but oh no, they actually let women in and SECEDE FROM CAESAR without any consequences whatsoever. What a fucking joke.

A part of it comes from the regret of how certain franchises got coopted as more than just a fascist power fantasy and became a real life manual like Warhammer 40k's Imperium of Man until the official company stance was to admit fault rather than be complicit in being used as idols for worship. The Enclave (not the remnants) are at the end of the day elitists who would want nothing more than the destruction of wasteland humanity in neat efficient solutions if given the chance. There may be elements who want to rule the place, but it is the same way how the Institute and Vault City views the rest of humanity, a bunch degenerate struggling pigs who can't stop shooting and killing one another and being a net negative on productivity. Even then the Enclave would accept a wastelander begrudgingly if they know how to at least fake being a PreWar Human.

As for the Legion, I feel like they should have instead of becoming an secessionist force, aim to assimilate the artists and creatives as part of the attempt to solidify Caesar's vision of a civilization, offering security in exchange for very effective propaganda campaigns as Portland becomes marked with more Legion Propaganda than a Liberal rally, unaware of the true intentions of the Legion. You visit a theatre and get suckered into a propaganda play about the Legion being a progressive paradise and how the NCR are demonized as capitalist rapists.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

On


A part of it comes from the regret of how certain franchises got coopted as more than just a fascist power fantasy and became a real life manual like Warhammer 40k's Imperium of Man until the official company stance was to admit fault rather than be complicit in being used as idols for worship. The Enclave (not the remnants) are at the end of the day elitists who would want nothing more than the destruction of wasteland humanity in neat efficient solutions if given the chance. There may be elements who want to rule the place, but it is the same way how the Institute and Vault City views the rest of humanity, a bunch degenerate struggling pigs who can't stop shooting and killing one another and being a net negative on productivity. Even then the Enclave would accept a wastelander begrudgingly if they know how to at least fake being a PreWar Human.

Yes, I know how a lot of actual Neo-Nazis are using 40K as a roadmap for what they want society to be. I've even seen some write about the Imperium as if it's something to be emulated, even though the average 40K fan with two brain cells to rub would know that's stupid.

But still, fiction is fiction. I can play games where I get to control the Galactic Empire from Star Wars and use it as a genocide simulator without becoming a genocidal prick in real life. I can play some 40K Space Marine and chainsword a bunch of Orks and Chaos Marines without actually wanting to gut people with a chainsaw in real life. The fact that SJWs can't separate fiction from reality and always have to represent their views from real life in fiction goes to show that they're as brain-addled as the Neo-Nazi retards who think copying the Imperium of Man in real life is OK.

As for the Legion, I feel like they should have instead of becoming an secessionist force, aim to assimilate the artists and creatives as part of the attempt to solidify Caesar's vision of a civilization, offering security in exchange for very effective propaganda campaigns as Portland becomes marked with more Legion Propaganda than a Liberal rally, unaware of the true intentions of the Legion. You visit a theatre and get suckered into a propaganda play about the Legion being a progressive paradise and how the NCR are demonized as capitalist rapists.

That seems OK, but I don't think the Legion would bother with propaganda plays. I'd see them instead as giving legitimate help and protection to the people of Portland, in exchange for obedience. They drive out gangs, distribute water and resources, but they lop your head off if you criticize them.

 

[BrokenWokenBespoken]

Yes, I know how a lot of actual Neo-Nazis are using 40K as a roadmap for what they want society to be. I've even seen some write about the Imperium as if it's something to be emulated, even though the average 40K fan with two brain cells to rub would know that's stupid.

But still, fiction is fiction. I can play games where I get to control the Galactic Empire from Star Wars and use it as a genocide simulator without becoming a genocidal prick in real life. I can play some 40K Space Marine and chainsword a bunch of Orks and Chaos Marines without actually wanting to gut people with a chainsaw in real life. The fact that SJWs can't separate fiction from reality and always have to represent their views from real life in fiction goes to show that they're as brain-addled as the Neo-Nazi retards who think copying the Imperium of Man in real life is OK.


That seems OK, but I don't think the Legion would bother with propaganda plays. I'd see them instead as giving legitimate help and protection to the people of Portland, in exchange for obedience. They drive out gangs, distribute water and resources, but they lop your head off if you criticize them.

It's not the gut people with a chainsaw so much as thinking genocide, hate speech and negative social values be openly encouraged, the reality is corps are so desperate to sanitize the foul stench they made attracting a toxic fanbase that they are overcompensating by injecting as much toxic social justice as they can into Star Wars instead of using an Imperial Campaign as a harsh cautionary tale about being loyal to genocidal regime is you don't get to defy orders like how Battlefront did, you will be murdering Jedi in cold blood and usher in an oppressive regime, you will help burn planets during Operation cinder and you will live with the fact you are a mass murderer and you are proud of it.

Think of the bread and circuses. You got something useful to the Legion and you use it to your advantage, so assimilate These artists and use them as another means to counter the NCR who whole strategy is hearts and minds. Nothing demoralize them like watching loyal Legion followers spray paint over their posters with Pro Legion Propaganda