General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[masterstocking]

Gura and food in the tub: name a more classic combination

 

[RiverBear]

Until 2020 practically no one knew of Nijisanji in the west, same for Hololive, Hololive started to blow up in the oversea market with talents like Fubuki and Coco going viral overseas.

Nijisanji didn't have that Coco/Fubuki figure that paved the inroads to the market

This isn't the first time Niji blew up in the West prior to 2020; but you are correct in saying that they had no Coco or Fubuki like figure who welcomed the sudden influx of EOP viewers because what they decided to do is to push them away nor did management say to appeal to them

Heck, Sara (a Wave 1 liver) knew English since she was a hafu Brit yet only appealed to EOPs earlier this year

 

[Eddie IX]

Its been 20 seconds, I am already laughing at Miko and Korone English, this is either going to be a train wreck and I'm going to be crying with laughter. This is probably the most English your going to get out of this 24 hour stream. Feel free to witness it yourself:

FUCKING HELL THIS IS GOLD ALREADY

I've been pretty vocal about how much I enjoy EN-JP interacting, so suffice to say I am loving this.

As an aside: for the five minutes or so before this stream started, all the JP fans and overseas fans were saying good morning to each other in chat, very cute and wholesome.

 

[Dane Axe]

Suisei on her Stream Schedule in 2022 (Hoshimachi Suisei / Hololive) [Eng Subs]

Hoshimachi Suisei talks about what will happen with her stream schedule in 2022...● Source:【雑談】今年最後の雑談 / Chit chat【ホロライブ / 星街すいせい】https://www.youtube.com/wat...

m.youtube.com

So Suisei is basically going to pull an Ayame this year.

How many of you wanna take bets the unspoken reason is her boytoys nearing the end of her jailbait wait to go public?

 

[Bingeamint]

Credit where credit is due, Korone is trying to so hard with her English and its very impressive, she gets VERY close but misses a word or too. Then it goes to Miko and then it gets butchered to fucking oblivion and back. Also artwork has started to pop up already

Link to the Pic

 

[Renmai]

Uh oh big brain Gura moment!? Can she pull a Choco?

edit: oo That was actually pretty damn close.

edit: Reference

 

[Thomas Talus]

Uh oh big brain Gura moment!? Can she pull a Choco?

edit: oo That was actually pretty damn close.

Shark brain was already exhausted from trying to de-elite.

 

[Chronic Lurker]

So Ame and possibly Gura are just going to straight fail the Japanese phrases right?

Edit: I think I heard the moment Gura's brain wanted to give up.

 

[grenskul]

Fubuki's primary contribution to Hololive being a big success in the English speaking word is some cover of Scatman or whatever, and Miko saying a slur habing no idea what it means is approximately similar in impact.

Coco has a lot of experience in the Western world to be that actual bridge, which then spawned a ton of clippers that added to the momentum of it.

Before Hololive reached high success, Tokino Sora herself had less success than Dennou Shojo Siro, and even today isn't among the more popular Hololive members in spite of high recognition.

Meanwhile, the Hololive brand alone somehow got people all over Mano Aloe who barely even got to do anything before quitting, Ayame is Ayame and retains her numbers regardless, and now it's lost its overseas thunder enough for people in here to keep bringing up Tsukumo Sana not recovering after bailing for like a month because of her dog not long after debut.

Then we have holoX printing money with far less time to do their thing than anyone else in the company. Is that because most of the other Holo talents can't shape up compared to them? It's obviously just because a hype train gave them enough to keep growing.

I see you attributing a bunch of things to "hololive" instead of the talents . This is literally the connor "if you're in hololive you're automatically successful and are obviously a talent less hack with a brand behind you doing all the work" thing .
As far as I see it the people printing money are the third and fifth gen mostly (not counting 4th cause coco had the graduation where she pulled completely retarded numbers). Hell pekora still rapes everyone in view hours and her "hype train" was years ago .Every gen has it's honey moon period . It's normal . Is it getting better with time? Yes obivously , cover does banger after banger and people want to be there from the start. But a weaker talent can easily not do anything with it . Look at Sana and Lui. Their gens were super successful and there they are just being mid .

 

[Dane Axe]

I see you attributing a bunch of things to "hololive" instead of the talents . This is literally the connor "if you're in hololive you're automatically successful and are obviously a talent less hack with a brand behind you doing all the work" thing .
As far as I see it the people printing money are the third and fifth gen mostly (not counting 4th cause coco had the graduation where she pulled completely retarded numbers). Hell pekora still rapes everyone in view hours and her "hype train" was years ago .Every gen has it's honey moon period . It's normal . Is it getting better with time? Yes obivously , cover does banger after banger and people want to be there from the start. But a weaker talent can easily not do anything with it . Look at Sana and Lui. Their gens were super successful and there they are just being mid .

So you're saying people still crying about Mano Aloe even now every now and then is because she was just that amazing in the what, one stream she had?

That Tokino Sora deserved to not be much more popular than a 2 view indie when she was starting out because back then she just didn't have what it takes?

That Ayame barely showing up still warrants her audience numbers because every time she does she strikes gold?

 

[Renmai]

Let's go Takashi, whoever the fuck you are.

RIP Kronni.

 

[What the shit]

So you're saying people still crying about Mano Aloe even now every now and then is because she was just that amazing in the what, one stream she had?

That Tokino Sora deserved to not be much more popular than a 2 view indie when she was starting out because back then she just didn't have what it takes?

That Ayame barely showing up still warrants her audience numbers because every time she does she strikes gold?

What?

 

[grenskul]

So you're saying people still crying about Mano Aloe even now every now and then is because she was just that amazing in the what, one stream she had?

Well obivously to some people. Cause the fans she has now were all diehard enough to stay with her post holo.

That Tokino Sora deserved to not be much more popular than a 2 view indie when she was starting out because back then she just didn't have what it takes?

Back then it was more complicated, vtubers were not as much of a thing yet and the big one was doing scripted content. She was ahead of her time (not talent wise) but even today sora is not that special. She is more of a company hallmark than that good of a talent.

That Ayame barely showing up still warrants her audience numbers because every time she does she strikes gold?

Again I don't see how this is a hololive thing. It's not like they promote their talents that much . She clearly has her dedicated simps and those will wait till she needs more money.

 

[Renmai]

EN is talking about dropping pizza and grilling on fenders, JP is dropping proverbs and shit.

 

[Becomezet]

Spoiler: Spergery

Honestly I think touting Nijisanji's renown in Japan as a factor in their EN branches success or failure is misguided at best.

Not to say it has zero effect because it will affect it to a degree, but Japanese brand recognition doesn't mean fuck all in markets outside of Japan. "Brand recognition" only matters in markets where that brand recognition exists, and outside of Japan Nijisanji does not command the renown that they have domestically. Like if if the Lawsons of Family Mart convenience stores from japan suddenly opened in the US they wouldn't recieve some massive boost despite being household names in Japan, they would probably fail here to competition that is better recognized in the market.

"Man Nijisanji EN is really underperforming, I thought Nijisanji was the big name in Vtubers" is pulling metrics from one market to compare it to another different one.

Until 2020 practically no one knew of Nijisanji in the west, same for Hololive, Hololive started to blow up in the oversea market with talents like Fubuki and Coco going viral overseas, getting them brand recognition there, and then they capitalized on that recognition and launched an EN branch.

Nijisanji didn't have that Coco/Fubuki figure that paved the inroads to the market and Nijisanji remained relatively unknown to probably the majority of overseas viewers. They might be popular in Japan, but they didn't have that brand recognition and thus momentum behind them when Nijisanji EN began. (bear in mind communities like here aren't very representative of the broader public, we're the people autistic enough to argue about this niche bullshit and pay attention to it, most people are not)

It is because the whole "well they aren't doing as well as hololive so they aren't doing well" shtick is just stupid.

It's like looking at someone winning the silver medal at the Olympics and going "wow they really under performed"

They're still a "world class runner" they're just in second place.

point taken, although I believe the example still illustrates the point I was trying to make regardless of the distinction.

LMAO,well those nijifags have the reason to get mad at you or maybe they just wont admit it because its true? whatever lol,why they should mad at you? well u said that niji dont have fans in the west or outside of japan,NO they have a TONS of fans outside of japan,the thing is,there is a clear difference between holo fans and niji fans that lead to why holo become more successfull globally outside of japan even with holo JP(like miko,korone,fubuki,coco etc).

the difference between holo fans and niji fans that lead to one being successfull and one is not is:
1.holo fans is a normie(i know surprisingly enough they arent the gachikoi weeb who care about parasocial relationship with waifu ppl think they are),what a normie do when they like a youtuber/streamer/vtuber? they shared it EVERYWHERE to the point it become a double edge sword(ppl hate the fans,but the good things ppl knew the vtuber and checking them out).

2.meanwhile nijifans is ur typical "elitist autist weeb that gatekeep everything and dont want any ENGLISH in their weeb vtuber stuff",they are the retard whos going "who cares about holo numbers?? its better to have VERY SMALL 2-3 digits viewers and subs but its fully gatekeep and have no ENGLISH AT ALL,fully japanese(because they are weeb elitist) than being POPULAR like holo"<<yeah this is their mindset,thats why MANY PPL including u didnt know nijisanji and nijifags exist lol.how come i know? because i watch and part of niji fandom because holo is not even relevant before,so this mentality is always there from the start UNTIL everyone realise(including niji themself) that "clips,clipper and fans that sharing the vtuber everywhere is a good thing,NO ITS A MUST THING TO DO".

thats why we always laughed at all those niji fans,no DUMB NIJI FAGS now talking about "clip,sharing their niji vtuber and ofc ENVTUBERS that hated before holo myth success" are literally EATING THEIR OWN WORDS back,like all these resident nijifag shiling niji en while back then they are the one who keep saying "who need ENVTUBER?? guys,jp vtuber is the only way to go" LMAO

if u say that niji dont have "footholds",niji dont have the "opportunity",its either u just dumb or PLAYING DUMB,ill say it clear,niji has always first before holo,they have all their money,resource,they have in house rigger etc,but the fact that some small niche nobody aidoru vtuber can beat them is because of their own failure, and yeah ill say it clear that ITS NOT COCO/FUBUKI that make holo popular,its because ppl who WATCH them that keep sharing them,making clips that giving them the exposure and ofc cover being a "not stupid jap corpo who takes the opportunity" all going ok for it,they dont stop fans/clipper because they knew its a free ads.
niji fans/clipper did exist even from before,but they didnt do it as much as holo one because like i said before,they are the "retarded autist weeb elitist who gatekeep and DIDNT WANT ppl know about niji" look at them now lol.

 

[Chronic Lurker]

So you're saying people still crying about Mano Aloe even now every now and then is because she was just that amazing in the what, one stream she had?

That Tokino Sora deserved to not be much more popular than a 2 view indie when she was starting out because back then she just didn't have what it takes?

That Ayame barely showing up still warrants her audience numbers because every time she does she strikes gold?

So people sympathizing with someone and getting overly attached to them when something bad happens and is broadcasted over the internet is unique to Hololive, not like that could happen to anyone else.

So some just starting out in a new industry were this isn't a large established fanbase and struggles to get going is the same as someone failing to get views when their is a large viewer base, people constantly looking for new oshis to build a parasocial relationship with, and multiple successful people to mimic in order to gain attention.

So someone having a devoted fanbase that seems to genuinely like her and show up in large numbers despite not streaming as often as she "should" has to because she from Hololive. No one else might stream rarely but still pull large viewership because their fans are still interested in watching them even if its not as frequent as other streamers.

Grenskul is being a bit spergy, but he isn't incorrect about people wanting to attribute Holomembers success to the company, but somehow every Niji Liver is a underdog that has fought valiantly to get viewers and deserves unwavering approval.

Recently I saw people praising Selen for commissioning the chibi models, and Luxiem for the fast viewership gains. The chibis are exactly what Ame did months ago for the smols but she came up with the idea herself, and the viewership gains are from a large established fanbase jumping onto the new members. This is the exact same thing that happens with Holos but on a smaller scale.

 

[Cubanodun]

Polka arrived and first thing she does is praising Elite for upgrading her japanese

 

[What the shit]

@Becomezet I’m not reading all that faggot. You have a lot of time on your hands to write absolutely nothing.

 

[Dane Axe]

What?

This shit started from "Nijisanji just doesn't have good talents thats why Hololive wins."

Hololive itself has a bunch of factors that involve high popularity over that, to the point it even benefits the talents that haven't had much to even show.

Prior to those factors, Tokino Sora who started it, and even Sakura Miko who belonged to Cover at the time, weren't breaking bank.

I don't give a damn about any of the holoEN talents besides IRyS and would rather watch Vox or Rosemi. How could this be? Doesn't one group have explosive popularity proving their worth while the other are struggling from lack of appeal?

The day popularity is determined by how much someone is worth watching is the day SSSniperwolf gets the fuck off YouTube's front page.

 

[Becomezet]

@Becomezet I’m not reading all that faggot. You have a lot of time on your hands to write absolutely nothing.

get a mirror and say that again in front of the mirror,your welcome.oh dont forget to wear clown mask first.