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Holy fuck. I guess WWE usually gets unexpected in person viewers with shows being outdoors at some of the stadiums.
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we couldn't see anything inside the bowl but we could make decent guesses about who the entrances were from the lighting and all shining out
 
Julianus Chadus Maximus said:
Did any of you guys get into wrestling by playing the video games ? That's how I became a fan.

My favorite wrestling game to this day is still Smackdown vs Raw 2006 , when that game came out in late 2005 it blew everything else out of the water.

The soundtrack is incredible, season mode was at it's peak, the semi realistic semi arcade gameplay was unmatched by any other wrestling game, GM mode was well executed , almost no game in 2005 had graphics as good as SVR 2006 when it came out ( still holds up today ) and the roster was almost as good as Here Comes the Pain.

9.5 Masterpiece is what this game is .
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Same here, although I still don't have interest in watching the actual product, and so my wrestling exposure is only through video games and the WrestleCrap website.

Speaking of video games, I finished up 2K25 MyRise, and one part about it confused me:

In the Reclaim ending where you recruit the Past 2K MyRise characters, Buzz from 2K19, Red & Tre from 2K20, the two characters from 2K22 (they're unnamed), The Lock and LJ in 2K23, and The Dark Horse and The Captain in 2K24 all make appearances. It was implied (I think), that this takes place before Red & Tre's WWE HOF induction, since "being on the cover of a WWE video game" was part of their Bucket List. Red then makes a comment about Tre's real birth parents being dead, even though Tre only found about this during the HOF ceremony when villain Brooklyn Von Braun revealed that, even though Red knew about that beforehand, but chose to hide the truth from Tre for some reason. That sounds like a slipup on 2K's end.

Also, I found it hilarious how the Male character used Home Alone booby traps to try to stop Mutiny.

The Past 2K MyRise recruit option as a whole feels like a 4th-wall breaking moment to give nods to the old MyRise characters. It was also strange that you only get the old 2K MyRise characters as MyFaction cards, while most of the other MyRise characters can be unlocked to use in all game modes. Brooklyn Von Braun still being MIA and unavailable is a disappointment though.

Also, does anyone think that the storylines in the 2K games seem better than the Wrestling storylines IRL? I would have liked to see how an IRL version of the NXT Mutiny storyline would look like. Also, what's the %/% of WWE and 2K being in charge of the storylines for the games?

And one other thing, is do the WWE wrestlers make little to no effort in voicing them? Most of the voiceover work sounds phoned in, and sometimes they get someone else to do the voiceover work, i.e. John Cena in 2K19, with the exception of a few like Drew McIntyre and Samoa Joe, and the 2K MyRise characters always seem to have good voiceover work to them, even with the occasional cringy dialog, i.e. Red's "I'M GONNA GIVE YOUR GRANDMOTHER BEDSORES!" line in 2K20.
 
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Thiletonomics said:
And one other thing, is do the WWE wrestlers make little to no effort in voicing them? Most of the voiceover work sounds phoned in, and sometimes they get someone else to do the voiceover work, i.e. John Cena in 2K19, with the exception of a few like Drew McIntyre and Samoa Joe, and the 2K MyRise characters always seem to have good voiceover work to them, even with the occasional cringy dialog, i.e. Red's "I'M GONNA GIVE YOUR GRANDMOTHER BEDSORES!" line in 2K20.
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Voice acting isn't as easy as it sounds, especially when you're much more used to live performance where you have crowd feedback.

Cena in 2k19 I'm pretty sure was because they couldn't get him for some reason, but it's hilarious.

In 2k22 Edge's voice was literally phoned in. It sounded like it came out of a cell phone and it completely breaks the immersion lol.
 
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Non Incestual CK3 Player said:
Voice acting isn't as easy as it sounds, especially when you're much more used to live performance where you have crowd feedback.

Cena in 2k19 I'm pretty sure was because they couldn't get him for some reason, but it's hilarious.

In 2k22 Edge's voice was literally phoned in. It sounded like it came out of a cell phone and it completely breaks the immersion lol.
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Jey Uso and Jade Cargill also sounded like they were half-asleep while they were recording their lines for 2K25. Also, JBL's commentary lines in SVR 2008 were so monotone and literally sound like he was just literally reading the lines to replace (I think it was) Tazz on commentary.

I do wonder how much crossover fans of wrestling games have with the actual wrestling shows/events/other fandom.
 
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I never got wholly invested in WCW until one of my buddies got World Tour in the N64 and talked my ear off about all the guys up to that point I never heard of mainly the cruiserweights: Rey, Eddie, Stinko Malenko, Benoit etc. After that I started to get more into WCW because they featured the young up and comers at the beginning of the show.
 
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RasterTatth said:
a real genuine WWE show(NXT don't count) has dropped below a million viewers
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Remember all those BS documentaries that claimed that Vince McMahon was the real genius of the attitude era , not Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara ? Guess we know the truth now. Even in the darkest days of WCW/2000 (which weren't really Russo's fault ) Russo still managed to pull in 2.5 to 3 million viewers per show on average. No show ever dipped below a 1 rating. WWE could only dream of achieving those kind of numbers these days.
 
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Julianus Chadus Maximus said:
Did any of you guys get into wrestling by playing the video games ? That's how I became a fan.
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I got into wrestling renting Coliseum Video tapes from the video store in the early 1990s. A mix of late Golden Era and early New Generation Era stuff.

I got into watching superstars on TV at the time too. It used to come on Saturday afternoons on, I want to say, ITV out of Alberta. I don't think Raw aired in a regular timeslot in Canada until the late 1990s when it was on TSN.
Martys_not_smarty said:
I never got wholly invested in WCW until one of my buddies got World Tour in the N64 and talked my ear off about all the guys up to that point I never heard of mainly the cruiserweights: Rey, Eddie, Stinko Malenko, Benoit etc. After that I started to get more into WCW because they featured the young up and comers at the beginning of the show.
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This is the exact same way I got into WCW. A friend was into WCW and wanted to rent it one night. I saw the heel Hogan on the cover and the game and was intrigued. I didn't know he had turned heel until that point. I vaguely remember seeing some early Hogan WCW stuff on some syndicated WCW show we got on cable here in Canada at the time. WCW was hard to follow because TSN bounced it around a lot. I want to say Nitro used to be on Wednesday afternoon after school.
 
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Onni Kalsarikännit said:
My first wrestling game was for the NES but it wasn't one from WWE. Don't remember the name but I still remember it bc back then I already knew about wrestling and got super excited when I saw the game in a store, my dad bought it, we got home, I put it in the console and got super disappointed the moment I saw it had no Hulk Hogan and no Macho Man but some guys I never had heard of and that probably just were made up characters anyways. If I remember correctly it had a Japanese guy named Hayabusa but not sure if it was supposed to be the actual Hayabusa. In the end I had a lot of fun with the game.

My 2nd one and the first "brand" wrestling game was the WWE game for NES that had actual WWE characters (Hogan, Macho, I think Bret Hart, Taker and Ted DiBiase where there too, forgot about the rest), had a steel cage and was all blue. Like everything was blue besides the characters. Loved that game.

3rd one was the WWE Royal Rumble one for SNES. That was the best one bc Royal Rumble.
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The first game you're talking about is Pro Wrestling. It's the best wrestling game on NES, though that's not a high bar, because most of the NES wrestling games were awful even by 80s standards.
 
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Julianus Chadus Maximus said:
Remember all those BS documentaries that claimed that Vince McMahon was the real genius of the attitude era , not Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara ? Guess we know the truth now. Even in the darkest days of WCW/2000 (which weren't really Russo's fault ) Russo still managed to pull in 2.5 to 3 million viewers per show on average. No show ever dipped below a 1 rating. WWE could only dream of achieving those kind of numbers these days.
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It's a different time. Just look at the viewership numbers for everything on TV. I remember when LOST was the hottest show on TV and its was pulling around 20 million. Now all the top TV shows (excluding live sports which have been immune due to their nature) are around 5-8 million. Far fewer people are watching broadcast TV.
 
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RasterTatth said:
a real genuine WWE show(NXT don't count) has dropped below a million viewers
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US wrestling in general is fairly poor at the moment. It's either incredibly stagnant as regards storylines, they are pushing the wrong people or they are relying too much on nostalgia and people are fed up of that.

I feel bad for Cena because he is retiring in a fairly shite period despite carrying the industry for a good few years. I don't really give a shit who his final opponent is unless it's someone completely out of left field like Tanahashi or Omega. Him wrestling Gunther, Brock or Cody or whoever the fuck is something that could happen on any random episode of Raw.
 
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Dragged Into Sunlight said:
It's a different time. Just look at the viewership numbers for everything on TV. I remember when LOST was the hottest show on TV and its was pulling around 20 million. Now all the top TV shows (excluding live sports which have been immune due to their nature) are around 5-8 million. Far fewer people are watching broadcast TV.
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It's a work, brother.
 
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COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST said:
The Rock turned hokey very quickly once he gained more power in the locker room and with the writers. People don't remember the "sack of monkey crap" or "pie-eating" stuff because it was awful. Although I will concede I always pop for a certain promo.
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I always thought that The Rocks best work was from mid 97 to 99 (with corporate champion Rock being his peak IMO). Once the turn of the century happened and he became the face of the company due to Austin's injury, his shit was watered down and wasn't as good as it used to be.
 
trent said:
I feel bad for Cena because he is retiring in a fairly shite period despite carrying the industry for a good few years. I don't really give a shit who his final opponent is unless it's someone completely out of left field like Tanahashi or Omega. Him wrestling Gunther, Brock or Cody or whoever the fuck is something that could happen on any random episode of Raw.
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Cena's final opponent should have been whoever he wanted that was possible to get. It's most likely going to be Gunther, which I get they want to do to build him up as a monster but that's already been accomplished. Unless it's to build Gunther winning the WWE Championship from Cody at WrestleMania (I guarantee you this isn't happening) there isn't much value in having Gunther be the guy to "retire" Cena.
 
Kermit the Frog said:
Cena's final opponent should have been whoever he wanted that was possible to get. It's most likely going to be Gunther, which I get they want to do to build him up as a monster but that's already been accomplished. Unless it's to build Gunther winning the WWE Championship from Cody at WrestleMania (I guarantee you this isn't happening) there isn't much value in having Gunther be the guy to "retire" Cena.
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What's worse is Brock already did the match. So now the big new monster is going to struggle more to beat Cena than the old monster did. Gunther is gonna at best look like baby Brock.
 
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