Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[King_Boo_Official]

Probably the "not your shield" crowd, i.e. a number of women on twitter that used the hashtag to tell gaming journos to fuck off and stop using "muh gurl gamers" as an excuse for being shitty people.

Sorry if I'm being annoying, but can you tell me more about this "not your shield" thing? I think I remember that floating around, but I don't recall exactly what it was about.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

I have practically all her videos saved on drives.
And beyond that, there's an online archive that has a lot of her MLP content.
It's down for maintenance right now. Hopefully should be back up soon.

Do you still have the "Types of Bronies" videos? There's a few gags in there that aged perfectly.

Sorry if I'm being annoying, but can you tell me more about this "not your shield" thing? I think I remember that floating around, but I don't recall exactly what it was about.

Not really, I was on a very tight internet budget back in those days, my only personal interaction with GamerGate was seeing the occasional TF2 username with it. If you feel like dying inside, here's the pro- and anti- threads for GG, there's probably more info somewhere in there.

 

[thebananaonion]

wanna know true equality then?

introduce a cast full of minorites (race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc) and then one straight cis white guy in the bunch too.
by the end of the franchise everyone of said cast just fucking dies.

because, just because your a minority doesnt mean you should have plot armour. minorites die irl too. Sure its bad when only the minorities die in an otherwise majority cast but this resolves the issue.


And yes I've heard people make the argument of 'lets make a full minority class but have one straight white character but they're the only one that dies'. that doesnt resolve anything that's just your 'reverse racism/sexis/heterophobia' which is just bigotry in general. every one dies, the end.

 

[Dahlia Hawthorne]

wanna know true equality then?

introduce a cast full of minorites (race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc) and then one straight cis white guy in the bunch too.
by the end of the franchise everyone of said cast just fucking dies.

because, just because your a minority doesnt mean you should have plot armour. minorites die irl too. Sure its bad when only the minorities die in an otherwise majority cast but this resolves the issue.


And yes I've heard people make the argument of 'lets make a full minority class but have one straight white character but they're the only one that dies'. that doesnt resolve anything that's just your 'reverse racism/sexis/heterophobia' which is just bigotry in general. every one dies, the end.

Rogue One.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

Rogue One.

To its credit, Rogue One did impress me for being the first "everyone dies" film I've seen in a good long while. Good climax altogether, shame it's not canon.

 

[Son Goku Baku]

First of all, what the fuck is "straight woman gamergate"?
Second, "beating up/ killing a minority character in a movie= the director/writer is a bigot" is pretty small-brained.
Above all, for every idiot who thinks that a movie with a black or female lead is "pandering to SJWs" (just for having a black or female lead), there's somebody on the other side ready to lambast said movie/show/etc. as "not progressive enough". It's a pattern that repeats itself time and time again, and at least it keeps the "culture war" freaks busy while the grownups have the actual policy discussions-you know, things that matter.

But seriously, what is this "straight woman gamergate"?

Somehow I think straight woman gamergate's supposed to be reylos?

That's the only thing that makes any kind of sense with the rest of the thread, and even then I'm not really sure what it means.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

Okay, fuck it, it's been long enough. We're doing this again. Chapter 5, go!

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Spoiler: Aliana beats up Kylo Ren. AGAIN.

Okay, right off the bat, I need to admit I fucked up. I said that the person Rey and Aliana met at the hideout was Leia, but it turns out that I was fucking wrong. Really, the word "tall" should have been my warning. My first thought would then be that this was Admiral Gender Studies, who it turns out was in fact a senator and Leia's old friend, but no, she's right here. The girl they met was, in fact, the asian girl that died in the fucking retarded bomber scene from TLJ. I guess Jerry just needed a character, so he promoted this random-ass gunner to someone important enough to be the one that questions the owners of suspicious starships.

Confessions out of the way, we see the first signs of Leia's "irrational" hateboner for Aliana, and they managed to get Aliana's phone number while the Fury was docked.

We transition to the bad guys, and we have a couple lore point to go on here. Firstly, contrary to Last Jedi memes, fuel is a consideration in the Star Wars universe. The specifics are a little vague, and also tie into the fact that sublight engines and hyperdrives are separate systems that could potentially each require their own fuel sources. I've never seen the implied hydrogen ramscoop the Fury is using applied elsewhere in the Star Wars universe, but it could theoretically be used to power an onboard reactor. It is, however, more of a Star Trek thing, which is exactly what is going on with those sensors. Sensors in the Star Wars universe are significantly more limited than their counterparts in Star Trek, only able to detect starships within the same star system as the detecting ship, and even then can be evaded by placing a large enough celestial body between the two, such as the Imperial fleet utilized during the Battle of Endor. What we have here is not only one ship detecting another from multiple systems away, but doing so with enough clarity to get a probable count on the number of occupants, something far beyond what should be possible in this setting.

You know what? I'm going to start count of the number of Ren scenes that don't center around him seething about Aliana. Somehow I doubt I'm going to make it out of single digits. Also note the continued need to make Ren as pathetic as possible, because God forbid that this story have an actually threatening antagonist.

Scene cut to the Falcon, and we get another technical failure. While it is physically possible for a ship to change course while in hyperspace, it is generally regarded as an exceptionally dangerous action, due to the previously mentioned hazards of hyperspace travel. The only people to have pulled it off with any degree of safety or consistency are Jedi. Since it's been damned near a year since I last posted, I'll also take the opportunity to mention that hyperspace travel is done in sprints, with course corrections handled in realspace. All of this is to say that a ship typically runs on autopilot during hyperspace travel, without somebody needing to keep a hand on the wheel. If the autopilot is malfunctioning as part of the damage Jerry mentions, then this ship is not safe for hyperspace travel, and the autopilot should have been a top-priority repair.

Han and Finn talk for a bit, Han sees through Finn as easily as he did Aliana, he lets Finn know that she's a Sith, Finn knows what a Sith is, and then this happens.

And here we get to the part that broke me. This is why I took so fucking long to get back to doing this, because Jerry feeling compelled to explain the concept of homosexuality to the audience twice in the space of two chapters was just too. fucking. much. For FUCK'S SAKE, JERRY, is this how fucking stupid you think your audience is? Is that what you think "good representation" looks like? Do you seriously fucking think that Finn the infantryman has never heard of this before? Because having been one myself, I can state with absolute confidence that the notion of "fingers fit inside vaginas" should not be a groundbreaking revelation to him.
Yes, yes, he's a janitor. Cleaning shit is 90% of an infantryman's mission profile.

Moving the fuck on, Leia calls up Aliana and starts grilling her about what the fuck she's doing.

And again, we get a case of Jerry being half-right. Human supremacy is, in my opinion, probably the weakest part of the Empire's characterization. During the movie days, we knew that the Galactic Empire was evil because the opening crawl called it "the evil GALACTIC EMPIRE", and that was all we needed to know. However, as the EU got rolling and began exploring the universe in more depth, the need arose to give an actual reason why the Empire was evil, and instead of going with "they're Socialists", they noticed that the Rebellion got alien extras in Return of the Jedi while the Empire didn't, and extrapolated that into human supremacism. However, Jerry is still in the wrong here, because to the best of my knowledge, the Star Wars universe has no confirmed cases of cross-species reproduction. You're not writing a fucking Star Trek story, Jerry.

Nope, turns out that I'm fucking wrong again.

I'm also going to take the time to point out again that Aliana's plan is stupid and needlessly complicated, because they could have just dropped all of the above off at the same outpost they dumped Not!Wedge at. But, that would leave Aliana with no reason to stay in the story, so shoehorning ourselves back into the movie script it is! See what you've done, Jerry? You've solved one plot hole by opening an even bigger one. This is not good writing.

The call wraps up, and-

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Ren's Star Destroyer shows up, the Fury gets disabled, they get boarded, and-

Well, at least it lasted more than 2 sentences this time. Actually, I had something click reading this. The reason Jerry is so infatuated with the Sith isn't lore, it isn't KotOR 2, it isn't even that Reddit post. The reason Jerry likes the Sith and the Dark Side so much is because it rewards one for being undisciplined, for lacking self-control. It rewards you with power for being, well, Jerry, and given the option of being rewarded for being your natural self and being rewarded for putting in the effort to be a better person, I can't entirely blame him for taking the easy route. We'll just ignore that part about how the Dark Side warps your mind, body and soul until you're a cackling megalomaniac like Palapatine, I'm totally in charge of my crack addiction.

Oh, also, art.

Emotions. People display them. On their faces. Seriously, the helmet is doing a better job of looking afraid than Aliana is of looking angry.

I don't get it. I just cannot comprehend how people fuck up their tenses like this.

Ren gets away, Aliana has his lightsaber, and my supply of fucks is exhausted for the day. Why did this scene even happen? It's already been established that Aliana is OP, I promise you now that the lightsaber is going to end up back in Ren's hands with minimal effort, and nothing has changed in regards to the dynamics of the story. The only purpose this scene serves is to kick a puppy because Jerry's mad that people like said puppy. People that will never read this, for the record.

 

[King_Boo_Official]

wanna know true equality then?

introduce a cast full of minorites (race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc) and then one straight cis white guy in the bunch too.
by the end of the franchise everyone of said cast just fucking dies.

because, just because your a minority doesnt mean you should have plot armour. minorites die irl too. Sure its bad when only the minorities die in an otherwise majority cast but this resolves the issue.


And yes I've heard people make the argument of 'lets make a full minority class but have one straight white character but they're the only one that dies'. that doesnt resolve anything that's just your 'reverse racism/sexis/heterophobia' which is just bigotry in general. every one dies, the end.

You hear role reversals like that proposed around the progressive media critique spaces (that's what "the Hawkeye initiative" was about), but when you ask them "if it's so bad to treat fictional women like this, why is it okay to treat fictional men like this?", you get the usual "historical context" spiel. To that I say, dress for the job you want, in a figurative sense.
I don't really care or consider it bad when minorities die in an otherwise majority cast. You can be disappointed the characters died, or you can think it didn't work from a story perspective, but at the end of the day it's a work of fiction and probably doesn't reflect what the writer thinks about actual minorities.

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

Sorry if I'm being annoying, but can you tell me more about this "not your shield" thing? I think I remember that floating around, but I don't recall exactly what it was about.

Just for a little more context, this wasn't exclusively a Gamergate thing, although it did see use for related reasons.

The idea behind Not Your Shield is that people weaponize speaking for minorities or women in order to silence opposition conversation under the guise of activism for the protected class. The person making these claims, however, is not part of the class they're talking for-- or in this case, over.

Turns out people don't like being treated like a monolith, especially by others who are speaking for them, and started using #NotYourShield to tell the well-meaning white man (or woman) to stop using them to make a shitty point that they -- as individuals and even as communities -- didn't agree with. Basically, white people hiding behind 'you're just racist!' to shield their shitty opinions and attitudes, and the people they were hiding behind telling them to get fucked.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

New video: Lily uses her own fanfiction as a study in anti heroes.

https://archive.li/4Wc57

A Thought Experiment on Heroism and Inaction | Glass of Water

I lied. The reason was to show you all that beautiful sapphic artwork from my darling wife.The Sith Resurgence - https://archiveofourown.org/works/22215277/c...

youtu.be

Most of the video is just the past 2 years of her tumblr condensed into a concise argument, which is appreciated. Throughout the video there is artwork by Mikail of different TSR scenes, all of it is really bad.

But more specifically, she delves into the trolley problem, and says that the real moral lesson is that doing nothing to lessen the suffering of others in the name of moral principles is bad. She uses many examples in TSR such as Aliana murdering those two random rich people and Rey killing a Coruscant guard for abusing a refugee.
Her ultimate point being that heroes who don't kill villains for the sake of moral principles are only doing so for the sake of their own ego, and that they should consider the victims of the villain in deciding whether or not to kill them.

I think the thing she's missing is that often a hero isn't doing it for the sake of their ego. Often times the decision not to kill a villain has come after a villain has been near totally thwarted. The decision not to kill a villain can often be the hero displaying that their resolve is stronger than the villain, in that they're presenting an alternate solution that the villain couldn't come up with. Or even that the villain hasn't corrupted them, and that the hero still stays true to their character.
A great example is Two-Face and Batman. Batman faces the same choice Two-Face does almost everyday, but Batman chooses never to kill and to let the justice system take its course. Two-Face meanwhile, uses random chance in the form of a coin to decide his victims fate, reflecting the unfortunate circumstances which made him who he is: the chaotic nature of fate.

Whenever Aliana kills someone, it's almost never because it's true to her character as a girlboss Sith overlord liberator of the people, it's because Lily is thumbing her nose at more nuanced looks at morality. I recall saying this before, but the rich people Aliana killed might have families, where is their justice? Aliana gets to kill everyone who's wronged her with impunity, and never faces any moral consequences for doing so, but the people who's family Aliana killed are in a group the author doesn't like, so they might as well not exist. Violence never comes back to haunt anyone who matters, and the good triumph. Truly a deep and insightful moral quandary she's written.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

New video: Lily uses her own fanfiction as a study in anti heroes.

https://archive.md/4Wc57

A Thought Experiment on Heroism and Inaction | Glass of Water

I lied. The reason was to show you all that beautiful sapphic artwork from my darling wife.The Sith Resurgence - https://archiveofourown.org/works/22215277/c...

youtu.be

Most of the video is just the past 2 years of her tumblr condensed into a concise argument, which is appreciated. Throughout the video there is artwork by Mikail of different TSR scenes, all of it is really bad.

But more specifically, she delves into the trolley problem, and says that the real moral lesson is that doing nothing to lessen the suffering of others in the name of moral principles is bad. She uses many examples in TSR such as Aliana murdering those two random rich people and Rey killing a Coruscant guard for abusing a refugee.
Her ultimate point being that heroes who don't kill villains for the sake of moral principles are only doing so for the sake of their own ego, and that they should consider the victims of the villain in deciding whether or not to kill them.

I think the thing she's missing is that often a hero isn't doing it for the sake of their ego. Often times the decision not to kill a villain has come after a villain has been near totally thwarted. The decision not to kill a villain can often be the hero displaying that their resolve is stronger than the villain, in that they're presenting an alternate solution that the villain couldn't come up with. Or even that the villain hasn't corrupted them, and that the hero still stays true to their character.
A great example is Two-Face and Batman. Batman faces the same choice Two-Face does almost everyday, but Batman chooses never to kill and to let the justice system take its course. Two-Face meanwhile, uses random chance in the form of a coin to decide his victims fate, reflecting the unfortunate circumstances which made him who he is: the chaotic nature of fate.

Whenever Aliana kills someone, it's almost never because it's true to her character as a girlboss Sith overlord liberator of the people, it's because Lily is thumbing her nose at more nuanced looks at morality. I recall saying this before, but the rich people Aliana killed might have families, where is their justice? Aliana gets to kill everyone who's wronged her with impunity, and never faces any moral consequences for doing so, but the people who's family Aliana killed are in a group the author doesn't like, so they might as well not exist. Violence never comes back to haunt anyone who matters, and the good triumph. Truly a deep and insightful moral quandary she's written.

My god, Jerry is a edgelord. I’m not surprised he likes anti-heroes.

I never understood why people like Jerry are alway saying heroes should kill their enemies. And why are they violent and self-righteous?

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

My god, Jerry is a edgelord. I’m not surprised he likes anti-heroes.

I never understood why people like Jerry are alway saying heroes should kill their enemies. And why are they violent and self-righteous?

I don't know, Frank Castle (The Punisher) and Deadpool are good examples of how represent a anti-hero in their own terms.
The first is obviously utterly damned by vengeance but that's the entire point of the series. The second is otherwise a nice contrast of that type of heroes; still violent but moved by simply craziness.
You know, Lily showed up many times her ignorance of near all matters, so... why bash our heads in a wall? It's better saying: "Oh yes, Lily. You're right" and leave it.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

New video: Lily uses her own fanfiction as a study in anti heroes.

https://archive.md/4Wc57

A Thought Experiment on Heroism and Inaction | Glass of Water

I lied. The reason was to show you all that beautiful sapphic artwork from my darling wife.The Sith Resurgence - https://archiveofourown.org/works/22215277/c...

youtu.be

Most of the video is just the past 2 years of her tumblr condensed into a concise argument, which is appreciated. Throughout the video there is artwork by Mikail of different TSR scenes, all of it is really bad.

But more specifically, she delves into the trolley problem, and says that the real moral lesson is that doing nothing to lessen the suffering of others in the name of moral principles is bad. She uses many examples in TSR such as Aliana murdering those two random rich people and Rey killing a Coruscant guard for abusing a refugee.
Her ultimate point being that heroes who don't kill villains for the sake of moral principles are only doing so for the sake of their own ego, and that they should consider the victims of the villain in deciding whether or not to kill them.

I think the thing she's missing is that often a hero isn't doing it for the sake of their ego. Often times the decision not to kill a villain has come after a villain has been near totally thwarted. The decision not to kill a villain can often be the hero displaying that their resolve is stronger than the villain, in that they're presenting an alternate solution that the villain couldn't come up with. Or even that the villain hasn't corrupted them, and that the hero still stays true to their character.
A great example is Two-Face and Batman. Batman faces the same choice Two-Face does almost everyday, but Batman chooses never to kill and to let the justice system take its course. Two-Face meanwhile, uses random chance in the form of a coin to decide his victims fate, reflecting the unfortunate circumstances which made him who he is: the chaotic nature of fate.

Whenever Aliana kills someone, it's almost never because it's true to her character as a girlboss Sith overlord liberator of the people, it's because Lily is thumbing her nose at more nuanced looks at morality. I recall saying this before, but the rich people Aliana killed might have families, where is their justice? Aliana gets to kill everyone who's wronged her with impunity, and never faces any moral consequences for doing so, but the people who's family Aliana killed are in a group the author doesn't like, so they might as well not exist. Violence never comes back to haunt anyone who matters, and the good triumph. Truly a deep and insightful moral quandary she's written.

and this also ignores the possibility of having other ways to stop the villain without killing, Lily always considers death the only solution.
just because the hero chooses not to kill doesn't mean he's going to let the villain run wild just getting slapped on the wrist every time he "misbehaves".

Batman always puts the villains in jail or in Arkham, it's not his fault if they escape he did his job to apprehend, he's not an executioner, if anyone wants the Joker dead he would already be on the death row. Why does Batman have to kill him himself? he obeys the law in this aspect, so that the concept of justice remains greater than himself.(and also because it's easier to recycle villains than to make new ones every time, but that's meta-justification)

and it's also hypocrisy for Aliana to kill the rich without questioning and based on prejudice, which is what she fights against in relation to the Sith who have historically done much bigger atrocities, with how much shit she gave Luke for killing her mother without asking her motives and missing the opportunity for an alliance, Aliana was pretty quick to judge all the rich being bastards without hesitation missing the chance to get them to support the Resistance since the government the First Order would implement would be bad for them in the long run.

but no, she killed them and suffered no consequences and still wants to lecture about heroism, but killing the rich doesn't magically improve the economy or redistribute their money to the exploited and I would argue that attacking the rich with violence just make them more protective of their wealth and makes the situation of the workers worse, who do you think suffers the most when an economic crisis occurs? Liy just ignores the implications in her writing and expects you to do the same

Lily talks about inaction being bad, but acting without thinking about the consequences is even worse, and that's why children's cartoons reject the idea of revenge as a good thing, action against villains should be about justice.
one is about vapid and personal momentary satisfaction and the other is about empathy and how you want your actions to reflect on the environment around you and society as a whole, do you really want revenge to be part of the justice system where personal perception have to be taken to the same level as social justice? Is revenge always justified? who decides when it is?

Lily doesn't ask any questions in her writing, she just gives her answer and hopes you take it as a universal truth, anyone who speaks in absolutes regarding morality is an idiot

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

There's also the common situation that it's simply not in the person's nature to execute somebody. It's not ego to admit you're unable to carry out despicable acts even when you need to.

 

[ZeSlyFox]

Y'know Folks, let me tell you something, unlike a lot of folks here, I have no problem with people liking childish media in and of itself. IMO, as long you pull your weight and are generally a good person, people should mostly mind their own business.


Lily, on the other hand, is what happens when completely center your life around solely kids media and nothing more. In other words, She has good old-fashioned peter pan syndrome. Her views on basically anything are so stupid, edgy, and ignorant, that only an adolescent could her seriously (which unsurprisingly is most of the people who watch her)


Just look at her newest video. The mindset of acting without thinking about the consequences and "Why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker" is the type of thought you typically grow out of. This is what watching exclusively kids media and occasionally Family Guy does to a person when they let them shape your worldview. I would kinda excuse this if Lily was 18-22 years old, but this bitch is actually nearing 30, yet most college kids can probably run circles around her.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

New video: Lily uses her own fanfiction as a study in anti heroes.

https://archive.md/4Wc57

A Thought Experiment on Heroism and Inaction | Glass of Water

I lied. The reason was to show you all that beautiful sapphic artwork from my darling wife.The Sith Resurgence - https://archiveofourown.org/works/22215277/c...

youtu.be

Most of the video is just the past 2 years of her tumblr condensed into a concise argument, which is appreciated. Throughout the video there is artwork by Mikail of different TSR scenes, all of it is really bad.

But more specifically, she delves into the trolley problem, and says that the real moral lesson is that doing nothing to lessen the suffering of others in the name of moral principles is bad. She uses many examples in TSR such as Aliana murdering those two random rich people and Rey killing a Coruscant guard for abusing a refugee.
Her ultimate point being that heroes who don't kill villains for the sake of moral principles are only doing so for the sake of their own ego, and that they should consider the victims of the villain in deciding whether or not to kill them.

I think the thing she's missing is that often a hero isn't doing it for the sake of their ego. Often times the decision not to kill a villain has come after a villain has been near totally thwarted. The decision not to kill a villain can often be the hero displaying that their resolve is stronger than the villain, in that they're presenting an alternate solution that the villain couldn't come up with. Or even that the villain hasn't corrupted them, and that the hero still stays true to their character.
A great example is Two-Face and Batman. Batman faces the same choice Two-Face does almost everyday, but Batman chooses never to kill and to let the justice system take its course. Two-Face meanwhile, uses random chance in the form of a coin to decide his victims fate, reflecting the unfortunate circumstances which made him who he is: the chaotic nature of fate.

Whenever Aliana kills someone, it's almost never because it's true to her character as a girlboss Sith overlord liberator of the people, it's because Lily is thumbing her nose at more nuanced looks at morality. I recall saying this before, but the rich people Aliana killed might have families, where is their justice? Aliana gets to kill everyone who's wronged her with impunity, and never faces any moral consequences for doing so, but the people who's family Aliana killed are in a group the author doesn't like, so they might as well not exist. Violence never comes back to haunt anyone who matters, and the good triumph. Truly a deep and insightful moral quandary she's written.

For posterity and for those who don’t want to give Lily a view.

The real test of this video I think is if she’ll allow comments that’s challenge her. Or if it’ll just be full of ass kissing.

In other news:

She really is a perpetual teenager. Kill god to spite my parents. God is just an even bigger parent to hit.

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Why would you want to piss off your p…

archived 23 Sep 2021 22:45:10 UTC

archive.md

Remember this is the same parents who were tired of being assaulted after coming home from work and threw her in a psych lock up.

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Do you think it was the right decisio…

archived 23 Sep 2021 18:00:03 UTC

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She’s mad.

 

[Andthensomeguy]

Y'know Folks, let me tell you something, unlike a lot of folks here, I have no problem with people liking childish media in and of itself. IMO, as long you pull your weight and are generally a good person, people should mostly mind their own business.


Lily, on the other hand, is what happens when completely center your life around solely kids media and nothing more. In other words, She has good old-fashioned peter pan syndrome. Her views on basically anything are so stupid, edgy, and ignorant, that only an adolescent could her seriously (which unsurprisingly is most of the people who watch her)


Just look at her newest video. The mindset of acting without thinking about the consequences and "Why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker" is the type of thought you typically grow out of. This is what watching exclusively kids media and occasionally Family Guy does to a person when they let them shape your worldview. I would kinda excuse this if Lily was 18-22 years old, but this bitch is actually nearing 30, yet most college kids can probably run circles around her.

I think you're giving Lily a bit too much credit here. Lily's been parading around and giving herself pats on the back for sticking an over powered, edgy, mary sue of an OC into an established and well know piece of fiction. That's something most people grow out of once they graduate middle school, maybe mid-to-late teens at the latest. It just doesn't seem quite as bad because Lily can put a sentence together a bit better then your average fanfic writer that does this sort of thing, but she's still doing something she should have grown past doing over a decade ago.

Anyways, about the "you should always kill the bad guy" thing, I didn't read the Sith Resurgance or watch the video yet, but did Lily ever bring up the idea that sometimes heroes don't like to kill the "bad guy" because, just maybe, there's more to the "bad guy" then what they know about them? Maybe the situation is more complex then they're being lead to think, like maybe the bad guy is being put up to it or they're being framed to look bad, or maybe the person was just having a bad day and end up doing a one time douchbag move and they're not normally like that (in reguards to Aliana killing people like that guy who was being an asshole to that immigrant)?

Beating a bit of a dead horse here, I know, but it shows that there are plenty of reasons as to why a "hero" wouldn't want to butcher every bad guy they see.

Oh, and I got a chuckle at the "Please don't talk to me about Youtube metrics when you don't know how they work" comment. Lily having no proof on whether or not the anon actually knows how Youtube metics work aside (hey, they very well might) she does remember that she was the one who tried to verbally beat Rebecca Sugar's name into the dirt in her SU review for being "a bad show runner" (amongst other things) and continues to defend this even after people proved that most of her points were either wrong or twisted to support her argument.

Lily, you have no room to accuse people of talking about things when "they don't know how they work" when you've practically built on your entire channel doing just that. Also, your channel will never go beyond the level of "Youtuber long past their prime". You'll probably stay just relevant enough to maintain a lower-middle class lifestyle, but nothing better then that. Thirty years from now (probably less) you'll either be too old to do this or it won't make you enough money to justify you doing it anymore and your name will end up being more obscure then people like Wings of Redemption, Mundane Matt, or even Darkside Phil. Yes, I believe more people will look back fondly at Darkside freakin' Phil then at you, and that is really sad.

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

"Huh. I disagree with assertions that this person makes, and I can't imagine Lily would agree with somebody who says that slavery for the greater good is the 'correct' option. But this is an interesting moral question and an intriguing argument. I wonder how Lily will

why the fuck did you accept the comment if you were just going to tell them to post it where you can ignore it you dick"

My god, Jerry is a edgelord. I’m not surprised he likes anti-heroes.

I never understood why people like Jerry are alway saying heroes should kill their enemies. And why are they violent and self-righteous?

Pure and simple projection. Lily wants to humiliate and kill her own enemies. She also wants to be in the right about it, so she projects that desire and righteousness into the heroes. After all, if the heroes are willing to kill her critics alt-right Nazi bigots the villains, then it means that by killing people she's decided are evil, she's in the right, and is a hero. The 'anti-hero' aspects comes in from the aesthetics and edge.

If you mean why do they want to literally murder people? Because they don't see another way.

Lily can't conceive of compromise and peaceful resolution because that means she has to make sacrifices. That means she has to put others ahead of herself, or acknowledge that maybe she was wrong in some way-- or, worse, that other people were right. Heroes oftentimes listen to and understand the villain, even if that villain has to be stopped, and actually listening to and understanding somebody you disagree with? Finding out that you were wrong about your assumptions, that they have reasons for what they do? Unconscionable.

This is why when she talks about 'converting' people she says it's pointless, and why anybody who disagrees with her should be shot in the street or left so scared they never speak up again. This is why she believes a totalitarian leader (that isn't her, because that would be work, but thinks exactly like her because she's completely 100% right). And that's why heroes who express virtues like self-improvement and empathy are intolerable. They prove that there are better ways and that other people might not just be monsters. They remind the audience that the villains are human.

And Lily has said that anybody who disagrees with her is not human.

In other words, heroes that kill the villains, that don't give them a chance to explain, that just do 'what must be done' without any consideration for compromise or understanding or empathy... they validate her worldview.

Look at the way she writes-- her protagonists are always right. The narrative always treats them as being right, and good. She loves the aesthetic of the anti-hero, but doesn't actually adhere to any of the moral dubiousness; Aliana is never wrong about her violence and is always justified. The people she doesn't like are always not only wrong in their viewpoint, but are actually evil, turned into supremacists and rapists so her characters are always justified when they kill. Even when Aliana was supposed to glass a planet literally everybody understood it was for the 'greater good', no moral quandaries, it was just a hard decision.

It's how she sees the world.

And so she demands validation. Any hero that isn't murdering the enemy is a hero that's telling her that maybe -- just maybe -- she's not a good person.

 

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I think it's also worth pointing out that many hero stories, and especially those Liliana'd be in contact with, are from productions meant for the entire family. She's a cartoon reviewer that talks mostly about children's media because she doesn't have the capacity for anything more complex than that, so it's only a given that death's going to be a rare theme to pop up at all. The "heroes not killing the villain" is fundamentally a children's media requirement. That's why on Disney movies the villains always end up dying by their own hubris or by accident while the heroes manage to come out alive, with very few exceptions (the death of Ursula at the end of The Little Mermaid, for example, and even then it was the guy who killed her, not Ariel).

The real issue's not that everyone has a wrong idea of how to deal with bad guys and only she has it right, but that she severely limits herself to the exact kind of media that's already the most restringed and regulated of all in the first place. Stories about grey heroes who understand there's sometimes a need to kill already exists, stories about heroes who're violent and still seeing positively already exist. Her criticism doesn't hold that much because it lacks completely on perspective.

If she put some effort to expand her media literacy she'd realize she's not saying anything new that hundreds of comic book artist have thought since the 80s.

 

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The real test of this video I think is if she’ll allow comments that’s challenge her. Or if it’ll just be full of ass kissing.
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Remember this is the same parents who were tired of being assaulted after coming home from work and threw her in a psych lock up.

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She’s mad.

You know what, fuck it. I was going to do a big breakdown and give this the open discussion Jerry was asking for, but it's just not fucking worth it. I'll tangle with this shit when I get there in the fanfic review.