Liberty Safe Confirms They Gave Feds Access Code to Gun Safe During Raid on January 6 Protester - Liberty Safe have universal codes to their safes

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/09/06/liberty-safe-caved-gave-fbi-access-code-january-6-n2163468

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Liberty Safe, "America's #1 heavy-duty home and gun safe manufacturer," according to their website, issued a statement late Tuesday night confirming that they'd given the FBI an access code to a customer's gun safe in response to a request on August 30, 2023. That request came during a raid on the home of a man who'd attended a protest on January 6.

The statement reads:

On August 30, 2023, Liberty Safe was contacted by the FBI requesting the access code to the safe of an individual for whom they had a warrant to search their property. Our company protocol is to provide access codes to law enforcement if a warrant grants them access to a property. After receiving the request, we received proof of the valid warrant, and only then did we provide them with an access code. Liberty Safe had no knowledge of any of the details surrounding the investigation at the time.
Liberty Safe is devoted to protecting the personal property and 2nd amendment rights of our customers and has repeatedly denied requests for access codes without a warrant in the past. We do not give out combinations without proper legal documentation being provided by authorities.
We regularly update our policies to ensure both compliance with federal and state law and reasonable consumer privacy protections within the law. First and foremost, Liberty Safe is committed to preserving our customers’ rights, and we will remain unwavering in those values.

The incident they're referring to is the arrest of Nathan Hughes in Arkansas on August 30, 2023, after an FBI raid related to Hughes' attendance at the January 6 protests. On Monday evening the Hodgetwins tweeted out Hughes' story, including that "the feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too."

The full tweet shares more disturbing information, including that the FBI turned off his security cameras and held his girlfriend at gunpoint and put her in handcuffs.

Last week, a friend of ours was raided by the feds over J6, his name is Nathan Hughes and he’s from Fayetteville, Arkansas. Nate was raided by the FBI and arrested at gun point. His girlfriend (who just had a miscarriage) was held at gun point and put in handcuffs. The FBI turned off his security cameras, unplugged his internet, and flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. All for protesting at the Capitol over 2 1/2 years ago.
He is being charged with crimes related to January 6th. He didn’t assault anyone and he didn’t vandalize anything. He is being labeled a domestic terrorist and a traitor to his country by woke leftists and the media.
Nate is just like us…he’s an outspoken American Patriot…he loves freedom, loves his country, and would do anything to preserve our rights. He’s been fighting to save our country for years now.
He’s also a small business owner with a family that relies on him.
We all know how heated this political climate is getting, but they’ve pushed too far and it’s time for people to speak up for people getting screwed by the system. BLM and Antifa can go burn down our cities and get off the hook, but Trump supporters get raided and rounded up for protesting.
Nate’s legal bills to fight these charges will be over $100,000, so we’re donating $5,000 to Nathan’s defense fund to start it out, and hope you can donate something too. Link in next tweet.

Obviously, that tweet set off a flurry of social media activity and speculation about Liberty Safe, leading to the company's acknowledgement that they had given the FBI "the access code" to Nathan Hughes' gun safe. While it could be tempting to at least give them credit for coming clean, they were simply trying to get slightly ahead of the s**t storm - once court filings related to the raid and search are made public, they'll clearly show that the feds made contact with Liberty and were given the/an access code. It's not really clear whether this is an access code only for that safe or is some kind of universal backdoor access that all Liberty safes have.

Regardless, the assertion that they are committed to protecting the personal property and 2nd Amendment rights of their customers and preserving their rights is a joke. Even if there's a valid warrant for law enforcement to search the premises, if there was no backdoor access available the feds would have had to find another way into Hughes' safe and perhaps he would have had the opportunity to have his attorney challenge the search warrant. It's not up to Liberty to decide whether or not a warrant being served on one of their customers is valid. If they're so committed to their customers' privacy and protecting their fundamental rights, they could at least go through the motions of having their own legal team fight requests for access. Even better, they can ensure that there's no backdoor access available, period.

 

[Sniperwoof]

Corpos are not your friends, the right will never get anywhere unless they realize this. Corpos view their primary purpose as being handmaidens for globohomo.

 

[John McAfee]

Just stop locking up your guns altogether. Having a few in every room will make returning fire for your 6am fbi wake up call easier.

 

[mlanguishi]

Just posted this on the general gun thread. Their Twitter is locked down, and even TheQuartering was in on the bashing. 2.2m views on an account that normally got 10k or so per tweet.

It's a marketing disaster and maybe a no-win scenario, but this very well could sink the company. I'm sure all the electronic locks out there have backdoors though, so not like it matters. It's weird to me that Liberty and the feds would blow their Intel wad over something like this when they could just tear it open faster than going to Liberty like they did.

 

[JosephStalin]

Congress lost face on 1-6 and they are determined to do whatever it takes to punish those who made them hide like a bunch of whipped dogs. Then Congress wonders why so few people have any respect for them as a body.

If you believe you need a gun safe, build your own or have one built for you. Alternatively, buy a ready-made safe and change the locking mechanism.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

I'm sure all the electronic locks out there have backdoors though, so not like it matters.

yeah never ever trust anything electronic when it comes to security. not only can we presume they all have backdoor, but even against regular criminals electronic locks are shit.

also, as others have pointed out, corporations are not your friend. one of the things which always frustrated me when i was a libertarian was how so many conservatives and right leaning libertarians will suck the cock of big corporations and rich CEOs. i know we all hate marxists, and i agree, they all deserve to be thrown into wood chippers, but that doesn't mean some big billion dollar corporation is your friend and you should gunt gaurd them.

how is it not the most conservative of takes to say small local family owned businesses are better than billion dollar corporations?

 

[BikeLock]

Imagine using an electronic safe.

 

[Meat Target]

how is it not the most conservative of takes to say small local family owned businesses are better than billion dollar corporations?

Koch Brothers propaganda, playing on Boomer nostalgia for Reagan, and Tea-Party-Lite bashing of all government action as "socialism" (which did nothing but alienate conservatives from government).

Lolbergs are a psyop. Believe me, I used to be one.

 

[mlanguishi]

Imagine using an electronic safe.

Well, I mostly have mine for fire protection and to keep someone from grabbing something and using it against me if I walk in on a burglary. Even if you have a $5k+ bolted down safe it can probably be beaten open within an hour or 2.

This story is starting to get traction too.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Corpos are not your friends, the right will never get anywhere unless they realize this. Corpos view their primary purpose as being handmaidens for globohomo.

Not even that, their primary purpose is to make money. Just look at all the dumbasses who thought Fox News/Tucker were "on their side".

 

[Sniperwoof]

Better change your name to safes by Bud Light because your business is fucked.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

There goes the liberty and the safeness in the name.

 

[The Nothingness]

Time to see how many gun stores will still carry these safes.

 

[mlanguishi]

Time to see how many gun stores will still carry these safes.

And to see if the other big players will stay quiet or come out saying they don't have backdoors or have a way to disable them. My guess is there's going to be a lot of collar-tugging in the bigger safe company board meetings soon.

 

[Meat Target]

And to see if the other big players will stay quiet or come out saying they don't have backdoors or have a way to disable them. My guess is there's going to be a lot of collar-tugging in the bigger safe company board meetings soon.

I didn't think electronic safes were capable of having backdoors without an internet connection. Is it as simple as an RFID device? Seems like it's defeats the purpose of locking in the first place.

I hate the Internet of Things.

 

[Jean ValJean]

A universal code. So in other words, worthless for storing anything of value.

 

[Kheapathic]

I didn't think electronic safes were capable of having backdoors without an internet connection. Is it as simple as an RFID device? Seems like it's defeats the purpose of locking in the first place.

I hate the Internet of Things.

I can't say this is exactly how it is; but many digital safes let you make your own combination (like all safes). But they also usually come with an Administrator/Override/Master code too. It wouldn't surprise me if there's also a Vender code as well. Dude probably knew his private code and the Master code but wouldn't tell, so the feds just called for the vendor. Again, speculation, but one of the easiest ways to explain it.

 

[mlanguishi]

I didn't think electronic safes were capable of having backdoors without an internet connection. Is it as simple as an RFID device? Seems like it's defeats the purpose of locking in the first place.

I hate the Internet of Things.

There's certainly no radios in the ones I know of. I don't know if we'll ever get the full story. My best bet is there's some long ass code that series of the safes all share that only 'those in the know' are supposed to know about. It wouldn't make sense really to go by serial number, because I'm pretty sure all serials on major safe brands are only printed on the inside. I know my older one basically said you lose the combo, get a safe cracker, there's no backup. But I doubt you can trust it.

ETA there are small electronic safes with bluetooth though that are relatively new,

 

[Meat Target]

I can't say this is exactly how it is; but many digital safes let you make your own combination (like all safes). But they also usually come with an Administrator/Override/Master code too. It wouldn't surprise me if there's also a Vender code as well. Dude probably knew his private code and the Master code but wouldn't tell, so the feds just called for the vendor. Again, speculation, but one of the easiest ways to explain it.

Mine has a traditional tumbler lock and key as a backup, in case the battery to the keypad dies.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Better change your name to safes by Bud Light because your business is fucked.

Hell they could have said "we don't have that, cut the safe open" and been done with it.

It you know.... NOT have an electronic master key.

I don't care if I have to call of locksmith or legit safecracker for my stupidity, electronic master keys should only exist for retail display safes and fle when the safe hasn't had it's personal passcode set yet