Near Death Experiences (NDE's)

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6172100/
https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/our-research/near-death-experiences-ndes/
https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/vie...98795353.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780198795353-e-46

Some very interesting findings about so-called "near death experiences". If we take these findings at face value, it would seem to imply that human consciousness somehow exists independently of the body, and that this consciousness continues to exist in some form after death. Perhaps some more medically inclined Kiwis would be willing to shed light on this phenomenon?
 
Everything in this article is and has been perfectly explained by science. When you die the lack of oxygen getting to your brain as well as the release of specific chemicals can cause hallucinations. This is real basic stuff for someone who isn’t retarded.
 
Its the same shit that has been more than adequately explained. There is no "out of body experience", your brain just releases chemicals in response to death that causes hallucinations.

Its little wonder that all NDE's always have something to do with the persons personal religious, spiritual, or just general greatly held beliefs when the brain is creating hallucinations based on the things in your memory/imagination most likely to stimulate a strong enough reaction in the body to try and keep itself alive. Its really not compelling or new, and hasn't been for decades.
 
hallucinations based on the things in your memory/imagination
Maybe the space alien jesus communicates in hallucinations. Like Jodie Foster in the movie Contact.
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Everything in this article is and has been perfectly explained by science. When you die the lack of oxygen getting to your brain as well as the release of specific chemicals can cause hallucinations. This is real basic stuff for someone who isn’t retarded.
Its the same shit that has been more than adequately explained. There is no "out of body experience", your brain just releases chemicals in response to death that causes hallucinations.

Its little wonder that all NDE's always have something to do with the persons personal religious, spiritual, or just general greatly held beliefs when the brain is creating hallucinations based on the things in your memory/imagination most likely to stimulate a strong enough reaction in the body to try and keep itself alive. Its really not compelling or new, and hasn't been for decades.
Conciousness exists independently of the brain.

There have been children with literally only FLUID in their skulls who still manage to operate. Regardless of whatever you believe in to write it off as simply chemicals is absurd, many academics don't even know themselves.
 
I almost died last week in my sleep.
Apparently I was making vocalizations (not words but sounds), moving (spasms), had my eyes open (but looking at nothing), but I wasn't really there. The last thing I had remembered was waking up to greet someone who had come home, and lying back down to sleep. The first thing I can remember after that is hearing screaming, feeling my torso tighten up, and having the world swim into vision from complete blackness. Realizing the screaming was coming from me and fighting for control to stop it. It really felt like I had to fight back whatever it was in me that was making me scream to regain control. Seeing the blurs around me turn into people, paramedics.
I'm still coping and sneeding trying to come to terms with it all so I'm sharing it here. I don't know where I went. I'm wondering if the conscious part of me was stuck asleep until I was resuscitated. It's horrifying to conceptualize that my conscious being vanished but that my body was still responding. Brain stem reactions.
Evidently I had severe hypoglycemia in my sleep, I started having seizures. I was saved by a loved one noticing me making strange noises from the next room. From discovery of me in my state to resuscitation took about 15-20 minutes. During that whole time I was gone, and potentially even for an hour or two prior to being found I could have been expressing symptoms without being cognizant of it. My body was there, but not me.
Without sugar in my blood, my conscious self was locked away in my brain with no way out. My personality, my self, is just sugar. The highs and the lows change me more than I realized. They determine not just how I am, but who I am.
I feel like I got rebooted, like a machine.
 
Perhaps some more medically inclined Kiwis would be willing to shed light on this phenomenon?
There’s a limit to what our current understanding can do with NDEs. I am not convinced it’s all explainable by chemicals - some of these patients have been hooked up to EEGs that show no activity at all. There’s also reports of surgeons having things like pictures on top of the cupboards, and patients ‘Seeing’ them, and I’ve read one where they were able to report what the staff were talking about in the corridor and next rooms where it was impossible to hear. They’re very interesting experiences.
When you die the lack of oxygen getting to your brain as well as the release of specific chemicals can cause hallucinations. This is real basic stuff for someone who isn’t retarded.
As above. I’m not convinced it’s all just random neurons firing.
I feel like I got rebooted, like a machine.
Ive had a couple of seizure like events and this is exactly how I felt afterwards - like one system at a time coming back online. Hearing, sight, ability to speak, ability to recognise shapes as ‘things’ etc. very weird. The brain and the mind are closely related but we still have absolutely no idea what consciousness actually IS. Maybe we never will - can the brain conceive of itself?
NDEs are fascinating.
 
I occasionally have mystical revelations but then when I try to write or speak them I realize that I'm too retarded to live up to the job.

I have a fascination with anesthesia ever since I was put under - not the full kind for body surgery, but the kind that knocks you out - for wisdom teeth removal. The way anesthesia works is that it prevents memory formation, so your body IS feeling everything and thinking, you just don't recall it.

What struck me was that when I sleep, I do feel time pass. I've tried to tell normalfaggots about this before and they don't seem to get it, they may be genuine NPCs that just zonk, but even when I don't remember my dreams I do recall a passage of time that stretches and squishes (in some parts of sleep time is sped up, in some it is slowed down) through the sleepy state. Yet, when I was put under, what happened was that in one instant I was in the chair and in the next instant I was elsewhere. It was as if I had teleported, completely qualitatively different from anything I had ever experienced and exhilirating.

For a time I took this as an understanding of death, because to me, I had for all purposes been dead - dead in the only sense that matters, dead as the cessation of experience - in that time. But eventually, I realized that was faulty logic, because I still woke from it. That's the problem of death, isn't it? How do you rationalize the complete cessation, permanent, of experience.

Well, one thought I took out of this was that, if the mind was operating and it was just the lack of memory that made it feel like nonexistence, then a comparison might be made to the difference between photographs and film. A photograph is a static moment, film is made from the passing of many photographs rapidly so as to create the illusion of movement. It is, however, an illusion. And the brain does have to have some kind of "resolution," some max speed at which signals can fire off, but I think it is fair to say that anesthesia demonstrates that if the flow is ever disrupted, the consciousness ceases. So consciousness is a flow, I know that.

Combined with some of my thoughts on philosophical zombies, I came to the conclusion, intuitive to me but unprovable, that all consciousness is an unending flow that branches outwards, like a river's delta, or a river watershed but in reverse. New consciousness stems off of old consciousness, I think as epiphenomena of reproduction (if new physical life is created, new consciousness is created at the same time. It could perhaps be possible for consciousness streams to merge or loop back on themselves, but I don't see a reason to assume that happens. And if it were traced back to a single source - if that's possible - then we might call that original, trunk consciousness God. I do have some conviction that people who are very close can become consciously linked. I also believe in the supernatural in that I believe the world has structure built into it that can be perceived and enjoyed but only if you don't look for it. We already know from quantum physics that literally observing - in a mental sense, not a physical sense - effects physical matter.

I am 100% a non-materialist as regards the nature of the mind. The mind is epiphenomena of physical matter, but it is not the same thing as the physical matter's activity. There's been enough research into Near Death Experiences to show that there are certain cultural universals that show up in most of them. Stories about "I died and went to Hell and met Satan and Hitler and then came back" are probably either bullshit or delusions. The usual story is some stuff about a white light, feeling of immense peace, hallucinations of relatives, that sort of thing. That too is epiphenomena of matter - there are scientific explanations of how a dying brain could generate that up - but I don't see that as disproving the reality of it.

Hell, the subjective feeling of time can stretch and squish, we all know that in the sense of time flying by when having fun or dragging on when bored, or in the research done into parts of sleep and how time moves faster or slower. Dreams that feel like hours, or hours flying by but feels like minutes when sleeping. Maybe THAT'S how death works. Literal clock time marches on, but for you it slows, and slows, and slows, approaching a limit, that you really can live forever in your dying dream because time can be made as arbitrarily slow as it needs to keep it going.
 
NDEs are interesting but there doesn't seem to be any distinction between mind and spirit. That is, the people experience all the same emotions they experience as a human. Furthermore, the NDEers on youtube all tend to be nice and articulate and they're quite contemplative of their experiences.

Honest question: How does Jaquanday fit into all of this? He has abandoned all his kids and baby mommas and he acts only for self gain. If a wave of boundless love was to consume him, he'd just be going "da fuq dis sheeeet, type shit, for real for real."

How do you resolve the mind-spirit entanglement?
 
I'm a Type-1 Diabetic, and during one very hot summer holiday, I had the lowest blood sugar I have ever had in my life. I, in fragments, barely remember making it down the stairs to grab a cup of coffee. Luckily, my dad was there to witness me having a loud, shaky seizure I have memory of, after dropping my drink all over the table.

I woke up, dazed, in the armchair, bleeding from the mouth, with a sugary taste in my mouth. My old man managed to rub some emergency sugar paste, called glucogel, on my gums. I think, at the time, I was around 12. I definitely think I would have severely injured myself to the point of being in the process of dying, or in a diabetic coma, if no one was around that day.
 
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