Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

[Brandy [◉'']]

JP players will use DF for savage raids. Usually for reclears but it's doable. Stinky gaijin too afraid.

When I was still doing savage, the social aspect of doing it with 7 other idiots I am vibing with was very important to me. This 'join a group of randoms, everyone does their job and leave' kind of gameplay is absolutely not attractive to me.
I would also bet that Japan has a way, way higher Splatoon/Bossmod usage percentage than the west, they just don't run their mouth about it all the time.

 

[Racial Slurs the Movie]

Tower at Paradigm's Reach

This is me, the nier raids have bloated as fuck HP pools and it's not fun to be stuck fighting the same boss for 10 minutes cuz some retard decided to add an extra 0 to everythings HP.

 

[Fcret]

I would also bet that Japan has a way, way higher Splatoon/Bossmod usage percentage than the west, they just don't run their mouth about it all the time.

Japan's gimmick is that they settle on one (1) strategy, make a macro for it, and spread it around. The strat is usually extremely conservative and designed for consistent clears rather than pumping DPS. People also use the raid finder properly and practice specific phases.

The way Japan uses DF is basically the way we use PF except they can lean a little more on shame culture to keep tards from slipping in.

 

[Pigeon Enthusiast]

JP players will use DF for savage raids. Usually for reclears but it's doable. Stinky gaijin too afraid.

Their entire raider community settles on one fight strat with a macro they spread around, everyone practices it in PF, and when people are clear ready they go into RF to shoot for a clear. They disband if they wipe more than a couple times, and everyone queues up to try again.
It's basically just how PF clear parties work everywhere else.

If the NA raider community didn't insist on having like 3 or 4 competing strats for everything, and learned to read so people could figure out macros, it would be just as doable over here. You'd still have all the same problems as you do in PF clear parties, of course, with traps and prog liars and greedy mongoloids wiping you trying to get one more GCD for their ebin colored number, but there's no way to really get away from those. Not even JP with its stronger shame culture has actually managed to get rid of the tards, as as as I understand.

Anyway personally I don't bother raiding with PF because my interest in it is the social aspect of doing it with 7 other clowns I vibe with. The rewards are pointless when there's never anything to actually use the gear for (and it becomes obsolete in a few months anyway), so I don't care nearly enough about them to subject myself to PF's usual retard antics just for the drops. Probably gonna unsub soon though, not even that social aspect is enough to keep me interested in the shitpile that is the current state of the game anymore. Not like there's anything worthwhile to do coming for the rest of the expansion, anyway.

Might come back for 8.0, probably not. I doubt they're actually going to fix the problems I have with the game, given where they've been going with those things this whole expansion. Maybe I'll go try out WoW instead, at least for all the >Blizzard, they still seem to have their heads on straight about understanding they're making a game and not a glorified visual novel for second life modbeast troons.

 

[Fcret]

Might come back for 8.0, probably not. I doubt they're actually going to fix the problems I have with the game, given where they've been going with those things this whole expansion

My problem with coming back for 8.0 at this point is that I'd have to play the 7.x patches and after the 7.0 ending I am actively dreading having to deal with more gay not!america and evil sadgirl computer princess.

If the dev team makes a splash and shows that they've learned all their lessons about dumbing down the main gameplay loop and jobs, then I'll consider coming back. But honestly most of my in-game friends have quit, I'm in my 30s with a real job now, and I'm enjoying sinking my time into a greater variety of single-player games. Once you fall off the hook, it's hard to convince yourself, "yeah I should hop back on."

 

[sono chi no sadame]

dumbing down the main gameplay loop and jobs, then I'll consider coming back.

This and the infestation of players that turned the game into Second Life 2.0 pretty much guarantees I'll never come back. I spent 10 years playing the game and there's definitely some regret towards the second half of that decade.

 

[Pigeon Enthusiast]

My problem with coming back for 8.0 at this point is that I'd have to play the 7.x patches and after the 7.0 ending I am actively dreading having to deal with more gay not!america and evil sadgirl computer princess.

If the dev team makes a splash and shows that they've learned all their lessons about dumbing down the main gameplay loop and jobs, then I'll consider coming back. But honestly most of my in-game friends have quit, I'm in my 30s with a real job now, and I'm enjoying sinking my time into a greater variety of single-player games. Once you fall off the hook, it's hard to convince yourself, "yeah I should hop back on."

It's going to be like 2 more years of Dawntrail before 8.0 (between their obsession with summer releases, and the extended patch cycle dragging things out, we're not getting it before summer of 2027) and I suspect by the time that rolls around, I will be far enough off the hook for more than long enough to not be tempted into coming back. I might, but it'd take a basically complete 180 on gameplay design and jobs that I don't think CBU3 has it in them to pull off. Maybe if enough people bail and they actually start sensing danger to the cash cow that basically singlehandedly carries SE's yearly earnings calls, but I suspect even that is unlikely.

I'll probably still keep an eye on the Fanfest/media tour announcements though, whenever that rolls around, since they'll be teasing 8.0 and any potential changes then.

But my serious expectation is that they aren't going to. If there was going to be a serious realignment of gameplay and job design, they wouldn't be spending the 7.x patches ripping out the guts of the last jobs with some discernible identity, like they just did to Black Mage.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

My problem with coming back for 8.0 at this point is that I'd have to play the 7.x patches and after the 7.0 ending I am actively dreading having to deal with more gay not!america and evil sadgirl computer princess.

If the dev team makes a splash and shows that they've learned all their lessons about dumbing down the main gameplay loop and jobs, then I'll consider coming back. But honestly most of my in-game friends have quit, I'm in my 30s with a real job now, and I'm enjoying sinking my time into a greater variety of single-player games. Once you fall off the hook, it's hard to convince yourself, "yeah I should hop back on."

Damn, you're literally me. I do want to hop back on in, make a new character, fall back in love with this game again, but... if Dawntrail is a good indication of the future of FFXIV, then why bother?

It's going to be like 2 more years of Dawntrail before 8.0

Welp, that's two years of building up a steady cash flow to decide on whether I want to drop it all on a game that's currently running itself into the ground.

Seriously, it's AMAZING how Dawntrail has near-singlehandedly smashed FFXIV into the pavement; yes, there were a few issues beforehand - Endwalker has some pacing issues, certain long-time story arcs were getting wrapped up WAY too quickly - but nothing to this extent. I don't even necessarily think that trooncat's the main issue; it's the horrible story and gameplay itself that's the main problem.

 

[SuffahWhorse]

These days even casual content feels like it's too much for most players.
On one hand I'd like slightly challenging stuff as a casual. EXes are okay but once you get what you need, there's no incentive to come back, especially if it's current. On the other hand, I'd like to not be trapped or inconvenienced by players who are so bad at the game each time I hop into a queue.

It's because they increased the difficulty and mechanical complexity and bloat of Extremes to the point that they're now on par with a Savage. Started with Barbariccia, since then you can't reliably pug EXs anymore because there's just too much rote memorization and DDR bullshit, plus body-checks. Goblez EX is where I just gave up.

Hell, the fucking FALL GUYS EVENT had raid mechanics in it. Instead of just a fun casual game mode where you race other players to the finish while dodging obstacles, they filled each level with various complex bullshit (like that mechanic where you have a white hand spinning over your head and you can't move straight, only able to move in the direction the hand is pointing, but it's spinning super fucking fast so you need to hyper-focus on the hand and hyper-time every fucking exact movement just to make sure you're going in the direction you want. AND YOU DO THIS WHILE HAVING TO DODGE VARIOUS OTHER FUCKING MECHANICS). And then you had to deal with the fucking netcode on top of all that. And in the end cheaters were literally hacking their way to the finish line to win every single game so it made getting the achievement for 100 wins impossible, and of course SE did nothing about said cheaters (just like they do nothing about the speed-hackers in Rival Wings, or Crystaline Conflict)

Example of netcode fuckery:

The faggot devs can't even make a FUCKING FALL GUYS EVENT casual friendly.

Blame this slimy faggot who thinks everything in the game needs to be savage-tier.



He designs the content in this game to pander to streamer faggots like Arthars btw, that's why Chaotic even exists.

 

[Baguette Child]

Seriously, it's AMAZING how Dawntrail has near-singlehandedly smashed FFXIV into the pavement

As a new player who joined last year just before Dawntrail, I can't agree more. It's really kind of impressive how fast husband and I went from loving the game in 2.0 - 6.0 to complete ambivalence in 6.1+, to absolute disdain in 7.0. This game had us hooked. We were 100% onboard and ready to make this our main game. We were the perfect audience for the product they were selling. And somehow they still managed to fuck it all up in a little more than a single expansion and undo all the attachment we'd felt for the cast and world they've spent so long building.

It's incredibly wasteful when you think about how much effort and work was expended to build up this game only for the last expansion and a half to completely ruin it.

 

[Tanner Glass]

just like they do nothing about the speed-hackers in Rival Wings

I would wager that there's a substantial number of the FFXIV team that isn't aware that Rival Wings still exists.

"Wait, didn't we turn that off 6 years ago?" "No?" "For real?"

 

[SuffahWhorse]

I would wager that there's a substantial number of the FFXIV team that isn't aware that Rival Wings still exists.

"Wait, didn't we turn that off 6 years ago?" "No?" "For real?"

Remember how they took out that one mode, Astralagos, because the map was imbalanced in order to "fix" it, and they still haven't actually fixed it, the better-half of a decade later? It's actually been unplayable for far longer than it was ever playable. Pretty sure it still shows up in the que as "unnavailable".

 

[Dopey Cunt]

I just gave up.

Skill issue.

 

[Fcret]

Courtesy of llamatodd on xitter:

 

[Brandy [◉'']]

I really hope Deep Dungeon will be part of 7.3 and not 2 months later. Otherwise this patch will be terribly thin. MSQ, Ex and new XI Raid and...?