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I was gonna say that yeah, she goes on these big tears about how Aliana is an anti-hero done right, or how the Sith resurgence teaches morality, meanwhile the art repping it looks like this:
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I think it was Liliana who said one time that she told Mikaila to make Alaina's hair look messy and she got a bit of backlash because "messy/nappy/dirty" is a negative stereotype attached to black people's hair. Of course it didn't mattered because then her two black friends came to defend her and assure her Alaina was fine.
Just to point that detail at least has a reason for being. I don't really think Mikaila can do curls beyond it's more simplified form based on how she decides to draw her own:
It's slighty different at how she does Alaina's hair at least.
On other news, Liliana hasn't bothered to update Mikaila's profile on the comic so she still appears as just engaged. Has Mikaila always been refered to as "minor human character"? It must feel great to being treated as the comedic side character at best on the comic you're drawing for free just so your wife can cuck you with a Pokemon.
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Bit late to the party, but I see Lily's banging the "it's literally the creator's fault for the lack of 'proper' LGBT rep" gong again. No wonder people don't take her seriously, it's like saying Rebecca Sugar and her boarders were responsible for the hiatuses. These people don't handle the distribution side of the fucking thing and most creators walk a very fine line with the execs at the best of times. When you attempt to take a stand (i.e. like Sugar did with the wedding), you get your funding taken away by the same execs if not foreign branches of the company who co-fund animation projects.
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It's great to see Lilly bitching about 'lazy' rep after excusing her rep of Asian characters with "Hey, I gave the character a fancy title, what more do you want?!"
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Madhouse art
This, and making model sheets, and thumb-nailing her drawings!
It's super easy, and very common, for fresh artist to get seduced by details and ignore construction and basic principles of drawing. It's normal, everyone who draws has been there.
When I was visiting an art course, we would draw boxes made of wire for en entire year! Just so we would learn to perfectly control basic shapes, to use for construction for motives drawn without reference. You know, for stuff like this:
From here on out you start to learn anatomy to draw that anatomically correct butt.
I think this had been mentioned before, but Mikaila's flat, line-art-less drawings in Madhouse are the most appealing, and I agree with that.
Because here she's focusing on shapes. She needs to make sure that the characters are readable, that their limbs don't overlap to much, that she cannot convey information trough scribles but trough suggestion. In this picture we can even guess what action happened in the previous panel, which is neat!
Whit this art styele, instead of overly focusing on details, she needs to focus on the basic fundamentals of art. Basic shapes, proportions, colors, white space, clear posing + line of action. Cause she has a lot of practice to do before she can start dealing with shading..
And of course she should use references for drawing, because she's well able to pull some simple anatomy rules when she wants to:
I love it because the panel has to explain that G is acting, because Mikaila couldn't figure out how to express this trough G alone. And you know what, I don't blame her - conveying that a character is acting or lying is a tricky thing to stage in visual media. Except the character lying is also the narrator, it is very difficult to show that someone is lying. It depends on the show/movie/comic, but generally speaking, to visually convey that a character is lying, they're usually shown to be bad at lying. They are shown to behave out of the usual.
Since Madhouse is a comic, and you can't convey this trough voice acting, Mik is dependent to show this trough body language. I mean, honestly all she needed to do is show G look away when answering (this is the one consistent behavior she had shown in the comics, not being able to look Lily in the eyes when confronted with something wrong G did to her), but maybe she thought this would be to subtle for the audience (or Lily) to understand. Who knows.
Interestingly tho, tinking about it now, nobody in Madhouse has consistent and recognizable body language/posing that relates to that character only. They all use the same poses. Everybody is happy the same way, depressed the same way, sad the same way ect. Which puts a damper on Mik about how to show that G is acting differently from usual.
Lest say if G was consistently shown using sassy poses, Mikaila could draw her in this panel in a disciplined, good girl, 'i did nothing wrong' kind of pose and it would naturally convey that G is lying, without adding a text explanation.
But that's not a big problem, there are always many creative solutions to a problem. The above mentioned solution would have been more time saving, and perhaps subtle little detail. And if she can't do subtle she can just simply exaggerate G's behavior to bring the point across. She could even use multiple panels for it. Which is more fun to draw but also in tune with the comedy of the series.
Look it, I did a 15min sketch for an example of that.
And even then when I finished it I notice stuff that needed improving. The last two pictures don't really reflect the dialogue, she looks like she's in arguing with someone about how tacky their dress looks. Way to sassy. Particullary the hand in the second drawing looks out of place, like shes explaining something. So I did some fixing.
Much better! Yet the posing in the second drawing could still use a revision. But that's how the game goes, it's easy to make mistakes - it's just important to not give up at the smallest setback. The reason I needed to redraw some of the poses is because I too didn't thumbnail them beforehand! Because I wanted to be quickly done with it, as I'm sure Mikaila also aims for at times since has a full time job and needs to cater to Lily's emotional needs inbetween drawing.
Art is a very forgiving medium really, and G is fun to draw, so Mikaila, by the off chance you're reading this: focus on the basics, and revision things that you see could be improved. Trust me about this Mik - if you set yourself a minor goal within a drawing, like 'I'm gonna draw the hands really good in this panel', whenever you're gonna revisit old art of your and cringe at the quality, you're gonna recognize this little goal you had set yourself at the time, and feel damn proud about it, even tho everything else about the drawing wasn't as successful. Little wins like that are super gratifying and motivational.
Look, I agree that Mikaila's art hasn't improved very much in the last three years., and it's a little jarring seeing her stuff in Lily's project after being used to Lizzy's art (who's art had improved significantly in those three years with Lily), however, I wen't to the Madhouse tag and looked at the earliest drawings and I have to admit that I find a certain kind of charm in them. It's the amateur drawings of someone who has fun at drawing, even when they're not too good at it. Doodling and drawing is a really good and reaxing hobby in my opinion, and it's always nice to me to see folks enjoying it for their own fun.
I find this Mismagius legit cute.
And at some point she had different styles for different curls!
A detail in her drawings that I kinda like are the super thick eyebrows she gave C!Lily at the beginning. It looks fitting to her personality and IRL. Look at how pissed she looks with those!
A detail I don't get are the ridges and escaping hairs in C!Lily's hairdo? like they're supposed to look messy or something but to me it looks just unkept, like she should wash her hair or something. I get that it's sometimes an indication that she's stressed but she has ratty hair all the time.
It looks much better with younger Lily, as the hair has shape
She looks less like an alcoholic here.
If I'm already being autistic about hairdo's in Madhouse, Mikaila's original hairstyle looked nice! Muck more balanced than the curly bell helmet shielding her from Lily's yelling.
For real, her art is just so entertaining.
The biggest tragedy is that it's paired with Lily's writing and all the art get's soaked with the disturbing implications of the story. I can't look at her art and not see Lily's dissfunctional mind/life in it.
Even tho I mused about how to improve the quality of communication trough her art, no mater how much the quality or technical execution of the comic's art improves, it's always gonna be brought down by the context of the story. I could talk about how to better convey that G's acting, but in the end she's acting about conceiving a hybrid child with her owner/friend/love interest/person she mind raped as a child. Maybe putting more effort into the art would make the implication even worse, because it would imply that there was more thought given to that fuck fest of a story than merely a random idea that came into Lily's head, I don't know.
I wonder what Mikaila's art would be like by now if it weren't molded to appeal to Lily's preferences, and she could develop her skills based on her own inspiration and interests.
This, and making model sheets, and thumb-nailing her drawings!
It's super easy, and very common, for fresh artist to get seduced by details and ignore construction and basic principles of drawing. It's normal, everyone who draws has been there.
When I was visiting an art course, we would draw boxes made of wire for en entire year! Just so we would learn to perfectly control basic shapes, to use for construction for motives drawn without reference. You know, for stuff like this:
From here on out you start to learn anatomy to draw that anatomically correct butt.
I think this had been mentioned before, but Mikaila's flat, line-art-less drawings in Madhouse are the most appealing, and I agree with that.
Because here she's focusing on shapes. She needs to make sure that the characters are readable, that their limbs don't overlap to much, that she cannot convey information trough scribles but trough suggestion. In this picture we can even guess what action happened in the previous panel, which is neat!
Whit this art styele, instead of overly focusing on details, she needs to focus on the basic fundamentals of art. Basic shapes, proportions, colors, white space, clear posing + line of action. Cause she has a lot of practice to do before she can start dealing with shading..
And of course she should use references for drawing, because she's well able to pull some simple anatomy rules when she wants to:
I love the drawing of G you used for your example! (Also very nice redraw!)
I love it because the panel has to explain that G is acting, because Mikaila couldn't figure out how to express this trough G alone. And you know what, I don't blame her - conveying that a character is acting or lying is a tricky thing to stage in visual media. Except the character lying is also the narrator, it is very difficult to show that someone is lying. It depends on the show/movie/comic, but generally speaking, to visually convey that a character is lying, they're usually shown to be bad at lying. They are shown to behave out of the usual.
Since Madhouse is a comic, and you can't convey this trough voice acting, Mik is dependent to show this trough body language. I mean, honestly all she needed to do is show G look away when answering (this is the one consistent behavior she had shown in the comics, not being able to look Lily in the eyes when confronted with something wrong G did to her), but maybe she thought this would be to subtle for the audience (or Lily) to understand. Who knows.
Interestingly tho, tinking about it now, nobody in Madhouse has consistent and recognizable body language/posing that relates to that character only. They all use the same poses. Everybody is happy the same way, depressed the same way, sad the same way ect. Which puts a damper on Mik about how to show that G is acting differently from usual.
Lest say if G was consistently shown using sassy poses, Mikaila could draw her in this panel in a disciplined, good girl, 'i did nothing wrong' kind of pose and it would naturally convey that G is lying, without adding a text explanation.
But that's not a big problem, there are always many creative solutions to a problem. The above mentioned solution would have been more time saving, and perhaps subtle little detail. And if she can't do subtle she can just simply exaggerate G's behavior to bring the point across. She could even use multiple panels for it. Which is more fun to draw but also in tune with the comedy of the series.
Look it, I did a 15min sketch for an example of that.
And even then when I finished it I notice stuff that needed improving. The last two pictures don't really reflect the dialogue, she looks like she's in arguing with someone about how tacky their dress looks. Way to sassy. Particullary the hand in the second drawing looks out of place, like shes explaining something. So I did some fixing.
Much better! Yet the posing in the second drawing could still use a revision. But that's how the game goes, it's easy to make mistakes - it's just important to not give up at the smallest setback. The reason I needed to redraw some of the poses is because I too didn't thumbnail them beforehand! Because I wanted to be quickly done with it, as I'm sure Mikaila also aims for at times since has a full time job and needs to cater to Lily's emotional needs inbetween drawing.
Art is a very forgiving medium really, and G is fun to draw, so Mikaila, by the off chance you're reading this: focus on the basics, and revision things that you see could be improved. Trust me about this Mik - if you set yourself a minor goal within a drawing, like 'I'm gonna draw the hands really good in this panel', whenever you're gonna revisit old art of your and cringe at the quality, you're gonna recognize this little goal you had set yourself at the time, and feel damn proud about it, even tho everything else about the drawing wasn't as successful. Little wins like that are super gratifying and motivational.
Look, I agree that Mikaila's art hasn't improved very much in the last three years., and it's a little jarring seeing her stuff in Lily's project after being used to Lizzy's art (who's art had improved significantly in those three years with Lily), however, I wen't to the Madhouse tag and looked at the earliest drawings and I have to admit that I find a certain kind of charm in them. It's the amateur drawings of someone who has fun at drawing, even when they're not too good at it. Doodling and drawing is a really good and reaxing hobby in my opinion, and it's always nice to me to see folks enjoying it for their own fun.
I find this Mismagius legit cute.
And at some point she had different styles for different curls!
A detail in her drawings that I kinda like are the super thick eyebrows she gave C!Lily at the beginning. It looks fitting to her personality and IRL. Look at how pissed she looks with those!
A detail I don't get are the ridges and escaping hairs in C!Lily's hairdo? like they're supposed to look messy or something but to me it looks just unkept, like she should wash her hair or something. I get that it's sometimes an indication that she's stressed but she has ratty hair all the time.
It looks much better with younger Lily, as the hair has shape
She looks less like an alcoholic here.
If I'm already being autistic about hairdo's in Madhouse, Mikaila's original hairstyle looked nice! Muck more balanced than the curly bell helmet shielding her from Lily's yelling.
For real, her art is just so entertaining.
The biggest tragedy is that it's paired with Lily's writing and all the art get's soaked with the disturbing implications of the story. I can't look at her art and not see Lily's dissfunctional mind/life in it.
Even tho I mused about how to improve the quality of communication trough her art, no mater how much the quality or technical execution of the comic's art improves, it's always gonna be brought down by the context of the story. I could talk about how to better convey that G's acting, but in the end she's acting about conceiving a hybrid child with her owner/friend/love interest/person she mind raped as a child. Maybe putting more effort into the art would make the implication even worse, because it would imply that there was more thought given to that fuck fest of a story than merely a random idea that came into Lily's head, I don't know.
I wonder what Mikaila's art would be like by now if it weren't molded to appeal to Lily's preferences, and she could develop her skills based on her own inspiration and interests.
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@Stuck Pooh 's sperging inspired me to do some PokeMadhouse art of my own, cause fuck it why not?
I took some random snippets of Gardevoir and Marah and did some doodles of them:
(also note that Lily established there was a non-sexual version of the mating bond 2 years before attempting to retcon it, she knew what she was writing)
It turns out Gardevoirs are really annoying to draw because of the stupid hair thing in the middle of their face. Their base design also doesn't have a mouth which makes it a pain to figure out where to put it.
Admittedly I tried way too hard to make them look pretty, I don't have the cartoony chops that Stuck has, but I think it still looks kind of nice. Pokemon is a Japanese franchise and Mikail herself has made the comic look like anime several times despite her wife's hatred for it.
This kind of stuff is what I think the thread is missing. Other lolcow threads have fan art and meme videos, we just complain all the time.
@Stuck Pooh 's sperging inspired me to do some PokeMadhouse art of my own, cause fuck it why not?
I took some random snippets of Gardevoir and Marah and did some doodles of them:
(also note that Lily established there was a non-sexual version of the mating bond 2 years before attempting to retcon it, she knew what she was writing)
It turns out Gardevoirs are really annoying to draw because of the stupid hair thing in the middle of their face. Their base design also doesn't have a mouth which makes it a pain to figure out where to put it.
This kind of stuff is what I think the thread is missing. Other lolcow threads have fan art and meme videos, we just complain all the time.
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I like the idea of fanart. I think this thread could use a little flair. But I also know we’d put more effort into the art then Mikay ever could 
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Cypher the groomer.
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“She was grooming me and was clearly super into me!”I like the idea of fanart. I think this thread could use a little flair. But I also know we’d put more effort into the art then Mikay ever could
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I always love to see threads with redraws, and picturing the seethe from Lily for us drawing her "fat" fills me with joy.Mlike the idea of fanart. I think this thread could use a little flair. But I also know we’d put more effort into the art then Mikay ever could
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I wonder if Lily spoiled some of the final conversation there... Interesting wording in how she says Cypher was into her, when all we have seen are thirst posts from Lily. I'll go get the film reels because she's projecting again!
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Funny when everyone calls out Liliana for grooming Mikaila the answer always is that Mikaila was an grown adult when they met so it couldn't be grooming. But when it comes to Cypher, someone that is younger than Liliana, another full grown adult, suddenly it was totes grooming because... she said she wanted to have an honest friendship with Liliana and get to know her.I like the idea of fanart. I think this thread could use a little flair. But I also know we’d put more effort into the art then Mikay ever could
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I don't think anyone around Liliana knows what the word grooming means. Highly convenient for someone that grooms others.
It was for "clout" too, sure, despite the fact none of us would even know about Cypher's existence if it wasn't because Liliana was thrirsting over her first.
Liliana's so famous and a big influencer, guys. Everyday she has to suffer the pain of rejecting waves of girls throwing themselves to her because all of them want a piece of her notoriety, she can't help it, and Cypher was one of the worst for mainly interacting with Liliana on a server that very few people even cared about and rarely talking with her/about her in public. Nevermind that every community she even as much mentions doesn't want anything to do with her and nobody outside of other nobodies would try to defend her. She is a Big Youtuber and that is all Cypher cared about.
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Stuck Pooh said:
I love this interpretation of G. It feels like what Lily was actually going for with the character, when she was supposed to exist as an antithesis and critique of the 'meek subservient Gardevoir that all the trainers want to bang' stereotype (before things went off the rails). The personality really shines through.
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Do we actually know if Cypher is younger or older than Lily?Funny when everyone calls out Liliana for grooming Mikaila the answer always is that Mikaila was an grown adult when they met so it couldn't be grooming. But when it comes to Cypher, someone that is younger than Liliana, another full grown adult, suddenly it was totes grooming because... she said she wanted to have an honest friendship with Liliana and get to know her.
I don't think anyone around Liliana knows what the word grooming means. Highly convenient for someone that grooms others.
It was for "clout" too, sure, despite the fact none of us would even know about Cypher's existence if it wasn't because Liliana was thrirsting over her first.
Liliana's so famous and a big influencer, guys. Everyday she has to suffer the pain of rejecting waves of girls throwing themselves to her because all of them want a piece of her notoriety, she can't help it, and Cypher was one of the worst for mainly interacting with Liliana on a server that very few people even cared about and rarely talking with her/about her in public. Nevermind that every community she even as much mentions doesn't want anything to do with her and nobody outside of other nobodies would try to defend her. She is a Big Youtuber and that is all Cypher cared about.
Not that it matters much, because this grooming theory has literally no legs to stand on one way or the other. But it's interesting to see how far Lily can actually stretch this story and how much she can twist the narrative to make Cypher look worse than the OG nazi.
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To be completely honest I just took for granted that Cypher is younger than Liliana because 1. she looks like it and 2. Liliana has never thirsted but for women younger (and more influenciable) than her. But I could very well be wrong.
In any case, it's a stupid claim and I can't seriously believe than anyone but Liliana would ever gave it any credit. Does Mikaila really has no opinion about any of this? Someone she considered a friend, a good one at that, is being accused by her wife of attempting to groom her and she stays silent? Not only that, Liliana explicitely's including her into the detail that Cyper was the one into her so either she lied for whatever reason or Liliana's lying and she has no problem with either.
I know we generally agree to give Mikaila the benefit of the doubt because this thread's not about her, but there's something very fishy about her lack of reaction too.
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Maybe the fact that she isn’t immediately backing up Lily and shitting on Cypher is proof enough on itself.
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Cypher's response:
It's amazing watching Cypher dismantle everything levied against her while Lily has to construct a narrative in a space where she's uncontested.
Ironically, one of her claims about us vultures is that we never interact with her work or her fans, if we did we wouldn't hate her as much. At the same time the last thing she wants is for her fans to see is someone concisely explaining why she's wrong.
She would rather give them her biased cliffnotes.
It's amazing watching Cypher dismantle everything levied against her while Lily has to construct a narrative in a space where she's uncontested.
Ironically, one of her claims about us vultures is that we never interact with her work or her fans, if we did we wouldn't hate her as much. At the same time the last thing she wants is for her fans to see is someone concisely explaining why she's wrong.
She would rather give them her biased cliffnotes.
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lily claiming vultures dont interact with her work is funny considering how many ex lily fans (myself including) are here, on kiwifarms. We have indeed interacted with her in one way or another, she just doesn't want to admit that people realize she's a cunt, and shitty person and have moved on (like lizzy) or stick around just enough to see her downfall (ex lily fans now kiwifarm users or maybe cypher who's doing it on tumblr instead etc).
Also we interact with her work in different ways, download her videos and watch them yourself on here to see how shit they are, review her fanfics or interact with her tumblr just in a more indirect way- but its still interact with you lily, dont play dumb.
I'd like to bring up the 'all kiwifarm users are X nasty thing' lily likes to push. Many ex lily fans who happen to use kiwifarms are pretty much just here for lily shenanigans and nothing else. Ive used the farms now and again for other shit like idk, onision, some cringe stuff, and so on but wouldn't call myself a nazi just for using this website. Like calling all twitter users MAPs just because there is a group of pedophiles who happen to use twitter.
by lily's logic then all tumblr users are pedos because, well, some pedos use tumblr.
... oh.
Also we interact with her work in different ways, download her videos and watch them yourself on here to see how shit they are, review her fanfics or interact with her tumblr just in a more indirect way- but its still interact with you lily, dont play dumb.
I'd like to bring up the 'all kiwifarm users are X nasty thing' lily likes to push. Many ex lily fans who happen to use kiwifarms are pretty much just here for lily shenanigans and nothing else. Ive used the farms now and again for other shit like idk, onision, some cringe stuff, and so on but wouldn't call myself a nazi just for using this website. Like calling all twitter users MAPs just because there is a group of pedophiles who happen to use twitter.
by lily's logic then all tumblr users are pedos because, well, some pedos use tumblr.
... oh.
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Wow, Lily taking the word “grooming” and twisting its meaning so much that it’s completely useless outside of her insulting people she dislikes?
Must be a day ending in Y.
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She's right she didn't use the word groom in that entire post. Convenient. She only agreed, claimed she was violated by Cypher, and implied it throughout her entire response.
But she didn't say it, checkmate.
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I thought it was a content creator's job to rein in their audience, and that content creators were responsible when their fans did things. By her own logic, she is responsible for the anon's word choice or at the very least correcting them. Since she never bothered to correct them until people started rebuking the claim Cypher was trying to groom her, it comes across as if Lily would agree with that choice of words.
Do you believe Cypher was attempting to groom you, or not. Stop shifting blame, all you need to do is say yes or no. Literally a max of three characters on your keyboard. Hell, you can even use one of those snarky, funny gifs you like to use if you don't feel like typing!
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Do I think Cypher is a groomer? No.
Would I blame someone if they thought she was based on her conduct? No.
Same shit different day.
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