Plagued Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

[Kiwisee]

Why do Lolicons like this series so much?

Oh right, because they relate to the protagonist a little too well.

 

[des Pudels Kern]

This thread has made me regret anime.

 

[WelperHelper99]

This thread has made me regret anime.

I think about this a lot. On one hand you can just go doomer, say there's nothing worth saving. On the other, I've watched my fair share, enough to know there's something worth fighting for. Like it or not it's more popular now than it's ever been. Walking away and letting the lolicons "own" anime is not something I can accept. I refuse to accept it.

 

[Coberald]

This thread has made me regret anime.

I think about this a lot. On one hand you can just go doomer, say there's nothing worth saving. On the other, I've watched my fair share, enough to know there's something worth fighting for. Like it or not it's more popular now than it's ever been. Walking away and letting the lolicons "own" anime is not something I can accept. I refuse to accept it.

Shitposting aside, I don't think anime as a whole can be described as inherently pedophilic anymore than movies can be called inherently negrophilic because of the prevalence of DEI in Hollywood. While those defects are unfortunately common in their respective medium they are not vital elements of it but the consequence of societal pressures (i.e. Blackrock funding or the desire to appeal to certain sections of the population) and the idiosyncrasies of a given work's creator(s) (i.e. A screenwriter becoming a self-hating white after college or a mangaka being a pedophile).

 

[Kari Kamiya]

This thread has made me regret anime.

It's not like you're obligated to watch every single anime the moment you become a fan. You choose the anime you want to watch (or continue watching), and it will not make you any less of a fan than someone who has essentially taken it upon themselves to watch all they can for whatever reason, because it's a fun challenge, or you're interested in the medium, or it's a crippling addiction.

Unless you claim to be an expert at anime when you've only seen what's currently popular or you're only in it for the porn, both of which makes you a faggot.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Shitposting aside, I don't think anime as a whole can be described as inherently pedophilic anymore than movies can be called inherently negrophilic because of the prevalence of DEI in Hollywood. While those defects are unfortunately common in their respective medium they are not vital elements of it but the consequence of societal pressures (i.e. Blackrock funding or the desire to appeal to certain sections of the population) and the idiosyncrasies of a given work's creator(s) (i.e. A screenwriter becoming a self-hating white after college or a mangaka being a pedophile).

Agreed. Thing is when you start diving deep into this realm, you start to realize there are different factions of creators. Some are based, some are cringe, some are pedophiles.

One thing I hate, that lolicons often say, is that "Japan" is a entity. Lol lmao. You can go from one manga written by one author, extremely based, to a total faggot that puts lolicon into everything, hell, it might even be "woke". How? Because Anime is made by artists with different opinions. And they are often weirdos in their own right, for better or worse.

 

[des Pudels Kern]

It's not like you're obligated to watch every single anime the moment you become a fan. You choose the anime you want to watch (or continue watching)

I really only watch the ones I own from a long ass time ago like Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Vampire Hunter D, and Ninja Scroll. I do rewatch them at least once a year because I really like them.

Unless you claim to be an expert at anime when you've only seen what's currently popular or you're only in it for the porn, both of which makes you a faggot.

I would not claim to be an expert at anything, but I'm sure I hold many other opinions about other subjects which could get me labeled a faggot. My youngest cousin lived with me for a few months out of college and he was onto some incredibly suspicious stuff and he was also incredibly depressed, and my only real advice was nigga you need to stop watching so much anime.

 

[Echnaton]

Probably the biggest issue here is that at least 80% of people involved in this (for or against) have no idea what a "loli" even is. Asuka is 14? Loli. Random anime girl who's petite but is like 20? Loli. Literal 5 year old? Loli.

In US justice system, there are two different codes for this: molestation of individuals under 13 (iirc, Larry Lawton mentioned this), and over 13. They wanna kill you for the former, but nobody gives a shit about the latter, since half of the people inside are niggers who probably knocked up a 16 year old ghetto rat or two

 

[WelperHelper99]

I would not claim to be an expert at anything, but I'm sure I hold many other opinions about other subjects which could get me labeled a faggot. My youngest cousin lived with me for a few months out of college and he was onto some incredibly suspicious stuff and he was also incredibly depressed, and my only real advice was nigga you need to stop watching so much anime

Ah. My sympathies are out for you man. You did the right thing.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Probably the biggest issue here is that at least 80% of people involved in this (for or against) have no idea what a "loli" even is. Asuka is 14? Loli. Random anime girl who's petite but is like 20? Loli. Literal 5 year old? Loli.

In US justice system, there are two different codes for this: molestation of individuals under 13 (iirc, Larry Lawton mentioned this), and over 13. They wanna kill you for the former, but nobody gives a shit about the latter, since half of the people inside are niggers who probably knocked up a 16 year old ghetto rat or two

That's because Twitter is Twitter and they are all retarded

 

[The Foxtrot]

Probably the biggest issue here is that at least 80% of people involved in this (for or against) have no idea what a "loli" even is. Asuka is 14? Loli. Random anime girl who's petite but is like 20? Loli. Literal 5 year old? Loli.

That's because Twitter is Twitter and they are all retarded

For me, the single biggest sign of the above post is the lolifags called Rebecca from Cyberpunk: Edgerunners a loli. I know I have said it before, but it still grinds the fuck outta my gears, it's like they intentionally try to poison the discourse and conflate "petite anime woman" with "literal child" as a shield to hide behind. And/or claim shit other people love as "loli" (above example) to drive the "tourists" away, even when as someone else said earlier, they are the "tourists" to any fandom since they're only here for the porn, nothing else.

 

[WelperHelper99]

https://x.com/TheSliceofAnime/status/1861651165584204049
https://nitter.poast.org/TheSliceofAnime/status/1861651165584204049#
https://archive.ph/EQikp
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/oaiVE

Ok lads, i have spent way too much time and energy screenshotting and archiving all this shit. But it was well worth it. In one tweet i have found a nest of accounts i'm going to be investigating in due time.

Now the Tweet:

What is this? Oh just arguably the first openly blatant tranny anime

It even has the fucking colors. Onimai: I'm Now Your Sister! I actually reviewed in its A&N thread (That happened) when it first aired. The interesting part is that there was TWO versions. The western release... and the NIPPON release you could only find through piracy. And we are talking massive edits. Why? Well, i'm just going to let wikipedia take it from here:

Wikipedia:
The series follows Mahiro Oyama, an otaku and NEET who lives alone with his scientist younger sister Mihari. One day he wakes up to find himself transformed into a young girl, a result of one of Mihari's experiments. Mahiro must now learn to become comfortable in his new body whilst living life as a middle school girl.

This is fetish fuel the show. Genderbend. Loli. NEET. They tried desperately to sanitize it. Lets see the comments of this post to see how well they succeeded:

Spoiler: NSFL and HARAM

As you can see, it attracted lolicons like moths to a flame, because yeah, no shit. Absolute shamelessness. There is even a fucking TROON in there. Truly based and trad as i've been told lolicon is.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

What is this? Oh just arguably the first openly blatant tranny anime

*ahem*

Oshimai is just a fetish series that pretends to poke fun of gender roles but winks and nudges you as it does. Hibari-kun at least was light-hearted about it without relying on wank material and was family-friendly enough to air during dinnertime.

Trannies and lolicons flocked to Oshimai because it's a fetish series about being tricked into becoming a middle school girl, which they secretly want happening to them. Probably also the creator if you take into account he showed off an (NSFL) official body pillow of the main character.

Also interestingly enough, the author's a fan of Kuroko Shirai from A Certain Scientific Railgun according to his Pixiv (which is SFW without an account), who is a middle schooler ESPer lesbian, and he also likes Kyoko/Sayaka from Madoka Magica, who're also middle schoolers. Sensing a pattern here.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Hibari-kun at least was light-hearted about it without relying on wank material and was family-friendly enough to air during dinnertime.

*checks notes*

This came out in 1981, 83 for the anime adaption, what the fuck? Even for a gag series, i'm a bit surprised its that old given the the topic.

 

[Brap God]

Probably the biggest issue here is that at least 80% of people involved in this (for or against) have no idea what a "loli" even is. Asuka is 14? Loli. Random anime girl who's petite but is like 20? Loli. Literal 5 year old? Loli.

I'll concede that amongst all the "hot takes" you see online, you'll never find enough people to reach a consensus on where we draw the line at what's a loli, but there's one thing that can easily be determined, a loli body type. Even if someone wants to argue about "muh short petite woman with barely there tits", it's too much of a coincidence for all those factors to be there all at the same time. It's fetishization of the underdeveloped female form.

For me, the single biggest sign of the above post is the lolifags called Rebecca from Cyberpunk: Edgerunners a loli. I know I have said it before, but it still grinds the fuck outta my gears, it's like they intentionally try to poison the discourse and conflate "petite anime woman" with "literal child" as a shield to hide behind. And/or claim shit other people love as "loli" (above example) to drive the "tourists" away, even when as someone else said earlier, they are the "tourists" to any fandom since they're only here for the porn, nothing else.

I neither doubt that employees of studio Trigger would view Rebecca as a loli, nor the fact that they'd put their foot down to include her with that specific body type. You can have whatever headcanon you want about her, whoever designed her is into lolis without a doubt and that's why she looks the way she does.

I think about this a lot. On one hand you can just go doomer, say there's nothing worth saving. On the other, I've watched my fair share, enough to know there's something worth fighting for. Like it or not it's more popular now than it's ever been. Walking away and letting the lolicons "own" anime is not something I can accept. I refuse to accept it.

Japanese otakus and creatives are far more into and accepting of lolis and lolicons. Rurouni Kenshin mangaka gets caught with CSAM? Not only does he get a ridiculously light sentence, nice one japanese judicial system, no one speaks out against him, his works continue to get adapted, supported, huge names in the mangaka work all come together to celebrate the 30th anniversary of his series, etc. There were also cases of a music composer and an anime film producer that were caught filming and soliciting nudes from high school age girls, respectively. There are japanese vtubers that are open shotacons/lolicons, loli is the top category for gooners both domestically and abroad (https://x.com/Nretsewtheperv/status/1860462941021339968) and the list goes on. Otaku media is as pozzed with loli fetishization as western media is pozzed with tranny and diversity garbage. Even your beloved franchise has that Prisma Illya spin-off, it feels haram just uttering the name, and the mobile game. You can, of course, ignore all of that and just enjoy the series you like which are devoid of that shit or have "harmless" representation of it, but that doesn't change the fact that the loli shota shit is a mainstay at this point. TL;DR is that it's not the twitter lolicons you should be worried about, it's how normalized and accepted it is at the very core of the industry. They don't give a tenth of a fuck about what overseas fans think, so foreigners don't really get to dictate whether lolicons own anime or not, sadly.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Japanese otakus and creatives are far more into and accepting of lolis and lolicons. Rurouni Kenshin mangaka gets caught with CSAM? Not only does he get a ridiculously light sentence, nice one japanese judicial system, no one speaks out against him, his works continue to get adapted, supported, huge names in the mangaka work all come together to celebrate the 30th anniversary of his series, etc.

I have not heard a single normal person that thinks he was innocent. He should have gotten life and the gas chambers. Sorry bro im not a Judge.

There were also cases of a music composer and an anime film producer that were caught filming and soliciting nudes from high school age girls, respectively.

i believe you but i could say the same for Hollywood

There are japanese vtubers that are open shotacons/lolicons, loli is the top category for gooners both domestically and abroad (https://x.com/Nretsewtheperv/status/1860462941021339968) and the list goes on. Otaku media is as pozzed with loli fetishization as western media is pozzed with tranny and diversity garbage. Even your beloved franchise has that Prisma Illya spin-off, it feels haram just uttering the name, and the mobile game.

prisma illia is garbage and so are Vtumors.

You can, of course, ignore all of that and just enjoy the series you like which are devoid of that shit or have "harmless" representation of it, but that doesn't change the fact that the loli shota shit is a mainstay at this point. TL;DR is that it's not the twitter lolicons you should be worried about, it's how normalized and accepted it is at the very core of the industry. They don't give a tenth of a fuck about what overseas fans think, so foreigners don't really get to dictate whether lolicons own anime or not, sadly.

My wallet and the ever growing western market does in fact dictate the direction of anime. Have you been in a hole the last decade?

 

[Corn Flakes]

It even has the fucking colors. Onimai: I'm Now Your Sister! I actually reviewed in its A&N thread (That happened) when it first aired. The interesting part is that there was TWO versions. The western release... and the NIPPON release you could only find through piracy. And we are talking massive edits. Why? Well, i'm just going to let wikipedia take it from here:

Wikipedia:
The series follows Mahiro Oyama, an otaku and NEET who lives alone with his scientist younger sister Mihari. One day he wakes up to find himself transformed into a young girl, a result of one of Mihari's experiments. Mahiro must now learn to become comfortable in his new body whilst living life as a middle school girl.

This is fetish fuel the show. Genderbend. Loli. NEET. They tried desperately to sanitize it. Lets see the comments of this post to see how well they succeeded:


As you can see, it attracted lolicons like moths to a flame, because yeah, no shit. Absolute shamelessness. There is even a fucking TROON in there. Truly based and trad as i've been told lolicon is.

Ah, so that's what that shit is. I thought it was just another "boy is forced to crossdress", but I guess he gets transformed into a girl outright. No wonder the troons were all over it.

I'm gonna spoiler the next bit because it's probably just going to cause a derailing otherwise:

Spoiler: Sperging about petite body types and Cyberpunk Edgerunners' Rebecca

I neither doubt that employees of studio Trigger would view Rebecca as a loli, nor the fact that they'd put their foot down to include her with that specific body type. You can have whatever headcanon you want about her, whoever designed her is into lolis without a doubt and that's why she looks the way she does.

Rebecca is always going to be a controversial character because there are two completely different stories about her being added to the show:


That initial design isn't what most people would consider loli (she's like 7 heads tall), and neither is her final design:


That ain't a prepubescent girl. Despite being the shortest character in the show, she's still far too tall and she's got hips too wide for that. You could argue she was modeled as a teenager and that she's got a deliberately childlike face (when she's not talking, anyway), but that's not the body type lolicons are after. Neither is her voice. Both the JP and EN dubs make her sound like an early-20s girl, and even in Japanese she's lacking the usual perma high-pitch voice loli characters always have. One of the CDPR people might have referred to her as a loli in that panel because that was their first impression of her (and I really doubt a Japanese animation studio, even Trigger, would use direct language like "the loli stays!"), but that's not what her design says.

In the end, the lolicons didn't get a claim on her. While there's an enormous amount of porn featuring Rebecca out there, most of it either sticks to her default proportions, or bumps up her hips and legs, sometimes to ridiculous levels. An "official" loli character is usually only picked up for fanart by lolicon artists, who usually make the character more flat and childlike.

Anyway, there's more to the adult female form than just tits, as the Australian government found out after getting roundly mocked for banning small-breasted porn actresses. So, it's important to get definitions right, because as @White Diamond pointed out discussions never get anywhere because nobody can agree on what a "loli" is.

Ironically, Japanese lolicons tend to be a lot more honest about their degeneracy: while Western lolicons will beat around the bush and refuse to offer any kind of definition to what, exactly, qualifies as a "loli", the JP crowd is clear that once the girl becomes pubescent (or as they say it, "has her first period") she's "ruined" to them. Since that's the only non-circular definition you'll ever find out there, that's the one I tend to stick with when talking about lolicons: anyone who's into prepubescent characters is one. It's a useful definition because it's pretty damn easy to tell just by looking at the characters that make them salivate.

Of course, there's a whole different crowd that lusts over high-school characters instead (JK/joshi kosei), both in the "flat" and "ridiculously busty" variety. But considering how much Western porn is marketed as "barely legal" or feature adult actresses playing characters specified to be underage... that's not really a Japan or even weeb thing, and it's while it's also definitely deplorable it's not really the subject of this thread.

 

[Gravemind]

TL;DR is that it's not the twitter lolicons you should be worried about, it's how normalized and accepted it is at the very core of the industry. They don't give a tenth of a fuck about what overseas fans think, so foreigners don't really get to dictate whether lolicons own anime or not, sadly.

Right, but

This thread and the Farms is to document this gross phenomenon and its enjoyers.

And Twitter lolicons happen to fall under the umbrella of people whose behavior should be documented for the thread. Anything more than this that starts bordering on "calls to action" can be considered gayops.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Right, but


And Twitter lolicons happen to fall under the umbrella of people whose behavior should be documented for the thread. Anything more than this that starts bordering on "calls to action" can be considered gayops.

It's actually disheartening how easy they are to find on Twitter. I don't have to dig really, they're just on the ground pretty much.

But on your point, yeah man. Like what are we supposed to do about industry wide rot? I don't think we could even if we tried, which isn't the point of the thread. The point is to laugh and mock the freaks that post this shit in public. Twitter is just the most accessible avenue.

 

[Brap God]

I have not heard a single normal person that thinks he was innocent. He should have gotten life and the gas chambers. Sorry bro im not a Judge.

No one, not even people that have cited his works as inspiration for theirs, have disavowed him. Let's ignore the law part, he's not only gone unpunished in the industry; they outright support and enable him. That was the point of what I was saying, not putting to question whether he got his due punishment or whether he's a pedo or not.

i believe you but i could say the same for Hollywood

I don't see how this makes a difference. I'm sure that in both cases the people being wealthy has something to do with the proclivity towards pedophilia, but are you implying that's all there is to it?

prisma illia is garbage

Garbage that Type Moon greenlighted.

My wallet and the ever growing western market does in fact dictate the direction of anime. Have you been in a hole the last decade?

And how has the global viewership in any way impacted the direction of anime? I'd love to hear some examples.

And Twitter lolicons happen to fall under the umbrella of people whose behavior should be documented for the thread. Anything more than this that starts bordering on "calls to action" can be considered gayops.

Just to make it clear, I was specifically talking about the twitter denizen's impact on the medium. They very well should be documented, pointed, laughed at and ridiculed. That much goes without saying.