If John Kerry won the 2004 election

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In an alternate timeline, John Kerry wins 4 Purple Hearts in the Vietnam war and gains massive acclaim. In the close election of 2004, he receives narrowly enough votes to secure the state, winning one of the closest elections in US history. As the new president, he had mild legislative success. With a Republican congress at his side, he is able to compromise to achieve some progressive breakthroughs. This includes an increase to the federal minimum wage and guaranteed healthcare coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions. However, this includes concessions to conservatives, such as further tax cuts and credits in some cases, as well as border fence funding (similar to our Secure Fence Act of 2006.) He also opposes social security privatization and an amendment banning gay marriage, although he does not have any real power to prevent the latter. His position on Iraq damages him, as he eventually has to admit that he was fully mistaken for supporting the war, and approves a gradual withdrawal, somewhat contrary to his prior criticism of Bush not properly entering the war. As an attempt to gain Democratic control in the 2006 midterms, he announces a final withdrawal from Iraq by early 2007, with mixed reactions. This move both helps and hurts him, as the Democrats are unable to win the Senate but do gain the House. By 2008, insurgents nearly topple the Iraqi Government, causing Kerry to reenter the conflict in limited number. This event acts as a large humiliation for Kerry's 2008 presidential bid, as he receives bipartisan backlash over his actions in Iraq. In addition, a terrible recession begins, as the housing market implodes and several financial firms go under. Kerry blames this event over previous financial deregulation, although this is unable to savage his reputation. The final blow to his political career was a scandal involving him and his VP, John Edwards. They were revealed to be in a homosexual relationship, even though Edwards' wife was currently dying of cancer. This horrible scandal forced Kerry to drop out of the race, leaving a senator named Barack Obama to take his place. The Republicans nominate an another ambitious senator, Rick Santorum. He sweeps the race, and becomes president easily. In the end, this song plays in every Americans' home.
 
The timeline got fucked. If he secured a 4th Purple Heart instead of only 3 he would've won.
 
I think the Democrats were willing to let Obama be the nominee in 2008 because it was a year that favoured Democrats anyway but, in this alternate timeline, the Democrats would have gone with the "safer"bet to replace unpopular President John Kerry which would've been Hillary Clinton.
 
Wasn't Kerry in a Hillary 2016 position where people thought he was a shoo in to win it? I was too young to remember much of anything besides my dad being very certain he had it in the bag.
No, it was predicted to be a relatively close election, but both sides always believe it to be an easy victory for their candidate. I remember liberal commentators believing Bush was such a fuck-up that he could not win, but I also remember conservatives believing Kerry was too much of a weak pussy to win.
 
I doubt anything involving Iraq would end up making him a 1-term president, but the inevitable recession likely would. In all likelihood, Kerry would have broken all promises regarding Iraq, war, Guantanamo, and civil liberties like Obama did and forever wars would have become cool and the anti-war left would have disappeared four years earlier. Maybe Trump or someone like him would have seized the opportunity in 2008, since the recession was probably going to take the one in power out and both parties would be weakened and hated even more by everyone in this scenario.
 
Wasn't Kerry in a Hillary 2016 position where people thought he was a shoo in to win it? I was too young to remember much of anything besides my dad being very certain he had it in the bag.
No, I remember Kerry really pissed off conservatives with a bunch of his proposed policies. Like, he promoted potentially allowing widespread illegal immigrant amnesty, banning gun shows (I'm an Okie, so I remember hearing a lot of adults complaining about that policy) & I think he also supported "investigating" pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Honestly, from a glance at his campaign's Wikipedia page, he kinda didn't really offer much difference in terms of policy from Bush, aside from sorta implying he might pull out of Iraq/Afghanistan, banning gunshows, and possibly amnesty. I guess Kerry lost 'cause he couldn't get liberals enthusiastic enough to go to the polls?
 
That’s ancient history lol. But pretty much every dem and rino is made in a factory so I wouldn’t expect anything different.

But maybe the MIC made it happen so George Bush could keep war hawking
 
No, I remember Kerry really pissed off conservatives with a bunch of his proposed policies. Like, he promoted potentially allowing widespread illegal immigrant amnesty, banning gun shows (I'm an Okie, so I remember hearing a lot of adults complaining about that policy) & I think he also supported "investigating" pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Honestly, from a glance at his campaign's Wikipedia page, he kinda didn't really offer much difference in terms of policy from Bush, aside from sorta implying he might pull out of Iraq/Afghanistan, banning gunshows, and possibly amnesty. I guess Kerry lost 'cause he couldn't get liberals enthusiastic enough to go to the polls?
Bush actually supported liberal immigration proposals such as giving massive amnesty (see the 2007 immigrant bill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7iV3IExT28)
He also did support ending the "gun show loophole"
>During his campaign and presidency, President George W. Bush endorsed the idea of background checks at gun shows. Bush's position was that the gun show loophole should be closed by federal legislation since the gun show loophole was created by previous federal legislation.
Not only that, but he did support the idea of an assault rifle ban extension, but congress was unable to pass one.
 
Bush actually supported liberal immigration proposals such as giving massive amnesty (see the 2007 immigrant bill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7iV3IExT28)
He also did support ending the "gun show loophole"
>During his campaign and presidency, President George W. Bush endorsed the idea of background checks at gun shows. Bush's position was that the gun show loophole should be closed by federal legislation since the gun show loophole was created by previous federal legislation.
Not only that, but he did support the idea of an assault rifle ban extension, but congress was unable to pass one.
damn he really was the worst president in US history; even worse than Jimmy Carter
 
I know that picture. It's from Jib Jab. JIB JAB! is what you would hear at the end of their videos.


No, I don't think Kerry would have won at all. Even in alternative timeline. In order for Kerry to win you would have to change other events in history. 9/11 would have to never have happened. In the mid 2000's most Americans were still upset about 9/11 and on the war path. Then you have all the wars that came after 9/11. Bush had the advantage of being a war time president. Also, when he went to NY and climbed on top of the rubble that used to be the twin towers and told that guy in the crowd "I can hear you and the people who did this will hear you". That was probably the most badass iconic thing Bush ever did. I say that as a person who learned to hate him. I voted for him in 2004. I have regretted ever since. I stopped being so hard on myself after voting for Trump in 2016. It was my first and last time voting in a general election till 2016.

Kerry got swift boated Dubya got a second term and that's how shit went down.
I think the Democrats were willing to let Obama be the nominee in 2008 because it was a year that favoured Democrats anyway but, in this alternate timeline, the Democrats would have gone with the "safer"bet to replace unpopular President John Kerry which would've been Hillary Clinton.
The Democrats went with Obama because they knew the white guilt vote was going to play a major role. It was a huge part of Obammy winning. Hillary was ordered to stand down because of it and let the magic nigger run. Matter of fact the whole birther stuff Boomers used to go on about back then came from the Clintons. Trump got it from them and just ran with it.
Wasn't Kerry in a Hillary 2016 position where people thought he was a shoo in to win it? I was too young to remember much of anything besides my dad being very certain he had it in the bag.
No, it wasn't like that back then. Bush ended up winning the elector college vote and the popular vote. He was the last Republican to do so till Trump.

 
It's kind of forgotten how much liberals hated Bush in the 2000s because since Trump came along they have sort of rehabilitated Bush. But at the time liberals straight up could not believe that Bush had managed to win a second term. It seemed so obvious that Bush was a fuck up that the idea that Kerry could lose seemed unbelievable. It's kind of hard to do a "what if?" where Kerry wins, because I absolutely believe that he could have won if he had done things differently, but the version of Kerry that wins the election would be a different person to the Kerry that ran in 2004 and probably would have governed differently to how actual 2004 Kerry would have governed if he had won.

I remember seeing the scene of Kerry giving testimony against the Vietnam War in the Ken Burns documentary. And I remember thinking "this guy would have won in 2004, he seems like an actual human being." But 2004 Kerry was more like an automaton the Dems wheeled out, he needed to be willing to show the same anger he had shown in the 70s, because a lot of people were angry, some of it was anger at Bush, but I think there was a sort of frustration with the global war on terror that just turned into a sort of generalized anger directed at nothing in particular. And Kerry absolutely failed to capitalize on that, some Clintonite aide must have said something about "when they go low we go high" and Kerry believed it.

I don't think President Kerry does anything too different in Iraq to what Bush did. Howard Dean is the one that wanted to withdraw from Iraq, Kerry had this dumb triangulation strategy of "the problem with the Iraq War is that we aren't doing it properly." He might have flirted with withdrawing troops, but I think he would have been too much of a coward to go through with it. There was a definite anti-war vote in 2004 and they ended up getting behind Kerry in a "lesser of two evils" sort of way, but their hearts weren't in it. There was this very strong desire for revenge in the aftermath of 9/11, I think that was starting to break by the time the 2004 election happened, but there was still a lot of what I can only call "revenge inertia" behind Bush. And Kerry absolutely failed to neutralize that.

I think the biggest difference with a Kerry presidency is that he would have tried to do some sort of healthcare reform that probably would have ended up looking very similar to Obamacare because like Obama he would have been too much of a coward to push for a public option. Obamacare was meant to be a version of liberal healthcare that appealed to conservatives, but it just pissed off both sides and pleased nobody but the insurance companies, because liberals thought they were getting a European style system and they didn't get that, and conservatives just straight up did not want any liberal healthcare reform at all.

Obamacare led to a dem wipeout in the 2010 midterms, but Obama was a skilled enough politician that he was able to recover in 2012. I don't think Kerry could have done that after a similarly unpopular policy. On the other hand Obama really triggered conservatives on a personal level, and I don't think Kerry would have done the same because he is just so boring, there isn't much to hate with him. But then again Republicans do seem to work themselves into a frenzy over the stupidest shit, so maybe they would have found something. Anyway, I don't think he avoids the GFC, though it's impossible to say really. Maybe he would have, but I think if he did have to deal with the GFC he would have gotten the blame for it, so his reelection bid probably would have been doomed.

I feel like this is too serious of a post for an OP that contains "John Kerry and John Edwards were gay lovers," I don't think Obama would have been the nominee in 2008, gay Kerry scandal or not, the dems would have been very reluctant to change horses mid race. It took so much to get them to dump Biden and his brain straight up doesn't work anymore.

The main thing I remember about 2004 Kerry is that he was a coward who was trying to find the path of least resistance in everything he did. Liberals couldn't believe that he ended up being perceived as weak and indecisive because he actually fought in Vietnam while Bush hid out in the Texas National Guard. They didn't really get that it wasn't really a question of how bravely Kerry fought in Vietnam so much as a question of whether he would be brave enough to fight back when called out by Bush in 2004. The last thing is that liberals were just completely blind-sided by the swiftboating strategy that sank Kerry. This is when troop worship was at its height, so liberals though that by nominating a troop they could take advantage of that. They didn't really get that supporting the troops in the abstract wouldn't necessarily translate into support for a particular troop.
 
It's kind of forgotten how much liberals hated Bush in the 2000s because since Trump came along they have sort of rehabilitated Bush.
It still looked tame and reasonable compared to TDS, IIRC.

Like they may have thought Americans were "idiots" for voting for Bush, and Bush was bad, but there wasn't really that "Americans are fascist" or "he's Hitler 2.0", or all that other crazy demonizing that happened back then. Because there wasn't "social justice", nor "social media" back then. Bush supporters weren't potential targets as MAGA-hat wearers would be in Current Year Portland. I miss it.
 
I don't know about that timeline, but in this one I'd be pretty stoked if he showed up at Bush's door tomorrow and knocked teeth out of his fucking mouth. Pretty much any ill Bush Jr. suffers will brighten my day. His father should have stripped him of the family name. Fuck that neocon.
 
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