🤝 Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

Thank you for listening to Sunday Deep Thoughts on NPR. I’m your host, dr Zoidberg.

Here’s a question: Do you guys think it’s possible to walk back POTS as a diagnosis (in the US)? I ask this as a Eurofag & medfag - where I live you’d be laughed out of every single doctor’s office, private and public, if you tried to claim POTS was anything other than an inconvenience that is manageable with pretty basic meds and accommodations. I know there are outliers (some first wave COVID patients for example) that suffer a lot but I’ve asked around at a major university hospital here and infusions are definitely not part of the treatment plan, even for them.

I just don’t understand how this medicalization is justified and it must be a strain on an already broken system to enable this too? Is there no regulatory apparatus that is mandated to curb this? (Believe it or not I’m kind of a libertarian but this shit makes me so MOTI I want STASI to step in right now. Reeee!)

The gals in this thread are idiots and deserve what they get, most of them, anyway. But is it necessary to make it so easy for them to be munchies?

ETA: this goes for gastroparesis too btw.

Freedomland medfag here, and I sure fucking wish we could walk back POTS, hypermobile EDS, CFS/ME, gastoparesis, fibromyalgia, "long covid" and "chronic Lyme," and all this other wackadoo bullshit the munchies love.

What we have here is a good 'ol culture bound illness. All these stupid "diseases" have the same things in common: subjective symptoms of pain, fatigue, GI stuff, and "brain fog." Each and every one of these symptoms has a major major psychological component and can (and do!!) manifest from depression alone. Each and every one of these things is more common in people with significant psychiatric comorbidity, particularly eating disorders (also, being underweight can cause these symptoms outright). And all of these diseases predominantly affect affluent, overachieving, mostly white women between 20 and 40.

Spoiler: Sperging on the fuckery of American medicine

All of these "diseases" are the same goddamn thing. And they're mostly somatization. And all of the sufferers forcibly reject the idea that their brains could be in ANY way responsible for what they are feeling, and they will happily pay out of pocket and travel around the country for every single medical subspecialist except psychiatry. American medicine still loves to split physical health and mental health into very different categories in spite of the fact that your brain is an organ and controls literally everything you do and everything you experience. This stigma against mental illness makes it really easy for these people to believe that they have 15 different chronic diseases, but it's apparently impossible for them to believe their mind is playing tricks on them.

American medicine also prizes intervention over conservative measures. Preventive and conservative care doesn't pay for shit. Big invasive surgeries and devices, however, reimburse VERY handsomely. Capitalism at its finest! An example: The one therapy that has been proven to be effective for chronic regional pain syndrome (aka amplified pain syndrome) is an intensive inpatient conditioning program that basically trains the brain to ignore inappropriate pain signals from the affected body part. It is laborious for patients and medical staff. It is lengthy. It is HARD. It is expensive to run, because it requires a multidisciplinary team of physicians, psychologists, and physical/occupational therapists, as well as the nurses and support staff. But it fucking WORKS. Because it doesn't generate any income for the hospital, few of these programs exist. Instead, you've got these people going to pain clinics run by anesthesiologists who will perform nerve blocks and other interventions that don't work. But hey, that just means return business, right?

Contrast this to the outright quackery of Bolognese, Henderson, and Klinge, whose work is at least tolerated by the hospital systems they are affiliated with, because it brings in millions of dollars in revenue. It's pretty similar to transgender surgeries. Surely - SURELY the folks at UCSF, the place that pioneered fetal surgery and other borderline insane medical procedures that actually DO work,, know that vaginoplasty and phalloplasty procedures don't fucking work. There's no reason on this earth that any sane physician would ever think that they WOULD work! But the cultural zeitgeist supports it and insurance has to pay for it and it reimburses handsomely (including all the inevitable revisions), so here we are.

We're also in this profoundly weird and horrid cultural space where the personal is the political, people's lived experiences are treated as gospel truth, and telling someone that they've got it wrong is MEDICAL GASLIGHTING, which of course is a cardinal sin. Oh, and no one respects professional opinions anymore, they'd rather get their information from randos on the internet. And most doctors are evaluated by their employers based on - I wish I were fucking kidding - customer satisfaction scores. So physicians are heavily pressured to placate patients with a diagnosis, a referral, a medication - whatever it is that they wanted. A diagnosis is seen as something that at least doesn't cause immediate harm. But once one doctor bestows a diagnosis on a patient and enters it into their medical record, it is legitimized. And once someone starts the cascade of interventions, it's really hard to stop. Often these folks will doctor shop for the quack who'll give them what they want, which is always inappropriate meds, procedures, or surgeries, and then once they get the complications of these unnecessary treatments, they can enter the medical system writ large, because you just can't refuse to treat someone with sepsis even if they gave it to themselves.

Oh Yeah!
Dr. Spaghetti and his famous craniocervical butchery!

I was unfamiliar with Dr. Petra Klinge, and now I have to look into her. I feel confident it won't be hard to find the ties to Henderson and Bolognese - it's one big circle jerk of quackery and malpractice. Wonder how long she's been at Brown. Usually the big names drop these loony tunes at the first lawsuit.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Oh, and no one respects professional opinions anymore, they'd rather get their information from randos on the internet.

All of what you said is true but let's not forget the other side of the coin, which is that:

1. The average patient is not (at the outset at least) accessing doctors with either real or pretend "expertise," but a series of midlevels*, halfwits, and Pajeet imports who are more like Jiffylube techs for the human body than any kind of engineer.

2. The system has made it so that when you are able to access any care at all, the odds are very high you will NOT be seeing that same person again, for better or for worse. Which means that every doctor comes at your history blind.

3. The system has shown itself to be profoundly corrupt and uncaring during the past 4 years with things like coldly mandating an untested, experimental treatment, and telling patients that they really ought to be left to die if they refuse it. People with GBS being denied medical exemptions...the list could go on for pages.

4. Before that people already knew that doctors were getting some kind of perverse incentive to always prescribe the trendy drug rather than look into any kind of alternatives. Vioxx, the low-grade slow-burning scandals around SSRIs and AAPs...the whole "bipolar kids" thing...

5. Opiates. First they were stupidly throwing them at the average normie by the case, for a twisted ankle. Now they treat you like a criminal if you beg for a shot of so much as Toradol during a kidney stone.

Hardly any wonder people feel distrust, and hardly any wonder the mentally less stable end up resorting to absurd measures accordingly.

*the damage done by FNPs and PMHNPs alone is catastrophic and overwhelming to describe. And that's who you will see when you roll up, desperate, to the urgent care with that cough that won't go away or the flank pain that feels like you're being Wiley Coyote'd by a piano.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

At this point I believe that anyone claiming to have hEDS, POTS, MCAS, and ME/CFS is a munchie. And I think a lot of doctors are beginning to believe that as well.

Which sucks because there *are* cases, just like there are cases of multiple personality disorder. But like all those diseases, they're likely much different than portrayed. Multiple personality disorder is a fucking RARE perfect storm, like probably single digit, early early double digits (under 30) in sufferers storm, where between being horrifically abused, having a developing mental illness, and likely a factor of just unfortunate pathways being connected while developing improperly, you get different "people". However, it seems much less having like 40 and more like just 2 or 3 *maybe*. Usually that split personality is supposedly what takes the abuse and handles the stresses. It's an extreme form of dissassociation from my understanding. What sucks is even some psychiatrists don't agree, because again, it's such a fad and so unbelievably rare that it most likely is being faked. But what about that single person?
I suppose good fucking luck I guess.
People that suffer actual painful disorders... god it must suck to be sick more than ever before. We have pain management, we have therapies, but who would believe you?
It's hard not to get jaded, which is extremely unfortunate for actual victims.

 

[Zemblan Physics]

*the damage done by FNPs and PMHNPs alone is catastrophic

Off-topic, but allowing non-doctors to prescribe drugs is insane. And what’s with Freedomland naturopaths and chiropractors and the like calling themselves doctors and no one bats an eye?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Off-topic, but allowing non-doctors to prescribe drugs is insane. And what’s with Freedomland naturopaths and chiropractors and the like calling themselves doctors and no one bats an eye?

It truly is insane. The "doctor extenders" were lobbied for heavily by insurance companies. Obviously it's win-win for them. These people get paid less and if they make some mistakes that just results in repeat customers having to come back to get the errors fixed. They are low IQ enough to be docile about being told what to do by management and not get too upset about how bad the impact is on patient care. A lot of them are far below the caliber of a bedside nurse, being welfare queens or girlbosses who studied online. But because they technically "outrank" the experienced nurses who might advocate for better care, they can shut them up too, and get a power trip out of doing so.

The alt med people are also an insane thing to have knocking around, but they are a direct result of everything else I just described. Sure they are very much capable of fucking you up worse. Way worse. But a lot of times they give nice talk and inert placebos which, after a bout of serotonin syndrome or another similar, common medical error, might feel safer in an irrational way. And they certainly will do their best to make you feel like you are being taken seriously- a huge deal especially for women, whose complex and hidden sex-specific body systems make them prone to mysterious ailments that get dismissed as "imagination" all too readily.

I still say, any industry that has participated enthusiastically in trans surgeries, "pediatric bipolar," mass Rxing of stims, mass Rxing of opiates and then an about face with no plan for bailing out pain patients, banning family from wards and leaving patients to suffer in isolation with warm rubber globes wrapped around their hands because a bad cold was going around, that told us that neonates couldn't feel pain and could have open heart surgery without anesthesia until OOPS maybe not!

-such a system has no right mocking anyone for feeling they have been "medically gaslighted."

The munchies? Behold your monster, Dr. Frankenstein. This is the work of your hands.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Off-topic, but allowing non-doctors to prescribe drugs is insane. And what’s with Freedomland naturopaths and chiropractors and the like calling themselves doctors and no one bats an eye?

You can have a doctorate in anything, it's a type of degree. A doctorate in art, for example. What naturopaths and the like can't do is say they're an MD, because that is specifically for medical stuff.
A chiropractor can do a fairly decent job in relieving pain if you find a pretty good one, even if it's just placebo, placebo can do a lot. The human brain is crazy. Usually the best ones are also ones that studied massage or a little bit of medicine so they know what will *actually* work.
Naturopaths are the result of people not trusting doctors anymore, and while I can't blame them, I agree it's rediculous to follow some of the shit they do and think they're reputable. However, many have roots in something.
Take snake oil, common phrase to call something a fake, right?
Well, in Mexico and some tribes, they soaked a certain type of venomous snake in oil/alcohol and it worked as a pain reliever. However, most natives didn't have specific names for snakes, and I don't know how well the average uneducated european knew snake names either. It was just "black/red/orange/striped snake" so they took whatever colored snake was suggested and ended up with something that didn't work in the best of times, or straight up killed in others. The more you know!

 

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

All of what you said is true but let's not forget the other side of the coin, which is that:

1. The average patient is not (at the outset at least) accessing doctors with either real or pretend "expertise," but a series of midlevels*, halfwits, and Pajeet imports who are more like Jiffylube techs for the human body than any kind of engineer.

2. The system has made it so that when you are able to access any care at all, the odds are very high you will NOT be seeing that same person again, for better or for worse. Which means that every doctor comes at your history blind.

3. The system has shown itself to be profoundly corrupt and uncaring during the past 4 years with things like coldly mandating an untested, experimental treatment, and telling patients that they really ought to be left to die if they refuse it. People with GBS being denied medical exemptions...the list could go on for pages.

4. Before that people already knew that doctors were getting some kind of perverse incentive to always prescribe the trendy drug rather than look into any kind of alternatives. Vioxx, the low-grade slow-burning scandals around SSRIs and AAPs...the whole "bipolar kids" thing...

5. Opiates. First they were stupidly throwing them at the average normie by the case, for a twisted ankle. Now they treat you like a criminal if you beg for a shot of so much as Toradol during a kidney stone.

Hardly any wonder people feel distrust, and hardly any wonder the mentally less stable end up resorting to absurd measures accordingly.

*the damage done by FNPs and PMHNPs alone is catastrophic and overwhelming to describe. And that's who you will see when you roll up, desperate, to the urgent care with that cough that won't go away or the flank pain that feels like you're being Wiley Coyote'd by a piano.

IDK that any of this is the other side of the coin. It's all more symptoms of the same goddamn problem. The American healthcare system is beyond fucked.

Midlevels are an absolute abomination. If you need a license to practice medicine - if you need to prove that you completed medical school, passed weeks' worth of standardized testing, and completed a residency where you worked 80+ hours/week for a bare ass minimum of 3 years straight - then why the FUCK does Brittani Knowsnothing get to do the same job with nothing more than an undergrad degree and a 2 year online "degree" where she didn't lay hands on a single patient? It's absolutely criminal how incompetent they are. But they're a little cheaper than hiring a trained physician, so what the hell? Staff every ER, urgent care, and primary care practice with nothing but fucking midlevels. What could possibly go wrong?

If we have any prayer of fixing the system, we gotta take perverse financial incentive out of it. That's how Big Pharma got the upper hand, how the opioid crisis came to be, how midlevels took over within the last decade. And it's not the doctors' fault. It's the administrators. The insurance companies. The middlemen. Trust me, no doctor wants to see nothing but new patients all day long. It's impossible. It's exhausting. You want to see patients you know, who you're familiar with, who you can help over the long term, because most medical problems are NOT a quick fix. Used to be that doctors overwhelmingly worked for themselves in private practice, so they could set the rules and the schedule. Not anymore! Now, most physicians are employed. That means the administrators set the schedule. They have control over who you see, when you see them, how long you have, what you can prescribe, what you can and can't do at an office visit, etc. The system controls everything.

But patients don't see the admins fucking around. They're behind the scenes. All they see is the doctor, who has no control over their own schedule, who tells the patient they're really sorry they can't address their 5 major problems during one 15 minute visit and that they'll have to make another appointment. Also, sorry that we can't even make that appointment today, because there aren't any openings in the next 3 months, so you'll have to call the appointment line daily until you can find something. And since everyone is doing this, and the appointment line is understaffed, you'll be on hold for an hour each time you call. Sorry. Oh and also I can't remove that bothersome cyst/lipoma/ingrown toenail, because we don't have the equipment at this clinic. I'll have to send a referral to the minor procedure clinic, which insurance will deny, and we'll have to appeal, and that will take a month, and THEN you can call the appointment line daily for an hour of hold music in hopes that in 3 more months, maybe we'll have an opening.

Maybe.

Of course, the munchies only exacerbate these problems by sucking up time and resources. Because we're all beholden to patient satisfaction scores, she who reeeeeees the loudest gets the most and the fastest care.

 

[Otterly]

Off-topic, but allowing non-doctors to prescribe drugs is insane. And what’s with Freedomland naturopaths and chiropractors and the like calling themselves doctors and no one bats an eye?

Not just America either - India has an Ayurvedic medicine doctor qualification , and a surprising number of them have ended up in the nhs as ‘real’ doctors (also a lot of them in the pharma apparatus for some bizarre reason, probably caste system hiring but anyway.) I was pretty shocked when I realised this because they’re supposed to check that qualifications can be mapped across to the uk system, but it is very obvious that this system doesn’t work at all well. I have no idea why, perhaps corruption, degree mills or outright lying, You end up with highly educated Ukrainian / American/ Taiwanese / French docs having to wait while they jump through hoops to prove their qualifications and language are good enough and then Indian Ayurvedic students gaming the system. It’s quite bizarre.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

This stigma against mental illness makes it really easy for these people to believe that they have 15 different chronic diseases

What stigma against mental illness? Half the posters on Twitter have diagnosed themselves with AuDHD, and kids on TikTok are convinced their headmates are totally real DID symptoms.

 

[SNU]

A chiropractor can do a fairly decent job in relieving pain if you find a pretty good one, even if it's just placebo, placebo can do a lot. The human brain is crazy.

placebo doesn't do anything. There's a common misconception that placebo is "I expect to get better so my body magically decides to heal itself". There is no improvement.

Placebo is just optimism. That's all it is. There is no healing. When you are in pain or sick it sucks. You know it sucks. If you aren't receiving any treatment you just think about how it sucks. So you tend to report that shits bad. If you think you're receiving treatment then you expect for things to get better. You develop a bias. So the pain can stay the same but you're gaslighted into thinking "maybe it is improving? Maybe the pain was worse before but now it's improved a bit". So prior to "treatment" you report things as being shit. After "treatment" you report things as improving because you expect things to improve. If you pretend to do a knee replacement on a guy and they think it was real they'll report that their knee is getting better. It's not. Imaging will still show their knee joint is all fucked. The cartilage is still fucked. The bone is still being chewed up. They just think "my knee hurts but I just had surgery so of course it hurts. Maybe it hurts less." Meanwhile they aren't actually being treated. Their knee is gonna get worse over time.

Eventually the placebo wears off. Even if they still believe the treatment was real. They'll come back and be like "the treatment isn't working anymore can we try something else". The optimism that things are improving wears off when things haven't actually improved after a while.

It's just a quirk of subjective self reported symptoms.

 

[Otterly]

Placebo is just optimism. That's all it is. There is no healing.

I got dragged into some interesting work on placebos a while back as a sideline for designing trials. It is a real effect, it’s not simply ‘feeling’ better. People’s actual measurable parameters can change. So things like pain perception you can explain with expectation but I’ve seen work done on motor function in Parkinson’s as well. Also IBS. You can certainly argue that mind influences such things via stress etc but then you start running into what the boundaries between mental effect and physical, when the truth is they’re linked. Depression studies are almost impossible to remove the placebo effect from, really you have to design it in to account for it rather than try to ignore it.
It even works when you tell people that they’re assigned to a placebo. There was a study where they literally said something like ‘this is a placebo, it’s a sugar pill with absolutely no positive effects whatsoever’ and they still improved.
That and the reversion to mean effect mean that IMO an awful lot of antidepressant studies are utter bunk.
This is quite an interesting paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23110189/

 

[melty]

And all of these diseases predominantly affect affluent, overachieving, mostly white women between 20 and 40.

It's the same thing as historical hysteria. Russia had its own equivalent for its women back in the day with different symptoms. It's basically white woman disease. Maybe other cultures have something like that but I've only really heard of it with white women.

 

[Otterly]

It's the same thing as historical hysteria. Russia had its own equivalent for its women back in the day with different symptoms. It's basically white woman disease. Maybe other cultures have something like that but I've only really heard of it with white women.

There’s a concept called a culture bound syndrome. Almost all of them are physical manifestations of mental illness or social pressures in a way that culture finds acceptable. It where we get the concept of running amok from

Culture-bound syndrome - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

One example is latah, in Malaysia. Almost exclusively affects women after shock. They display command obedience and behaviour like swearing and ranting. You can see it as a way of dealing with severe emotional disturbance in a culturally acceptable fashion (within a framework and to a limited time span .)
Hysteria is probably something similar.

 

[melty]

culture bound syndrome

I just wish we could be honest about it as a society. Then we could have healthier ways of dealing with them. But I suppose it's fitting for America that our way of dealing with these people is to extract as much money as possible from them while slowly killing them. A less enlightened and technologically advanced society might just have a local shaman hit them with a stick or someting. Savages.

 

[Otterly]

I just wish we could be honest about it as a society. Then we could have healthier ways of dealing with them. But I suppose it's fitting for America that our way of dealing with these people is to extract as much money as possible from them while slowly killing them. A less enlightened and technologically advanced society might just have a local shaman hit them with a stick or someting. Savages.

You’re absolutely right. With these girls, the root cause I think is a culture bound syndrome. The way we have social media for dopamine asspats is a huge reinforcement but at its heart it’s a somatic manifestation of mental anguish. On top of that you’ve got a lot of disordered personalities and asshole behaviour and addictive behaviour.
You see it with the failed ballerinas. The perfectionists. They cannot accept their failure, and it’s reinforced by society too failure isn’t allowed, metal illness isn’t allowed and weakness and tiredness isn’t allowed . Being physically sick IS allowed. And I get it, I really do. I get migraines and I’m sure they’re triggered by stress as much as flickering lights and screens
Maybe you’re a tired working mum, you get knocked down with a cold or a migraine and you can legitimately go to bed for a day. Maybe you’re a young woman terrified of failure and this lets you be dependent in a way the modern world frowns on. It excuses your failures.

. Our society doesn’t let us take enough time to recover from injury illness or shocks. We shove women back to work after a few weeks, we expect bereavement to be dealt with quietly. Gotta struggle back to the office with that flu not really better. But we need rest and recuperation. Many cultures have these time-limited ‘get outs’ for people and I genuinely do think they are outlets. Women have the emotional hysteria response and men quietly drink themselves to death or blow their brains out
Munchies have got stuck in the holding pattern because our society doesn’t have the outlet and so it doesn’t have a natural time ending to the behaviours. And it’s reinforced by medical billing and social media. From there it becomes a lifestyle. No shaman to hit them with a stick after their ten days of sympathy and attention is up.

 

[Zemblan Physics]

@Otterly Culture bound illness is one of those conditions where, once you’ve cracked the code, you can’t NOT see it. And the rest of the world that doesn’t see it seems insane.

Right now, it’s obviously Long Covid: same ol’ story (vague symptoms, mostly women, no biomarkers), yet MSM and some policy makers are all surprised Pikachu like it’s a completely new and serious illness. Drives me a little mad sometimes.

 

[Otterly]

Right now, it’s obviously Long Covid

I’ve seen a few high flying career women get it and each one I read I get this vague flicker of ‘yeah, I get it. It’s fucking exhausting is t it? I get why you want to stay in bed.’
Is it Germany where they have these rehab holidays for knackered mums? You get a couple of weeks in an old fashioned seaside or mountain resort. Brilliant idea.
Rest is so important and we dont get enough of it. Especially Americans with so little holiday, ritual is inportant too. We’ve lost most of that in society as well

 

[vegan cats]

lmao @ this spoiler tag when ~ half of the things you quoted were me asking a direct question hoping someone had an answer.

This was an awesome necro (if there even is such a thing in an omnibus thread) and confirmed nearly all of my weird gut feelings about how this is very bad for the horse and of no real benefit to the human.

Happy to help! Part of me wants to go munchie hunting for more service minis because this is such a weirdly fascinating rabbithole, but I also have very low MATI tolerance lol

What stigma against mental illness? Half the posters on Twitter have diagnosed themselves with AuDHD, and kids on TikTok are convinced their headmates are totally real DID symptoms.

No but you see those are the cute sympathetic mental illnesses. The kind you can use to justify shitty behavior and no one can say anything or it’s ableism, and also the kind you can turn into an aesthetic (like DID chicks and their rp character sheets I mean alters)

Munchies are probably well aware how society would view them if they came clean about the real reason they munch. People don’t take kindly to those who waste medical resources because everyone has had an experience in their life where they or a loved one had some illness/hospital related trauma and they know how bad the healthcare system is. It’s why no one calls them out on their bs (aside from not wanting to look like the asshole who boollied a poor sick girl) because normal people genuinely don’t even consider someone would fake all of this just for attention. All they see is a sad young woman who had her life robbed by chronic illness and is trying to make the best of it, in spite of having 50 ports a wheelchair neckbrace and weekly surgeries. Normal people don’t subject themselves to this just for instagram likes. Malingerers are a little different because there’s a financial incentive involved but even those slip through the cracks if you don’t claim to have cancer and instead something vague like the combo platter.

It’s why you also never see people admit they’re just BPD and instead larp autism or whatever, because they know what the average person would think. The only people I’ve ever seen who use BPD for their MBI grift are edgelords who would probably also publicly flaunt a NPD diagnosis because they think it makes them cool like an anime villain. Screw doing actual awareness campaigns and changing how society views things, that’s too much work!

 

[bliblblblbbllb]

I have a attached a few screenshots of people lying, over exaggerating or using a relative’s disability to skip lines.

I know there are friendlier types of Disney rides, but I feel like if you have a Panic Disorder so bad you cannot wait in a line, you're not fit to go onto an amusement park ride for the safety of others. At least that's the line I'd be saying if I were king. The ride attendants shutting the ride down to haul someone's ass off is a last resort, not a reasonable accommodation. If you have any reason to think you might not be able to make it- like there's a reasonable concern you're going to have a panic attack- you can't go on at all. That's a liability. Doubly so for anything related to passing out or falling.

Spoiler: bliblblb spots a run-of-the-mill munchie

I encountered a munchie in the wild. Through just a scroll through her social media, the story pieced together really put a bad taste in my mouth. She eloped with her highschool sweetheart, and then went from perfect health to "wheelchair user due to EDS" and all the associated common bullshit diagnoses within a year of marriage. Power wheelchair but also a cute canes, a manual wheelchair, a rollator suddenly. Feeding tubes, TPN, foley catheter. Giant walls of stuffed animals and fake nails. Makes her money as an "independent artist"- most of the art is just shilling "zebra" type memes. Worst part? Her husband is her caretaker.... but he seems to have an actual progressive disability.

A lot of her content is little shitty tiktok style clapbacks to people's relatively mundane comments about "is this really a good dynamic for your husband?" where she basically just TikTok-dances in response going "Uh sweaty how about you try to be more inclusive"

I may or may not be archiving shit as we speak, however the unfortunate reality is that this bitch's story is so incredibly generic in the munchie world that I do not think there is much risk of her being identified and DFEing due to what I've said. I am also not sure there is anything new it would actually add to the discussion because holy shit they're all like clones of one another. She also does not really post any long, entertaining rants. It's all just lipsyncing to Tiktok memes or little dances with two lines of text, or photo collages. I can't handle that much brainrot.

I feel really bad for her husband. It's my impression that he literally never dated anyone else, and she really, really, REALLY leans into the "In Sickness and in Health" line. She also posted passive-aggressive tiktoks going "I WILL NEVER HAVE CHILDREN! I would simply die from the stress due to my severe hEDS! My weak, childlike body could never withstand it!" And in general everything she made had strange, infantilized, "I want to be taken care of like a child forever and play with literal toys and sleep in a mountain of stuffed animals and never EVER work a real job" thoughts behind it. She looked totally normal when they married. Perfect health.

Imagine thinking you're going to have a wife, a partner in life- and literally within the first year of marriage she completely self-destructs, shaves her head and starts dressing like an insane person, starts larping that she can't walk and makes you take care of her like a baby, and rants online about how she's going to be sick forever and ever and you're going to take care of her until your own health goes to shit due to your [real] health problems. What the hell.

 

[Autistic Asparagus]

I can’t quote you for some reason.

But they aren’t talking about the gentle rides. They want to get on tower of terror or Tron or Everest. All the big ticket rides with longer lines. Honestly they should do what universal does and require medical documentation.