Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

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It used to be a slur for gay people decades ago. Calling them "queer" for being off and weird, you know, for being gay.
I remember that the answer in Lily's video says that she considers queer a slur because it invalidates individual genders and crushes them all into a colorless smudge and prefers LGBTQA + as a better alternative (also considers the Q as "questioning")

I consider it very subjective how a word will affect you, so if Lily doesn't want to use queer she can't say that those who use it hate themselves, as if they have no other choice or agency in how they identify themselves

and also with the definitions of the terms used and what is offensive or not changing every day in different places, communities, Tumblrs and moments just to validate everyone, Lily should not be talking so authoritatively and immutably on the subject
 
I remember that the answer in Lily's video says that she considers queer a slur because it invalidates individual genders and crushes them all into a colorless smudge and prefers LGBTQA + as a better alternative (also considers the Q as "questioning")

I consider it very subjective how a word will affect you, so if Lily doesn't want to use queer she can't say that those who use it hate themselves, as if they have no other choice or agency in how they identify themselves

and also with the definitions of the terms used and what is offensive or not changing every day in different places, communities, Tumblrs and moments just to validate everyone, Lily should not be talking so authoritatively and immutably on the subject
So she invalidates anyone who actually identifies as queer just to not potentially invalidate a strawman? sounds legit
 
Yeah but just like how gay was an insult/slur in the past, it isn't anymore. Its basically like Lily is trying to say that the word gay is a slur and that if you call yourself a gaylord or something you're some shit eating troll who gets off on being sad (which is an apt description of Lily if I may say so). when in reality its a valid way to identify yourself. Its literally the LGBTQ community because queer is such an umbrella term that can describe the widest amount of people who don't identify as trans, lesbian, gay or bi.

Everyone knows that the terms gay, queer, dyke, faggot, etc. all have bad histories but all but one of those words have taken on new meanings that most queer people use in a positive light in the present day. Her crusade against the words literally makes no sense from the perspective of another gay person.
There was that one time where another YouTuber pointed out his faulty logic behind this topic.

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You reap what you sow.
 
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Minding your own business = alt-right nazi
Not make any political statement = facist
spending time with the family = Trump supporter
defend yourself = white supremacist
go to church = homophobic

what is the point of supporting a group that already judges you as the worst possible, even when you have nothing against them and just want to avoid political drama?
he is not helping, but he also did nothing against
 
Not sure if we still care about Opal but she posted a new video debating a Lily fan

I'll break it down as I listen to it:
Until about 8:00 in there's just a fuckton of technical difficulties, the guest seems to think that having 'right wing commenters" makes Opal right wing
8:07 - 8:15 - Opal talks about being a "demigirl trans person" and disavows transphobic comments + misgendering of Lily
8:57 - The guest reveals both him and Opal have Autism
9:03 - The guest brings up the point that when Contrapoints makes 'mistakes' people don't misgender her
10:00 - Guest backtracks and apologizes for calling Opal a bigot
10:45-11:30 - They start arguing about politics until the moderator steps in
Until like 16:00 The guest and the moderator have the most autistic slap fight
(The moderator is SO fucking annoying, like some hyper autistic version of Jim)
16:40 - the video cuts to an image that says the mods political views could get Opal's channel deleted so she cut them out "He hates all politicians and wishes they "didn't exist""
17:48 - Opal FINALLY brings the conversation back to Stockholm, which the guest denies Lily wrote
18:50 - The guest says Opal is a pedophile because she likes anime which he describes as "actually a kinda good critique when you think about it" as there is "no ethical consumption under capitalism" and liking anime = spreading anime around = spreading child porn around?
19:40 - The guest admits he ALSO likes anime but its okay when he does it
20:00 - Guest says calling Opal a pedophile and spamming her youtube was just him mispeaking
21:00 - Opal admits to retweeting art of an underaged anime girl once - it sounds like this art was of the Hex Maniac from pokemon
21:50 - Opal says "I hate when lolicon people say this, but they're drawings" - justifies the aforementioned anime art as the character she reblogged "looked and acted like an adult" therefore she is attracted to those features despite the character being 15
(10 minutes of talk about anime art and lolicon)
30:03 (halfway there) - Guest never actually watched Opal's videos
31:00 - The Guest admits to remembering when Lily said she wrote Stockholm but "doesn't know what to think of that" because it could have been edited to make it look like she did, or it could have been a joke
31:30 - Guest says Lily may have written it as a joke to be an edgelord - which Opal aptly refutes "there's a difference between being an edgelord and writing a story about 10 year olds having sex"
38:00 - Opal gives a summary of Stockholm
40:04 - Guest admits to not reading Stockholm because it was too fucked up
41:20 - Opal asks Guest if he thinks Opal's videos about Lily and Stockholm are part of a smear campaign towards Lily because she is a native American lesbian trans woman who didn't like Opals fanart, Guest says Yes
42:00 - Guest clarifies that he doesn't think Opal is transphobic, just salty about the art(?), but "white men write rapefics all the time" and Opal doesn't go after them
44:20 - Moderator asks Guest how writing something like Stockholm doesn't make Lily a pedo, he responds with "well, because one, Lily likes south park"
44:46 - Guest equates Stockholm to the book Lolita
45:55 - "Do you think Lily could have changed since writing that?" "I don't give a fuck"
48:30 - Opal brings up the age gap between Lily, Mikala, and Ginger
it just devolved into political sperging after that and i tuned out
 
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Well, if I'm going to take over reviewing the fanfic, I may as well start getting acclimated. I'm going to hit up the first chapter for an independent review, consider it a trial run for my mental fortitude and all y'all's patience with me.


I'm an old-school EU guy. My childhood was Star Wars games and books, and I saw the writing on the wall for the franchise the moment word of the Disney purchase got out, but I gave them their chance with The Force Awakens, and to spare a detailed summary, I spent the whole movie going "that's not how it fucking works!" I walked out of that theater content to stick to the EU and let Disney run their mediocrity train into the ground, which lasted until I saw The Last Jedi because it was easier to believe that the entirety of the internet was coordinating a massive joke at my expense than that they were telling the truth about that movie. Oh, how naive I was...
Anyway, the important part is that I reject the entirety of Disney!Wars out of hand, with the singular exception of the U-Wing from Rouge One. Could have it been done in a way that wasn't shit? Absolutely, but Jerry isn't going to be the one to do it.

Apparently Jerry's girlfirend did some art between when the chapter first went up and now. Thus we open up with this...

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And it's the SAME. FUCKING. CHARACTER. Granted, it's probably at least in part a side effect of fucking the artist, but I swear, every time Jerry creates a character it's "da byoodifool wezbeein I wish I could be": slim-but-not-skinny, notable-but-not-obscene tits, slim waist, mid-back-length hair. BUT THIS ONE'S A WOMAN OF COLOR, SO SHUT UP YOU RACIST!

Anyway

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One paragraph in, and things are already going to shit. We have a buildup to an "I don't like sand" joke, a retcon, and an assumption that the reader has seen the movie. I admit, I don't know shit about not!Tatooine, but according to Wookieepedia, exactly one Hutt ever set up shop there, and she was dead by the time of the movie, so now Jerry's just making shit up so he can run off on a "money man bad" tangent. Because, you know, "alternate universe" fanfic is about rewriting the universe to fit what you want, not starting at the point of divergence from canon. You know what, fuck it, I'm just going to rewrite this whole fucking paragraph.

Alina strode through the kilometers-long shadow cast by the twisted and burned remains of an Imperial-class Star Destroyer, grateful for even the modest reprieve from the heat of Jakku. Once a mighty space-faring warship, the premier icon of the martial power of the Galactic Empire, the ruined hulk now lay half-buried in the desert sands, bleached by the relentless sun and picked clean by the planet's population of scavengers, a fitting tribute to the government it once served.

I mean, fucking seriously, Jerry. The first sentence and first paragraph are the most critical parts of a story. If this is your A-game, I shudder at the thought of what else lies in here.

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Wow! Sand jokes!

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More lorefagging? More lorefagging: lightsabers are not dangerous to those not "equipped" to handle them, they are dangerous to those not "trained" to handle them. Specifically, this is tied into the complete lack of weight in the blade, making the position of the blade impossible to determine by feel and making it incredibly easy to overswing and hit yourself. Think about how many times you accidentally bopped yourself with that cheap-ass plastic lightsaber with the folding blade you had as a kid: a "real" lightsaber is exactly as easy to fuck up with as that. A lightsaber is not something that requires Force-sensitivity to use, but a trained Force-user's ability to channel the Force to partially control their body motions greatly reduces the risk of auto-bisection.

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And here begins said "Money Man Bad" tangent, brought to you by Floyd Riots Logic: "GameStop has lots of money, so why not loot the GameStop? It won't even make a dent!" Never mind that the individual GameStop store is owned and operated by a member of the local community who has to keep the store afloat independently of the greater corporation, never mind the locals who are reliant on the owner keeping the business afloat for their own incomes, the insurance will cover it!

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Wheeling off onto a personal tangent: I have a pet peeve about "thought dialog". For some reason it always feels jarring to me to jump from third-person narration to inner monologue, particularly in cases like this where they line up like setup and punchline.

Then we have this absolute masterpiece:

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This is how Jerry reveals that his self-insert is a Sith. Hoo boy, where do I even fucking start? Yes, the summary makes it clear that Alina is a Dark Lady of the Sith, but THIS is how he chose to actually introduce her as such? She just knows this guy in this place who knows she's a Sith, who greets her like an everyday nuisance despite her just having come in from off-planet? Jerry later makes mention that she's been to Not!Tatooine before, but for some fucking reason I doubt that she's spent enough time to develop this kind of casual "fuck you" relationship with anyone there. Who the fuck even is this guy? He's introduced so casually that I'd expect him to be a character from the movie, but Wookiepedia doesn't have a page on anyone named Traig. There's also the matter of the Force Lightning, or more particularly, assuming that the audience knows what Force Lightning is. Fair enough, it's fanfiction, but it's bad fucking writing to just throw down a jargon term and expect the audience to just get it. Then, of course, there's the fact that she's a FUCKING SITH LORD. Rule of Two? Extinction of the Sith? The fact that the word "Sith" was only introduced with the prequel trilogy? The fact that the fucking Jedi were downright mythical at the start of TFA, let alone the Sith? FUCK IT, SHE'S A SITH BECAUSE DIDN'T YOU READ THE REDDIT POST ABOUT HOW UMM AKSHUALLY THE JEDI WERE THE BAD GUYS ALL ALONG?!

FUCK ME THIS IS FUCKING GARBAGE

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Anyway, Alina goes hunting for a scavenger with a spare hyperdrive component, and you already know who is going to show up with one. Instead, let me highlight this paragraph.

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So, there was no actual point to stealing the packs she used to buy water, Jerry just wanted to have a Money Man Bad moment, food is cheap, right? Never mind transportation costs or the fact that the planet is generating nearly nothing of value to sell and import food with, the only reason shitholes exist is because the Bad Money Man made them that way.

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You have a lightsaber and a clear lack of fucks to give about not being an asshole, what else do you need? Also: >implying random pieces of junk from what's left of starships that got blown up, went through atmospheric entry, crashed into the surface, and got left in a desert for 30+ years is going to be of any value beyond scrap metal. Oh, and how could I forget: MONEY MAN BAD

So, Alina meets Not!Jaina (fuck you, I refuse to use her actual name), gets the hots, offers her a bunch of food for the part and its installation, blah blah blah. They sit down and have a meal, and there is another picture.

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MOTHER OF FUCK WHAT IS THAT?

Full disclaimer: I don't draw. I don't draw specifically because I know that that is what my drawings would look like. Also note Alina biting her lip, because that's what CYOOT WEZBEENZ do, right?

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It's called a "Glow rod"

Moving on, Alina has a droid that's not as cool as HK-47, Not!Jaina knows way too much about starships, apparently Jakku is just a general trash heap for old ships instead of a single mass grave from a single battle, Alina keeps lying about herself, and Jerry makes stupid title drops.

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No, seriously, this is what the chapter is named.

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I mean, what the actual fuck? It's a throwaway line with no bearing on the actual content of the chapter. You couldn't even change the format to something like "Mercenary, Bounty Hunter, Courier, Wetwork"? Here, have a line you should have used as your title.

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Not!Jaina heads home once they finish talking, and Alina feels the opening scene of the movie happen.

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Compare to how Obi-Wan took the death of billions:


Alina flies off to the scene of the massacre where she comes across Max von Sydow still alive after getting bisected in the first 2 minutes of the film.

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Then again, it is consistent with the absolute neutering of lightsabers that happened in the movie.

The dying old man tells Alina about Luke and how important it is to find the pilot guy, she agrees to help, and then this happens.

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I get it, that's supposed to be a mercy blow. Supposed to be. Instead, all she's done is made his death even more painful because his brain is still working and every single nerve connection below his neck has been severed. If my understanding of phantom pain is correct, he's feeling something along the lines of his entire body being on fire, and since the arteries were cauterized by the lightsaber, the blood won't drain out of his brain, making it take even longer for him to die. If you're trying to put someone out of his misery, you destroy the brain, not sever the head.

Jerry, you are a hack at writing and painfully ignorant of the intricacies of Star Wars. Fuck you.
 
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Not sure if we still care about Opal but she posted a new video debating a Lily fan

I'll break it down as I listen to it:
Until about 8:00 in there's just a fuckton of technical difficulties, the guest seems to think that having 'right wing commenters" makes Opal right wing
8:07 - 8:15 - Opal talks about being a "demigirl trans person" and disavows transphobic comments + misgendering of Lily
8:57 - The guest reveals both him and Opal have Autism
9:03 - The guest brings up the point that when Contrapoints makes 'mistakes' people don't misgender her
10:00 - Guest backtracks and apologizes for calling Opal a bigot
>11 minutes in, the guy mentions he's autistic

Kinda explains a lot. I don't know what else would possess a man to leave comments every day and argue with people on a video they haven't even really watched about a fanfic they haven't even read. They just take Lily at her word.

Also symptomatic of Lily's fanbase in general. They'd rather look at all the 'right-wing bigots' that are criticizing her than the criticism itself. It's more important that the comments section be full of good beans who aren't misgendering her than it is to have a discussion about whether or not Lily has a kiddie kink.

It's deflection, because they don't want to have the discussion someone they admire might be awful, so they'd rather get mad about literally everything except the actual allegations.

Edit: Just finally got to watch the whole thing. I'll agree with Lio. This guy really sucks. Constantly changing his stance, constantly deflecting, never actually seeming to absorb anything. Frankly, I imagine if anyone ever got into a debate with Lily herself, it'd probably go the exact same way. She'd have no valid excuse for writing Stockholm, try to shift the conversation to being about how you like X so that makes you Y...it was all bad faith arguments. Because some people give Lily too much shit, all criticism of her should be written off. It's all people trying to bully her.

Imagine having a guy harass you for over a month, and when you finally get to talk to him he's a sniveling, drooling moron who was just mad at you. He doesn't even really know why, because he didn't even know what he was debating...he was just angry someone said something bad about a PoC UwU minority.
 
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"white men write rapefics all the time" But not all white men have platforms based around social justice badly disguised as media criticism with a lot of influence over minors and who absolutely has antecedents of dating fans who are significantly younger than herself as soon they turn adults. If you don't believe she is a pedophile, at the very least you have to recognize that is something that could raise anyone's suspicion.

I didn't watched the whole thing because it was so painful. Both of them were just bad. The other guy just constantly losing his own sense like Opal just giving bad arguments that anyone less retarded could have destroyed in seconds. She was clearly not really prepared and was going with immediate thoughts that ocurred to her on the moment. Her only point against Liliana was the fanfic and nothing else, not even how other attitudes of her are disgusting or why the fanfic is just one more red flag among a pile of them. If it was just the fanfic that told us everything we need to know, we wouldn't have 800+ pages of her here.

This was just a waste of anyone's time.
 
>11 minutes in, the guy mentions he's autistic

Kinda explains a lot. I don't know what else would possess a man to leave comments every day and argue with people on a video they haven't even really watched about a fanfic they haven't even read. They just take Lily at her word.

Also symptomatic of Lily's fanbase in general. They'd rather look at all the 'right-wing bigots' that are criticizing her than the criticism itself. It's more important that the comments section be full of good beans who aren't misgendering her than it is to have a discussion about whether or not Lily has a kiddie kink.

It's deflection, because they don't want to have the discussion someone they admire might be awful, so they'd rather get mad about literally everything except the actual allegations.

Edit: Just finally got to watch the whole thing. I'll agree with Lio. This guy really sucks. Constantly changing his stance, constantly deflecting, never actually seeming to absorb anything. Frankly, I imagine if anyone ever got into a debate with Lily herself, it'd probably go the exact same way. She'd have no valid excuse for writing Stockholm, try to shift the conversation to being about how you like X so that makes you Y...it was all bad faith arguments. Because some people give Lily too much shit, all criticism of her should be written off. It's all people trying to bully her.

Imagine having a guy harass you for over a month, and when you finally get to talk to him he's a sniveling, drooling moron who was just mad at you. He doesn't even really know why, because he didn't even know what he was debating...he was just angry someone said something bad about a PoC UwU minority.
Holy shit I couldn't make it two minutes in, the guy sounds like a more nasally version of bathtub Ross.

The best thing about the video is that we get to see Lily's fans running their mouths without her filter, and they sound like gibbering dipshits, what a surprise.
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Holy shit I couldn't make it two minutes in, the guy sounds like a more nasally version of bathtub Ross.

The best thing about the video is that we get to see Lily's fans running their mouths without her filter, and they sound like gibbering dipshits, what a surprise.
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Its worth her time to tell off fans for harassing a ex-fan she barely knew but its not worth her time to tell off her fans who keep harassing her ex-fiancé? Jesus Christ Lily's such a shit bag. imagine supposedly loving someone so much that you wanted to marry them and then in the blink of an eye turn to pure malice because they couldn't put up with your incessant physical/emotional needs.

On a sort of side note this is why I fear her and Mikala breaking up. I'm not saying they will or anything like that but if they did Mikala's life would be over. The comments Lily made recently about just how average Mik is only cements that in my mind.

I didn't comment on it at the time but I seriously don't know anyone who would say 'there's nothing special about my partner' because that would insinuate you don't actually like them. Your partners interests, the way they smile, how they react to certain situations, how excited they get when they talk to you about the most mundane shit, that's what makes a partner special. So to just flat out say there's nothing and that it could've been anyone is super concerning.
 
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"Accusations against me are not important and should be ignored and never debated even with years of evidence and new ones coming up every time I speak, but when I accuse someone it should be treated as an absolute truth even when I have no evidence to support it."

if your position is so impossibly difficult to defend that you shun all conversation, guess who the real problem is
 
Its worth her time to tell off fans for harassing a ex-fan she barely knew but its not worth her time to tell off her fans who keep harassing her ex-fiancé? Jesus Christ Lily's such a shit bag. imagine supposedly loving someone so much that you wanted to marry them and then in the blink of an eye turn to pure malice because they couldn't put up with your incessant physical/emotional needs.

On a sort of side note this is why I fear her and Mikala breaking up. I'm not saying they will or anything like that but if they did Mikala's life would be over. The comments Lily made recently about just how average Mik is only cements that in my mind.

I didn't comment on it at the time but I seriously don't know anyone who would say 'there's nothing special about my partner' because that would insinuate you don't actually like them. Your partners interests, the way they smile, how they react to certain situations, how excited they get when they talk to you about the most mundane shit, that's what makes a partner special. So to just flat out say there's nothing and that it could've been anyone is super concerning.
Like, c'mon Lily. At least tell her you like her personality or her eyes or something. Hell, talk about how you love brainstorming ideas for your shitty comic and fanfics with her. How can you marry someone you find completely mundane and unexceptional?
 
Like, c'mon Lily. At least tell her you like her personality or her eyes or something. Hell, talk about how you love brainstorming ideas for your shitty comic and fanfics with her. How can you marry someone you find completely mundane and unexceptional?
Because the things that actually attract Lily to her, are things she can't openly say without revealing her predatory nature
Things like
- makes free art for her
- dispenses sex for her
- is another trans-lesbian she can use as a shield against criticism
- is easily manipulated via lovebombing and too spineless to stand up for herself
 
The real reason Lily doesn’t want to watch the Opal video is because she knows her defensive fan lost the debate. Lily is so in denial about herself it’s unbelievable.

As for Mikaila, I don’t feel sorry for her if her relationship with Lily collapses because she was one of the main people harassing Lizzy. She also has an annoying fucking voice.
 
In fairness to Opal, the debate was less about Lily and more about why that guy was screaming at her every day solid for a month and accusing her of being a pedophile. Also in fairness to Opal, it's really hard to debate somebody else's points when they don't even know what you were talking about and are just exhibiting a constant knee-jerk reaction under ridiculous, blind assumptions. I don't think the conversation was ultimately fruitful, but it was a good microcosm for Lily's fanbase, who oftentimes don't bother looking at or acknowledging opposing points and just assume people hate Lily for being a strong Native transwoman lesbian.

An interesting thing that came out of that argument, though, is that the guy said he looked up the 'Stockholm TV Tropes page' and it basically portrayed Stockholm as a completely different story. It's not completely different, but it does happen to skim over the more disgusting parts of the story, skirts around the pedophilia, and does a curious amount of contextualizing and expositing. The YMMV page in particular has some interesting justification and explanation.

In fact, the tone of the article has a particular flavor, and is deeply specific for a relatively obscure fanfic series, and introduces some behind the scenes information that seems like it would be... difficult to come by.

Not that I would be suggesting that Lily made sure the write and curate the Stockholm page, the same way she definitely does not write and curate the Poke-Madhouse page.

(Seriously, go look at the Poke-Madohouse TV Tropes page. If it's not nakedly apparent that Lily is/was writing it herself, I'll buy a hat so I can eat it.)

Her deflecting this kind of harassment is especially interesting when she's previously said that it is a creator's responsibility to control their fanbase. She said that Josh Scorcher was responsible for the harassment she received after their falling out (despite Josh making a whole video telling people to please not go after her). She blames Rebecca Sugar for toxic aspects of the SU fandom. She blames people who make kid's cartoons for not somehow stopping lewd fanart.

But when Lily's fans go harass people? Eh, she can't be bothered to even make a gesture.
 
Pain, here's some highlights from today that are...just egregious, including an anonymous "apology" from the tard who was in opal's video, supposedly.
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She seems to hate answering the same questions but she has no problem linking that same alt right playbook video over and over.
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"Lizzy was mean to me so I won't stop my fans from harassing her day and night"
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And we finish with someone pointing out how Lily skims free art off of people and then kicks them out of her friendgroup. I kind of hate these conversations because Lily either attempts to dismiss it all together, or gets hung up on one point so as not to acknowledge another.

It's such an established pattern that I can't imagine following Lily and never identifying it.
 
Pain, here's some highlights from today that are...just egregious, including an anonymous "apology" from the tard who was in opal's video, supposedly.
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She seems to hate answering the same questions but she has no problem linking that same alt right playbook video over and over.
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"Lizzy was mean to me so I won't stop my fans from harassing her day and night"
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And we finish with someone pointing out how Lily skims free art off of people and then kicks them out of her friendgroup. I kind of hate these conversations because Lily either attempts to dismiss it all together, or gets hung up on one point so as not to acknowledge another.

It's such an established pattern that I can't imagine following Lily and never identifying it.
Lily doesn't even acknowledge anyone who doesn't agree with her opinions in cartoons, let alone in serious conversations

she prefers to imagine that everyone just wants attention and take her down, bringing everyone together in the same boat and getting so indulgent with her own safe space that she buries herself deeper and deeper in her hole that is no wonder she thinks she is always right , her understanding of the topics she talks about is unable to evolve outside her bubble

Lily never talks to anyone outside of her "quality control", she doesn't respond to her "stalkers", but whenever possible she throw shade on every fandom she's ever been a part of, in addition to her favorite punchbag Lizzy, and still thinks she won the argument because they say nothing and let her talk to herself in her corner because she’s not worth it

if silence is complience then does Lily agree with everything they say about her if she refuses to pay attention?

if you watch your streams (don’t, it’s not worth it) it’s Lily and her friends validating each other and insulting those who don’t have the same opinions as them
"Wow, this is great"
"You are right, I agree 100%"
"this is so true, difficult to counter"
"these guys just hate fun"
"how can they disagree with that"

this is not much of a discussion but more for a collective masturbation where nothing is learned and the debate is against a strawman that they do not bother to understand and only assume to know how everyone in the opposition really thinks

TL;DR :Lily thinks she is superior when she beats someone that does not want to fight and when she ignores who questions this attitude
when she ignores others is standing with intelligence, when others ignore her they are cowards intimidated by her
 
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In fairness to Opal, the debate was less about Lily and more about why that guy was screaming at her every day solid for a month and accusing her of being a pedophile. Also in fairness to Opal, it's really hard to debate somebody else's points when they don't even know what you were talking about and are just exhibiting a constant knee-jerk reaction under ridiculous, blind assumptions. I don't think the conversation was ultimately fruitful, but it was a good microcosm for Lily's fanbase, who oftentimes don't bother looking at or acknowledging opposing points and just assume people hate Lily for being a strong Native transwoman lesbian.

An interesting thing that came out of that argument, though, is that the guy said he looked up the 'Stockholm TV Tropes page' and it basically portrayed Stockholm as a completely different story. It's not completely different, but it does happen to skim over the more disgusting parts of the story, skirts around the pedophilia, and does a curious amount of contextualizing and expositing. The YMMV page in particular has some interesting justification and explanation.

In fact, the tone of the article has a particular flavor, and is deeply specific for a relatively obscure fanfic series, and introduces some behind the scenes information that seems like it would be... difficult to come by.

Not that I would be suggesting that Lily made sure the write and curate the Stockholm page, the same way she definitely does not write and curate the Poke-Madhouse page.

(Seriously, go look at the Poke-Madohouse TV Tropes page. If it's not nakedly apparent that Lily is/was writing it herself, I'll buy a hat so I can eat it.)


Her deflecting this kind of harassment is especially interesting when she's previously said that it is a creator's responsibility to control their fanbase. She said that Josh Scorcher was responsible for the harassment she received after their falling out (despite Josh making a whole video telling people to please not go after her). She blames Rebecca Sugar for toxic aspects of the SU fandom. She blames people who make kid's cartoons for not somehow stopping lewd fanart.

But when Lily's fans go harass people? Eh, she can't be bothered to even make a gesture.
I thought we all assumed already that only Liliana could be the person that cares enough about her pedo fics to make an entire page to only speak about it and same about the rape pokemon comic. Wasn't Tara also an editor at some point, even after she was supposedly arrested for possesion of child pornography? Supposedly in prison, but still wanting everyone to know how good the work of Liliana was, what a dedicated fan.
 
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She seems to hate answering the same questions but she has no problem linking that same alt right playbook video over and over.
as someone who's watched the video I find it interesting that she acknowledges the whole "Nothing obligates me to argue with my accusers" but does not acknowledge the immediate proceeding point in the video where the narrator also says "You can tell your audience what the truth is with out addressing the accuser, because explanations usually land a lot better when not immediately contrasted with the accusation"
admittedly the "I am not obligated to interact with it" kind of clears any necessity to deal with the second part.
 
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